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Well like I wrote earlier, ol' Brownie managed to get at least a defensive victory of some type. For the tories not to really even come close to a full majority just speaks in favour of them not being really seen as a good option. And on the other had new labour took UK to two wars that didn't really work out.
So a tie, really. Now it's coin flipping time.
Like I said at the start, it's Alien vs Predator and I think the British public twigged that, I'm a bit disappointed at the low result for the Lib Dems, after all the shouting I've heard about people turning on to the Lib Dems (stop it Jim) it would seem that the old adage of saying you'll vote Lib Dem then voting Tory or Labour is still at large.
Still, like you say, it's time to flip the coin and see what King-maker Clegg decides, I guess it's quite amusing, he may have had the lowest of the votes of the three main parties, but at the moment he's the one with the most power :har:
British politics, you gotta love it :salute:
CaptainHaplo
05-07-10, 07:17 PM
They oughta do it like the old days - just have a duel.... winner gets power, loser buys the farm. At the least, it would give pause to all the career politicians who do it just for power without much risk......
They oughta do it like the old days - just have a duel.... winner gets power, loser buys the farm. At the least, it would give pause to all the career politicians who do it just for power without much risk......
I'd go for that, Deadeye Brown vs Flash Cam. :ping:
KL-alfman
05-08-10, 05:49 AM
I'm a bit disappointed at the low result for the Lib Dems
don't you think the low results for LibDems are direct consequences of the proposed "amnesty for illegal immigrants"?
Jimbuna
05-08-10, 06:06 AM
I voted Buna on my ballot.:D
http://www.xtraordinarypeople.com/media/images/news/full/victory.jpg
Jimbuna
05-08-10, 06:07 AM
don't you think the low results for LibDems are direct consequences of the proposed "amnesty for illegal immigrants"?
In a word 'YES' :yep:
I just being hearing on the radio the leaders debate did not have any impact on the voting when crunch day arrived, Nick Clegg made an error about saying he will double the number of seats, due the the outcome of the vote this could have just saved him from his party turning on him.
The bookies are giving good odds on David Milliband taking over the leadership of the Labour party.
don't you think the low results for LibDems are direct consequences of the proposed "amnesty for illegal immigrants"?
Yeah, I think you're probably right there. It's a very touchy issue and the Libs most likely put the wrong idea on the table there.
KL-alfman
05-08-10, 07:09 AM
Yeah, I think you're probably right there. It's a very touchy issue and the Libs most likely put the wrong idea on the table there.
yeah this!
it's a great sign for British politics and media that this sensitive matter was not exploited for populistic reasons!
(quite contrary to what happens in where I live).
The young peoples support for the liberals was good but the actual vote was a collapse of 18-25 year olds.
News just in....
The Con/Libs are to hold more talks tomorrow 11am.
DeerHunter UK
05-08-10, 08:29 AM
I think The Sun had a great front page this morning...
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Jimbuna
05-08-10, 08:50 AM
The bookies are giving good odds on David Milliband taking over the leadership of the Labour party.
If he becomes PM I just might start attending some of the local constituency meetings again....we have always enjoyed a strange but respectful relationship. :hmmm:
Jimbuna
05-08-10, 08:51 AM
News just in....
The Con/Libs are to hold more talks tomorrow 11am.
The burning question is.....who is the giver and who is the taker :hmmm:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/features/d/content/images/2010/05/07/cameron_clegg_inbed_626x260.jpg
XabbaRus
05-08-10, 08:52 AM
I just being hearing on the radio the leaders debate did not have any impact on the voting when crunch day arrived, Nick Clegg made an error about saying he will double the number of seats, due the the outcome of the vote this could have just saved him from his party turning on him.
The bookies are giving good odds on David Milliband taking over the leadership of the Labour party.
God I hope not. He is a weasel. He is the most useless foreign minister ever. He hasn't a clue. He has spent all his life since uni doing political research for the labour party before he became and MP. In other words nothing in the real world. At least the ones who have been lawyers and bankers worked outside the political system for a bit.
God I hope not. He is a weasel. He is the most useless foreign minister ever. He hasn't a clue. He has spent all his life since uni doing political research for the labour party before he became and MP. In other words nothing in the real world. At least the ones who have been lawyers and bankers worked outside the political system for a bit.
I agree.
Other possible runners his brother Ed Miliband and Mr Ed Balls...yes his surname is balls. ;)
Jimbuna
05-08-10, 09:49 AM
I agree.
Other possible runners his brother Ed Miliband and Mr Ed Balls...yes his surname is balls. ;)
Mine are this big actually.
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"Prime Minister Balls"?:o
How about a "Deputy Prime Minister Clegg"??:doh:
If only all those twats in Glasgow didn't keep on voting Labour!:damn: That's whats saved Labour this time - a kneejerk anti-Tory vote here north of the border!
Maggie Thatcher casts a very long shadow - look at all the Labour heartlands, every single one is a post industrial wasteland.
Greetings from what's turning into the "Peoples Republic of Scotland"!!:x
Mike.:wah:
Trouble is, whenever I hear the name Clegg I think:
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:hmmm:
XabbaRus
05-08-10, 05:26 PM
"Prime Minister Balls"?:o
How about a "Deputy Prime Minister Clegg"??:doh:
If only all those twats in Glasgow didn't keep on voting Labour!:damn: That's whats saved Labour this time - a kneejerk anti-Tory vote here north of the border!
Maggie Thatcher casts a very long shadow - look at all the Labour heartlands, every single one is a post industrial wasteland.
Greetings from what's turning into the "Peoples Republic of Scotland"!!:x
Mike.:wah:
Hi, I live in Inverurie. Shame the tories only retained their one seat. I take it you aren't a fan of the SNP.
OneToughHerring
05-08-10, 05:32 PM
"Prime Minister Balls"?:o
How about a "Deputy Prime Minister Clegg"??:doh:
If only all those twats in Glasgow didn't keep on voting Labour!:damn: That's whats saved Labour this time - a kneejerk anti-Tory vote here north of the border!
Maggie Thatcher casts a very long shadow - look at all the Labour heartlands, every single one is a post industrial wasteland.
Greetings from what's turning into the "Peoples Republic of Scotland"!!:x
Mike.:wah:
Yea well, Thatcher was once asked what achievement of hers she was most proud over. You know what she answered?
New Labour.
It's like, I don't have to point at Blair and Brown and call them fascists, ol' Maggie does that for me. :har:
Edit. Oh I'm sorry, the correct answer by Maggie was "New Labour and Tony Blair".
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/centreright/2008/04/making-history.html
But you know, Scottish nationalists are so quiet these days, wonder what happened to them? Snuffed off by the 'Thatcher-Scots'?
XabbaRus
05-09-10, 02:35 AM
Iyou lived in Scotland you wouldn't find the nationalists so quiet. Alex Salmond seems to pop up all over the place and saying how great things would be under independence. However he can never tell you how it will all be funded apart from oil revenues...
Anyway don't get me started on him and the SNP....
Hi, I live in Inverurie. Shame the tories only retained their one seat. I take it you aren't a fan of the SNP.
Not particularly.
The irony is, I don't like wasting my vote, which voting Conservative is up here.
So I did vote for the party most likely to get Frank Doran out of his seat!
I still wasted my vote as the bugger got back in!:damn:
Oh the joy!!!:doh:
BTW, my sister did meet Salmond once - she thought he was a "slimy little man who looks like Penfold from Danger Mouse"!
Mike.
One silly news story states David Milliband will be the PM on Monday and Labour marches on for another 5 great years.
OneToughHerring
05-09-10, 08:56 AM
Iyou lived in Scotland you wouldn't find the nationalists so quiet. Alex Salmond seems to pop up all over the place and saying how great things would be under independence. However he can never tell you how it will all be funded apart from oil revenues...
Anyway don't get me started on him and the SNP....
I always find it strange how really poor countries manage to get independence but European nations with infrastructures etc. already built seem to fall short on economic aspects. Or at least so the anti-independence folks seem to claim.
What I think these 'Unionists' and 'Loyalists' are saying is "Don't even try it...or else!" That's what the 'economy issue' against independence of many regions really boils down to. What happens when the English can no longer frighten the Scottish or the Irish etc. into subservience anymore? Or the Spanish with the Basques etc.
I always find it strange how really poor countries manage to get independence but European nations with infrastructures etc. already built seem to fall short on economic aspects. Or at least so the anti-independence folks seem to claim.
What I think these 'Unionists' and 'Loyalists' are saying is "Don't even try it...or else!" That's what the 'economy issue' against independence of many regions really boils down to. What happens when the English can no longer frighten the Scottish or the Irish etc. into subservience anymore? Or the Spanish with the Basques etc.
None of the constituent countries of the UK are subservient to the English! It's more like we tolerate each other like a bad head cold!:har:
Only Wales was conquered by England (Edward "Long Shanks" of Braveheart infamy!!), Scotland agreed to unite with England politically after the Darien fiasco, although there had been a union of the crowns when James the First (Sixth of Scotland) succeded Elizabeth the First. Ireland I'm not sure, but it was in 1801 and wasn't a conquest, more like a territory becoming a formal part of the UK. Not that many of the lower echelons of Irish society were happy about it.
Due to something called the "Barnett Formula", Scotland receives more funding per head of population than the rest of the UK. There are reasons for this, such as the cost of healthcare - there's less population spread over a much larger area than in England for example, so it costs more to deliver the same coverage.
In addition, due to the way devolution has worked, in many areas which Holyrood now has jurisdiction - policing, education, health etc, English MP's can't vote on them. However, as England itself doesn't have a devolved authority, anything similar has to go through Westminster, where Scottish MP's can vote on issues which affect England! Not sure about Wales and N. Ireland, but there must be a similar issue.
It's called the "West Lothian Question" after the constituency of Tam Dalyell, the MP who brought the issue up. However, Holyrood does not have tax raising powers - any money has to come from the Treasury in London via the "Barnett Formula" and Taxation.
So, naturally, there's a lot of English people who resent this, and quite rightly so.
The SNP's economic theory is far to woolly for me to be convinced that Scotland can go it alone, even as part of the EU. Salmond and Co. look to Eire as an example - but Ireland now has issues which make me even less convinced.
You mention Spain and the Basque country - even if Scotland does achieve independence, there's no gaurantee we'll get EU membership. Spain may well block it as it sets a precedent for the Basques!
Right, rant mode off!!
Mike.;)
OneToughHerring
05-09-10, 11:23 AM
Ok I get it MGR1, you're in the "...or else!" - crowd. Very wordy explanation, don't expect me to be befuddled by it though.
In and around Glasgow the average life span of men is equal to that of many developing nations. Why is this? I mean, if you get more money then the English then shouldn't you be able to organise some kind of proper health care for these people? Go sing "God save the Queen" in some Glasgow public houses and you might not make it out alive.
And whenever, say, the POTUS visits the UK, where does he go first? Glasgow? Edinburgh? ...Aberdeen?
No. He goes to London. That's where the 'crownheads' are. If that doesn't tell you who the real leader of the UK is, nothing will.
Ok I get it MGR1, you're in the "...or else!" - crowd. Very wordy explanation, don't expect me to be befuddled by it though.
In and around Glasgow the average life span of men is equal to that of many developing nations. Why is this? I mean, if you get more money then the English then shouldn't you be able to organise some kind of proper health care for these people? Go sing "God save the Queen" in some Glasgow public houses and you might not make it out alive.
And whenever, say, the POTUS visits the UK, where does he go first? Glasgow? Edinburgh? ...Aberdeen?
No. He goes to London. That's where the 'crownheads' are. If that doesn't tell you who the real leader of the UK is, nothing will.
No befuddlement intended - I was merely venting!:03:
You aren't going to get any argument from me on that last point - Scotland is merely a part of the UK. I actually pay more attention to what's happening in Westminster than Holyrood - I've always had a tendency to regard the latter as an oversized local council.
As for healthcare and Glasgow, well, that's not something explained easily - I imagine you yourself may have an idea as to why.
All I'll say is that the NHS isn't as efficient as it could be - my father has had to endure two years of the NHS trying to decide which drugs to give him to combat his arthritis and they still haven't decided yet! Going private is out of the question as he has no savings or spare cash available. I'm not in a position to help either, as much as I'd like to.
Mike.
MILLANDSON
05-09-10, 08:11 PM
Well, according to the news, Nick Clegg has given himself 24 hours to finish up any deal with the Conservatives before telling them to form a minority government.
As a Conservative, I'm really, really hoping for a Conservative/Lib Dem coalition government. It'll give us the strong majority government needed to run the country for the next couple of years, and it'll give us the best policies of both worlds, hopefully resulting in a strong progressive movement that'll remove so many of the restrictions put on civil liberties through 13 years of Labour.
I'm really, really hoping for some sort of electoral reform, probably Alternative Vote, and hoping that Brown is out of No. 10 by Tuesday.
Come on Lib Dems/Conservatives, SORT IT OUT! :yeah::rock:
Jimbuna
05-10-10, 08:32 AM
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I guess they've all forgotten about squatters rights.
By the time my final tax expenses claim is submitted I should be long gone.
Breaking News....
Gordon Brown 'stepping down as Labour leader'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8672859.stm
Breaking News....
Gordon Brown 'stepping down as Labour leader'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8672859.stm
About flaming time. Now, will it be enough to get the Libs on side? I suspect that it just might.
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You can hear them clapping in Finland...Right Dowly. :DL:rotfl2:
Jimbuna
05-10-10, 11:35 AM
The most sensible and honourable route to take IMHO.
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:haha::har::yeah::yeah:
Well put Dowly, bloody well put! :up:
The whole world is clapping to the news. :D
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Jimbuna
05-10-10, 12:04 PM
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Tchocky
05-10-10, 12:23 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/election_2010/8672859.stm
Seeya Gordo.
The Prince of Darkness is happy....
http://www.caledonian-comment.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/miliband.jpg
Clegg is not pulling Cameron's balls he's now twisting them on hearing the news. Cameron is in the s*** now, if the Libs swing to-wards Labour with the backing of the SNP, Greens and the rest Labour will have a majority of two seats.
Jimbuna
05-10-10, 01:12 PM
Clegg is not pulling Cameron's balls he's now twisting them on hearing the news. Cameron is in the s*** now, if the Libs swing to-wards Labour with the backing of the SNP, Greens and the rest Labour will have a majority of two seats.
Just imagine...another Labour PM that wasn't elected by the people :hmmm:
Just imagine...another Labour PM that wasn't elected by the people :hmmm:
Good point jim, but will the people stand up this time and say no we are not having it.
The Prince of Darkness is happy....
http://www.caledonian-comment.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/miliband.jpg
Yup, you can tell.... his hair is just all wrong.
Still... I had to laugh.
The british people vote in a general election... several days later, we still have no government. :yeah:
Apart from gordons 'lipservice' resignation, what's good about the current situation? If anything, what we've seen so far is the herald of things to come on every big policy decision until there's another election.
Shoulda' voted Procrastinator Party.
OneToughHerring
05-10-10, 01:53 PM
Brown's hands are still stained with blood that will never wash off. Just like Bush and Blair.
Jimbuna
05-10-10, 02:02 PM
Yup, you can tell.... his hair is just all wrong.
You know something, you've just reminded me of a question I put to him about a fortnight before the election....."Are you interested in throwing your hat in the ring if and when Brown resigns or retires"?
He never answered but his expression was something akin to a wry smile :DL
As much as it would be a feather in the cap of South Shields to have they're MP the PM, I honestly don't think he has the experience yet.
Come to think of it....did GB? :hmmm:
Just imagine...another Labour PM that wasn't elected by the people :hmmm:
Good point jim, but will the people stand up this time and say no we are not having it.
So you get someone who didn't front the party at the election, didn't stand up in front of the TV debates and may have questionable leadership skills. Sounds like a good choice to me. It worked with Gordo didn't it?:D
Can anyone see Clegg angling for Deputy leadership of the coalition with a view to improving his chances come next election? And that despite his party losing seats and performing well below the higher expectations set by his PR team and the media.
One wonders what the result would have been if there had been a preferential electoral system similar to the one in Australia where you number your candidates from 1st choice to last and the secondary and tertiary votes get counted when the primary votes are too close to call.
nikimcbee
05-11-10, 12:00 AM
So now that Gordy has more time on his hands, where will Gordy and Steed go on holiday?
http://experience.disneylandparis.co.uk/families-with-toddlers-and-kids/index.xhtml
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mkxdK8Te1QY/SYhYWCkT2rI/AAAAAAAAAM0/tvMOPeJgZUA/s400/Mugabe+Brown.gif
Gordy: Jebus Steed, not the purple nighty again
Steed: Man do I have a headache tonight.
Jimbuna
05-11-10, 07:34 AM
So now that Gordy has more time on his hands, where will Gordy and Steed go on holiday?
http://experience.disneylandparis.co.uk/families-with-toddlers-and-kids/index.xhtml
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mkxdK8Te1QY/SYhYWCkT2rI/AAAAAAAAAM0/tvMOPeJgZUA/s400/Mugabe+Brown.gif
Gordy: Jebus Steed, not the purple nighty again
Steed: Man do I have a headache tonight.
ROFLMAO :rotfl2:
Jimbuna
05-11-10, 07:39 AM
So you get someone who didn't front the party at the election, didn't stand up in front of the TV debates and may have questionable leadership skills. Sounds like a good choice to me. It worked with Gordo didn't it?:D
Can anyone see Clegg angling for Deputy leadership of the coalition with a view to improving his chances come next election? And that despite his party losing seats and performing well below the higher expectations set by his PR team and the media.
One wonders what the result would have been if there had been a preferential electoral system similar to the one in Australia where you number your candidates from 1st choice to last and the secondary and tertiary votes get counted when the primary votes are too close to call.
Clegg is starting to show his inexperience and damaging his own credibility now.
he has contacted Labour, who in turn know the only way a coalition will work is if they remove Cleggs biggest hanup, namely Brown and concede a referendum or something similar on political reform in the near future.
Cameron meanwhile has told Clegg to 'take it or leave it' (the Tory proposals, short of political reform).
Clegg now runs the risk of everything going belly up and getting screwed from both the big players.
DeerHunter UK
05-11-10, 08:15 AM
I think the worst thing Clegg has said last Friday was that the party which had the highest amount of votes\seats should govern. Although I believe he's correct, it's played straight into Cameron's hand. It made me wince when he came out and said it.
DearHunter UK is right, he chose his words poorly there, even if it was sticking by what he said in his campaign, it gave the Tories a further card in their deck.
If a Lib-Lab alliance does form, I would not be entirely surprised to see Cameron have a bash at forming a minority government.
I can't see any alliance between Lib-Lab or Lib-Tory lasting particularly long. Lib-Tory would fail because the Tories would blame the Libs for anything that went wrong, and Lib-Lab would fail for the same reason and in-fighting. However, it might just last long enough to push through the voting reforms before it all falls apart and a new election is needed.
Jimbuna
05-11-10, 09:19 AM
The tories play the first ace of the day....William Hague goes public and lets it be known the Tories will let the eloctorate decide on political reform by way of a referendum.
Undermones Browns 'shallow' words perhaps :hmmm:
Breaking News! Gordon Brown quits as PM as Lib-Dem deal falls apart
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23832558-david-cameron-its-decision-time-for-lib-dems.do
MILLANDSON
05-11-10, 10:37 AM
The BBC has reported that, during the continuing meeting between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives (been going on for 2 and a half hours now), lots of activity is going on in No. 10, and dozens of large hold-all bags are being moved from No. 10 to waiting government cars behind Downing Street.
So, either Brown is making a run for it with whatever isn't nailed down, or he's preparing to move out and he's just waiting to resign now.
In addition, Labour have stated that they "could never think of any circumstance in which the SNP would be invited into a coalition". Assuming that goes for Plaid Cymru and the Democratic Unionists as well, they would never be able to form a majority coalition, no matter what they did.
Not only that, but the BBC, The Guardian and the Telegraph has also said that negotiations apparently went bad between Labour and the Lib Dems yesterday and today, and they have essentially broken down. Both parties are just waiting for the right time to announce this.
So yea... whatever happens, Good 'Ol David should be Prime Minister within the next few days!
HUZZAH! HUZZAH!
MILLANDSON
05-11-10, 10:38 AM
Breaking News! Gordon Brown quits as PM as Lib-Dem deal falls apart
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23832558-david-cameron-its-decision-time-for-lib-dems.do
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/11/general-election-2010-live-blog
Go to 4.19pm. No. 10 has said that he hasn't resigned yet. He's going to be, it seems, but it's not actually happened yet.
Evening Standard spokes person on LBC Radio has said there information from several sources has been checked and Brown is out!
Talks between Labour and Liberals have broken down and Labour will not deal with the SNP.
DeerHunter UK
05-11-10, 10:51 AM
The tories play the first ace of the day....William Hague goes public and lets it be known the Tories will let the eloctorate decide on political reform by way of a referendum.
Undermones Browns 'shallow' words perhaps :hmmm:
Well if that's true Jim, then that's a huge step forward. I didn't think the tory hard liners would budge on anything to do with political reform.
Jimbuna
05-11-10, 11:00 AM
Well if that's true Jim, then that's a huge step forward. I didn't think the tory hard liners would budge on anything to do with political reform.
Go to 1:20 on the televised interview:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8673807.stm
Latest as of 16:55 Tory MP's to meet at 20:00 BST.
MILLANDSON
05-11-10, 11:02 AM
Evening Standard spokes person on LBC Radio has said there information from several sources has been checked and Brown is out!
Talks between Labour and Liberals have broken down and Labour will not deal with the SNP.
The BBC, from all their sources, say that it's likely he's going to resign as PM, but it still hasn't happened, and it's not sure when.
No offence, but I'm likely to believe the BBC over the Evening Standard ;):O:
Looks like the Tories are pretty much in.
Piss :damn:
Jimbuna
05-11-10, 11:08 AM
Looks like the Tories are pretty much in.
Piss :damn:
You and me both but lets be honest....we never had any realistic chance with Brown at the helm.
The BBC, from all their sources, say that it's likely he's going to resign as PM, but it still hasn't happened, and it's not sure when.
No offence, but I'm likely to believe the BBC over the Evening Standard ;):O:
All media is bias in this country. :rotfl2:
I don't care if Butcher Brown steps down tonight or tommorrow, I've be so glad to see the back of that a**hole.
You and me both but lets be honest....we never had any realistic chance with Brown at the helm.
Aye, I kinda hoped his resignation would save the day but it looks like it's all over.
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Reports from No.10 to the BBC
1721
Labour sources say they are preparing for the possibility (no more than that) that Gordon Brown could resign tonight if Nick Clegg informs him that there is no chance of an agreement between Labour and the Liberal Democrats, or that the Tory Lib Dem talks have been successful, says the BBC's political editor Nick Robinson.
Reports from No.10 to the BBC indicating its all over...BBC NEWS 24
Fat Lady is still singing:
1721: Labour sources say they are preparing for the possibility (no more than that) that Gordon Brown could resign tonight if Nick Clegg informs him that there is no chance of an agreement between Labour and the Liberal Democrats, or that the Tory Lib Dem talks have been successful, says the BBC's political editor Nick Robinson.
But she's running out of breath fast...
Don't forget Oberon Margret Thatcher was asked what was her greatest achievement, her answer was New Labour. ;)
:har: Aye, that's true. I guess it was pretty inevitable, but damn, I can see a lot of unhappy Lib Dems if they do make a deal with the Tories.
Reminds me of a book I saw in the local bookstore:
http://www.matthewhunt.com/blog/images/theendoftheparty.jpg
This is the problem, labour is more centre-left unlike old Labour who were firmly left wing. New Labour has made a pigs ear of this country.
How about the Greens run the country?
£8.10 p.h living wage gets my vote. :up:
This is the problem, labour is more centre-left unlike old Labour who were firmly left wing. New Labour has made a pigs ear of this country.
How about the Greens run the country?
£8.10 p.h living wage gets my vote. :up:
Heck, if the Lib Dems can't make up their mind, then I'm for it. :yeah:
Heck, if the Lib Dems can't make up their mind, then I'm for it. :yeah:
That would be a news bombshell...Greens take over No.10 :DL
Find by me...Get a better wage. :yeah:
That would be a news bombshell...Greens take over No.10 :DL
Find by me...Get a better wage. :yeah:
I think the BBC would just crash. :har:
I gotta admit, one of the best things out of New Labour (perhaps the only thing) was the Minimum Wage. I dread to think what my place would be paying me without it. :nope:
1803
Now that the possibility of a Lab-Lib deal appears to be dead, Labour's ruling executive say they want to start the process of getting a new party leader in place as soon as possible, reports the BBC's political correspondent Iain Watson.
Reports coming in Lb/Con deal now very close to conclusion.
Source BBC News.
I think, with hope, this will shack up this bunch at Westminster and stop them acting like jerks. The country is in a mess and that growing debt must be dealt with, yes we are all in for a rough time, all three chancellors at the chancellor debate confirmed that one.
1819: We understand Gordon Brown is currently in his office with his wife Sarah, Lord Mandelson, Ed Miliband, Ed Balls, Douglas Alexander, Alastair Campbell and his aide Sue Nye. He has spoken by phone to Tony Blair.
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00925/SNN1001A_380_925537a.jpg
"Tony? Tony? Please...I'm sorry...I'm so sorry...come back please Tony...Tony? Hello?"
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44845000/jpg/_44845286_blair_laughing466.jpg
Politics does strange things to the personal appearance of MPs...
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/8779/spyt.jpg
MILLANDSON
05-11-10, 01:04 PM
Looks like the Tories are pretty much in.
Piss :damn:
Unlucky. Better luck in 10-15 years time ;):yeah:
Roll on the progressive coalition! Alternative Vote and the return of the civil liberties Labour took away! Huzzah!
After a few drinks..
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00925/SNN1001A_380_925537a.jpg
"Tony? You b*****d you, this is your mess you a***hole, you ***** it up and left me in the s***. You just wait until I get my hands you, your a ******g dead man."
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44845000/jpg/_44845286_blair_laughing466.jpg
Tony puts the phone down..."Gordon's on the p*** again or is he taking the p***, good old Gordon always good for a laugh." "Hi how are you....
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Unlucky. Better luck in 10-15 years time ;):yeah:
Roll on the progressive coalition! Alternative Vote and the return of the civil liberties Labour took away! Huzzah!
:salute: Let's just hope the progressive is progressive and not stationary. If that is the case, then roll it on I say.
Well thats a rap...Gordon Brown is stepping down.
BBC NEWS
http://www.beppegrillo.it/immagini/game_over.jpg
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/images/various29/various29_080303a-l.jpg
http://www.nationalreview.com/images/DavidCameronatCommons.JPG
MILLANDSON
05-11-10, 01:35 PM
Well, given what the papers (especially the Guardian) are saying, the Lib Dems are surprised at how flexible the Conservatives have been. One Lib Dem MP said:
I can't believe how much they've offered us. The Tories have basically rubbed out their manifesto and inserted ours. We'll have to cope for four or five years with our flesh creeping, but still.
With all the left wing policies removed by the Lib Dems, and all the right wing ones removed by the Conservatives, we'll have a true centre government, which can only be a good thing!
Well, given what the papers (especially the Guardian) are saying, the Lib Dems are surprised at how flexible the Conservatives have been. One Lib Dem MP said:
With all the left wing policies removed by the Lib Dems, and all the right wing ones removed by the Conservatives, we'll have a true centre government, which can only be a good thing!
If it truly pans out that way, then I will be very happy, however politics and the scandals around it over the past two decades have left me somewhat jaded and distrustful of politicians in general. :hmmm:
It will be testing times for the Con/Lib and how long it will last? No idea, for us the common folk stand by for hell, the time has come to get down and sort this ticking time bomb of a mess out.
http://www.debtbombshell.com/
BBC NEWS...
Gordon Brown is likely to step down as an MP as well.
EDIT...
Confirmed...Gordon Brown will force a by-election in his former seat.
STEED THE BOOKIE IS GIVING 100% ON LABOUR WINNING THE SEAT.
Lord_magerius
05-11-10, 02:27 PM
Looks like it's pretty much settled now then :damn:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8675265.stm
Well that's a rap, this thread is done and dusted, see you all in 4 to 5 years if not early. :DL
Jimbuna
05-11-10, 02:47 PM
Much to the credit of the Labour ministers and backbenchers it is said that they forced the termination of talks with the Lib Dems on the grounds that the outcome would be perceived by the British public as being undemocratic.
Coming soon...A new thread.
Government watch...we are watching you. :DL
Well, the plus side is I cannot wait to see what Armando Inanucci comes up with for the new series of 'The Thick of It.' I bet he wasn't expecting a coalition.
Jimbuna
05-11-10, 03:20 PM
Gordon Brown once again was caught out by leaving his mic on. He was heard saying "HAHAHA, try and fix that you bastids" as he left number 10 for the last time.
Gordon Brown once again was caught out by leaving his mic on. He was heard saying "HAHAHA, try and fix that you bastids" as he left number 10 for the last time.
What!
Your telling me this was Labour's mess!
I have always believed it was the Tories doing....
STEED throws away his rose tinted glasses.
:rotfl2::rotfl2:
OneToughHerring
05-11-10, 03:40 PM
Camelot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfGpVcdqeS0)it is then. :)
Jimbuna
05-11-10, 03:48 PM
What!
Your telling me this was Labour's mess!
I have always believed it was the Tories doing....
STEED throws away his rose tinted glasses.
:rotfl2::rotfl2:
LOL :DL
Actually, what he really said was..."Lets hope David cleans up the sh!t this countries in like the sh!t I've left in his house". :DL
OneToughHerring
05-11-10, 05:48 PM
Was reading Cameron's wiki-page, didn't know he had a son with a birth defect who subsequently died, tragic.
But the thing that amazes me is Cameron's past drug use (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Cameron#Allegations_of_recreational_drug_use ). I mean, he basically admitted to having used both cannabis and cocaine. He's a bit of a snorter, that David. I haven't even used weed, boy do I feel square. :)
MILLANDSON
05-11-10, 06:59 PM
And the Lib Dems have agreed to the deal, meaning the Coalition is born!
No MPs/Peers (the guys who make up the Parliamentary Party) voted against the coalition, and only one member of the Federal Executive (made of 36 people, including activists, party members, etc) voted against it!
Here's to the Progressive Coalition! Well done Cameron, Clegg, I'm proud of you!
Jimbuna
05-11-10, 07:09 PM
And the Lib Dems have agreed to the deal, meaning the Coalition is born!
No MPs/Peers (the guys who make up the Parliamentary Party) voted against the coalition, and only one member of the Federal Executive (made of 36 people, including activists, party members, etc) voted against it!
Here's to the Progressive Coalition! Well done Cameron, Clegg, I'm proud of you!
(Perhaps this will only be understood by the Brits)
Will today be known as National Cheese or National Sleeze day?
Out goes Gord and Zola and in comes a Liberal helping of Blue!
Platapus
05-11-10, 07:25 PM
Looks like it's pretty much settled now then :damn:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8675265.stm
I hope he works out well for the UK. Good luck with this.
Well Clegg got what he wanted a chance to share power with teh big boys. Will be interesting to see how long the coalition lasts and how quickly the referendum for electoral reform is put forward.
Any preferences on models for the UKers?
SteamWake
05-11-10, 10:33 PM
I hope he works out well for the UK. Good luck with this.
Ditto !
Good luck ... to us all !
Jimbuna
05-12-10, 05:04 AM
I hope he works out well for the UK. Good luck with this.
We may yet need it.
Well Clegg got what he wanted a chance to share power with teh big boys. Will be interesting to see how long the coalition lasts and how quickly the referendum for electoral reform is put forward.
Any preferences on models for the UKers?
PR in its broadest form will never work because you will be almost guaranteed a hung Parliament every time.
Is it right that the smallest of the three major parties should more or less have the deciding vote on which of the other two come into power?
Definitely not.
The fact remains, some other countries have managed a way around this obstacle and I believe Australia is one of them....something about third and fourth alternative choices?
I'd appreciate you explaining your system down under.
We may yet need it.
PR in its broadest form will never work because you will be almost guaranteed a hung Parliament every time.
Is it right that the smallest of the three major parties should more or less have the deciding vote on which of the other two come into power?
Definitely not.
The fact remains, some other countries have managed a way around this obstacle and I believe Australia is one of them....something about third and fourth alternative choices?
I'd appreciate you explaining your system down under.
We run two houses of Parliment (House of Representatives and the Senate), and the electoral systems are different for each house.
This give a fairly full explanation including the systems for the State governments. http://www.dfat.gov.au/facts/electoral_system.html
Put simply we have a preferential system which means you number your votes depending on your preferences for each of the candidates. therefore if there are 5 candidates standing in your local seat, you number your votes in order of preference from 1 being your first choice to 5 being your last coice. For the House of Reps we use a "full preferential" voting system:
Under ‘full’ preferential voting each candidate must be given a preference by the voter. First, all the number ‘1’ votes are counted for each candidate. If a candidate gets more than 50 per cent (an absolute majority, 50 per cent plus one) of the formal first preference votes, the candidate is immediately elected. If no candidate has an absolute majority, the candidate with the fewest votes is excluded. These votes are then transferred to the other candidates according to the second preferences shown by voters on the ballot papers. If still no candidate has an absolute majority, again the remaining candidate with the fewest votes is excluded and these votes are transferred. This process will continue until one candidate has more than half the total votes cast and is declared elected.
This means in the main hung parliments are very difficult to come by unless the number of seats is too close to call but even this gets sorted out usually by the preferential system.
In the Senate you can either vote for every bugger on the ticket, which is across Australian not local seats, or vote for the party of your choice. Read the stuff on the link as it is the house of reps which determines the government and prime ministership.
We also have compulsory voting because we are slack buggers who largely couldn't give a rats clacker for who is in government as long as the price of beer doesn't go up to much. :D We always vote on a Saturday and I don't recall a situation where people have been still waiting to vote at close of play.
Jimbuna
05-12-10, 06:55 AM
That looks interesting and may well be something the politicians here might want to consider.....oh if politics were only that simple :DL
Jimbuna
05-12-10, 10:02 AM
We are no longer under the watchful Eye of our chosen Government.
Instead we have two! (eyes that is) :03:
OneToughHerring
05-12-10, 10:05 AM
Nick Clegg reminds me a bit of Darling from the Black Adder - tv series. :haha:
http://melchettmike.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/darling8.jpg
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/1/11/1263242368005/Nick-Clegg-at-Westminster-001.jpg
MILLANDSON
05-12-10, 10:50 AM
It's the Alternative Vote system that is going to be the one put to a referendum for the House of Commons. It's basically just like First Past The Post, but a little more representative and at least means that each candidate has to get over 50% of the vote to win the seat, which is good.
At the moment, there is potentially going to be full scale reform of the House of Lords, with either part of the HoL, or all of it, being elected by full proportional representation.
Jimbuna
05-12-10, 03:13 PM
Where the hell is STEED?
Hope he hasn't emigrated already :hmmm:
frau kaleun
05-12-10, 07:57 PM
Well that's a rap, this thread is done and dusted, see you all in 4 to 5 years if not early. :DL
Does this mean we won't get a season of Gordon Ramsay's Parliament Nightmares? Cuz I was kinda hoping for that.
Jimbuna
05-13-10, 05:59 AM
Unbelievable!
The Tories in power for less than half a week and already a Scottish family is unemployed and homeless!
Unbelievable!
The Tories in power for less than half a week and already a Scottish family is unemployed and homeless!
LMAO:har:
Jimbuna
05-13-10, 08:39 AM
America thought they were being clever with the first black president.
Well we've outdone them with the first gay couple
MILLANDSON
05-13-10, 01:26 PM
America thought they were being clever with the first black president.
Well we've outdone them with the first gay couple
I'm going to assume that that's not a dig at gay people...
Otherwise... what's wrong with Clegg and Cameron being friends? Better than Brown shouting at and insulting his colleagues and staff.
Jimbuna
05-13-10, 04:50 PM
I'm going to assume that that's not a dig at gay people...
Otherwise... what's wrong with Clegg and Cameron being friends? Better than Brown shouting at and insulting his colleagues and staff.
You can presume what you want but I would suggest you look at #352 and 357 for a clue as to the context the post was intended.
Bilge_Rat
05-13-10, 05:15 PM
I personally think the Lib-Dems are going to regret formally joining a coalition. They will have little say over government decisions, will not be able to openly criticize governrment policies, but will be blamed by voters next election for being part of the government.
In Canada, where minority parliaments are more common, one party forms the government and they obtain the support of another supporting party, usually by agreeing to modify or enact certain laws that the supporting party wants. This allows the supporting party to criticize the government to its heart content in Parliament, crow about its accomplishment in obtaining favourable legislation to its supporters and run aganst the sitting government next election.:arrgh!:
Jimbuna
05-13-10, 05:51 PM
I personally think the Lib-Dems are going to regret formally joining a coalition. They will have little say over government decisions, will not be able to openly criticize governrment policies, but will be blamed by voters next election for being part of the government.
In Canada, where minority parliaments are more common, one party forms the government and they obtain the support of another supporting party, usually by agreeing to modify or enact certain laws that the supporting party wants. This allows the supporting party to criticize the government to its heart content in Parliament, crow about its accomplishment in obtaining favourable legislation to its supporters and run aganst the sitting government next election.:arrgh!:
I know what you mean and agree but coalitions aren't all that common in British politics.
I think it will be interesting to see how this present relationship pans out.
Australia has had one of the longest running coalitions with the Liberal Party and the National Party (nee Country Party), being together as a coalition for nearly 50 years at a Federal level and since about 1932 in South Australia at the State level.
The two parties both have quite centre-right agenda's and are mostly aligned on matters of policy. I think if the coalition members are like minded, then it can work. The difficulty I see in the current situation in Britain is that the two parties have little common ground in terms of policy and their membership have quite different agenda's.
Can Cameron and Clegg hold it together for longer than it takes to get through the serious agenda of politcal and economic reform that is needed?
Who can tell? Me, I'm betting they don't make it beyond the first 12 months without some serious changes in agenda on both sides.
Jimbuna
05-14-10, 04:33 AM
Australia has had one of the longest running coalitions with the Liberal Party and the National Party (nee Country Party), being together as a coalition for nearly 50 years at a Federal level and since about 1932 in South Australia at the State level.
The two parties both have quite centre-right agenda's and are mostly aligned on matters of policy. I think if the coalition members are like minded, then it can work. The difficulty I see in the current situation in Britain is that the two parties have little common ground in terms of policy and their membership have quite different agenda's.
Can Cameron and Clegg hold it together for longer than it takes to get through the serious agenda of politcal and economic reform that is needed?
Who can tell? Me, I'm betting they don't make it beyond the first 12 months without some serious changes in agenda on both sides.
You've just hit the nail bang on the head......it has been reported both parties senior members were against the coalition idea and it only got through after much pushing and negotiation by both leaders.
So maybe we should run a pool on how long the coalition will survive?
How long til the next scheduled election? 3 or 4 years?
caspofungin
05-14-10, 07:54 AM
5 years -- but only because they're trying to make it so that parliament needs a 55% majority to call for dissolution of govt and an election. so much for democracy
Jimbuna
05-14-10, 08:19 AM
So maybe we should run a pool on how long the coalition will survive?
How long til the next scheduled election? 3 or 4 years?
The normal term is up to a maximum of 5 years....I'll be suprised if the present coalition lasts 2 years max and probaly only 12 months.
Just wait till the harsh measures need to stabilise the economy start taking effect.
I'm not going to read anything in to that two Ronnie's press conference apart from a good laugh. I like the idea of a fixed term Parliament it will force the party in office not to go by what the polls say and get off there backsides and go out to prove we should vote them back in.
As for what we have now in the form of the Con/Lib government well time will tell, must admit interesting times ahead. I would like to see to an end of FPTP as this will force the big three to get out there and work there backsides off.
Jimbuna
05-14-10, 10:02 AM
During the recent election campaining trails we had Gordon Brown visit the Asda store where I work.
I pointed out to him a loaf of bread on the counter that had his name on it.
Imagine my surprise when Lord Mandelson pointed out that it in fact said Thick Cut on the bread.
My mistake.
^^
:har: :rotfl2:very good, very good.
Jimbuna
05-15-10, 09:41 AM
Politicians are like nappies. They need changing regularly. And for the same reason.
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Knock knock ......
Who's there ? ......
David ......
David Who ? ......
Gordon open the ******* door and get out of my house.
Snestorm
05-15-10, 07:21 PM
What is the outlook now on the immigration issue in UK?
Jimbuna
05-15-10, 07:28 PM
What is the outlook now on the immigration issue in UK?
If the Lib Dems get their way...BLEAK!
Snestorm
05-15-10, 09:15 PM
If the Lib Dems get their way...BLEAK!
Let's hope that they don't get their way, as the time in England appears to be 23.57.
Jimbuna
05-16-10, 06:43 AM
Let's hope that they don't get their way, as the time in England appears to be 23.57.
I'm sorry but I don't understand :hmmm:
Its the 24 hour clock jim like all of earth's history in 24 hours we the human raced popped up about 23:57 or the end of the world clock which is now 23:58 last time I checked.
Jimbuna
05-16-10, 09:21 AM
Ah....right, I was looking at posting times :doh:
Jimbuna
05-17-10, 07:14 AM
This Tory government is much like a rainbow.
It looks good from a distance, but on close inspection it has no real substance, you can see right through it and it's only there because of the sun.
Bilge_Rat
05-17-10, 04:29 PM
totally unrelated, but did you know the new Prime Minister David Cameron is a direct descendant of King William IV (1830-37)?
One of many produced by his mistresses. Unfortunately, he did not produce any legitimate heirs with his wife, which is why the crown went to Queen Victoria on his death.
I hope he is not planning to declare himself King David...:arrgh!:
Jimbuna
05-17-10, 05:15 PM
totally unrelated, but did you know the new Prime Minister David Cameron is a direct descendant of King William IV (1830-37)?
One of many produced by his mistresses. Unfortunately, he did not produce any legitimate heirs with his wife, which is why the crown went to Queen Victoria on his death.
I hope he is not planning to declare himself King David...:arrgh!:
LOL...wouldn't suprise me if he did :DL
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