Oh, my!!!!

[Torvald Von Mansee]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/20100323/ts_dailybeast/7269_scarynewgoppoll

[Ducimus]

Heh..think he's and believe that

etc etc blah blah.

I'm not an Obama fan, nor a fan of either party, but ya know... the republican party needs to get off the rhetorical bandwagon, get a f____load more objective, and a lot less emotional. Seems like all i hear coming out of them is just more of the same old emtionally charged rhetoric that sounds like it came out of the cold war or the McCarthy era.

[August]

Heh.. and

etc etc blah blah.

I'm not an Obama fan, nor a fan of either party, but ya know... the republican party needs to get off the rhetorical bandwagon, get a f____load more objective, and a lot less emotional. Seems like all i hear coming out of them is just more of the same old emtionally charged rhetoric that sounds like it came out of the cold war or the McCarthy era.

C'mon now you don't actually believe that "report" do you?

[Torvald Von Mansee]

C'mon now you don't actually believe that "report" do you?

Maybe you should read up on them before saying silly things:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris_poll

[Fr8monkey]

This goes along with the Reps. using fear to advance their party (http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.retirement/2010-03/msg00570.html); obviously because they have nothing to offer...

[August]

Maybe you should read up on them before saying silly things:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris_poll

Dude I know what a Harris poll is. The link you posted in the OP is from some wierd Yahoo website calling itself "The Daily Beast". That's like asking me to take a National Enquirer article seriously. :rotfl2:

BTW I love the comments. I suppose you didn't read those eh?

[CaptainHaplo]

Quotes are taken from the OP link:

"We are playing with dynamite by demonizing our president and dividing the United States in the process."

Odd - that didn't seem to stop those who were politically opposed to George Bush from demonizing him now did it? *For the record -I didn't care for GWB either* The "satires" calling for Bush to be assassinated were somehow "funny", but the same calls for it against Obama are somehow "scary".

The reality is that the such things are wrong on both sides... but of course calling down "your side" (whichever side that may be) doesn't seem to happen.

"These numbers all come from a brand-new Harris poll, inspired in part by my new book WingNuts" Gee - a poll inspired by a book that makes it clear that it has an bias...... and somehow the results are "scary"? Polls manipulate based on the questions they ask, and when they are founded or inspired from a specific angle - they reflect the VIEWS of that angle. Thankfully it didn't call itself objective, though it was presented by the OP as such....

The author (and I use that term loosely) hosts a segment on CNN called "Wingnut of the Week" - but he describes himself as a "moderate centrists" - whatever that is.

It is nothing new for Presidents to be threatened. Happened all the time with GWB - but the media - for ideoligical reasons - rarely reported it. However, due to the support they have for this administration, any issue is made more visible.

Doubt that there were people who advovated for GWB to be killed?

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621#photos (http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621#photos) (Photos showing numerous people advocating killing the sitting president)

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/nation/stories/DN-peace_12nat.ART.State.Edition1.43b8067.html (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/nation/stories/DN-peace_12nat.ART.State.Edition1.43b8067.html) (Irish Nobel Peace winner gets standing ovation after stating she wanted to kill GWB)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2009/jun/12/george-bush-assassination-videogame-virtual-jihadi (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2009/jun/12/george-bush-assassination-videogame-virtual-jihadi) (Game depicts Bush assassination)

I could go on and on - but the facts speak for themselves. Politically - death threats are made. They are wrong regardless of ideology. November is when the political cost will be paid. But the OP "article" and "poll" need to be seen for what they are. A political hack job - by a political hack.

[Fr8monkey]

... but of course calling down "your side" (whichever side that may be) doesn't seem to happen.



I never liked Bush, but I never subscribed to killing him. I think the point is the 'right' when Bush was in office called these nutjubs terrorists. Now that they are in the minority, why aren't they (the Right) criticizing their people doing it? Are the Right "wingnuts" now patriots, or still terrorists?

Otherwise, I agree with you.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

That's like asking me to take a National Enquirer article seriously.

No, I'm asking you to take a Harris poll seriously.

As for The Daily Beast:

"The Daily Beast contributors include: Christopher Buckley, Scott Turow, Mark McKinnon, Douglas Rushkoff, Matthew Yglesias, Meghan McCain, Reihan Salam, Tony Blair, Condoleezza Rice, Gerald Posner, Simon Schama, Eric Alterman, Reza Aslan, and others including Brown herself."

Yep. A real fly-by-night and partisan operation, there. Named after a fictional newspaper from an Evelyn Waugh novel. Truly low brow.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

A political hack job - by a political hack.

But enough about your post and yourself.

[Skybird]

A socialist Muslim anti-Christ. :haha: They forgot to also believe that he is gay and that his wife has aborted several times.

[Tribesman]

They forgot to also believe that he is gay and that his wife has aborted several times.
That is dealt with further in the poll, though its .......
Obama will make it mandatory that your children are gay nazi mexican communist muslim abortionists on welfare.

[Bubblehead1980]

Okay here it goes...

1)Obama is a Muslim?


Obama is not a practicing Muslim.However, his father was muslim, his step father was muslim, he was lived in Indonesia for four years as a child and attended Islamic schools.Facts, not opinions.Now, given Obama's actions such as not supporting Israel as American always has, bowing to a Saudi King when visiting, always trying to "reach out" and apologizing for the US(no need to) Very clear that he is sympathetic to Muslims which is contrary to the intrests of the United States.This is tantamount to having a President in say WW II with Japanese sympathies.What I just said is not racist, but exposing a very human flaw that majority of people on this earth can not overcome enough to be objective.Someone could argue obama is one of those people but his actions have shown he is not.
True he did send more troops to Afghanistan but his attitude towards Iran is not exactly tough.True he is not a Muslim, but he is too close for comfort and his ability to be objective does not exist.

2)Obama is racist?

First some quotes from his book Dreams of My Father, which Obama authored in 1995 before he ever dreamed he would be President.Obama needed the money and told how he truly felt.This is a far cry from his book "The Audacity of Hope" which was basically a campaign add.Bottom line, told the truth in the first one, the second was bs.

“I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites”

“I learned to slip back and forth between my black and white worlds,” he wrote in “Dreams.” “One of those tricks I had learned: People were satisfied so long as you were courteous and smiled and made no sudden moves. They were more than satisfied; they were relieved — such a pleasant surprise to find a well-mannered young black man who didn't seem angry all the time.”

Although Obama spent portions of his youth living with his white grandfather and Indonesian stepfather, he vowed that he would “never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.” Hmm so he admired Malcolm X and DuBois, both were racist people.

While in college, Obama disapproved of what he called other “half-breeds” who gravitated toward whites instead of blacks.After college, he once fell in love with a white woman, only to push her away when he concluded he would have to assimilate into her world, not the other way around. He later married a black woman.

“There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs,” he wrote. “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.”


“To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.” So he thinks you are a sellout if you are friends with white people so he chose trash like Marxists and feminists.

Just a few more, to prove the point....

After graduating from college, Obama eventually went to Chicago to interview for a job as a community organizer and his racial attitudes came into play as he sized up the man who would become his boss.
“There was something about him that made me wary,” Obama wrote. “A little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.”

After making his first visit to Kenya, he wrote of being disappointed to learn that his grandfather had been a servant to rich whites people.
Obama wrote in “Dreams” that the revelation caused “ugly words to flash across my mind. Uncle Tom. Collaborator. House ******.”

There is more but these are the ones I found:stare:
So is obama racist? Abso****nlutely my friends.Black Panther racist? No, but definitely has disdain for whites and white culture.Oh lets not forget the racist witch he nominated for the Supreme Court of the United States, with her "wise latina" comment and racist decision in the Connecticut Firefighters case before she was on supreme court.Oh yea, the incident in which Obama said a white cop(well said the whole department) acted stupidly before he knew all the details(admitted this) but said they acted in such a manner simply because it was his friend and his friend is black as well.Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, I just proved my case beyond a reasonable doubt with a lifelong pattern of behavior that shows this man is a racist, end of story.


3)Obama was not born in the US? Pretty sure this is not true BUT some things involving his birth and backround are highly suspect.I usually do not touch this issue much, better ones to argue about so check out this article, very interesting.http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=3255


4) Obama is a socialist?

These accusations began to fly during campaign and although there was evidence I gave him the benefit of the doubt after he was elected(did not vote for him though) Well after over one year, I am pretty sure he is a socialist and my gut feeling was correct.This man's actions have proven it...massive government takeovers in various places including auto industry, healthcare, tyrannical regulations, high taxes and even more to come if he has his way.Obama's lifelong association with socialist and communist scum is also clear evidence.Obama's childhood mentor who became a father figure, Frank Marshall Davis, was a hardcore Communist.Obama admitted in his 2004 Senate race to attending "socialist conferences" and "coming into contact with" Marxist Literature, this was admitted after his opponent Alan Keyes made the charges of socialist and obama attempted to downplay his connections as he did in 2008 with Reverend Wright, Ayers etc etc etc etc.

Lets not forget the quote I used about about him choosing his friends carefully and seeking out the marxists etc My honest memoirs are a wonderful thing:haha:

4)Obama is "doing things Hitler did" ?

Well Obama is not Hitler but there are things that are too close for comfort.First, they both rose to power in bad times.The Weimar Republic in Germany was not doing well, Hitler was their strongman, their hope for change.Obama ran on basically the same platform.Things were not going well, Hitler blamed the jews and inspired anger towards them.Obama has blamed the rich anyone who is doing well compared to many, inspiring tension and some class warfare mentality.Hitler was racist, so is Obama, see the many examples above.Hitler wanted universal healthcare for all, so does Obama.Hitler exploited crisis as does and will Obama.Now, Obama does not deserve the Adolf tag yet but can see how many see the similarities, kind of scary how many there are.

5)Some polled say Obama may be the antichrist.

Well I don't believe in that crap that's just religious brainwashing at work there, not legi argument.

6)Finally, something I am sick of is Liberals trying to say most Conservatives are against Obama and his agenda because they lack college education.This is one of the most inaccurate myths.I will firsy use myself as an example.I have a Bachelors degree,, made A's in EVERY class in college except for two or three, made B's.I plan to attnd Law School this fall(not sure which one yet but have been accepted to some good ones and waiting on others) I scored very high on the LSAT, which is high.Not bragging but simply pointing out that I am a Conservative and have plenty of education as do plenty of others out there.Sure there are Conservatives who lack formal education but many I have met can tell you more about the Constitution than some Pre-Law students.I would put the "uneducated" Conservative against the uneducated liberal anyday, you will see a world of different.Most uneducated liberals are people in low income brackets, frequently noticed they are the scruffy, long hair types who think they should make six figures for waiting tables their entire life and everything should be free, free free.Typical Conservative lacking formal education is usually a hard working person who may be in low income bracket but who does not have excuses or want handouts, simply wants to be free and enjoy their life and pursue opportunities.There are many, many educated conservatives out there that believe the things about Obama mentioned in the poll that sparked this novel I have authored this morning(lol) This is a smear tactic that shows the arrogance of Liberals and esp Libs in the media.

I spent my time writing this to try and inform, I know some will just blow it off but hope others will read it and do some research themselves, read his books (read dreams first) so can see the difference.Read some history remove yourself emotionally from arguments such as healthcare, see the BIG PICTURE.

I firmly believe America was drunk on something in November 2008 when this guy was elected.Perhaps after so much crisis and trouble, this new guy running as a centrist(despite being the most Liberal Senator in the Senate) got many American's attention and managed to get elected despite his obvious faults, which are major ones.Could compare this to a young guy who gets a little too drunk and although he would normally never hook up with a fat chick, had a one night stand and regretted it, esp after he found out he had the clap, but luckily he can vow to never do it again and get meds for the clap.Same thing for us, America was "that guy" in November 2008 and Obama was the fat chick with the clap, we learned and will get rid of the clap in 2012:salute::rotfl2:

Well time to get a little rest before work.

[CaptainHaplo]

I never liked Bush, but I never subscribed to killing him. I think the point is the 'right' when Bush was in office called these nutjubs terrorists. Now that they are in the minority, why aren't they (the Right) criticizing their people doing it? Are the Right "wingnuts" now patriots, or still terrorists?

Otherwise, I agree with you.

Well Fr8monkey - I have been told that I if politics were an airplane, I would have 2 right wings..... Yet I stated, twice, that regardless of the "side" its done to or by, its wrong. But when you note that the media isn't reporting the different events between the presidents fairly, what makes you think they will report on the "fallout" from those they ideologically oppose fairly? Bit naive to think that they would, isn't it. There are those who do condemn such calls, but to report that wouldn't present the picture the liberal media wants - which is to paint anyone opposed to the agenda of the left as a "wingnut".

Torvald - that is the best response you can do? Can't discuss the facts of BOTH sides of the issue, so you have to turn it into a personal slam by calling me a hack job? I thought better of you than that. Pity.

[August]

Torvald - that is the best response you can do? Can't discuss the facts of BOTH sides of the issue, so you have to turn it into a personal slam by calling me a hack job? I thought better of you than that. Pity.

I'd say that's pretty typical of the Torvald posts that i've read so far.

[AVGWarhawk]

A socialist Muslim anti-Christ. :haha: They forgot to also believe that he is gay and that his wife has aborted several times.

How in the hell the media missed that is beyond me. :har:

[Tribesman]

he was lived in Indonesia for four years as a child and attended Islamic schools.Facts, not opinions#
Damn that means Obama must be a christian , after all he lived in christian countries went to christian schools and had christian realatives:rotfl2:

Obama's actions such as not supporting Israel as American always has

What utter bull, you demontrate one thing there Bubble .
You know bugger all about American history and will never learn anything of consequence about American history.
BTW have you discovered when America was getting attacked by Israeli terrorists yet? or perhaps when America found israeli spies stealing its industrial and defence secrets?
.....or have you discovered nothing apart from what your own small scale bigoted views which are detatched from reality will allow?

Can't discuss the facts of BOTH sides of the issue
Haplo mentioned facts!!!!!!
He did it and used CAPS LOCKS too
I rest my case , Haplo must have been spreading bull

[AVGWarhawk]

He is a ChistIslamaBaptiEpsicopathlic. Oh, was not born a US Citizen either. I think he was born in Lamotrek Atoll. He likes crunchy Peter Pan peanut butter on Sundays. :O:

[Tribesman]

He likes crunchy Peter Pan peanut butter on Sundays.
Well thats Ok, unless of course he goes for one of the supplicant religions where sunday is really saturday, but then we must consider Peter Pan....that heathen entity is an abomination, little baby jesus had to grow up and get nailed to a tree for saying people should be nice to each other.
What makes Peter so special that he doesn't have to grow up and be nailed to a tree?

[AVGWarhawk]

Well thats Ok, unless of course he goes for one of the supplicant religions where sunday is really saturday, but then we must consider Peter Pan....that heathen entity is an abomination, little baby jesus had to grow up and get nailed to a tree for saying people should be nice to each other.
What makes Peter so special that he doesn't have to grow up and be nailed to a tree?

I'm not so sure Peter Pan was an abomination...Michael Jackson was a firm believer of Peter Pan. In so much as he had Neverland and many plastic surgerys to make himself look like Peter Pan. :03:


http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/DailyContempt/peter_pan_michael_jackson.jpg


It is quite clear Peter Pan is real....well he was to MJ :O:

[Bubblehead1980]

#
Damn that means Obama must be a christian , after all he lived in christian countries went to christian schools and had christian realatives:rotfl2:



What utter bull, you demontrate one thing there Bubble .
You know bugger all about American history and will never learn anything of consequence about American history.
BTW have you discovered when America was getting attacked by Israeli terrorists yet? or perhaps when America found israeli spies stealing its industrial and defence secrets?
.....or have you discovered nothing apart from what your own small scale bigoted views which are detatched from reality will allow?


Haplo mentioned facts!!!!!!
He did it and used CAPS LOCKS too
I rest my case , Haplo must have been spreading bull



Tribesman,

The difference is this is a Christian nation.Although I do not believe in any of the religions, America was founded by christians on christian principles but did make sure it was not the guiding force in the government via seperation of church and state, so we are a christian nation.I said Obama is not a Muslim but is sympathetic to muslims due to his backround which prevents him from acting as he should when dealing with issues related to muslim nations etc

I know plenty about American history, just not your lefty revisionist history.Always made A's in history in college even though my professors were usually lefty revisionists like yourself and I called them out for it

bigoted views? I have no bigoted views, unless you are claiming my views towards muslims is bigoted which is simply not true.You however seem to have great disdain for Israel.Like any nation Israel is not perfect and has done things they should not have.The spying should not occur because we are Allies and share/sell most technology to them anyway but rest assured the CIA has spies in Israel and has done things not so great, but it is part of the game in the real world, not the gumdrop rainshow utopia Libs live in.I know of some incidents in which Israelis were found in the US and their trucks "tested positive" for explosives but never found any evidence of a terrorist attack.No connections to the Israeli govt was found.They were rental trucks, I bet half the rental fleet out there would test positive for something "bad" I know about The Lavon Affair in 54, I know about the USS Liberty incident.
So, yes I am aware of the not so good things the Israelis have done.I hope you are not one of those people who believe Israel was really behind 9/11

Again, neither the US nor Israel is perfect but we have been Allies for years and when it comes to the Israel/Palestinian issue, we should be on the side of Israel, no questions asked for the most part.They have fought and earned their right to exist.They should build all the settlements they want, they won the multiple wars and seized the lands.To the victors go the spoils of war.Should they choose to give them up, fine if not, too bad.No one else has the right to tell them to stop building.

[CaptainHaplo]

Bubblehead - it is a common misconception that the country was founded by "Christians". By definition, the majority of the founding fathers were deists.

While deism and Christianity share many of the same tenents, they do differ. Deists believe in a "higher power" - aka God, which is why there are so many references to the Supreme Being in our historical documents. However, deists may or may not place faith in specific tenents of the Christian faith - for example a deist may reject the notion of the Trinity, or they may deny that modern scripture is without error.

Because deism and Xtianity are so very closely tied, from a historical perspective people look at it as in "Well they believed in God and Jesus and I do to, and I am a Xtian, so they must have been - thus this nation was founded as a xtian nation" - yet the reality is much more complex and such a statement is inaccurate.

[Skybird]

The difference is this is a Christian nation.Although I do not believe in any of the religions, America was founded by christians on christian principles but did make sure it was not the guiding force in the government via seperation of church and state, so we are a christian nation.I said Obama is not a Muslim but is sympathetic to muslims due to his backround which prevents him from acting as he should when dealing with issues related to muslim nations etc

http://bmccreations.com/one_nation/nation.html

http://bmccreations.com/one_nation/principals.html

To be precise.

Many Christians live in the US. And Christian culture has had an influence. As has had ancient Greece, Rome, etc. But the US is not explicitly founded on Christian principles, nor is it an explicitly "Christian country".

[Bubblehead1980]

Bubblehead - it is a common misconception that the country was founded by "Christians". By definition, the majority of the founding fathers were deists.

While deism and Christianity share many of the same tenents, they do differ. Deists believe in a "higher power" - aka God, which is why there are so many references to the Supreme Being in our historical documents. However, deists may or may not place faith in specific tenents of the Christian faith - for example a deist may reject the notion of the Trinity, or they may deny that modern scripture is without error.

Because deism and Xtianity are so very closely tied, from a historical perspective people look at it as in "Well they believed in God and Jesus and I do to, and I am a Xtian, so they must have been - thus this nation was founded as a xtian nation" - yet the reality is much more complex and such a statement is inaccurate.

I am aware of deism.However this has been a Chrstian nation, thus why Christmas is a Holiday etc Personally, I am not religious so does not matter.However, there are some that more dangerous than others.

Basic point was someone with sympathies and deep family ties for a religion and it's followers that is the basis of the terrorist holy war that began on us really at Beirut barracks bombing in the 80's( a relative of mine was among the dead, never met him as I was born after) and continues today, can not lead this nation properly and he has shown it in his actions.

[Bubblehead1980]

http://bmccreations.com/one_nation/nation.html

http://bmccreations.com/one_nation/principals.html

To be precise.

Many Christians live in the US. And Christian culture has had an influence. As has had ancient Greece, Rome, etc. But the US is not explicitly founded on Christian principles, nor is it an explicitly "Christian country".


Interesting reading, read it before though.Thanks for links

[CaptainHaplo]

Christmas is a holiday in alot of countries - that doesn't make them Christian. I understand your point, and perhaps I am being a little too technical at this juncture, but being ordained and a history buff, this is one of those items that I just have to speak up on!

[Freiwillige]

Okay lets break this down.

1. 67% of Americans think Obama is a Socialist. I am of the 67%

Why would Americans believe that? Could it be the fact that his mother was an avowed Mao loving Marx kissing Stalin worshiping Che hugging Blow up the good ol' USA COMMUNIST! It isn't even disputed that his upbringing is pure Socialistic indoctrination. Further hiring known and openly Communists into the white house says enough to me. I don't dislike Obama cause he's half Black, I dislike Obama cause he's Red through and through. Redistribution of wealth ring any bells? Set off any alarms?

2. 57% believe that Obama is a Muslim. While I agree he was probably raised a Muslim or at least around Muslim influence I personally believe that Obama is an Atheist such as my self. Religion is a tool to this guy nothing else.

3. 45 percent of Republicans (25 percent overall) agree with the Birthers in their belief that Obama was "not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president"

Again I think there may be something to this. Nobody hides the truth and spends an alarming amount to do so if there is nothing to hide. All that has been confirmed is that a record of birth exsist's but it is also known that you do not have to have been born in Hawaii to get one. I think eventually the truth will come out one way or another but it will be well after Obama moved on. Even his college records have been sealed, His thesis missing etc. Any paper trail that could confirm anything locked away...suspicious at least! So again I would have to agree that I believe there is something to hide.

4. 38 percent of Republicans (20 percent overall) say that Obama is "doing many of the things that Hitler did" Scariest of all, 24 percent of Republicans (14 percent overall) say that Obama "may be the Antichrist."

Hitler like it or not for the most part united a nation, Obama is nothing close to Adolph. And as for the Anti Christ....I have to laugh. I think that people are giving him too much credit or have been knocked in the head with a Bible once to often.

The story is written by a guy that wrote a book called Wing nuts...No bias there obviously.

We are a country divided by two very powerful and corrupt party's.
Neither will serve our interests instead serving their own selfish agenda's.

The system is broken and I bet If I polled almost 100% would agree!:salute:

[Fr8monkey]

Well Fr8monkey - I have been told that I if politics were an airplane, I would have 2 right wings..... Yet I stated, twice, that regardless of the "side" its done to or by, its wrong. But when you note that the media isn't reporting the different events between the presidents fairly, what makes you think they will report on the "fallout" from those they ideologically oppose fairly? Bit naive to think that they would, isn't it. There are those who do condemn such calls, but to report that wouldn't present the picture the liberal media wants - which is to paint anyone opposed to the agenda of the left as a "wingnut".



There are about 15% on the right and the left that I qualify as "Wingnuts". It's not just one party.

Also, I regard the term "Liberal Media" tossed around as a joke... like Fox being fair and balanced. The liberal media is in large part held by people like Rupert Murdoch, a conservitive. If the news is liberal, why all the anti-Obama news lately?

Remember if your airplane has 2 right or left wings, you will just fly in circles.

[August]

There are about 15% on the right and the left that I qualify as "Wingnuts". It's not just one party.

Actually I think the 15% on the left are called "Moonbats".

[Bubblehead1980]

Okay lets break this down.

1. 67% of Americans think Obama is a Socialist. I am of the 67%

Why would Americans believe that? Could it be the fact that his mother was an avowed Mao loving Marx kissing Stalin worshiping Che hugging Blow up the good ol' USA COMMUNIST! It isn't even disputed that his upbringing is pure Socialistic indoctrination. Further hiring known and openly Communists into the white house says enough to me. I don't dislike Obama cause he's half Black, I dislike Obama cause he's Red through and through. Redistribution of wealth ring any bells? Set off any alarms?

2. 57% believe that Obama is a Muslim. While I agree he was probably raised a Muslim or at least around Muslim influence I personally believe that Obama is an Atheist such as my self. Religion is a tool to this guy nothing else.

3. 45 percent of Republicans (25 percent overall) agree with the Birthers in their belief that Obama was "not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president"

Again I think there may be something to this. Nobody hides the truth and spends an alarming amount to do so if there is nothing to hide. All that has been confirmed is that a record of birth exsist's but it is also known that you do not have to have been born in Hawaii to get one. I think eventually the truth will come out one way or another but it will be well after Obama moved on. Even his college records have been sealed, His thesis missing etc. Any paper trail that could confirm anything locked away...suspicious at least! So again I would have to agree that I believe there is something to hide.

4. 38 percent of Republicans (20 percent overall) say that Obama is "doing many of the things that Hitler did" Scariest of all, 24 percent of Republicans (14 percent overall) say that Obama "may be the Antichrist."

Hitler like it or not for the most part united a nation, Obama is nothing close to Adolph. And as for the Anti Christ....I have to laugh. I think that people are giving him too much credit or have been knocked in the head with a Bible once to often.

The story is written by a guy that wrote a book called Wing nuts...No bias there obviously.

We are a country divided by two very powerful and corrupt party's.
Neither will serve our interests instead serving their own selfish agenda's.

The system is broken and I bet If I polled almost 100% would agree!:salute:


We both broke the numbers down and gave similar responses, although, nice job:salute:

[Fr8monkey]

Actually I think the 15% on the left are called "Moonbats".

Either way, both sides have their weirdos. Most normal people are in the middle somewhere.

[CaptainHaplo]

Your absolutely correct Fr8monkey. The thing is - a poll "inspired" by a book named "wingnuts" is going to come up with the results its "inspired" to - which was my point to the OP. If you go out with the intent to find the crazies, you will find them - regardless of the side.

[Bubblehead1980]

moonbats:har: love that term

[Reaves]

Australia has public health care and so do most Euro nations.

I think it's nice that a person can get life saving surgery even if they can't afford it. It's about time America joined the civilised world.

[August]

I think it's nice that a person can get life saving surgery even if they can't afford it.

Dunno what you've heard about us but our people can get that here too.

[AVGWarhawk]

Australia has public health care and so do most Euro nations.

I think it's nice that a person can get life saving surgery even if they can't afford it. It's about time America joined the civilised world.

Might want to get off the drink sir. No one here will turn away anyone needing medical help and or surgery. Hippocratic oath! In fact, my wifes aunt required a colostomy bag installed as she had a fistual. She had no insurance. Her bill....$795.00. Keep in mind this bag was with her for over 6 months and she was under a doctors care until her intestines were healed and could handle waste product normally.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colostomy

Furthermore my father was an ER physician for 40 years. He did not care one rats arse if anyone showing up had insurance or not. He attended to what they needed being from the common cold to life threatening problems.

The travesty here is even folks with insurance can get into financial ruins from medical problems. Throwing a sh!t load of money at the root cause(care costs run amuck) does not cure the problem. Healthcare needs a overhaul it reducing overall costs. Has anyone given a good explanation as to why every year the cost keep going up in leaps and bounds?

[SteamWake]

Your going to see more and more of this type of thing as the media attempts to paint those opposed to the health care legislation as 'dangerous', 'radical', and nut jobs.

While I admitt there are nut jobs out there they are a vast minority and dont really help the cause. But the press will do everything in their power to make them seem so.

Remember the bricks through DNC office windows?

http://www.leftcoastrebel.com/2010/03/left-finds-brick-throwing.html

They are already ratcheting it up on capitol hill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUbFrAyZyoA

[AVGWarhawk]

Of course there has been threats already. FBI involved now. Par for the course for every President/Congress.

[SteamWake]

Of course there has been threats already. FBI involved now. Par for the course for every President/Congress.

No I dont recall there being anything of this magnitude before. Then again the sensationalist media kind of blow things out of scale.

[Bubblehead1980]

The Dems are whining and trying to get sympathy when what is going on is THEIR fault, but it is just like a Liberal to blame someone else, no personal responsibility.Seems the Dems really have lost touch and fail to realize that Americans are not docile people who just bend over and take it.We may put up with many things but this is pretty much it, the line in the sand.Now I do not personally want any lawmakers to be harmed but if someone was angry and tossed a rock through a socialist, excuse me Democratic office, I am not going to lose any sleep over it.The American people were stupaked(betrayed) by the Dems because they blindly follow Obama and now must accept responsibility for their actions.Again, Liberals do not believe in personal responsibility but they may just learn if not before then definitely in November.

You know, if the Dem bill had simply been this....no denial for pre existing conditions, children in college can stay on family policy until 26, no dropping when you get sick, tort reform(and I plan to be a lawyer, heading to Law School in the Fall, but will admit it's outrageous they money people get over small errors) allowing insurance to be purchased across state lines and few other things.This would have been a bill that I prob would have supported but like always the Dems had to go too far with the taxes, spending, govt subsidies and oh yea, going against the constitution with the mandate and fines.They go too far because they blindly follow Obama and he has his agenda and some have the agenda he does but most are just sheep, no matter what the people want, potential dictator syndrome:damn:

Now, so what if some people made some angry calls.I was one of them, I have more class than to curse etc but my message was not friendly.Some regular Americans in their anger(have the right to be) called elected officials who have forgotten who they work for and told them off, so what? Personally, I would not leave messages like you have heard on TV but so what if others did, we were "stupakd" after all:stare:

[Fr8monkey]

Wow. Do you get all your news points from Beck and Limbaugh, or do you think for youself?

[Tribesman]

Now, so what if some people made some angry calls.I was one of them, I have more class than to curse etc but my message was not friendly.Some regular Americans in their anger(have the right to be) called elected officials who have forgotten who they work for and told them off, so what? Personally, I would not leave messages like you have heard on TV but so what if others did, we were "stupakd" after all
Thats interesting, especially as you say you are going to work in law, which you have described as a collection of meaningless documents drawn up by liberals.
So these angry people who you claim have a right to be angry, what right do they have to make threats including death threats.
What does the annoying little thing called law say about that?

Wow. Do you get all your news points from Beck and Limbaugh, or do you think for youself?
Don't mention his "patriotic" heroes:har:

[SteamWake]

Obama's foreign relations...



For a head of government to visit the White House and not pose for photographers is rare. For a key ally to be left to his own devices while the President withdraws to have dinner in private was, until this week, unheard of. Yet that is how Binyamin Netanyahu was treated by President Obama on Tuesday night, according to Israeli reports on a trip viewed in Jerusalem as a humiliation.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7076431.ece

[Tribesman]

Yet that is how Binyamin Netanyahu was treated by President Obama
What did he expect after giving America a very public big F.U. the other week.

a trip viewed in Jerusalem as a humiliation.
Was he there begging for more money again yet refusing to apologise for spitting in americas face?

[Bubblehead1980]

Wow. Do you get all your news points from Beck and Limbaugh, or do you think for youself?

No, I get my news from various sources and my arguments are my own.I have been a Conservative since High School simply because I think for myself and believe in the Constitution and believe in things like self reliance, small government, freedom, liberty etc not welfare and "social justice" and all that bs, so I never subscribed to Liberal nonsense that has slithered into our society and can for the most part be linked to a whole host of problems.

Do you get your news from other venues besides MSNBC or CNN? Someone else besides Olberman, Schulz or that trash Maddow? I watch them all reguarly to get all sides and see who is most fair and no doubt some will contend this but on the actual news programs, not shows that are there for commentary, Fox News is overall fair and is the most fair of them all.Most of their commentators are fair though.O'Reilly is fair, Hannity is fair most of the time.When I have watched Beck he is fair, he goes after both sides but sees how dangerous the Left is right now.Limbaugh is a good conservative and is popular, thus why the Left hates him.Same reason they hate Beck.

[Skybird]

Obama's foreign relations...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7076431.ece

There is a row. Think of that row what you want, agree with the reason for it, or not - but a row as a matter of fact it is. What do you expect in behaviour, then? That everybody acts as if there is no row? ;)

[Bubblehead1980]

Thats interesting, especially as you say you are going to work in law, which you have described as a collection of meaningless documents drawn up by liberals.
So these angry people who you claim have a right to be angry, what right do they have to make threats including death threats.
What does the annoying little thing called law say about that?


Don't mention his "patriotic" heroes:har:

Yes, I will be attending Law School this Fall and currently work at a law firm.Many laws are vague and meant as more of a guide than the absolute truth.Some are not but anyone with common sense will have a WTF moment:hmmm: Florida State Statute 365.16 describes obscene or harassing telephone calls as: Making a call without conversation or disclosure of identity and with the intent to harass, annoy, abuse or threaten. Making a call with conversation and with the intent solely to harass or threaten. Making a call during which any obscene conversation or suggestions are made with the intention of offending, harassing, threatening or abusing the person called. Making continued calls or continually ringing the telephone with the intent to harass.

Now that one seems pretty straight forward but the firm I work at handles these cases all the time, typically in domestic troubles when one party keeps calling other etc and anger is involved all the time.Now, when a jury hears the message or the judge sees the case file, sure it's angry, there may even be some profanity but usually its not harassing or threatening and we win via trial or dismissal prob 8 out of 10.The ones we lose we usually lose via a plea or guilty verdict because the person actually made a threat or harassed the victim via repeated calls etc

Lately we have had angry US citizens calling their Congressmen and leaving messages.I have heard many of the messages and sure they were angry, had some profanity, said I do no wish you well etc. I believe maybe one I heard was actually a threat and it barely qualified as one.The others did not make threats or make a call/ leave a message with "conversation and with the intent solely to harass or threaten. Making a call during which any obscene conversation or suggestions are made with the intention of offending, harassing, threatening or abusing the person called." Some of those in congress whining about death threats are boo hooing because someone said I hope something bad happens to you.That is NOT a threat.A threat is I am going to do so and so to you.Leaving an angry message is not a threat, the law was authored to protect people from actual threats and true harassment, not supress freedom of speech by citizens against people in congress or the white house who have ignored the will of the people(their bosses) and pursued their agenda at great expense to this nation.

Having said all that, people should not resort to violence, that is crap the Lefties do(thinking Black Panters, Anti-War protesters in the 60's and 70's, you know some of Obama's friends like Ayers.There are nuts in every group and things will happen sometimes.Only ill I wish towards those who mposed this ridiculous bill on us is that they lose their positions and never return to any position that gives them power.However, the outrage is the Democrats fault, it is what happens when you ignore the people.Their outrage is also kind of a phony tactic, just like the black congressmen claiming they were spat on and racial slurs used against them.Yet all the cameras that were there even their own guys following them up the capital steps with cell phone cameras ready, managed to miss the alleged incidents, HMMMMMMMM:hmmm:



Don't mention his "patriotic" heroes:har:[/QUOTE]

Not my heroes but they are patriots.

[Bubblehead1980]

Obama's foreign relations...



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7076431.ece


Obama's muslim sympathies are to blame for this.Obama does not like Israel to begin with and is showing it.Israel is not bending over for him and doing what he wants, so he is snubbing them, which is easy because did not like them to begin with anyway.Meanwhile, he has had no problem bowing to a Saudi King, making nice with Hugo Chavez etc but he dumps a long time friend of America for dinner.

[Fr8monkey]

@ Bubblehead.. I too was a conservative when I graduated from High school. I was until Regan killed the party.

I believed in nation first but being helpful to those in need, government being there for citizens in need, provide protection to its citizens and fiscal restraint.

Now we have our sovereignty being sold to the lowest bidder and our jobs going to China, government telling the population who to marry and forcing children to be born to people who cant raise them, 'borrowing and spending' for unneeded war, giving tax breaks to the rich corporations saying the jobs will be 'trickling down', etc.

Ever since I grew up I realized the "Party of the rich and for the rich" wasn't for me.

BTW what do you think of all the hate crimes being perpetrated by the conservative followers that have been happening lately? Shot or assaulted at any liberals lately? That's what Germans did to others that didn't share their views in the 1930's...

[Tribesman]

A simple question, what planet do you live on Bubblehead?

[Camaero]

I hate everyone who doesn't agree with me.:yeah:

[Tribesman]

I hate everyone who doesn't agree with me.
Thats the Glenn Beck approach to life isn't it:up:
Bubbleheads blind hatred has led him to views that have little bearing on reality and are more often than not entirely contradictory to his already expressed views.

[Fr8monkey]

I don't hate anyone. I am just disappointed when one side - ANY SIDE - can't respect the views of the other side. I get where people on the right are coming from... I just don't like the juvenile name calling. Liberal is not a dirty word.

[Tribesman]

I don't hate anyone. I am just disappointed when one side - ANY SIDE - can't respect the views of the other side.
Thats the thing, it doesn't matter to me what country, politician or religion is involved, I treat each topic the same.
Bibi could be the biggest idiot on the planet, he could also be a very clever fella. I won't judge him simply because he is an Israeli politician like some have(bubblehead for example).
I judge him by his current and past activities.

[SteamWake]

Reagan killed the party?

[Letum]

Well, anyone could be the anti-Christ...what ever that really means.

[August]

Well, anyone could be the anti-Christ...what ever that really means.

Well actually Jesus Christ himself can't be the anti-Christ no more than you yourself can be the anti-Letum!


























(Which I hear is worse than the anti-Christ).

[CaptainHaplo]

Fr8 - its interesting you brought up the "violence" issue - because BOTH sides are being subjected to threats and violence from the citizenry. It is more directed at democrats - but has not been directed ONLY at them. They, being the party "in power", does make them more apt to be targetted by discontent.

The reality is that BOTH parties have engaged in the political game of personal destruction, hate-mongering and "OMGNOES ITS THE END OF THE WORLD IF THEY DO THIS" kind of rhetoric on almost every issue. Now the repercussions of those actions are coming home to roost.

That does not make violence or threats of violence ok, but I get really sick and tired of seeing politicians on either side play the blame game and then act like they are not responsible when the $hit hits the fan.

If they spent the time talking about the issues, instead of why the other side is "driving us to socialism" or "supporting the rich corporations", then the issues would be the driving force.

Of course, if politicians also listened to the people, the threats that are out there wouldn't be occuring would they? They are supposed to work for the people, and some chose not to do so. They don't get a free pass on that, but the way to handle it is throw them out of office in November, not through juvenile acts of harrassment and threats.

[Fr8monkey]

Fr8 - its interesting you brought up the "violence" issue - because BOTH sides are being subjected to threats and violence from the citizenry. It is more directed at democrats - but has not been directed ONLY at them. They, being the party "in power", does make them more apt to be targetted by discontent.

Please give me specific examples where republicans were spat on and threatened with violence while the democratic leadership egged them on from a balcony...

[CaptainHaplo]

"But FOX has learned that Cantor was one of about ten lawmakers who requested enhanced protection after a spate of threats. Most of the threats were directed at House Democrats who voted in favor of the health care reform bill over the weekend."

"A caller to the office of Rep. Jean Schmidt (R-OH) used profane language and intimated that he wished the Ohio Republican broke her back when she was hit by a car during a jogging accident last year."

Source:
http://theruthlesstruth.com/wordpress/2010/03/25/republicans-target-of-threats-and-violence/

The bullet that was shot through Cantor's window has been deemed "random" and not a targetted act..... However - note that it states that MOST (but not all) threats were directed at democrats.

Are the only ones suggesting Violence the "extremist" right? Think again...

"Obama's critics keep blasting him for Chicago-style politics. So, fine. Channel your inner Al Capone and go gangsta against your foes. Let 'em know that if they aren't with you, they are against you, and will pay the price." - Roland Martin (Who happens to be CNN's Political Analyst)

Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/02/09/martin.obama.republicans/

or maybe you would rather just use "Chicago" politics and break a few kneecaps? As suggested by David Bourgeous:

"You've given it your best shot, you've tried numerous times to talk with the Republicans, to negotiate, to meet them halfway on every single matter before the American people. But they hate you for many reasons. It's time you break kneecaps." The bold is in the original - and the writer even posted a nice picture of a baseball bat to go with it...

Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-bourgeois/obama-better-start-breaki_b_461873.html

While the first is "opinion" under editorials (though still by their political analyst) - the second was filed as a political story by a supposed "UNBIASED" newspaper...... At least CNN had the decency to make it clear that its article was opinion by a non-neutral party.

Are the threats equally distributed? No - but then with one group in power, you can't expect it to be. But to claim that the Dems are innocent in this fiasco - is being intentionally blind or intellectually dishonest. Not to mention, how repugnant is it that the Dems are now using these "threats" by a few wackos to try and raise money? I mean sheesh - have they gotten that desperate? Oh wait - apparently so......

[Bubblehead1980]

@ Bubblehead.. I too was a conservative when I graduated from High school. I was until Regan killed the party.

I believed in nation first but being helpful to those in need, government being there for citizens in need, provide protection to its citizens and fiscal restraint.

Now we have our sovereignty being sold to the lowest bidder and our jobs going to China, government telling the population who to marry and forcing children to be born to people who cant raise them, 'borrowing and spending' for unneeded war, giving tax breaks to the rich corporations saying the jobs will be 'trickling down', etc.

Ever since I grew up I realized the "Party of the rich and for the rich" wasn't for me.

BTW what do you think of all the hate crimes being perpetrated by the conservative followers that have been happening lately? Shot or assaulted at any liberals lately? That's what Germans did to others that didn't share their views in the 1930's...



Reagan did not kill the party.I dislike that Reagan took on the "religious right" as Allies but he did a lot of the GOP and is the best President we have had in the last 100 years and definitely ranks as one of the best in our history.Reagan's policies lead tot he defeat of the Soviet Union and our status as the only superpower(which sadly is fading but could be saved) Reagan also handled Libya and Grenada very well. Among his other accomplishments were tax cuts, low unemployment that continually dropped after the 1982 recession.The list goes on and on.Of course he was not perfect, do not care for his amnesty for illegals but overall a great president, deficit, although seems miniscule compared to what Obama has spent.Main thing was the man loved this country and believed in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, not taxes, control and "social justice" like the brainwashed idiot we have now.

"Now we have our sovereignty being sold to the lowest bidder and our jobs going to China, government telling the population who to marry and forcing children to be born to people who cant raise them, 'borrowing and spending' for unneeded war, giving tax breaks to the rich corporations saying the jobs will be 'trickling down', etc."

You can blame Bill Clinton for signing all the trade agreements with China and of course the piece of crap NAFTA that sent jobs to Mexico.Yes I know Bush I drafted it and it had support but Clinton signed it and we have lost over a million jobs to China due to the trade agreements thus bolstering China.Now we are borrowing money from them constantly.Clinton was just as Liberal and dangerous about Obama but he wanted to stay President so did move to the center a bit, right now it seems like Barry does not care about being reelected.Government telling the population who to marry? uhhh? forcing children to be born? um abortion is legal, problem is a lot of people will not do it, because they think it is wrong and know they can punch out some kids and get a government check and people like me will pay for everything from their food to healthcare and possibly even college someday.

To your statement about war: Well Afghanistan was needed, can't sit on our duffs and appease our enemies.Iraq was popular initially until we found our the intel was incorrect and war was mismanaged by Bush, but was needed and it working out now, they turned it around with the surge, improved a bad situation, which is what Obama is trying to do in Afganistan, the one thing, okay the second he has done that I support(that and stem cell research) Suppose you are one of those who think we should not fight for anything ?

Tax breaks to "rich corporations", oh the famous liberal line, business is bad, blah blah.Party of the rich for the rich? No yes the GOP does tend to attract Americans who wish to not give so much of their personal money away so can pay for some bum on the corner or some crack addict and her 6 children.The Democrats have for years tried to incite class warfare(as well as race) Oh this person is better off than you and you deserve some of their money via govt payments after we take their money, CRAP.This plays on human nature and causes rifts in our society, which is just wrong.Dems/Libs do this with race also which again is just wrong.

You say you grew up and changed your view? Well no offense but thinking maybe life didn't quite work out how you thought it would and you fell for the dem/lib line about the party of the rich etc etc I say that because I know some people from high school who screwed around after or those who left college etc who have turned into libs because they screwed up and are working a crappy job right now, so they feel entitled to things.Again I do not know you and not insulting you, just some straight talk here.I have little contact with this girl now except facebook but we went to college together first couple of years, even dated at one point.She got knocked up(not mine) and dropped out before junior year.Now she's working a crappy job and supporting a kid, she posts crap on facebook all the time and is a big obama lover etc, back when I knew her she was conservative and on debate team with me.Basically, her personal failures have caused her to turn away from what is right because she thinks someone else will improve her life.This is not isolated, have seen it many times over the years in person and via other means.Now, abortion is legal, she could have not had the child and continued college, would be much better off.Bottom line, people have to take responsibility for their actions and decisions, but to liberals that is something tha is so outrageous, they just gotta have a boogyman somewhere. If you are poor, someone with more money than you is it.If you are not white, it is the white man.Dems have used this for years and many are not falling for it anymore and it is why they are so desperate.

Name a hate crime that has occured over health care? As I explained in a post below in response to tribesman, the messages played on tv where angry responses by citizens after the Democrats defied the American people, not threats.I will not lose any sleep over the messages or even the rocks being thrown through the windows, lets put it that way.Democrats deserve some heat for what they have done.Now, do not want anyone to get hurt, so it needs to stop at that,because it is wrong first of all and will just hurt our cause.The whiny dems are already trying to play it up for sympathy.They are calling some angry citizens extreme but guess who else were considered extremists at one point, the founding fathers.

No I have not shot or assaulted any liberals, noy my style.Angered quite a few by arguing with them and proving them wrong on numerous occasions.I have been doing it for years, college is infested with liberal vermon.Many professors who try to indoctrinate people my age and are successful to a large degree because most people do not have firm political convictions when they are young, they go to college and think their professor is telling the truth everytime, combine this with the naivete the is common among people my age, not that difficult.I quickly grew tired of this, esp revisionist professors who had a strong theme of America is bad and always has been etc etc so I argued, I will say they were fair on grading because I still made A's in their classes.Bottom line, all boils down to preserving this nation to be "that shining city on a hill" or letting it go down the dumps in the vision of people like obama, pelosi etc.

I leave you with a couple quotes that might reach to your inner conservative, maybe you will come back from the dark side someday.The first really applies to Dems esp Obama right now.

Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth. And let me remind you, they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyrannies. Absolute power does corrupt, and those who seek it must be suspect and must be opposed.Their mistaken course stems from false notions of equality, ladies and gentlemen. Equality, rightly understood, as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences. Wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism.- Barry Goldwater

I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice!-Barry Goldwater

[Bubblehead1980]

A simple question, what planet do you live on Bubblehead?


I live on Earth in America, thanks.I just don't follow people blindly or sit down and shut up when people are wrong are doing things that my generation and others will pay for dearly.

[Bubblehead1980]

Thats the Glenn Beck approach to life isn't it:up:
Bubbleheads blind hatred has led him to views that have little bearing on reality and are more often than not entirely contradictory to his already expressed views.


My blind hate? I do not have blind hate. The only blind hate I have noticed is your hate of Israel.Please tell me how I contradict myself, I know I have not and if it seems I did, I will clarify. My views have much bearing on reality.You know, you always seem to resort to trying to insult my intelligence or sanity yet you rarely if ever come back with evidence or a strong argument, which is why I am here.I love to debate things, esp politics and I assumed you do, thus why you are here but perhaps I was wrong.While I often respond to your questions and insults such as in my last response to you about laws regarding harassing or threatening phone calls.I included the Florida law which is similar to many but I know florida law more than other so used it.Anyway, I included the law then included my real world experience with that law and how it is applied to show how an angry phone call is NOT a threatening or harassing phone call.You did not even respond and just continue by insulting me.This is a common tactic of liberals who can not base their argument on facts, so result to mudslinging.I may have lost my temper here and there and thrown some sarcasm or jabs around( I am passionate whethere doing this in person or via this forum) but I respond to you by telling you why you are wrong, not by insulting your intelligence or sanity.

[Tribesman]

My blind hate? I do not have blind hate. The only blind hate I have noticed is your hate of Israel.
Wrong, its your blind love that gives you your blind hate.
Even in that statement you wrote you cannot make sense, why would I hate Israel, its just another country?
That demonstrates how you are blind and irrational in your approach.
To put it another way, with the last administration in your country lots of people thought your president was a complete muppet and many of his policies were lunacy.
People like yourself (or Limburgh or Beck)took those views and the only way they could deal with them was to go into blind rants about people hating america which was nonsense.
So as you now think the current president is a prick and his policies stink then obviously you must hate America......unless of course your approach is entirely contradictory.

you always seem to resort to trying to insult my intelligence or sanity
Especially over Israel as your views make no sense, your blind love means you simply reject decades of Isreals and your own countries history and bend reality to fit your view. Not to mention current events and recent developments.

[CaptainHaplo]

Bubblehead - some folks just are here to disrupt and cause drama. Recognize them for what they are - Trolls - and move on....

I do NOT classify Fr8Monkey as a troll - he has so far not been an arse. However - you quoted tribesman - and he definitely falls under the "troll" category.

Remember - don't try to win against an idiot - he will drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience...... :har:

[Fr8monkey]

Remember - don't try to win against an idiot - he will drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience..

I keep telling myself that but I keep coming back...

[Tribesman]

Oh look, Haplo is being a mindless troll again, how unusual.:up:

[Bubblehead1980]

Wrong, its your blind love that gives you your blind hate.
Even in that statement you wrote you cannot make sense, why would I hate Israel, its just another country?
That demonstrates how you are blind and irrational in your approach.
To put it another way, with the last administration in your country lots of people thought your president was a complete muppet and many of his policies were lunacy.
People like yourself (or Limburgh or Beck)took those views and the only way they could deal with them was to go into blind rants about people hating america which was nonsense.
So as you now think the current president is a prick and his policies stink then obviously you must hate America......unless of course your approach is entirely contradictory.


Especially over Israel as your views make no sense, your blind love means you simply reject decades of Isreals and your own countries history and bend reality to fit your view. Not to mention current events and recent developments.


I am not sure why you have a problem Israel, but everything you say is negative.I do not love Israel but do support that nation because they have earned the right to exist time and time again over the years, they have the right to build more homes etc.I do not back them for religious reasons like many.Despite some problems we have had and things we have both done , we have been allies and maintained a strong bond.You say I reject the history? Please give an example, but like always you prob can't, you just try to throw things out without any examples or evidence as I pointed out in another post, you just result to mudslinging.I am upset because the fraud currently in the white house has no respect for the alliance yet bends over backwards to talk to enemies, mainly due to his muslim sympathies, nothing else explains why he would go against them and treat Israel the way he has.

I must say it is rather presumptious of you to assume because I am a conservative to think I was a big G.W. Bush supporter etc Yes I voted for him because John Kerry would have been awful.Bush strayed from fiscal responsibility and mismanaged the the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq until the surge, which turned things around in Iraq, thus why Obama took the stragety for Afghanistan. Although the roots of the financial crisis date back to the Clinton years, such as when the push for everyone to get a home loan, even if they could not afford it(some of the social justice BS) so thye forced backs to loan money then when the bottom failed out, tried to blame it on the banks , Bush could've done something but he did not and thus suffers some of the problems.Bush did the stimulus and bailouts, wrong.I was very angry at him and still angry because he set the party and the cause back.Hell, Bush is half the reason that obama was elected, due to the atmosphere he created.Obama would never get elected in good times, people would scrutinized him more for his backround and associations, so I am not a big fan of George W.

People who protested the war were wrong but I did not go on blind rants about how they are unamerican.I do and did not like them though, I do not like people who believe you should never fight under any circumstances, they are weak people who do not live in the real world where you have to fight sometimes.When the Iraq war was going badly, the calls from antiwar groups shouldve been for new sec of defense and new stragety, not a withdrawl and surrender to the enemy, which wouldve created more terrorists when the crazies took over Iraq again.People like Cindy Sheehan are disgusting.I feel for her since she lost her son, but instead of having pride in him, she turns on the US.I am sure she had no problem when he signed up so he could have the benefits, free college etc etc War is a part of life, always has been and always will be and is very much a necessity at times.

I have not contradicted myself because didn't call those people unamerican etc. However, we are in a new age and obama's agenda is completely different and much more dangerous than any past president.I must say if you are a full on obama supporter who actually understands his agenda, you are pretty much unamerican or naive and do not understand what he wants this country to look like.You want to talk about contradiction? The current admin and chronies view of how America should be contradicts the constitution and over 200 years history in this country.Most obama supporters have not read his book or do not know his history and associations, the man has been in the red playground his entire life.What I am is saying is that most obama supporters are naive and do not understand what he wants to do.The others are the unamericans who understand and support him because they share his crazy left agenda that contradicts everything this country is supposed to be.

I do not want to label you a troll even though someone posted on board you and are and had a few private messages about it.However, as mentioned when you just resort to mudslinging or vague references to things instead of trying to tell me why you believe I am wrong, makes me wonder.I mentioned in another response to you that I explain why you are wrong and show proof and explain things, such as in the harassing phone call discussion, i showed the law here in Florida and explained how I have seen it applied in the real world.No response, because you were wrong.Instead, you went to mudslinging as usual.

I have no ill will towards you, you just have some views that are wrong and I attempt to educate you so perhaps you will see, but typical liberal reaction, insults.Follow Allinsky much? :har:

Anyway, I enjoy the debate but so far it's one sided most of the time, no real evidence.When or if I am wrong, I will admit it.I am not one of those people who can not admit when they are wrong.

[Bubblehead1980]

Bubblehead - some folks just are here to disrupt and cause drama. Recognize them for what they are - Trolls - and move on....

I do NOT classify Fr8Monkey as a troll - he has so far not been an arse. However - you quoted tribesman - and he definitely falls under the "troll" category.

Remember - don't try to win against an idiot - he will drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience...... :har:

I do not classify Fr8Monkey as a troll and do not classify tribesman as one yet, but he is on the way lol Just noticed over the years the typical reaction of the left is not to respond with solid arguments but insults and vague references.Well I love that quote:har: but have not been dragged down there, no insults from me.I have made an honest effort to get a solid argument from him, still waiting:hmmm:

[Tribesman]

I am not sure why you have a problem Israel, but everything you say is negative.
No, I just condemn the government when it acts like a prick, it often has to act like a prick purely because it frequently relies on the support of extremists
I do not love Israel but do support that nation because they have earned the right to exist time and time again over the years
So you must also support other groups right to make their own nation there through force.
they have the right to build more homes etc.
No they havn't, they are party to a law that says they can't. If however they want to do away with that law then let them and see them face the consequences.
You say I reject the history? Please give an example, but like always you prob can't,
Been through that already, you claim that someone following the same policy that has run for decades is suddenly a case of changing Americas stance. You also made loads of claims about the history of Israel and americas relationships that were completely false.
I did suggest that you read the link Haplo posted so you could at least rectify some of your ignorance of the topic, after all its one of the best comprehensive and balanced sites around on the long running mid-east problem.
I am upset because the fraud currently in the white house has no respect for the alliance yet bends over backwards to talk to enemies, mainly due to his muslim sympathies, nothing else explains why he would go against them and treat Israel the way he has.

There you go again, you are working off a false premise about geo-politics, its no wonder you can't get into the topic.
It also shows your bias, why is the current president any more of a fraud than any politician?
We have already been through that last bit, in this last episode Bibi had his government turn round to his longtime friend and ardent zionist and very publicly screwed him.

Although the roots of the financial crisis date back to the Clinton years
The roots of the financial crisis go back way before then, much of it can be tracedto the removal of the safeguards that were put in after the last time speculation and easy credit led to a global crisis.

I do not want to label you a troll even though someone posted on board you and are and had a few private messages about it.
Would that be the "christian" preacher who doesn't know his scripture?:har:

BTW have you worked out why the creation of Israel was a bloody stupid idea yet? if the decades of unending conflict are not enough of a clue try reading the letter your president got from lots of famous people before the final vote on partition.

[Wolfehunter]

Remember - don't try to win against an idiot - he will drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience...... :har:I love this line. :yeah: Two thumbs up..

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Well, I just took a glance, and it would seem that a lot has been written. Why the verbosity?

[CaptainHaplo]

Bubblehead - prepare to wait forever. What Tribesman does is tell you what YOU said - then insinuate your wrong with some inane question. When you ask him questions - he will either ignore them completely, or tell you that he already answered it (apparently before it was asked)... There is a reason he is on my ignore list. Its pretty cool - you just don't see the posts by the people on it. I can't say I am suprised people are PMing you - a number of people I think have ignored him.

Now - to the subject.... Apparently it was all good fun to talk about killing Bush - but a few wacko's that act out suddenly are going to be used to "define" the entire opposition against the "chosen one" - and the hypocrasy of polls such as the one listed by the OP show how far the left is willing to go to silence opposition.

[Tribesman]

What Tribesman does is tell you what YOU said - then insinuate your wrong with some inane question.
Like asking why what was written by someone about scripture is completely wrong no matter which version of the bible you read:rotfl2:
Yes them questions about your special version of "Christianity" must be very annoying.:har:

Its pretty cool - you just don't see the posts by the people on it.
It is pretty cool, it means haplo can make claims that are not true, be shown to be making claims that are true, yet then continue with the sillly claim without knowing its been shown to be false.
Its the old "ignorance is bliss" approach, rather like sticking your head in the sand.