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pythos

03-29-10, 01:41 PM

Sailor Steve

03-29-10, 01:42 PM

Good to hear. Amid all the complaints it's good to know something is right with the SH world.

SabreHawk

03-29-10, 01:49 PM

I just did a walk through of the boat, with reference to The type VII anatomy of a ship opened up.

Wow. This work is fantastic, they left very little detail out of this wonderful reproduction.

If you have a decent schematic of one of these boats, you really should compare what is visible in the game to what is on the document.

It is astonishing.

Yes indeed, and I have this same book. I have said elsewhere that they did a very fine job of reproducing the Type VII.
And my hat's off to the 3D modelers and artist's that did this work, they did their research and the work was im sure painstaking.

alexradu89

03-29-10, 01:53 PM

SabreHawk

03-29-10, 02:24 PM

Well the book we speak of can be found at Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Type-VII-U-Boat-Anatomy-Ship/dp/1591148863

It's cover looks a little different from mine but is the same book.
Here is mine.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b370/SabreHawk1/Uboatbook001.jpg

And it has many drawings and pictures, like this one and it also has a 1/150 foldout plan. And drwaings of not just the ship, but of it's armament, and interiors.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b370/SabreHawk1/Uboatbook002.jpg

kylania

03-29-10, 02:29 PM

I have that book, it's nice!

alexradu89

03-29-10, 02:42 PM

Well can you tell us what has been left out ? I know they didn't introduce the captain's wardrobe, the table where officers ate isn't there either if I'm not mistaken, nor is the toilet

Jimbuna

03-29-10, 02:49 PM

Well the book we speak of can be found at Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Type-VII-U-Boat-Anatomy-Ship/dp/1591148863

And it has many drawings and pictures, like this one and it also has a 1/150 foldout plan. And drwaings of not just the ship, but of it's armament, and interiors.

I've the one above but don't recall it having a foldout plan :o

Looks like a trip up into the loft at the weekend :hmmm:

Bilge_Rat

03-29-10, 02:52 PM

yes, the interior is very well done. I do not have those books, but comparing the interior with the photos of U-995 available on the net, it looks like a pretty close match.

SabreHawk

03-29-10, 03:07 PM

Uhhhhm yes the ward room is the one thing that is not in the SH5 ship.
Sure I'd like to have had that in there, but of course it would serve no purpose other than novelty.
But yes what a nice novelty it would be, but the fat lady hasn't sung yet as far as I can see, and given how long it's taking for the next patch to come along im predicting it'll make a lot of folks happy they bought SH5.

And even if the patch(s) dont produce it all, the mods will.

I will say this though of the area where the ward room would be, is currently unoccupied by anyone sleeping there. It's just a couple of empty bunks, and the wood paneled structure on both sides of them is there, if that says anything.

Hmmm ok I just noticed the one I poasted a link to at Amazon doesn't say anything about a foldout plan, so I noticed there were other formats availble from other sellers listed there., and my version appears. But I dont remember paying that much for my book.
http://www.amazon.com/Type-VII-U-boat-Anatomy-Ship/dp/0851779336/ref=tmm_hrd_title_1

horsa

03-29-10, 03:14 PM

Yes, hats off :rock:

I seem to remember several lengthy threads on SH3 saying how this was a 'must have' feature that would be so immersive. Now its here and its good to see it getting some credit.

OK Hand up. How many thought that if the devs did implement it, it would not have been as well implemented as this. :up:

Buddahaid

03-29-10, 03:31 PM

I just did a walk through of the boat, with reference to The type VII anatomy of a ship opened up.

Wow. This work is fantastic, they left very little detail out of this wonderful reproduction.

If you have a decent schematic of one of these boats, you really should compare what is visible in the game to what is on the document.

It is astonishing.

I think that is key point in what Ubi delivered. All the effort directed at the sub model and environment leaving the rest open for modding to hone. They did say it was modder friendly. :D

longam

03-29-10, 03:43 PM

I find myself spending more time down the hatch then before. They did fine job giving us the environment needed.

alexradu89

03-29-10, 03:44 PM

A ward room with the u-boat shaking sideways somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic ?!:o GIMME !!!:arrgh!:

pythos

03-29-10, 04:18 PM

For those asking about the captain's wardroom.

THIS IS NOT A FLEET BOAT.

Fleet boats had amenities U-boats simply did not have the room for.

Both doors for the toilets are modeled, there is one aft and to the left of the torpedo room bulkhead (just like the real thing, and the one in Das Boot), and there is one in the Galley (which is most likely why it was used to store provisions). The door is there, it is lower than the one behind the torpedo room. It is the one that when facing aft, is to the left and closest to the petty officer's bunk room wall. It is the only door that has a small window.

The toilets do not need to be modeled. LOL

Now, there is a captain's "cabin" which is just a curtained off bunk with a desk and cabinet.

The Officer's "mess" is also there, but modeled in the stowed position. It is forward of the captain's bunk. YOu can see the folded table.

I would really like for modders to get our boat to pitch and roll a lot more, the current incarnation is too docile in heavy storms. :)

another item of detail, anyone notice the auxillary steering station in the back of the motor room complete with rudder position indicator? NICE!!

mcarlsonus

03-29-10, 04:29 PM

I want the modders to make it pitch and roll so much, Dieter gets tossed overboard...

mean-minded little goober that he is

SabreHawk

03-29-10, 04:33 PM

Actually in my mind, it'd probably have taken at least another 6 months to a year to make it what we all would have wanted and have complained about.
And had the devs been granted that time,(and money) and the game were still not yet released, what do ya think we'd all be yellin about?

Yep you geussed it.:shifty:

Jimbuna

03-29-10, 04:50 PM

I want the modders to make it pitch and roll so much, Dieter gets tossed overboard...

mean-minded little goober that he is

Oh you meanie :DL

Bilge_Rat

03-29-10, 05:20 PM

The Officer's "mess" is also there, but modeled in the stowed position. It is forward of the captain's bunk. YOu can see the folded table.

missed that point will check.

Sailor Steve

03-29-10, 05:21 PM

Yep. Only the upper bunk shouldn't be there.

demonsss

03-29-10, 05:26 PM

I dont have the book,.... But then again I have no Radio or Gramaphone in my Sub!! Better off getting a book next time...:yeah:

jdbecka

03-29-10, 05:32 PM

I am not a hard core sub fan, I mostly play flight sims but the BOB/ ETO is of big interest to me so I decided to buy this, and because of its great graphics. I had played Silent Hunter before but for not very long and it was in the pacific and that was years ago...o and watched my dad play silent service 2 :)

But I do really enjoy the game, I like walking around the Sub, maybe because I never played the previous ones as much as you guys so I do not miss the features they had..so far the things in the game are very enjoable and for some reason I like walking from the top of the conning tower into the command room to dive after spotting a convoy to attack :D

edit

one thing I can not work out, is how to set the depth I want to dive to?

demonsss

03-29-10, 05:39 PM

If you have not modded the interface to the old stlye SH4 then press ctrl and the display will change to advanced.... press f1 to get key presses.... or better still mod the keymapper..

SabreHawk

03-29-10, 05:49 PM

Yes the area where the wardroom is there, we just have to figure how to yank out that upper bunk.:O:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b370/SabreHawk1/SH5Img2010-03-28_130812.jpg

Jimbuna

03-29-10, 09:27 PM

Yes the area where the wardroom is there, we just have to figure how to yank out that upper bunk.:O:

And leave someone without a place to sleep? :DL

SabreHawk

03-29-10, 11:13 PM

Well no one's used it since we started this damn war, might as well have a place to sit and eat in peace. Well till the next watch goes on duty.:03:

But this has got me wondering about this the only bunks totally not in use.:hmmm:

looney

03-30-10, 12:46 AM

I've heard there where only 26 people on board, that's about half of a full complement. Thus they wouldn't miss 1 bunk :)

msxyz

03-30-10, 01:35 AM

Did they now ?:o So what's missing from the real u-boat ? or better yet can you share the schematics with us ? (if it's a virtual document) I can't find any VII A blueprints...nvm found them around here somewhere

Judging from the books and photografic material I have seen over the years, I also think they did a quite accurate reproduction of a type VIIC interior. Early types VIIA/B were somehow different in terms of machinery used although the general layout remains the same.

Too bad only one type VII still remains in existence today, and it's a late war type VIIc/41. Some years ago, there were some talks to rise all the boats scuttled at the end of the war in operation Deadlight. There's a certain hunger of steel and lead which is not "poisoned" by the radiation released from nuclear experiments from 1945 onwards. Metals fused before that day and preserved underwater are free of these nuclear pollutants and hence have a very high value for building scientific equipment to the point it would cover the expense of raising a wreck from the bottom of the sea.

Although it's scary to think all those boats being cut into pieces, at least it would be a good occasion for a documented study on several other germans submarines of the era of whom only a few blueprints survive.

Kptlt_Lynch

03-30-10, 09:34 PM

Anyone notice the spare torps under the decking in the forward torpedo room?

pythos

03-30-10, 09:55 PM

Yep, I saw those my first time walking through after getting my comp up to where I could walk through. I saw those and was like "oh wow that is cool"

dberladyn

03-30-10, 10:03 PM

Judging from the books and photografic material I have seen over the years, I also think they did a quite accurate reproduction of a type VIIC interior. Early types VIIA/B were somehow different in terms of machinery used although the general layout remains the same.

Too bad only one type VII still remains in existence today, and it's a late war type VIIc/41. Some years ago, there were some talks to rise all the boats scuttled at the end of the war in operation Deadlight. There's a certain hunger of steel and lead which is not "poisoned" by the radiation released from nuclear experiments from 1945 onwards. Metals fused before that day and preserved underwater are free of these nuclear pollutants and hence have a very high value for building scientific equipment to the point it would cover the expense of raising a wreck from the bottom of the sea.

Although it's scary to think all those boats being cut into pieces, at least it would be a good occasion for a documented study on several other germans submarines of the era of whom only a few blueprints survive.

You're kidding about that right? Steel and Lead being poisoned? Iron Ore is still mined around the globe, it's very abundant. Mining it from underground would be no different than steel sitting underwater... at least in my opinion.... but I don't really believe what you said to be true anyways. No offense.

I think if I was super rich I'd raise me one of those scuttled subs... it would make a nice yacht don't you think? :D

msxyz

03-31-10, 01:45 AM

You're kidding about that right? Steel and Lead being poisoned? Iron Ore is still mined around the globe, it's very abundant.
It gets poisoned the moment it's melted. Also, the more it stays in the open air, the more it gets bombarded by everyday natural radiation. Not to mention that ores straight from deposits have slightly higher content of natural isotopes. That's why metals which rested underwater for long periods of time are attractive to scientists.

Since the detonation of the first atomic bomb in 1945, radioactive fallout from such explosions has resulted in contamination of the atmosphere by traces of radioactive elements previously not found there. The process of melting iron to make steel consumes vast quantities of air, leading to the concentration of such trace elements in the final product. Modern, high-sensitivity instrumentation, such as that used for nuclear radiation monitoring, is susceptible to the signal produced even by these trace elements, and requires material free from such contamination for its manufacture.

Lead ingots (used as ballast) from ancient wrecks are used for shielding very sensible cosmic radiation sensors.

Here's an article (albeit in italian, sorry, I'll try to dig up other info)
http://www.infn.it/notiziario/not5/nuclei.html

tonschk

03-31-10, 08:00 AM

Bilge_Rat

04-05-10, 09:19 AM

I keep noticing neat little details inside the U-boat:

1. how to tell time in-game:

-command room:

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9605/pedestal003.jpg

-conning tower:

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/3673/pedestal007.jpg

2. Helmsman station - the compass on the left has two dials, the outside one has 10 degree intervals, the inside one has single degrees. It works and is a joy to watch operate when you order a course change:

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1388/pedestal009.jpg

TheBlobThing

04-05-10, 11:14 AM

Don't want to hijack the thread but what mod do you use for the dialogue options with the navigator?

Bilge_Rat

04-05-10, 11:26 AM

Don't want to hijack the thread but what mod do you use for the dialogue options with the navigator?

Athlonic's "more crew commands" mod.

Nico71

04-05-10, 11:52 AM

http://www.panorama-deutschland.de/museen/laboe_technisches_museum/index.php

Have fun, guys! :DL

codmander

04-05-10, 01:50 PM

yea the type IX and type II are awesome also :doh: :doh: :doh: and lets not forget 1944/45:o :doh: :doh: :doh:

04-05-10, 01:50 PM

As someone already posted here, there was no special "officer´s cabin" or wardrobe. SH5 modells the complete VII-type U-Boat except for the toilets. In the movie Das Boot you get a somewhat false impression of the size, because they built their interior model in a bigger scale and used a wide-lense for filming. The officer´s table (eating scenes) was actually the captain´s bed serving as seat and a small table that was installed there. So no privacy, no separate rooms. In Das Boot you can see how cramped they were seated, when people tried to go through one of the officers always had to stand up.

I´ve been to Laboe and visited the real thing, and I would say the model in SH5 is quite accurate.

Cheers, AS

Cheapskate

04-06-10, 09:15 AM

With respect, AS, I think your memory may be letting you down a tad :)

There was indeed a wardroom in the officers quarters as evidenced in this photograph which shows U995's layout in that area as it is today.

http://www.u-995.com/images/galerie/offizierraum/offizierraum01.jpg

Originally there was an additional bunk over the top of the seats. This was for the chief engineer's use but was folded up when the area was being used as the wardroom.

Seems to have to have been completely removed in U 995.

Generally speaking, the interior (Control tower aside) in SH5 is very well done. Suppose if I was going to be very nit-picky ,the walls on the corridor side of the radio and sonar rooms are very abbreviated, and there is no inter-linked rubber matting on the galvanised metal floor plates in Control room, Engine room and Electric motor/Aft torpedo rooms.

Still these little omissions aren't going to bother anyone who isn't an inveterate "rivet counter" - like me :DL