I will no longer play this game until Ubisoft fix it

[Fozzy22]

And yet again time compression won't shut down on the click of your mouse. I finish an objective, plot course back to harbor and activate TC, only to find on nearing the harbor the TC won't shut off on your constant clicks of the mouse in vain and your boat crashes into the uboat pen at "Ludicrous speed".

I tried the dock at port button but now the "entering port" save wont load and crashes back to desktop. The only option would be to start the patrol again....um...no. :damn::nope:

...Rant over.

[Dutch]

Good for you sir. Finally looks like people are beginning to stand up and speak out about the problems rather than blindly follow UBI Soft such as many members here. Sad to see Subsim become what it has since the release of SHV.

[Fozzy22]

Good for you sir. Finally looks like people are beginning to stand up and speak out about the problems rather than blindly follow UBI Soft such as many members here. Sad to see Subsim become what it has since the release of SHV.

My advice to anyone who asked.....

Buy a cheap version of SH3 and run it with GWX3, it's more realistic and at least it doesn't re-write history.

I've seen many people on these forums have their say and express negative opinion (to which they are entitled) but continue to play it. In my view i cannot continue with the constant frustration this game provides me. The modders have made the controls and gameplay better and it's appreciated very much, but the bugs I beleive outweigh at present any good those clever mods deliver.

:shifty:

[Decoman]

I never click the gui for changing time compression. Not sure if there is a go-to-x1-speed, so I press 'back' key and then '+' on num keyboard to get back to x1 speed.

[JamesT73J]

Sad to see Subsim become what it has since the release of SHV.

Quite, although I suspect for quite different reasons than yours.

[reboot]

I usually start backing off on the compression as I get closer to port. I also never go higher than 1024 at any time. I think it may be that lower/mid end CPU's can't pickup on contacts, land etc, fast enough when running much higher. At least that seems to be the case for me.

[Drifter]

Good for you sir. Finally looks like people are beginning to stand up and speak out about the problems rather than blindly follow UBI Soft such as many members here. Sad to see Subsim become what it has since the release of SHV.

Yes, it's sad that some people continue to blindly defend SH5 no matter what. And I'm getting tired of all the 'stop complaining, the modders will fix it' attitudes. :shifty:

But on the other hand, many people are starting to wake up. After the novelty of pretty graphics wears off, it's becoming too obvious how broken, unfinished, and just plain bad SH5 really is. :nope:

[SabreHawk]

Getting back to 1x TC is very simple. The "\" key.
And thus is shown on the keyboard map (F1) And also shown on that keyboard map is the keystrokes for increasing and decreasing TC which are Keypad + and - :03:

[Fozzy22]

Getting back to 1x TC is very simple. The "\" key.
And thus is shown on the keyboard map (F1) And also shown on that keyboard map is the keystrokes for increasing and decreasing TC which are Keypad + and - :03:

I have been playing this game (or trying to) since release and have already memorised most of the controls. The problem isn't knowing what buttons to press, it's that the game doesn't respond like it's supposed to. TC was never this bad in SH3 or SH4 and you shouldn't have to limit it's use to 1024 speed because it's broken, these things should work on release. The truth is the game is unstable and i'm sick of it, like many other people here. And it's not like i'm running on min specs either. (Core 2 Duo 6700, XFX8800GTX, 4GB RAM) I would expect this to run games almost flawlessly most of the time. :O:

[Letum]

As long as you buy the game, Ubi doesn't care if you think their game
doesn't work. Ubi doesn't care that it's so bad you stopped playing it. Ubi
doesn't care that you can't play it off line, even tho there is no reason you
need to be online.

If these things didn't stop you buying the game, Ubi will do it again and again.

[SabreHawk]

Aye aye Fozz, I just posted that in case.
It's never failed to work for me, in fact at the end of the day nothing has really failed in my install so far and runs more stable than FSX does on my system. Not that FSX runs badly on it, but framerate in some sceneries can be a bit low.

But as for SH5, it runs stable and smooth and every time. In fact the only time it ever failed in any respect was after I did a system restore, and according to tech support this messes with the registry in some way and caused SH5 to not be able to connect to UBI's master servers. And a simple reinstall fixed that. And because of online saves, I didnt even lose any campaign progress.:up:
Im beginning to believe that the issues with instability that some experience may well be system dependent, and may well be due to hard drive performance or viruses, adware, spyware, and many other things of that nature. Even virus scan programs, system cleaners and the like can play havoc with things.
I know that about two years ago I had a trojan in my system that played havoc with anything I tried to run and had errors and crashes all the time.
So much so that I was so sick of it I took out that HD and slapped a nice big new one in and have had no problems ever since.

[THE_MASK]

I never click the gui for changing time compression. Not sure if there is a go-to-x1-speed, so I press 'back' key and then '+' on num keyboard to get back to x1 speed.What do you mean not sure if there is a go to X1 speed . How come your version doesnt have the buttons then .

[Wilcke]

I have been playing this game (or trying to) since release and have already memorised most of the controls. The problem isn't knowing what buttons to press, it's that the game doesn't respond like it's supposed to. TC was never this bad in SH3 or SH4 and you shouldn't have to limit it's use to 1024 speed because it's broken, these things should work on release. The truth is the game is unstable and i'm sick of it, like many other people here. And it's not like i'm running on min specs either. (Core 2 Duo 6700, XFX8800GTX, 4GB RAM) I would expect this to run games almost flawlessly most of the time. :O:

Non issue on the following rig;

AMD Phenom II 955 BE Rev C
Nvidia 9800GT
8gigs of RAM
Win 7 Pro

All sliders maxed out and 1920 by 1080 widescreen.

I can steam in at high TC hit the "\" key and she goes to TC 1 instantly.

[Onkel Neal]

Good for you sir. Finally looks like people are beginning to stand up and speak out about the problems rather than blindly follow UBI Soft such as many members here. Sad to see Subsim become what it has since the release of SHV.


Sad for you maybe.

Yes, it's sad that some people continue to blindly defend SH5 no matter what. And I'm getting tired of all the 'stop complaining, the modders will fix it' attitudes. :shifty:

But on the other hand, many people are starting to wake up. After the novelty of pretty graphics wears off, it's becoming too obvious how broken, unfinished, and just plain bad SH5 really is. :nope:

Who is blindly defending SH5? What does that mean? If someone is playing the game and not constantly slagging off on it, that's blindly defending? Let's be clear, I never blindly defended it. I pointed out a lot of flaws, in my review and many threads here. I don't see anyone blindly defending it, even the people who actually like it.

Oh, I see, what you mean is anyone who is not making constant posts complaining about SH5. Complaining loudly with lots of juvenile hyperbole.

[pythos]

Let say this once (at least in this pointless thread)

SILENT HUNTER IS NOT A STUPID BRAINLESS CONSOLE SHOOTEM UP CLONE OF OTHER GAMES.

it is a simulator. It is also a niche market game, which unfortunately limits the time developers can put into it before it gets shoved out the door.

If you don't like the game, and forget how the other versions were,

Please go away. Stop your whining, insulting, bitching and moaning.

either contribute, or get the hell out!!!

I am loving Sh5, with mods, (shaddup all you "it shouldn't need mods" people. Flight simulator with a bigger following than SH was modded all to hell and back throughout it's evolution, and still is getting modded) and wish people would just enjoy it, realizing YES it is buggy, but it is easily modded.
God, you all.

ENJOY THE GAME, contribute ideas, get mods.

*Off off soap box*

[Drifter]

Sad for you maybe.



Who is blindly defending SH5? What does that mean? If someone is playing the game and not constantly slagging off on it, that's blindly defending? Let's be clear, I never blindly defended it. I pointed out a lot of flaws, in my review and many threads here. I don't see anyone blindly defending it, even the people who actually like it.

Oh, I see, what you mean is anyone who is not making constant posts complaining about SH5. Complaining loudly with lots of juvenile hyperbole.

Neal, I wasn't talking about you. Your SH5 review was balanced and honest. But some here do blindly defend Ubi and SH5, regardless of the condition that the game was released in. If SH5 is truly broken and unfinished, it deserves the complaints. I don't think all complaining should be considered childish. But first and most, people should send a message to Ubi by voting with their wallets.

[UnSalted]

Let say this once 9at least in this pointless thread)

SILENT HUNTER IS NOT A STUPID BRAINLESS CONSOLE SHOOTEM UP CLONE OF OTHER GAMES.

it is a simulator. It is also a niche market game, which unfortunately limits the time developers can put into it before it gets shoved out the door.

If you don't like the game, and forget how the other versions were,

Please go away. Stop your whining, insulting, bitching and moaning.

either contribute, or get the hell out!!!

I am loving Sh5, with mods, (shaddup all you "it shouldn't need mods" people. Flight simulator with a bigger following than SH was modded all to hell and back throughout it's evolution, and still is getting modded) and wish people would just enjoy it, realizing YES it is buggy, but it is easily modded.
God, you all.

ENJOY THE GAME, contribute ideas, get mods.

*Off off soap box*


So how's that no fiber diet working for you? :)

[Drifter]

So how's that no fiber diet working for you? :)

lmao :har:

[Méo]

@pythos

I feel the same as you do, but I think it's useless to discuss about it.

They only need to vent their frustration. (I know, it's endless...)

In the end, it's their problem. :dead:

[codmander]

GOOD GRIEF another i hate/love sh5 :oops: post I dont own it but keep coming back to check on sh3 stuff and glance into sh5 fourm for hope that someday sh5 may be worth pickin up .................................................. ............:shifty::shifty: ...............owell not yet personally sh3 rocks my world with some of those recent mods really neat stuff so i sub on untill sh5 players get on the same page :rock:

[mookiemookie]

Quite, although I suspect for quite different reasons than yours.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[SteamWake]

I guess its harder to hit the \ button than it is to click the mouse.

[ENtek-IO]

Ignorance is bliss.

If anyone is expecting reason here its wasted time.

The same people who buy sh5 would have bought VHS recorders over Betamax Systems.

ITs the same folks that bought chaep Nvidia cards over quality 3dfx.
TO just name 2 examples.

Simply because they don't get that the only choice the consumer has is to vote with his money.


And now they drag down pc gameing by buying OWellian software BS.

I know, i know you all get it, its just your choice right?? it is not, and you don't understand anything ,period.

THe ones who call people who point you in the right direction whiners,.. for you guys is the first sentence.

Please don't insult the guys who stand on the right side of the fence with your lame excuses.

You know you cant just a little bit wrong ,as well there is no such thing as being a little bit pregnant.


:salute:

PS: dont think my intention is to Insult you, its not, i state just facts.
In case you feel offended think about the following.
The truth hurts occasionally ...sigh

Ready for the brig Neal.;)

[Steeltrap]

PS: dont think my intention is to Insult you, its not, i state just facts.

Facts? The only fact I saw was that it's impossible to be a little bit pregnant.

The rest was opinion, and expressed in a rather aggressive, condescending fashion. Some of that might be attributable to English not being your native language (and note I'm not saying your English isn't good, but am allowing for the fact that it might not be particularly nuanced/subtle).

Incidentally, I don't have SH5. I've made that chioce for reasons I've stated elsewhere, but I don't post it everywhere I can, and I don't begrudge others enjoying the game (I am, after all, a fan of sub sims and this site). I'm perfectly happy to make comments and contribute to discussions. It can be done without beating others over the head simply becuase they have views that differ from your own.

Cheers

[BlackSpot]

Listen to yourselves. You sound like some deranged cult. :timeout:
I think everyone here acknowledges that there are problems with the game. Can you not let other people have a civilized discussion without hijacking the threads with this tired diatribe? How many more weeks are you going to tell the world that you're not buying the game?

There are many talented and creative guys putting in time and effort to mod this game for others to enjoy. All you guys want to do is tell us what you're not going to do. Not quite as creative, is it? Eh?

Speaking personally, I couldn't give a monkey's chuff whether you buy the game or not. I like the game. I'm even enjoying the game. There I've said it. Now get over it. :yeah:

[Reaves]

Full of issues but I still have fun... getting a bit bored of destroyers not being a threadt. Plus RAF simply ignoring me...

Either way... good for you for having a statement.

I like cheese. :yeah:

[saltysplash]

Speaking personally, I couldn't give a monkey's chuff whether you buy the game or not.

Thats a phrase ive not heard in a while and made me chuckle:O:

reminds me of Albert Steptoe once exclaiming to Harrold " its as cold as a Penguins chuff in ere"

[ENtek-IO]

"Steeltrap Facts? The only fact I saw was that it's impossible to be a little bit pregnant.

The rest was opinion, and expressed in a rather aggressive, condescending fashion. "


Aggressive?? where?

condescending ?? that's obviously your hit ego talking,because i doubt you heard me talking in that manner,and that is usually necessary to carve out such an intention in a sentence.

As my post was in written form ,that accusation says more about you then me.




"(and note I'm not saying your English isn't good, but am allowing for the fact that it might not be particularly nuanced/subtle)."

Well, i cant hide behind that excuse , sorry, it is as blunt,if you you like to call it that way, as it is for a reason,i think the people i was referring to just don't get it otherwise.

:salute:

[Onkel Neal]

Neal, I wasn't talking about you. Your SH5 review was balanced and honest. But some here do blindly defend Ubi and SH5, regardless of the condition that the game was released in. If SH5 is truly broken and unfinished, it deserves the complaints. I don't think all complaining should be considered childish. But first and most, people should send a message to Ubi by voting with their wallets.

I don't see that many (if any) who are posting repeatedly that "SH5 is great, nothing wrong with it, it's perfect". That's what I mean, who is blindly defending SH5, and doing it over and over? Some people have found a way to play the game and enjoy it. I have (even though I saw a British DD roar off into the Norweigan woods last night :dead:).

Let's imagine I did not like SH5. I got it, I played it, I reviewed it, and I don't like it. I might post my feelings on that, but you would not see me in the same forum throwing in trollbombs every day. Like Battlestations: Midway
Unless Eidos fixes this or releases additional campaigns*, the multiplayer is all that keeps it from ending up as shelf ballast after a week. Which is a shame because Battlestations: Midway has a lot going for it.

And that's it. No one sees me in the General Games Discussion (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/forumdisplay.php?f=177) throwing hateful comments at people who actually like and enjoy the game.

Sure, SH5 has problems, I don't know if I would say it is "unplayable" or "broken" as in totally broken. Some parts are broken, I agree, and they should be highlighted, and discussed... Intellegently. Not like a bunch of yahoos in a MySpace comments section.

The people who do not want to buy the game, who will not play it, who only pop in to shout about how bad it is, and repeat this all the time-- what do they want?

Do they want to express their disappointment? OK. Done.
Do they want to persuade others to hate SH5? Well... is that really a good use of anyone's time?:06:





The same people who buy sh5 would have bought VHS recorders over Betamax Systems.

ITs the same folks that bought chaep Nvidia cards over quality 3dfx.
TO just name 2 examples.

Simply because they don't get that the only choice the consumer has is to vote with his money.


And now they drag down pc gameing by buying OWellian software BS.

I know, i know you all get it, its just your choice right?? it is not, and you don't understand anything ,period.

THe ones who call people who point you in the right direction whiners,.. for you guys is the first sentence.

Please don't insult the guys who stand on the right side of the fence with your lame excuses.

You know you cant just a little bit wrong ,as well there is no such thing as being a little bit pregnant.


PS: dont think my intention is to Insult you, its not, i state just facts.
In case you feel offended think about the following.
The truth hurts occasionally ...sigh



Yes, we all state "facts", the facts as we believe them to be. I think that's called "opinion".

How is buying or not buying SH5 not our choice? As for the "guys who stand on the right side of the fence", glad you are so certain who is right and who is wrong.

[ENtek-IO]

Yes, we all state "facts", the facts as we believe them to be. I think that's called "opinion".

How is buying or not buying SH5 not our choice? As for the "guys who stand on the right side of the fence", glad you are so certain who is right and who is wrong.

Nothing i wrote is based on believing something the examples i gave are History and happened.

Well with all due respect, if your so called "opinion" leads to implementation of something i really don't think anyone here can sincerely defend,and all the dire consequences arising from it in the future, like in my examples, just a few levels worse.

I would say.
Its bordering onto sarcasm to call that a question of opinion.

One last thing,i really would love to buy that game, but i really cant for the above mentioned reasons . Sorry.

IF we don't stop the DRM concept now ,it will be to late ,this is where we have to make a stand or the show is over.

And i find it kinda obvious which side of the fence is the right one, i don't know what to say else.

Regards.

[Onkel Neal]

Nothing i wrote is based on believing something the examples i gave are History and happened.

Well with all due respect, if your so called "opinion" leads to implementation of something i really don't think anyone here can sincerely defend,and all the dire consequences arising from it in the future, like in my examples, just a few levels worse.

I would say.
Its bordering onto sarcasm to call that a question of opinion.

One last thing,i really would love to buy that game, but i really cant for the above mentioned reasons . Sorry.

IF we don't stop the DRM concept now ,it will be to late ,this is where we have to made a stand or the show is over.

And i find it kinda obvious which side of the fence is the right one, i don't know what to say else.

Regards.

I

Yes, and that's your opinion. You can't see that? Everyone thinks their beliefs are the "one truth". But in the end, it's still just opinion, sir. :)

You think the "show will be over" if we don't stop DRM? Really? We have to make a final stand? ...or what? All games will have effective DRM? So what? I'm pretty sure the world will keep turning even if people have to connected to play PC games.


How about people making a final stand against software piracy? I don't hear much about that.

You used VHS and Beta as an example earlier. So what if VHS won the format war, life goes on, people were just fine with VHS. And DVD came along and replaced it anyway...

Anyway, that's my opinion ;)

[robbo180265]

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w181/robbo180265/ohgeez.jpg



I hit enter on my keyboard to go from any TC to 1 TC (nuff said really)

Never ever had a problem with it:03:

[Drifter]

Neal, I'm happy for people who are enjoying SH5 in it's current state. More power to them. I don't think those people should be trashed for liking it. What I don't like is when someone starts a thread complaining about SH5, certain people always jump in to defend it, and say the complainers should just go away. And then there are threads praising SH5, and some people jump in there to trash talk SH5 to blow off steam. Maybe there should be only one 'I love SH5, and here's why' thread, and only one 'I hate SH5- and here's why' thread, and no new threads trashing or praising SH5 could be started. That would leave open more room for threads regarding SH5 game play and such. Just an idea. :ping:

[NefariousKoel]

I keep coming back, and checking in, because I want to buy (and play) SH5.

However, the DRM is against my principles and I stand by them still. I keep waiting for them to be patched out but it doesn't look good.

I see these threads which makes it even more disappointing. I hope it all gets fixed, but after the previous issues dating back to SH2, I have little hope left.

At this point, I'm kinda hoping Ubi tanks so the SH devs can perhaps move to a publisher who'll have better consideration of their customers and their software in mind. If not, someone will come along like they always have. I will not believe that pandering to Ubi's ridiculous practices is the last hope we have in saving the genre as they're the ones who've created the mess. I've not completely given up on SH5, but it's looking quite dismal.

I complain, here, out of frustration. The occasional derogatory replies to ranting such as mine only exacerbates the aggravation. I'm sure many other complainers (whiners, cultists, etc.) such as myself are of like mind.

[Armistead]

DRM wouldn't stop me as long as it works, still, I don't like it, but if it was a great sim I think people could deal with DRM. However, the arcade play I can't deal with. My biggest problem is the campaign, the silliness of having to sink BB's and Carriers to progress is just arcadish..

[jerm138]

Like others, I keep coming to these threads for intel on when it's safe to go in the water.

I agree that people have a right to complain and all, but it seems like a lot of subsimmers have begun to crap in their own backyard. Bashing each other here is just silly. Griping about the game here just stirs up bad feelings all around. And for what? You're not "making a stand" when you come here flinging poo at other subsimmers because you're unhappy with the game or its flavor of copy protection. You're not changing anything... just making this a miserable place. All the while, the people who you should be complaining to are sipping cocktails on a yacht somewhere while you fight amongst yourselves.

It's like watching rioters tear up their own neighborhood because they're angry at the politicians across town.

[goldorak]

Its funny, if you go read the subsim review on the last 3 SH games we go from a score of 100 for SH 3, to 80 something for SH 4 to 70 something for SH5. This is very telling, and I personally don't think the expectations of subsimmers have somehow changed exponentially between SH 3 and SH 5. Wether you think this genre is dying or not, you only have to look at the data. And nobody can say subsim's reviews are biased.
SH 3 with all its defects is still the game to beat. Not graphically of course (even though graphics wise it still stands pretty good) but in terms of global atmosphere. Something that with the sequels is lost a little or by the truckloads.
There is no denying this, from the fisher price UI in SH 5 to the ridiculous name changing of some operations. Falcon 4 got it right almost 12 years ago. A game that scaled from arcade to intermediate to full blown sim. And each stage had its specific "UI". The attitude of wanting to design a one size fits all UI when you're going to market the game to "unwashed masses" out there can only bring greif to players that expect to have in hand a simulation.
SH 5 is also being sold to iphone users. I mean REALLY ? Doesn't this ring an alarm bell somewhere ?
Sh 3 got it all right (even with some bugs, but hey there has never been a simulation without bugs, Falcon 4 had thousands of bugs upon release some of them game breakers so....), and its going to be hard or even impossibile to top it. We expect every sequel to build upon the strenghs of its predecessor, and for the SH series this has not happened. The clock stopped turning with SH 3.
I know when I play a sim, such as Falcon 4, or SH 3 or Orbiter its because of not only learning the theory, the systems, etc... behind it all but also to carry out the operations MYSELF. Why would I want a sim where everything is delegated to AI ? What am'I supposed to do ? Real life captains can delgated to the crew, I as a player don't want to be reduced to a captain, I want the thrill of doing the things myself. Thats were the gratification is.
And this is one of the reasons SH 5 is such an epic fail as far as simulations go.
As an RPG, or a different genre its nice, as a simulations its ridiculous. And the score reflects that perfectly (even though the message is carried across most diplomatically in subsim's review).
:salute:

[OakGroove]

Sometimes ...
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2293/johnsonf.jpg

Ubisoft has choosen radio silence over dialogue, operating in denial mode instead of trying to diffuse the bomb. Since speaking your mind on the corp. forum results at best in dissapearance of the post, at worst of the poster, i´d say this was predictable.

[msxyz]

And yet again time compression won't shut down on the click of your mouse. I finish an objective, plot course back to harbor and activate TC, only to find on nearing the harbor the TC won't shut off on your constant clicks of the mouse in vain and your boat crashes into the uboat pen at "Ludicrous speed".

I tried the dock at port button but now the "entering port" save wont load and crashes back to desktop. The only option would be to start the patrol again....um...no. :damn::nope:

...Rant over.
If you already paid for it, then Ubisoft already reached its goal. :salute:

...and if Ubisoft management is interested only in short term gains (ie most of them will sell their stock option in a couple of year or less), then customer satisfaction is not one of their top priorities.

Welcome to degernate capitalism. Pleace replace "customer is king" sentence with "profit at all costs is king"

[Arclight]

The same people who buy sh5 would have bought VHS recorders over Betamax Systems.

...

ITs the same folks that bought chaep Nvidia cards over quality 3dfx.
TO just name 2 examples.
1 question: do you own any flatscreen monitors, TV perhaps?

Cause, you know, with CRT being technically superior, that would kind of make your whole point utterly hypocritical. :hmmm:

[IanC]

Its funny, if you go read the subsim review on the last 3 SH games we go from a score of 100 for SH 3, to 80 something for SH 4 to 70 something for SH5. This is very telling, and I personally don't think the expectations of subsimmers have somehow changed exponentially between SH 3 and SH 5. Wether you think this genre is dying or not, you only have to look at the data. And nobody can say subsim's reviews are biased.


Exactly.
SH5 is the worst of the bunch. There's nothing more to say really.

[jerm138]

with CRT being technically superior, that would kind of make your whole point utterly hypocritical. :hmmm:

Maybe superior in some ways, but inferior in others... it depends on what's important to you. I can't mount a CRT above my fireplace or carry one with my laptop.

[Gunnodayak]

Good for you sir. Finally looks like people are beginning to stand up and speak out about the problems rather than blindly follow UBI Soft such as many members here. Sad to see Subsim become what it has since the release of SHV.
Congratulations! It seems that I am not the only one who feels that way.

[kiwi_2005]

Ignorance is bliss.

If anyone is expecting reason here its wasted time.

The same people who buy sh5 would have bought VHS recorders over Betamax Systems.

ITs the same folks that bought chaep Nvidia cards over quality 3dfx.
TO just name 2 examples.



Hey man easy on the examples I was one of those VHS people! My first copy of Das boot was VHS ran well till the dog decided to chew up the tape... VHS was good for its day.

As for cheap Nvidia well yeah i brought a cheap GeForce 6200 once ... Never again. :nope:

[Gunnodayak]

Neal, I'm happy for people who are enjoying SH5 in it's current state. More power to them. I don't think those people should be trashed for liking it. What I don't like is when someone starts a thread complaining about SH5, certain people always jump in to defend it, and say the complainers should just go away. And then there are threads praising SH5, and some people jump in there to trash talk SH5 to blow off steam. Maybe there should be only one 'I love SH5, and here's why' thread, and only one 'I hate SH5- and here's why' thread, and no new threads trashing or praising SH5 could be started. That would leave open more room for threads regarding SH5 game play and such. Just an idea. :ping:
I've suggested this idea a long time ago, but it seems it does not have effect on the moderators. Two SH5 forums should be the key, "Pro" and "Against". You would see that way it would be much more silence and harmony in the SH5 forums. It's obvious, but maybe they don't care about the fact that this way, the actual and present one, there will always be some serious friction between the members. And that can be avoided in 90% percent.

[Arclight]

Maybe superior in some ways, but inferior in others... it depends on what's important to you. I can't mount a CRT above my fireplace or carry one with my laptop.
That's what the "technically" is about. ;)

Multiple resolutions without scaling, high contrast, good color accuracy, quick response, etc.

Not bashing anyone for getting a LCD, whatever floats your boat. But making statements like that seems like the pot calling the kettle black to me. :-?

[Bilge_Rat]

I've suggested this idea a long time ago, but it seems it does not have effect on the moderators. Two SH5 forums should be the key, "Pro" and "Against". You would see that way it would be much more silence and harmony in the SH5 forums. It's obvious, but maybe they don't care about the fact that this way, the actual and present one, there will always be some serious friction between the members. And that can be avoided in 90% percent.


Great idea.

There is already a "general topics" forum right here. I would second your proposal that we move all DRM-discussions and threads by posters who do not play SH5 to that forum.

[goldorak]

Great idea.

There is already a "general topics" forum right here. I would second your proposal that we move all DRM-discussions and threads by posters who do not play SH5 to that forum.

Sweep the problem under the rug eh ?
DRM is part of SH 5, and frankly I don't remember dicussions being ostracized from the SH 3 forum during the Starforce debacle.
So people suck it up. If you're not interested in this particular discussion no one will harm you. Just visit the threads you like and leave the other threads alone.
See its not very complicated. Live and let live.

[Nordmann]

Great idea.

There is already a "general topics" forum right here. I would second your proposal that we move all DRM-discussions and threads by posters who do not play SH5 to that forum.

Yes, and we can also set this forum to be viewable to those who have purchased the game only. Great!

[Gunnodayak]

Nordmann and goldorak, I hate SH5 and I was one of his first detractors, but sometimes I think this could be the only way, having two forums. Anyway, if you want to curse SH5, you can join my forum in my signature, you are welcomed! My forum allows everything regarding freedom of speech, no censorship like here.

[Bilge_Rat]

Sweep the problem under the rug eh ?
DRM is part of SH 5, and frankly I don't remember dicussions being ostracized from the SH 3 forum during the Starforce debacle.
So people suck it up. If you're not interested in this particular discussion no one will harm you. Just visit the threads you like and leave the other threads alone.
See its not very complicated. Live and let live.

why are you complaining to me? it's Gunnodayak's suggestion. Take it up with him.

[ReallyDedPoet]

Anyway, if you want to curse SH5, you can join my forum in my signature, you are welcomed! My forum allows everything regarding freedom of speech, no censorship like here.

It's called moderating, and if you ask me the mods here and Neal are very
lenient in how they run things. More people should take the time to read the FAQ & Rules Section: Here (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq.php) They are pretty reasonable in my book :yep:

If folks don't like em' then don't become a member.

[Gunnodayak]

It's called moderating, and if you ask me the mods here and Neal are very
lenient in how they run things. More people should take the time to read the FAQ & Rules Section: Here (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq.php) There pretty reasonable in my book :yep:

If folks don't like em' then don't become a member.
I suppose you know damn well that most of the members here didn't became members for Neal or other moderator's sake. They become members because this was the best place to communicate with other subsimmers. I respect Neal for creating and keeping this forum, it matters a lot. But that won't make me approve instantly every thought or idea that he have. He is doing a decent job as a moderator, some others don't, in my opinion.

[PL_Andrev]

Huh, to play SH5 I must change my GPU, so I wait for opinion about patch 1.2 (or next patches). I can tell "thank you" to Ubisoft - GPU will be cheaper in future, when good patch will be relase...
:yeah:

[Bilge_Rat]

Gunnodayak, I took a look at your forum. It looks very nice. Good luck with it.

[ReallyDedPoet]

I suppose you know damn well that most of the members here didn't became members for Neal or other moderator's sake.

I am not saying they do.

If you were to ask Neal or any of the mods here, they would rather just remain in the shadows and let folks do their thing, talk about subsims, naval history, etc. Also if members can work things out themselves than that is always the best way. And the majority here do, we have many folks here who are truly class acts :yep: It is what makes this place great.

But unfortunately some people just don't get it. Either they don't read or care about the rules or how things work at SUBSIM. And that is unfortunate because two things end up happening: they continue to carry a chip on their shoulder and grow frustrated and leave. Or they end up being thrown in the brig a few times or get banned. In the end neither sounds like a very constructive option to me.

Edit: Just saw this from your site.

Although you are sometimes in the heat of battle, remember that you are officers. So please behave like gentlemen.

Not much different from here really.

[thyro]

I simply love this forum because is open to discussion and ideas. I do not like SH5 as it stands specially because DRM crap and I won't buy neither I suggest its purchase because of that and also because it is a total unfinished product.

It is not a matter of pro-piracy or not, UBI did a good step of applying DRM with excuse of being anti-piracy but is a buch of bullocks. It is a matter of controlling players end-of-story... For me, SH5 or any other game name with such DRM can be kept in a shelve until its name/softwarehouse drops from existence. There are ways to contervene piracy but assuming that we all are pirates is a step too far to me.

I do not subscribe fully Neil's review because IN MY OPINION did not give enough enhasis on the DRM and what it means for players. But apart of that and till now I've not commented simply because it is his review therefore based on his opinion which he is entitled. SH5 as a game is half product which doesn't help, now half product plus DRM = a no go for me or any one that wants to purchase a game not a service.

Everyone is entitle to their own opinion and until now this forum and community has been open to discuss the different arguments. Thing that is unique in this forum and the only reason why I love it.

Some do/would like SH5 as it is others like my self do not like SH5 and what it stands atm with DRM. Having different kind of DRM a check only rather than a service would simply be a game... until then is rubish to me.

But everyone is entitle to their opinion and opinions can and do change when matters are discussed... :salute:

[Coldcall]

I think the prob with SH series currently is a strategic disconnect between the Romanian developers (who clearly are very talented, intellectually ambitious and seem to want to produce the best ever subsim) and the owner/publisher Ubisoft who must bear the responsibility of pushing the game out the door in a horrible state. Not horrible as a game, but horrible because of arguably game-breaking bugs.

Seeing what could be a great game, be dragged through the mud because of insistence on DRM and the bugs is the real shocker for me. This game has oodles of charcter and potential. Okay the devs made some choices i dont agree with but on the whole one can only be impressed by the *ambition* in SH5.

My advice to the devs is go and start their own business because they know how to make an excellent subsim (qa needs to be totally isolated from development) and could get funding for the next game no probs.

Gaming is one of the few growing industires today in a rather depressed western economy. There's plenty of cash sitting on the siedelines out there in VC houses and i am in NO doubt whatsoever that the SH5 team could just walk away from Ubi, take their knowledge and make a new subsim with a dynamic campoaign and call it something else.

Make it relatively bug-free release and you have a winner on your hands, no probs 200k + sales conservatively. Reviewers will compare retrocactively to last SH rleases with all bugs, comparison can only be good.

Just do it!

[Uber Gruber]

I've never met anyone in these forums personaly. You could be a figment of an AI programmers imagination for all I know. I don't really care to be honest, though I do prefer t converse with humans as a rule...and sheep.

I come here mostly to get the mods, read about modding, pop into the SH5 forum to wind a few of the usual suspects up, nicely like, and have a pop at SH5, which is the worst game i've ever witnessed (yep, even worse than Leisure Suite Larry).

I find some of the regulars here very funny, and some I find completely forgettable. I've no time for reading rants but I love ranting myself. I've no time for personal abuse but a wind up is jolly good fun. I've a little sympathy for pedantic old farts who cling to history as the world pulls forward from under them, well they are quite quaint and someone needs to champion the old social glue whilst we're all busy mixing the new stuff.

I don't think the community really cares about itself, I think it lacks any real voice and the will the leverage its numbers. But then maybe the owner just wants a place to pop in and have a chat, vent some spleen and pick up the latest and greatest mod.....nothing wrong in that.

So all in, SubSim is fun......and long may she stay that way.

Oh, and i'm having 'naughty but nice' thoughts about Mookie. :rock:

Cheers, UG

[mookiemookie]

But everyone is entitle to their opinion and opinions can and do change when matters are discussed... :salute:

Is everyone entitled to express their opinion in such an aggressive and divisive way and with so much hand-wringing doomsayer hyperbole so as to create friction and bad blood in the community? That, I believe, is the point at hand.

[rededge]

I like cheese. :yeah:

+1 :D

[Bilge_Rat]

I think the prob with SH series currently is a strategic disconnect between the Romanian developers (who clearly are very talented, intellectually ambitious and seem to want to produce the best ever subsim) and the owner/publisher Ubisoft who must bear the responsibility of pushing the game out the door in a horrible state. Not horrible as a game, but horrible because of arguably game-breaking bugs.



you know I keep seeing these posts and I keep wondering what game they are referring to..:hmmm:

SH5 has a few now well documented issues, most of which appear to be fixed by the upcoming patch. I have been playing it for a few weeks and there are no "game-breaking bugs".

If you guys want to be taken seriously around here, you have to base your opinion on facts, just repeating over and over again that the game is "broken" and "unplayable", does not make it so...:ping:

[Coldcall]

you know I keep seeing these posts and I keep wondering what game they are referring to..:hmmm:

SH5 has a few now well documented issues, most of which appear to be fixed by the upcoming patch. I have been playing it for a few weeks and there are no "game-breaking bugs".

If you guys want to be taken seriously around here, you have to base your opinion on facts, just repeating over and over again that the game is "broken" and "unplayable", does not make it so...:ping:


If i want to be taken seriosuly around here? WTF does that mean? Is there some sort of lil club that i should strive to be worthy of? Am i serious enough to join etc...

You also need to read posts with a bit more nuance because i said "arguably" which indicates that the writer ackonwledges that the point is controversial.

And its relativley simple to make the case that the game is unplayable from many different perspectives, of time, what features were clearly supposed to be in the game but dont work, an AI that is such a joke one can basically rambo through the whole campaign. Is that a game, or a demomnstration? No challenge whatsoever. Morale system totally BROKEN.

But lets get one thing absolutely clear, i dont wanna be in your gang, serious or not :-)

[Subwolf]

I'm not told about incoming radio messages unless I check the log. Missed convoys because of this, can't believe it, they call this realistic? Another major blunder by Ubi :nope:

[Bilge_Rat]

You also need to read posts with a bit more nuance because i said "arguably" which indicates that the writer ackonwledges that the point is controversial.

And its relativley simple to make the case that the game is unplayable from many different perspectives, of time, what features were clearly supposed to be in the game but dont work, an AI that is such a joke one can basically rambo through the whole campaign. Is that a game, or a demomnstration? No challenge whatsoever. Morale system totally BROKEN.



I am not sure if I see the "nuance" in that last paragraph, but maybe if you keep repeating it over and over and over again, the rest of us who actually play and enjoy the game, despite its current bugs, will finally realize that the game is "unplayable". :salute:

[Gunnodayak]

Please tell me if I am wrong, but as far as I know, there were only "Against SH5" members that were being thrown in the brig or banned, due to SH5 pro or against arguments. Can somebody confirm or deny that?
By the way, Coldcall, you're the man!

[mookiemookie]

Please tell me if I am wrong, but as far as I know, there were only "Against SH5" members that were being thrown in the brig or banned, due to SH5 pro or against arguments. Can somebody confirm or deny that?
By the way, Coldcall, you're the man!

People aren't brigged or banned for their opinions. People are brigged or banned for acting outside the forum rules -i.e. generally being knuckleheads.

[Gunnodayak]

People aren't brigged or banned for their opinions. People are brigged or banned for acting outside the forum rules -i.e. generally being knuckleheads.
OK, but isn't that a little strange that in majority of the cases the "against SH5" members are considered "knuckleheads" by the moderators? Is there a "right direction" regarding SH5 UBI product that moderators feel the need to show us subliminally? Or maybe I am wrong, it's just that I may have a rich imagination. But it's not that bad having that, it helps me not having the urge to see toilets or talking to the crew about their wives in a so-called by some here "simulation" game. Immersion is in the mind of the beholder, but a manual TDC is always a manual TDC.

[Bilge_Rat]

I will probably regret this, but it's like shooting fish in a barrel....









OK, but isn't that a little strange that in majority of the cases the "against SH5" members are considered "knuckleheads" by the moderators?


...well...when the shoe fits...

[mookiemookie]

From what I've seen, it usually is the anti-SH5 crowd that have been the most "in your face" and antagonistic about things, personally attacking and harassing other members, advocating piracy and other bannable/brigable offenses.

[Catfish]

Hello,
it is one thing to sue people for actively breaking, or advising doing something against, the law.

It is another thing to "blindly" sue people due to an assumed breaking a law, that indeed is still a grey zone, because companies galloped ahead with their DRM models without waiting what the courts have to say about it - e.g. this online requirement idea, which most probably will soon be forbidden, in the EU.
"Piracy" is the excuse of companies for introducing an online requirement, that can only lead to an all-the-time online pay-per-play, sooner or later.

So if there is obvious injustice and abuse of customers, is it right to support the companies regardless what they do, in anticipatory obedience, only because the case has not been yet decided, and the public law not yet been defined ?

Only a question,
thanks and greetings,
Catfish

[Coldcall]

I am not sure if I see the "nuance" in that last paragraph, but maybe if you keep repeating it over and over and over again, the rest of us who actually play and enjoy the game, despite its current bugs, will finally realize that the game is "unplayable". :salute:

You really are obtuse arent you? NO you clearly dont get the nuance at all because you seem to have assumed that i hate the game and dont play it. I was very clear in my post to say underneatrh the bugs its a good game.

Yes and you totally missed the "arguably" part like a bull in a china shop.

So you really are barking up the wrong tree. Now instead of realising your error, you just keep digging with more false assumptions.

Such as "rest of us who actually play and enjoy the game".

Where did i say i dont play and enjoy the game? And since when did you
suddenly proclaim yourself the leader of the pro-Ubisoft fanboi club? hmmm :-)

[Faamecanic]

GOOD GRIEF another i hate/love sh5 :oops: post I dont own it but keep coming back to check on sh3 stuff and glance into sh5 fourm for hope that someday sh5 may be worth pickin up .................................................. ............:shifty::shifty: ...............owell not yet personally sh3 rocks my world with some of those recent mods really neat stuff so i sub on untill sh5 players get on the same page :rock:

Personally I look at it this way.....

If only ONE post was made per major sim forum and Ubi's forum, Ubi would say "Look there is only one post that isnt pleased with us.....arent we wonderful"

If the forums are filled with dipleased cutomers, CONSTRUCTIVELY critizing the lack of customer service exhibited by UBI...then they have no choice but to see the disgust. Couple this with PLENTY of Negative Reviews (PC Gamer gave them a decent review "the pre-release code was close to bug free"....wtf?? did they play the same game we have?) and the customers now have a voice.

And even then UBI will ignore what we dont like, and blame poor sales on "lack of customers interested in this genre" instead of pointing the finger in their own direction by releasing a product that seems like it barely made it through Alpha testing.

[janh]

If i want to be taken seriosuly around here? WTF does that mean? Is there some sort of lil club that i should strive to be worthy of? Am i serious enough to join etc...

Real life is a bit more complicated type of simulation... If you want to argue, or make a point, you have to support it properly. Ideally with a credible reference or a sound logic that pursues it back to something unarguably correct. If you can't, it remains but an opinion or idea -- everyone has at least one, they are cheap and readily available, but they don't have a high market value.

[Coldcall]

From what I've seen, it usually is the anti-SH5 crowd that have been the most "in your face" and antagonistic about things, personally attacking and harassing other members, advocating piracy and other bannable/brigable offenses.

Well Bilgerat is doing a good job of falsifying that theory :-)

But seriously not everyone who criticises UBI is necessarily anti SH5. I'm pro the devs as they were clealry trying to deliver a great sub sim, but they and UBi, who control the release, are not one and the same.

[Coldcall]

Real life is a bit more complicated type of simulation... If you want to argue, or make a point, you have to support it properly. Ideally with a credible reference or a sound logic that pursues it back to something unarguably correct. If you can't, it remains but an opinion or idea -- everyone has at least one, they are cheap and readily available, but they don't have a high market value.

LOL ya whatever :-)

[Faamecanic]

Sweep the problem under the rug eh ?
DRM is part of SH 5, and frankly I don't remember dicussions being ostracized from the SH 3 forum during the Starforce debacle.
So people suck it up. If you're not interested in this particular discussion no one will harm you. Just visit the threads you like and leave the other threads alone.
See its not very complicated. Live and let live.

Trust me ...people that were ticked about Starforce (and other bugs that were never fixed in SH3) were flamed regularly. As were the people not happy with SH4 and all the bugs it has even after a PAID patch release (Uboat missions). :nope:

[Faamecanic]

But seriously not everyone who criticises UBI is necessarily anti SH5. I'm pro the devs as they were clealry trying to deliver a great sub sim, but they and UBi, who control the release, are not one and the same.


I saw the SAME comment in the SH3 forums at release (and well after) AND the SH 4 forums (again well after). And with that I heard "Mods will make this GREAT" with all releases.

This alone should tell people all they need to know about UBI's buisness practices..... and I think people are entitled to have a low opinion of UBI given they release DUNG every freakin time, and rely on FREE MODS to fix their product.

I also think its lunacy when with SH4 UBI blames low sales on the "lack of niche market interest"... yet the MOD community is large enough and talented enough to fix their sim FOR THEM and make it playable.

And I would be willing to bet $100 that UBI will again blame low sales on "lack of a market" like I stated in my post above.

[mookiemookie]

Well Bilgerat is doing a good job of falsifying that theory :-)

But seriously not everyone who criticises UBI is necessarily anti SH5. I'm pro the devs as they were clealry trying to deliver a great sub sim, but they and UBi, who control the release, are not one and the same.

Oh trust me, I'm not saying that at all. I've personally started a couple of threads about my frustrations and criticisms of SH5. So I'm definitely not saying that everyone who criticizes SH5 is doing so in an obnoxious manner. I've seen many hard hitting and mature criticisms of the game, and many that I agree with. What I am saying is that the people acting obnoxiously are usually in the anti-SH5 camp.

[Coldcall]

Oh trust me, I'm not saying that at all. I've personally started a couple of threads about my frustrations and criticisms of SH5. So I'm definitely not saying that everyone who criticizes SH5 is doing so in an obnoxious manner. I've seen many hard hitting and mature criticisms of the game, and many that I agree with. What I am saying is that the people acting obnoxiously are usually in the anti-SH5 camp.

Okay but even folks who make the loudest noise criticising SH5 are not really anti-SH5. From what i can tell there are plenty of very dissapointed subsim fans who expected a better release. Some of them denounce the whole game as total crap which i would not agree with as i think there are some great things about SH5. But then on the other hand, we see folks like Bilgerat who have clearly become so defensive about SH5 they are no longer reading posts correctly, and are themselves over-reacting to perfectly reasonable criticisms of the game.

[Coldcall]

I saw the SAME comment in the SH3 forums at release (and well after) AND the SH 4 forums (again well after). And with that I heard "Mods will make this GREAT" with all releases.

This alone should tell people all they need to know about UBI's buisness practices..... and I think people are entitled to have a low opinion of UBI given they release DUNG every freakin time, and rely on FREE MODS to fix their product.

I also think its lunacy when with SH4 UBI blames low sales on the "lack of niche market interest"... yet the MOD community is large enough and talented enough to fix their sim FOR THEM and make it playable.

And I would be willing to bet $100 that UBI will again blame low sales on "lack of a market" like I stated in my post above.

Ubisoft's CEo is infamous for pulling the most feeble excuses for poor sales of a title, so none of that surprises me too much.

Like i said before the devs should leave Ubi and go make their own subsim and call it something else. There is a large market for it, and funding would not be a problem when they can show a track record of their SH work.

[Faamecanic]

Oh trust me, I'm not saying that at all. I've personally started a couple of threads about my frustrations and criticisms of SH5. So I'm definitely not saying that everyone who criticizes SH5 is doing so in an obnoxious manner. I've seen many hard hitting and mature criticisms of the game, and many that I agree with. What I am saying is that the people acting obnoxiously are usually in the anti-SH5 camp.

I seriously hope Im not in that obnoxious list.... I have been a subsim forum member for a long time now, and a great supporter of the outstanding talent we have in our modders.

But with that said....I was hoping among hope that THIS release would at least be up to SH3 par bug wise. SADLY it is NOT. Couple that with the horrid DRM, and the dumbing down of the sim...and I have been VER VERY disappointed and maybe more vociferous than normal. Especially after seeing each release get worse and worse...and UBI blaming the "niche" market for not buying the game. Im afraid this will be the end of UBI's publishing the SH series (and of course they will not sell/give up the rights to the franchise or the engine for someone else to do it RIGHT!)

And I have NEVER bashed the Devs....I know the blame lies solely at Ubi's feet again.

And by dumbing down I mean:

1) The UI is OK for the arcade folks (I miss our old UI...while not perfect at least you felt like you could manage the sub)

2) The stupid high requirements for tonnage.... hello...History?

3) The idiotic names given to certain speeds INSANE/LUDICRIOUS/CRAZY speed ahead...instead of FLANK speed... a common navy term. I feel more like Im in an episode of SPACE BALLS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuFAFPjbdy4&feature=related

4) Liberety Cargo ships in 1939??? WTF???? Not to nitpick but my goodness..... this is laughable.

Just to name a few.....

[Gunnodayak]

3) The idiotic names given to certain speeds INSANE/LUDICRIOUS/CRAZY speed ahead...instead of FLANK speed... a common navy term. I feel more like Im in an episode of SPACE BALLS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuFAFPjbdy4&feature=related


That was a good one! :haha: Let's see the bright side, folks! Now I am starting to see things clear, and understand what the martyred devs ("poor" ole' them ... I am almost shedding a tear thinking about their "suffering" and the med eve torture they've received from the UBI HQ ...) and UBI suits wanted to accomplish: to make SH5 a pretty decent joke, not a game. They made a pretty decent job in that area, i must admit, they've proved the required potential to launch themselves in the humour business.

Yes, it was probably a UBI suit keeping a Magnum 44 at one of the devs head saying to him: "You won't implement historical speed in the game , you will use my line, you know, that funny one, with the "LUDICRIOUS" speed!"

Fortunately, I am almost through with frustration felt while expecting a subsim and receiving a Beta RPG/Shooter game instead.

[Kptlt_Lynch]

:D I vote Yoda for Moderator!!!

[Bilge_Rat]

You really are obtuse arent you? NO you clearly dont get the nuance at all because you seem to have assumed that i hate the game and dont play it. I was very clear in my post to say underneatrh the bugs its a good game.

Yes and you totally missed the "arguably" part like a bull in a china shop.

So you really are barking up the wrong tree. Now instead of realising your error, you just keep digging with more false assumptions.

Such as "rest of us who actually play and enjoy the game".

Where did i say i dont play and enjoy the game? And since when did you
suddenly proclaim yourself the leader of the pro-Ubisoft fanboi club? hmmm :-)

Good grief man, what is your problem?

Go back and read my original reply. It was not addressed to you, but to "you guys" and I was using your thread as an example. My reply was a totally fair comment. If you are going to make blanket statements about SH5, you have to expect to be debated.

Your last post however was a clear violation of the forum rules, since you are personally attacking and insulting a fellow forum member. Unless you retract your statement and apologize, I will be forced to report your post to the moderators.

[mikeydredd]

Seriously - reading this thread has given me the best laugh I have had for ages. I was literally laughing out loud at this - epecially the word "DUNG"!

I'm in tears just writing that! Gawd love us.

On a "serious" note I have now seen this running on a mate's rig. No - not mine I hasten to add, as I won't buy it.

This is what struck me - and all this should be taken "seriously" -

Planes buzzing by without attacking - are they serious?

Flak gunners taking no notice of said planes - are they serious?

The radio op not even letting anybody know about incomong messages - are they serious?

Clocks that don't even tell the time - are they serious?

Missing compass - are they serious?

Talking to crew and they turn away or spin in circles - are they serious?

Talking to crew about their wives/mothers christ knows who - are they serious?

The cook and his magic soup that makes the sub go faster and torps go further - are they serious?!!!!!!!

Ad nauseam. . . .

Seriously - if anybody can seriously defend these things in a so called "serious" sub sim - and expect to be taken seriously, then all I can say is they need to have a serious word with themselves.

Note I didn't even mention the DRM - are they serio.... no, had enough now.

Serious head off now. The only word that sums all this up for me is - DUNG:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl 2:

Dredd :arrgh!:

[Gunnodayak]

I will be forced to report your post to the moderators.

Seriously now ... how old are you?:DL

[Coldcall]

Good grief man, what is your problem?

Go back and read my original reply. It was not addressed to you, but to "you guys" and I was using your thread as an example. My reply was a totally fair comment. If you are going to make blanket statements about SH5, you have to expect to be debated.

Your last post however was a clear violation of the forum rules, since you are personally attacking and insulting a fellow forum member. Unless you retract your statement and apologize, I will be forced to report your post to the moderators.

What is your problem? Who is "you guys"? And if you were not necessarily talking about me then dont append your nonsense to my post.

I'm not going to apologise to you unless you apologise to me for totally over-reacting to my post, and instead of realising your error you just made more incorrect assumptions about my motives.

Go ahead and complain. I think any fair reading of the exchange will find i have been remakably polite after being misrepresented numerous times, and you continue to do so after i have tried to point this out to you.

PS: Just got to add Bilgerat that for someone who is complaining about me complaingin about the bugs in SH5, you sure are quick off the mark to complain to the moderators. I suppose the irony is wasted on you :-)

[Nordmann]

Now, now, come on people. This is a fair and equal forum (insofar as the TOS allows), everyone is entitled to their opinions, and rightly so. There's no need to start attacking one another.

Some people like SH5, fair play. Some don't, again, all's fair. Both those who like, and those who dislike, are fully entitled to post on this forum.

[Bilge_Rat]

Seriously now ... how old are you?:DL

Old enough not to be addressed in that manner...:nope:

Why, how old are you dear?

[Gunnodayak]

Old enough not to be addressed in that manner...:nope:

Why, how old are you dear?
I am 31 and I think it's not so nice to be a "rat", even when your nickname is "Bilge_Rat" ... If you know what I mean.

[IanC]

I've never met anyone in these forums personaly. You could be a figment of an AI programmers imagination for all I know. I don't really care to be honest, though I do prefer t converse with humans as a rule...and sheep.

I come here mostly to get the mods, read about modding, pop into the SH5 forum to wind a few of the usual suspects up, nicely like, and have a pop at SH5, which is the worst game i've ever witnessed (yep, even worse than Leisure Suite Larry).

I find some of the regulars here very funny, and some I find completely forgettable. I've no time for reading rants but I love ranting myself. I've no time for personal abuse but a wind up is jolly good fun. I've a little sympathy for pedantic old farts who cling to history as the world pulls forward from under them, well they are quite quaint and someone needs to champion the old social glue whilst we're all busy mixing the new stuff.

I don't think the community really cares about itself, I think it lacks any real voice and the will the leverage its numbers. But then maybe the owner just wants a place to pop in and have a chat, vent some spleen and pick up the latest and greatest mod.....nothing wrong in that.

So all in, SubSim is fun......and long may she stay that way.

Oh, and i'm having 'naughty but nice' thoughts about Mookie. :rock:

Cheers, UG

You sir, are a a complex human being. A mind that sparkles like a diamond held up to the bright sunshine.
That is the beauty of you.

[Onkel Neal]

Please tell me if I am wrong, but as far as I know, there were only "Against SH5" members that were being thrown in the brig or banned, due to SH5 pro or against arguments. Can somebody confirm or deny that?
By the way, Coldcall, you're the man!


So, what you're suggesting is that Subsim is too hard on people who are against SH5 in an SH5 forum?

Predict the future, tell me what I think about that. What do you think I will say?

[Nordmann]

I rather thought that the people being brigged/banned, were the ones discussing or openly admitting piracy?

Those are the only ones I've seen so far.

[Gunnodayak]

So, what you're suggesting is that Subsim is too hard on people who are against SH5 in an SH5 forum?

Predict the future, tell me what I think about that. What do you think I will say?
I am not a future teller, to know what you think and yes, I find that a little strange, the zeal in showing us somehow the direction, the way to "look" at SH5. I am not talking about you, I am talking about somebody else, and I am not in the mood for starting a conflict again.

[ENtek-IO]

1 question: do you own any flatscreen monitors, TV perhaps?

Cause, you know, with CRT being technically superior, that would kind of make your whole point utterly hypocritical. :hmmm:

I bet that you would like to hear that but i must disappoint you, i rejected the garbage Flat displays.
I use a 16:9 Sony trinitron tv bought in 1998.
I am useing Eizo flexscan monitors since 94,my first one a F56 gave up the ghost 2 years ago,after more then 12 years!! ,lost the green component.

But luckily for me all those Idi..,..who had dumped theirs flooded the used market.I made it like the movie company's and their editing professionals
i was able to secure several!! Eizo F5X CRT`s.

I am fine for the next 20TY years and i will let all those drag downers pay for the crap they deserve.
:salute:

[ENtek-IO]

Hey man easy on the examples I was one of those VHS people! My first copy of Das boot was VHS ran well till the dog decided to chew up the tape... VHS was good for its day.

As for cheap Nvidia well yeah i brought a cheap GeForce 6200 once ... Never again. :nope:

Well i bet you would have had more fun with a copy on Video 2000 or Betamax both vastly superior picture and audio quality wise then VHS.

It was futile in those days to expect reason and its today!

[Arclight]

Very well, I admit defeat. :salute:

I must even admit it gives me some joy to hear there are still people who know how to appreciate a good bit of tech, even if it's a little bulky. :)

2 CRT TV's, about 7 monitors, and 1 crappy LCD (not because it's LCD, but because it's cheap) which was gifted to me.

[Reaves]

Well i bet you would have had more fun with a copy on Video 2000 or Betamax both vastly superior picture and audio quality wise then VHS.

It was futile in those days to expect reason and its today!


Oh nooo... Beta...

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[Webster]

From what I've seen, it usually is the anti-SH5 crowd that have been the most "in your face" and antagonistic about things, personally attacking and harassing other members, advocating piracy and other bannable/brigable offenses.


IMO in the beginning it was the other way around where the pro sh5 posters were blindly pumping praise on the game within hours or the first few days before even giving it any sort of realistic critic objectivity.

now it has swung in the opposite direction where sh5 has done ok and looks great even with lots of major issues still to be resolved it looks to have great promise.

many who hoped it would do much worse then it has have been more vocal lately and often dont care to be or just dont want to be objective in their critc of the game.

most people posting "opinion" posts view the game with preconcieved notions of how it is and only cherry pick the facts that seam to confirm their ideas about it.

the pendulum swings both ways and it will be a while before most are of a like mind in their opinions of the game so where is the harm in letting people rant and let their frustrations out, as long as they do it in an adult responsible way that doesnt include insults to those who have differing opinions.

[Webster]

I rather thought that the people being brigged/banned, were the ones discussing or openly admitting piracy?

Those are the only ones I've seen so far.

yep, piracy usually but repeatedly getting infractions for several instances of doing things to earn more infractions can add up to a ban but it seldom happens unless someone refuses to stop bad actions like trolling

[karamazovnew]

So, what you're suggesting is that Subsim is too hard on people who are against SH5 in an SH5 forum?

Predict the future, tell me what I think about that. What do you think I will say?

From what I've seen, all people brig-banned lately were on the line of:
"I HATE THIS GAME!!!! Thank god I pirated it!!! Unlike the suckers who payed for this cra..." BAN_IN_THE_FACE. :haha: Otherwise we're free to say what we want about the game. But alas, freedom comes at a big price. That price is server disk space...

I'm a very lazy man myself so i never write unless there's a good reason for it: a joke, a suggestion, another joke, a request, a thanks. Complaining endlessly about a game which:
1. You haven't bought
2. You haven't played (different from number 1, since SH5 DID get cracked)
3. You have bought, played, was given the chance to return it but didn't.
4. You have bought, played, and returned it
is almost by definition TROLLING. I'm actually amazed at Neal's patience with some posters. People who can only "contribute" with "this game sucks, you all suck, I love SH3+4, how can you like this _hit? You all suck!" over and over and over and over again, are trolls and should be, at the very least, ignored.

I hate what they've done with SH5 and expected much much more from the game. Now I'm waiting for the 1.2 patch and looking at the mods section for improvements. You don't hear me yapping about it in every post, now do you?

PS: BTW, all the "you"s in this post didn't mean you Neal :D

[Bilge_Rat]

You are free to say what you want about the game, but whether you like the game or hate it, whenever you post on this forum, you have to expect that your statements may be challenged.

You are then expected to be able to defend your statements. This is a discussion forum, not a public posturing forum.

You are also expected to be able to defend your positions without resorting to personal insults. When someone resorts to personal insults, it usually means one of two things, either he has a weak argument or he is not mature and intelligent enough to have a ...mature and intelligent debate.

We have all seen other forums, like the Ubi forums, where "debates" are just a series of insults. This is the Subsim forum, not the Ubi forum. We expect members here to hold to a higher standard. I presume I am not the only one who still holds on to that ideal?

[Bilge_Rat]

I am 31 and I think it's not so nice to be a "rat", even when your nickname is "Bilge_Rat" ... If you know what I mean.


I have been called worse things by better people.

[Pascal]

I will no longer play, simply because the spirit of the game, with stupid objectif, is made for players age between 13 and 15 old.
Wake up me when a Mod will change all that for an adult game.
Thank you and good night

[Méo]

From what I've seen, all people brig-banned lately were on the line of:
"I HATE THIS GAME!!!! Thank god I pirated it!!! Unlike the suckers who payed for this cra..." BAN_IN_THE_FACE. :haha: Otherwise we're free to say what we want about the game. But alas, freedom comes at a big price. That price is server disk space...

I'm a very lazy man myself so i never write unless there's a good reason for it: a joke, a suggestion, another joke, a request, a thanks. Complaining endlessly about a game which:
1. You haven't bought
2. You haven't played (different from number 1, since SH5 DID get cracked)
3. You have bought, played, was given the chance to return it but didn't.
4. You have bought, played, and returned it
is almost by definition TROLLING.

+1 :rock:

Could not agree more!!!

I'm actually amazed at Neal's patience with some posters. People who can only "contribute" with "this game sucks, you all suck, I love SH3+4, how can you like this _hit? You all suck!" over and over and over and over again, are trolls and should be, at the very least, ignored.

Once again!!! :rock::rock::rock:

I hate what they've done with SH5 and expected much much more from the game. Now I'm waiting for the 1.2 patch and looking at the mods section for improvements. You don't hear me yapping about it in every post, now do you?

I wouldn't say I hate, but I've been disappointed too, maybe it's because I wasn't surprised that I got over it quickly.

Looking forward the coming months (if not years), but if we can't get real wolfpacks (AI operated boats forming wolfpacks with real interaction with BdU), at this moment I think I'll really hate what they've done with SH5.

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Overall, GREAT post karamazovnew!!!

There should be a sticky about what you said.

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I presume I am not the only one who still holds on to that ideal?

No you're not the only one. ;)

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1333983#post1333983)
So, what you're suggesting is that Subsim is too hard on people who are against SH5 in an SH5 forum?

Predict the future, tell me what I think about that. What do you think I will say?

Gunnodayak: I am not a future teller, to know what you think and yes, I find that a little strange, the zeal in showing us somehow the direction, the way to "look" at SH5. I am not talking about you, I am talking about somebody else, and I am not in the mood for starting a conflict again.


You know what I will say :DL (because I have to say it every 4~5 days): I do not care if you (or anyone) decides you do not like SH5, or you decide not to buy it. That's fine. But you know, it does get old when people who do not like/do not own a game habitually pop into the forum and vent. A few times, ok, but all the time? That's not healthy. My job as the forum admin is to keep this place in line with our standards. Do you want a forum where people attack each other and put down the games constantly? (http://www.cracked.com/funny-3832-flame-war/) I don't.

Why do we need to keep discussing this?



We have all seen other forums, like the Ubi forums, where "debates" are just a series of insults. This is the Subsim forum, not the Ubi forum. We expect members here to hold to a higher standard. I presume I am not the only one who still holds on to that ideal?

Yes, that's our mission statement. Of course, we know when a new game comes out like SH5, a lot of people come out of the woodwork. Many new people, and many old guys here. Some want to vent about something they don't like in the game, that's fine, as long as they do it intellegently. Same with those who want to praise the game, thoughtful, well-worded posts are desired here.

And some show up to throw out bad vibes and insult people who disagree with them, call them "sheeple" and other derogatory remarks. It's not appreciated, and it cannot go on forever. Being rude, topic spamming, and poisoning the well are not allowed here.

From what I've seen, all people brig-banned lately were on the line of:
"I HATE THIS GAME!!!! Thank god I pirated it!!! Unlike the suckers who payed for this cra..." BAN_IN_THE_FACE. :haha: Otherwise we're free to say what we want about the game. But alas, freedom comes at a big price. That price is server disk space...

I'm a very lazy man myself so i never write unless there's a good reason for it: a joke, a suggestion, another joke, a request, a thanks. Complaining endlessly about a game which:
1. You haven't bought
2. You haven't played (different from number 1, since SH5 DID get cracked)
3. You have bought, played, was given the chance to return it but didn't.
4. You have bought, played, and returned it
is almost by definition TROLLING. I'm actually amazed at Neal's patience with some posters. People who can only "contribute" with "this game sucks, you all suck, I love SH3+4, how can you like this _hit? You all suck!" over and over and over and over again, are trolls and should be, at the very least, ignored.

I hate what they've done with SH5 and expected much much more from the game. Now I'm waiting for the 1.2 patch and looking at the mods section for improvements. You don't hear me yapping about it in every post, now do you?

PS: BTW, all the "you"s in this post didn't mean you Neal :D

I know, thanks, man. Well said.