IS there a MODed SUB with cruise missile?

[kevinlv]

i think it's quite cool by lanching cruise missile from a submaring,
don't you think?

IS there anu MOD include this function?

[Paul Riley]

I think you may need to play a nuclear sub game,i'm afraid German U-Boats didnt carry such things :har:

[Jimbuna]

I think you may need to play a nuclear sub game,i'm afraid German U-Boats didnt carry such things :har:

They came pretty close:

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.uboataces.com/images/rocket_launcher.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.uboataces.com/articles-rocket-uboat.shtml&usg=__mGti1DIun_Qc-AnUE_tsp1b6S-s=&h=229&w=320&sz=18&hl=en&start=29&itbs=1&tbnid=tkGMmKxfG0WMwM:&tbnh=84&tbnw=118&prev=/images%3Fq%3DU-boat%2Bmissile%26start%3D21%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26g bv%3D2%26ndsp%3D21%26tbs%3Disch:1

[Paul Riley]

They came pretty close:

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.uboataces.com/images/rocket_launcher.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.uboataces.com/articles-rocket-uboat.shtml&usg=__mGti1DIun_Qc-AnUE_tsp1b6S-s=&h=229&w=320&sz=18&hl=en&start=29&itbs=1&tbnid=tkGMmKxfG0WMwM:&tbnh=84&tbnw=118&prev=/images%3Fq%3DU-boat%2Bmissile%26start%3D21%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26g bv%3D2%26ndsp%3D21%26tbs%3Disch:1

I wonder if they could have ever converted a V2 to be fired from a U-Boat? That really would have been hard to counter,they would simply park the U-Boat literally in the Thames somewhere and *boom!*,bob's your aunty,they would have never had time to react to such a sudden attack :o
Looking at the images the system looked very rudimentary and would have created awful drag I reckon.Ideally it needs to be installed inside the hull itself?,like modern Trident subs.
Interesting link jim,cheers.

[KL-alfman]

Jimbuna, I'm deeply impressed by your endless knowledge of U-Boot warfare. :o
thx for sharing!
(I'd never assumed such a thing was even considered)

[Paul Riley]

I dont even think Jim is technically alive,he is in fact a ghostly apparition sent with a single purpose,to keep the U-Boat memory alive :o:timeout:
He has haunted mens dreams for centuries and is the key figure in all known sea hauntings and superstitions.He may very well be what we know as Davey Jones himself!

[KL-alfman]

Davey Jones himself!


http://www.my-smileys.de/smileys3/01_4.gif

[Paul Riley]

http://www.my-smileys.de/smileys3/01_4.gif


:salute:

[maillemaker]

I thought I remembered reading about plans or tests for carrying a V2 in a towable, submersible launch platform?

Anyway I don't know that the strategic value would have been that great, other than providing increased range, which would have been fantastic, of course.

Once launched, there was no technology that could intercept or shoot down a V2 that I know of.

Steve

[Paul Riley]

Once launched, there was no technology that could intercept or shoot down a V2 that I know of.

Steve

Certainly not at close range thats for sure.The only way Britain ever dealt with them was with Spitfires (if they got scrambled in time that is),where they would fly and maintain course and speed with the V2,then fly so that their wing was directly under the wing of the V2,then roll over flipping it in the process,which would knock it off course,then hopefully it would land in a field somewhere :timeout:

[maillemaker]

Paul, I think you are talking about the V1 buzz bombs? They could be shot down.

V2 rockets were supersonic traveling on ballistic trajectories. There was nothing that could take them down. Hell there is hardly anything today that can take them down. :)

Steve

[Paul Riley]

Paul, I think you are talking about the V1 buzz bombs? They could be shot down.

V2 rockets were supersonic traveling on ballistic trajectories. There was nothing that could take them down. Hell there is hardly anything today that can take them down. :)

Steve

Could have been the V1s,as they made a distinctive 'buzzing' sound just before they would cut out then...well,you know the rest :nope:

[Jimbuna]

Certainly not at close range thats for sure.The only way Britain ever dealt with them was with Spitfires (if they got scrambled in time that is),where they would fly and maintain course and speed with the V2,then fly so that their wing was directly under the wing of the V2,then roll over flipping it in the process,which would knock it off course,then hopefully it would land in a field somewhere :timeout:

A rare photo of such an event:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Spitfire_Tipping_V-1_Flying_Bomb.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spitfire_Tipping_V-1_Flying_Bomb.jpg

[KL-alfman]

A rare photo of such an event:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Spitfire_Tipping_V-1_Flying_Bomb.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spitfire_Tipping_V-1_Flying_Bomb.jpg


this definitely is a V1

edit: the pilot must've been very gifted and brave to do such deed

[frau kaleun]

Certainly not at close range thats for sure.The only way Britain ever dealt with them was with Spitfires (if they got scrambled in time that is),where they would fly and maintain course and speed with the V2,then fly so that their wing was directly under the wing of the V2,then roll over flipping it in the process,which would knock it off course,then hopefully it would land in a field somewhere


A rare photo of such an event:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Spitfire_Tipping_V-1_Flying_Bomb.jpg



:o

Makes me wonder how the RAF could even get airborne, with balls that big.

:salute:

[Paul Riley]

Good ol' British balls of steel! we were born to fight :D:salute:

[maillemaker]

Definitely a V1.

I don't understand why if they were able to get that close that they did not just shoot it down? I know many were shot down, also by anti-aircraft batteries.

[maillemaker]

According to wikipedia, they were hard to shoot down, because they were relatively tough.

Steve

[Jimbuna]

They were also filled with lots of stuff that went bang!!

[maillemaker]

That, according to Wikipedia, was one of the ways to shoot it down - hit the stuff that goes bang with a high-explosive round.

The other vulnerable spot was a valve assembly just forward of the engine.

Steve

[Jimbuna]

Just don't be a few plane lengths away when you perform the operation :DL

[Madox58]

The V2 Rockets were Sub-Orbital projectiles.
In other words?
They went WAAAAY high!
(But not so high to get stuck.)
Then fell at really, REALLY fast speeds!
Till they hit the ground with a bigga da Boom!

So they were kind of like trying to shoot a rock out of the sky.
No recorded success of killing a V2 on it's way down.
No recorded LIE about hitting one on it's way down!

For it's day?
It was THE Bad Arse on the block!

[Paul Riley]

I am sure many Londoners would agree with you too.Truly a terrible weapon :nope:

[RConch]

I am sure many Londoners would agree with you too.Truly a terrible weapon :nope:

That all depends on which end of the missle you are on, giving or receiving.:salute:

[KL-alfman]

I am sure many Londoners would agree with you too.Truly a terrible weapon :nope:


not only terrible but:
I consider launching weapons with no designated target of military purpose and causing huge losses of civilians as war-crime. :nope:

[maillemaker]

The V2 Rockets were Sub-Orbital projectiles.
In other words?
They went WAAAAY high!
(But not so high to get stuck.)
Then fell at really, REALLY fast speeds!
Till they hit the ground with a bigga da Boom!

So they were kind of like trying to shoot a rock out of the sky.
No recorded success of killing a V2 on it's way down.
No recorded LIE about hitting one on it's way down!

Not to be pedantic here, but it is mostly velocity, not altitude, that determines if something goes into orbit or not, though of course if you don't want to be dragged down by resistance against the atmosphere you have to be high enough to be out of the atmosphere. But if you launch something straight up, even if it is outside of the atmosphere it won't get "stuck" there. It has to be going fast enough so that as it "falls" it follows the curvature of the Earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2

Operational
range 320 km (200 mi) Flight altitude 88 km (55 mi) maximum altitude on long range trajectory, 206 km (128 mi) maximum altitude if launched vertically. Speed maximum: 1,600 m/s (5,200 ft/s)5,760 km/h (3,580 mph) at impact:
800 m/s (2,600 ft/s)2,880 km/h (1,790 mph)The reason why the V2 was impossible to shoot down was because it was traveling up to 4.5 times faster than the speed of sound. The Allies had nothing that could intercept it.

not only terrible but:
I consider launching weapons with no designated target of military purpose and causing huge losses of civilians as war-crime.

I tend to say all's fair in love and war. We nuked two cities, after all.

Steve

[flag4]

A rare photo of such an event:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Spitfire_Tipping_V-1_Flying_Bomb.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spitfire_Tipping_V-1_Flying_Bomb.jpg

ahh, its soo sweet - they look like they're holding hands...:yep:

[U-48Kriegsmarine]

Thats a V1 in the picture, the V2 didn't have wings.

But still... WOW!!!

[KL-alfman]

ahh, its soo sweet - they look like they're holding hands...:yep:


:D
funny point of view!

[timmy41]

I watched a video about the womens defense auxiliary that manned (or womanned?) the coastal defense 12.8cm guns. There was a lot of footage in it of them shooting down the v1s, often if they werent destroyed in mid air, they would be destabilized and crash, hopefully landing in the cleared areas but sometimes on the gun positions themselves.
ill try to find it.

[Jimbuna]

I watched a video about the womens defense auxiliary that manned (or womanned?) the coastal defense 12.8cm guns. There was a lot of footage in it of them shooting down the v1s, often if they werent destroyed in mid air, they would be destabilized and crash, hopefully landing in the cleared areas but sometimes on the gun positions themselves.
ill try to find it.

Looking forward to seeing it :up:

[Patkins1983]

We didn't always have to shoot them down or intercept them. We just fed false data back to the germans that they were over-shooting london so when the germans corrected for this, they landed short of london.

Bet the germans were a bit annoyed when/if they found out about it.

[Paul Riley]

We didn't always have to shoot them down or intercept them. We just fed false data back to the germans that they were over-shooting london so when the germans corrected for this, they landed short of london.

Bet the germans were a bit annoyed when/if they found out about it.

Now THATS clever.
Its like the dummy army made totally out of rubber that Montgomery ordered built and placed in the south at El Alamein,decieving the Germans and then the British tanks attacked in force to the north,effectively taking the Germans completely by surprise :cool:

[ERPP8]

I wonder if they could have ever converted a V2 to be fired from a U-Boat? That really would have been hard to counter,they would simply park the U-Boat literally in the Thames somewhere and *boom!*,bob's your aunty,they would have never had time to react to such a sudden attack :o
Looking at the images the system looked very rudimentary and would have created awful drag I reckon.Ideally it needs to be installed inside the hull itself?,like modern Trident subs.
Interesting link jim,cheers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2#Unfulfilled_plans
Thames it waaaaaaay too close.
More like Iceland's coastal waters (not that they would go there, just a range estimate)

[ERPP8]

Not to be pedantic here, but it is mostly velocity, not altitude, that determines if something goes into orbit or not, though of course if you don't want to be dragged down by resistance against the atmosphere you have to be high enough to be out of the atmosphere. But if you launch something straight up, even if it is outside of the atmosphere it won't get "stuck" there. It has to be going fast enough so that as it "falls" it follows the curvature of the Earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2

Operational
range 320 km (200 mi) Flight altitude 88 km (55 mi) maximum altitude on long range trajectory, 206 km (128 mi) maximum altitude if launched vertically. Speed maximum: 1,600 m/s (5,200 ft/s)5,760 km/h (3,580 mph) at impact:
800 m/s (2,600 ft/s)2,880 km/h (1,790 mph)The reason why the V2 was impossible to shoot down was because it was traveling up to 4.5 times faster than the speed of sound. The Allies had nothing that could intercept it.



I tend to say all's fair in love and war. We nuked two cities, after all.

Steve
Yes!!!
The V2 was a suborbital BALLISTIC MISSILE
Aside from heat-seeking countermeasures they do what they want.
Even today we can't really shoot down a ballistic missile without it's exact course(I don't think the enemy will publish it)

[timmy41]

Looking forward to seeing it :up:
checked where I saw it, the post is gone. still looking on various footage websites when I can.

[timmy41]

Yes!!!
The V2 was a suborbital BALLISTIC MISSILE
Aside from heat-seeking countermeasures they do what they want.
Even today we can't really shoot down a ballistic missile without it's exact course(I don't think the enemy will publish it)
We've been able to reliably shoot down ballistic missiles for 50 years now. You didn't have to hit it, you just had to get within half a mile or so, then blow it up. Nowadays we CAN hit them, but that'd be silly, you only need to get close enough to blow it up.