View Full Version : Just in: Terror attack on Moscow's metro
Skybird
03-29-10, 12:45 AM
Reports start to come in that two apparent terror suicide attacks have killed at least 37 people in Moscow's metro.
German
http://www.faz.net/s/RubF3CE08B362D244869BE7984590CB6AC1/Doc~E1084966587A84AA88FF1116D8273323A~ATpl~Ecommon ~Scontent.html
English (mentioning just the first of the two attacks so far)
http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=14964299&PageNum=0
http://www.interfax.com/newsinf.asp?id=154495
The second explosion took place at the station "Park Kultury", says the German news, killing another 12.
Torvald Von Mansee
03-29-10, 01:27 AM
gosh darn diddly!!!! Who could have done such a thing? Buddhists? Existentialists? The Amish? It's a mystery!!!!
/guess the tone of the above, win a prize!!!
Skybird
03-29-10, 01:33 AM
Who could have done such a thing?
Northcaucasean (no racism intended) freedom fighters (tm) and emissaries of the religion of peace (c) that want to pacify the region.
I just wait for the first conspirationaliseristas to claim it was Putin.
Story unfolding
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8592190.stm
Castout
03-29-10, 02:14 AM
Oh no . . .:nope:
Terrorism gains popularity since 9/11. And now must be some kind of a trend.
It's like feeding a forum troll.
Foxtrot
03-29-10, 02:51 AM
I just wait for the first conspirationaliseristas to claim it was Putin.
Anyone who claims it is Putin dies mysteriously..:hmmm:
Respenus
03-29-10, 03:13 AM
For the love of ... People died on that Metro and all you can think of us Skybird's academic critique of Islam. Don't you think that no matter the cause or inclination of individuals who did this, it is this a ghastly and repulsive act against which we should fight, as we do against any sort of human action which brings death.
Tribesman
03-29-10, 03:25 AM
Don't you think that no matter the cause or inclination of individuals who did this, it is this a ghastly and repulsive act
Yes, which is entirely at odds with those who say anything goes when it comes to conflict, people shouldn't worry about the nicities or leagalities of conflicts but just kill until the job is done.
If anything goes then blowing up trains full of commuters is all fine and dandy.
Dimitrius07
03-29-10, 05:05 AM
I just heard the news wish is more of the same. Fanatics can`t take out the president so they pick on citizens instead.
RIP for the victims....................................
Jimbuna
03-29-10, 05:07 PM
I feel for the victims and their families :nope:
Camaero
03-29-10, 05:42 PM
More people should listen to The Beatles.
nikimcbee
03-29-10, 11:31 PM
I've been to all of the metro stops!:o
http://www.metro.ru/map/2010/metro.ru-2010.01map.gif
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/03/29/article-1261502-08EA31F4000005DC-792_634x780.jpg
Platapus
03-30-10, 05:09 PM
Committing acts of violence against innocent people for what some other people did to another group of people in another place and time.
What kind of logic is that? :nope:
Just a bunch of innocent minions schlepping to work. What a senseless stupid act of violence and hatred. :nope:
Jimbuna
03-30-10, 05:17 PM
Committing acts of violence against innocent people for what some other people did to another group of people in another place and time.
What kind of logic is that? :nope:
Just a bunch of innocent minions schlepping to work. What a senseless stupid act of violence and hatred. :nope:
Agreed :yep:
Biggles
03-30-10, 06:21 PM
More people should listen to The Beatles.
Clever lad! Playing that song on the drums is very entertaining btw!
On a more serious note, what a terrible thing this is...I'm also surprised that this hasn't had a bigger impact on the world, maybe it's just me, but it really feels like people aren't taking any particular interest in this. (For starters, we're still at page 1 on this thread!)
Happy Times
03-31-10, 03:13 AM
Clever lad! Playing that song on the drums is very entertaining btw!
On a more serious note, what a terrible thing this is...I'm also surprised that this hasn't had a bigger impact on the world, maybe it's just me, but it really feels like people aren't taking any particular interest in this. (For starters, we're still at page 1 on this thread!)
Maybe because people here follow the worlds developments and this was expected.
The mostly local Tchechen conflict has now engulfed the whole Caucasus.
Also Ingushia and Dagestan have been areas of recruitment for a long time to these radical islamist groups.
They have become more global with support coming from the Afganistan drug trade and foreign donators.
As a result their objectives have transformed from local separatism to include the whole muslims population in Russia.
That is one reason they strike Moscow reguralry, to spread the open conflict to the other rebublics, main target could be oil rich Tatarstan.
There is no way to stop these strikes without killing and expelling all muslims from Russia.
The Russians took this relatively calmly, well Putin used rather colourful language, the Moscow metro is going to be full like before.
The 2004 Moscow metro bombing killed 50 people, and how many other strikes have there been?
The thing to follow here is if the conflict spreads to the other rebuplics that have separationist aspirations. Then it will grow to a new level and will really become one of the hotspots of global Jihad.
i had some friends in moscow that were 1 station away from lubyanka when this happened im glad they are ok
OneToughHerring
03-31-10, 07:33 AM
Well the good thing is that it could have been much worse. From what I've read the explosions weren't in the thickest throng. Still, a really bad thing.
Chechnya doesn't help it's cause like this, to say the least.
Chechnya doesn't help it's cause like this, to say the least.
and who told you that it's about(and by) Chechnya?:hmmm:
and who told you that it's about(and by) Chechnya?:hmmm:
No one told me.
Why do you ask?
Skybird
03-31-10, 09:42 AM
Russia says there are strong indications the women most likely committing these atrocities were so-called "black widows", which in the past have struck Russia before, most notably during the seizing of that theatre some years ago. That links the attacks to Chechnya indeed.
However, the nature of the rebels in the provinces of Chechnya and Inguchetia has changed most profoundly in the past 2 or 3 years. Before, they were fighting for independence for the most, Islamic ideologic drives to establish a Muhammedan theocratic state have just been part of the package. But now they are fighting for the establishment of a Caliphate as a dominat reason. They get massive funding from our old and trustworthy "ally", Saudi Terror Arabia, which has massively increased it's support over the past years.
It's not that both reasons for their fight, independence and Caliphate, never have both existed or do not exist both today, it's just that the dominant drive for their fight has shifted from independence to wanting a caliphate.
On the other hand, already during the Soviet war in Afghanistan in the 80s, the mujaheddin already told Western correspondents time and again that they plan to carry their war against the Soviets beyond Afghanistan and into all of the USSR's Southern provinces to turn them into muhammedan theocratic nations by force, and then thrust Islam into the heart of Moscow as well.
In the end every Islamic quarrel is about supremacist claims, totalitarian control and monoculturalism, and establishing the one and only true Herrenkultur, always, everywhere, each and every time Islamic groups starts complaining again. And this claim is what will make any negotiated settlement of the conflicts in the Caucasus and Israel-Palestine a wishful illusion, forever. As long as there is any non-Muslim place in the world, for Islam it still will not be enough what it already got. It's part of it's mission and self-understanding.
Russia says there are strong indications the women most likely committing these atrocities were so-called "black widows", which in the past have struck Russia before, most notably during the seizing of that theatre some years ago. That links the attacks to Chechnya indeed.
and the Chechens say that it was the FSB. I have seen to many documentaries about the Chechans in prisons and how they are used by russian security services to believe any of the sides.
Skybird
03-31-10, 11:30 AM
Blind trust is not appropriate here, agreed. However, it is the most reasonable and most probable scenario at present. Any other theory needs at least as good a basis in information, as the assumption that the Chechnyan islamists have struck - even more so since their leadership has chnaged over the past two years, I think, and the new one promised to bring the war back to Russian streets. And this says not the FSB, but the Chechnyans Islamists themselves. ;) Also note that there have been bombings inside Dagestan today, too, while German TV news says today that Chechnyan rebels have confessed responsibility for the metro bombings in Moscow.
P.S. note that when I say "Chechnyan Islamists", it could as well be Islamists from Inguchetia and Dagestan, and/or foreign Islamists having entered the region - all this breed already cooperates beyond the borders of those former Soviet provinces, ignoring for a moment some minor local animosities between this and that warlord or this and that ethnic village.
Reuters reports that Chechen rebel Doku Umarov, the self-styled 'Emir of the Caucasus Emirate' has claimed on his website that he ordered the attacks.
Skybird
03-31-10, 01:00 PM
:timeout: Is it "Chechen" or "Chechnyan"?
Skybird
03-31-10, 03:05 PM
:up:
OneToughHerring
03-31-10, 03:16 PM
Reuters reports that Chechen rebel Doku Umarov, the self-styled 'Emir of the Caucasus Emirate' has claimed on his website that he ordered the attacks.
Well not sure if it's his own website but rather a website used by the Chechens in general to further their cause.
http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/
The site is maintained by a Finnish guy, believe it or not. Bet Skybird would like to kick his butt. :haha:
XabbaRus
03-31-10, 05:14 PM
Chechnya had its chance when it had de facto independence..
They screwed it up.....
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