View Full Version : Patch No. 2 not to be developed...no more Support?
urfisch
03-20-10, 12:32 PM
This is the question. SH5 seems not to be sold, like they wanted. So the questions appears to me, if there will be no more support on this game. Is there anybody closer to some new info on that? Neal, maybe?
In the german forums there are rumors, which say the game is not beeing patched any more...
Rockin Robbins
03-20-10, 12:35 PM
Rumors are not worth the paper they are not printed on.
Yeah, info that is speculative is not much better than not info at all. Let's not spread rumors, shall we?
I mean, anyone can say anything right now and it would be about as valid as the opposite. Just wait and see. No sense acting indignant over a bunch of hot air.
Sonarman
03-20-10, 12:38 PM
What makes you think it's not selling well?... it was number 8 in the UK PC chart last week, no 5 in the German PC chart no 8 on the steam chart and no 2 in the UK D2D chart. The only place it doesn't seem to be selling well is on Amazon because of all the damning DRM comments. Perhaps we should post some more positive comments to balance things up a bit and increase the chances on an SH6.
I'm curious though whether there is some sort of publication agreement stipulated about the number of patches. Notice for example that the previous two games had exactly 3 patches after release (+1 add-on). I know that some major publishers used to limit the number of patches that would be issued for the game before it was even published. Not sure if that is the case anymore. However I would be very surprised if there were no provisions in the contract for this game for post-release support. That's really not how software generally works, so I'd be surprised if it was dropped. Something would have had to gone really, really wrong for that to happen. Honestly, if anything has gone spectacularly wrong so far it's the DRM. If Ubi hasn't dropped the DRM, I would be surprised that they would drop the developers. It's obvious that they're far from desperate at this moment.
Anyway, yeah, I don't think there's any hint of it not selling well, to be honest.
Gunnodayak
03-20-10, 12:47 PM
Let this bastard called SH5 die of natural causes.
The lack of feedback is astaunding!
Is'nt it commong sense to patch a game ridden with bugs? That way it could save them some dignity for this release.
Players are screaming for official word in the other forum and the moderators take notice, but still no word from the official channels.
John Channing
03-20-10, 12:54 PM
Did you read the post above you?
If you did, then why do you think that a person who worked night and day on something for over a year would bother to answer anyone's questions when they are greeted with an immature, sophmoric statement like that.
JCC
kylania
03-20-10, 01:00 PM
Please add an [Ignorant] or [Rumor] tag to this completely untrue and misleading thread title. :down:
I dont think your post was directed towards me but its a bit to sarcastic for my taste anyway. The devs, ubisoft etc dont reply at all to those questions, no matter how intelligent and fortcoming the actual question is and that ultimately leads to frustrated players. Are you defending their actions? Or their passiveness...
Arclight
03-20-10, 01:02 PM
Thought we already had confirmation on 1 or 2 problems to be fixed in the next patch?
Kapitanleutnant
03-20-10, 01:05 PM
It's true there won't be a second patch, my source just confirmed it.
Source: my arse.
Charlie901
03-20-10, 01:07 PM
Well I believe the REAL QUESTION is:
Is UbiSoft willing to let the Devs take the neccessary time away from their other project titles to PATCH this game and if so how much time and resources is UbiSoft willing to commit to any forthcomming patches?
Dan has said himself, publicly, that he's not happy with the state of this game upon release.
So, lets hope UBISoft listens to their customers this time around and lets Dan and the other Devs complete the missing features and properly patch this one, with as much time and patches as needed.
Unfortunately, based on UBISoft's past history, regarding SH releases and the fact that each game in the series gets released less complete and more buggy than the previous title, I'm not being overly optomistic at this point. :nope:
I'm curious though whether there is some sort of publication agreement stipulated about the number of patches. Notice for example that the previous two games had exactly 3 patches after release (+1 add-on). I know that some major publishers used to limit the number of patches that would be issued for the game before it was even published. Not sure if that is the case anymore..
Usually a certain amount of resources and (man hours work of the developers) are set aside for patches even before the game is published. Even the number of 'big' patches is decided before the game comes out.
Unless there's a serious game breaking bug, patches are usually delayed till there are a certain number of issues that need to be resolved to minimize the cost associated with testing and releasing it.
But why why!?!
For 10 years ago there were mostly addons, not patches. Games are becoming more beautiful at the expense of features/testing/customer support. Modders mod for free, because they love the game and thank god for that. Its really quite tragic. :timeout:
Rumors are no good. You can as well make something up, that's as significant.
But Ubisoft has been comparably silent in the past two weeks, not only in regard to SHV. I was waiting on some public press statement about any of the new PC releases, or acceptance of the OSP scheme, but nothing. I wonder what's up there.
Either they are all now feverishly working on the promised "make-up content" for their "server blamage", or they are preparing the patch to replace their already cracked OSP-DRM by the next generation that is even tougher (remember, Settlers 7 coming up!). Or if hell has frozen over by now, maybe they spent the last 2 weeks in "disaster meetings", arguing whether to pull back on the OSP concept and patch it out? What would I give to be able to read the communication between Paris and Bucharest now...
Easy Tiger
03-20-10, 01:26 PM
Sensationalist and unnecessary thread title imo :down:
mookiemookie
03-20-10, 02:06 PM
Rumors from people who have no inside knowledge, I'm sure. That being said, I wish they would just tell us one way or another what's going on. Keeping everyone in the dark is a dumb idea.
MODS. Please close this thread.
It is based on Rumor, or the voicing of someone that does not like the game and wants it to fail.
It does subsim no good
The thread is actually a question about the patching, to which no-one seems to have an answer or heard anything further.
urfisch
03-20-10, 02:22 PM
No, its not just written on rumors! But the uprising rumors are what made me ask this!
The mods in the german UBI-Forum are not revealing ANY information on that, just saying the decision for a next patch has not even been made yet. Thats a good reason for "rumors"!
Any contrary information on that topic? Please post it!!!
MODS. Please close this thread.
It is based on Rumor, or the voicing of someone that does not like the game and wants it to fail.
It does subsim no good
I agree. Please delete this thread.
John Channing
03-20-10, 02:36 PM
No, its not just written on rumors! But the uprising rumors are what made me ask this!
The mods in the german UBI-Forum are not revealing ANY information on that, just saying the decision for a next patch has not even been made yet. Thats a good reason for "rumors"!
Any contrary information on that topic? Please post it!!!
If it has been officially stated that "the decision for a next patch has not even been made yet." what contrary information are you expecting.
Do you think someone is going to post "Ok... I know we said the decision hasn't been made, but really we have decided and we just don't want to tell you because we really are enjoying all of the silly posts"?
JCC
SteamWake
03-20-10, 02:37 PM
If it has been officially stated that "the decision for a next patch has not even been made yet." what contrary information are you expecting.
Do you think someone is going to post "Ok... I know we said the decision hasn't been made, but really we have decided and we just don't want to tell you because we really are enjoying all of the silly posts"?
JCC
Ive heard stranger things... :up:
HundertzehnGustav
03-20-10, 02:38 PM
Let this bastard called SH5 die of natural causes.
:yeah::yeah::yeah:
Whats all the fuss about? If no-one has heard more info from the deep depths of the internet this thread will slowly die on its own, like any other thread.
If it is provocative to even ask this, it says something about the tension in this forum.
urfisch
03-20-10, 02:41 PM
If it has been officially stated that "the decision for a next patch has not even been made yet." what contrary information are you expecting.
Do you think someone is going to post "Ok... I know we said the decision hasn't been made, but really we have decided and we just don't want to tell you because we really are enjoying all of the silly posts"?
JCC
It has not been stated by "official" UBI_Mods..., but from a community moderator in the forum.
PL_Andrev
03-20-10, 02:57 PM
Without UBI support this game will be non-playable. This game have too many potential to lose it...
At some review I found info that patch will be released at Autumn...
:nope:
Sonarman
03-20-10, 03:07 PM
Autumn is a bit late for a game with such glaring issues especially in the save game/ morale area. You'd think now that we are tied to the Ubi server it would be much easier for them to do micro-patches updating bugs one at a time instead of as a mega patch later. In my opinion they must fix the worst problems ASAP (i.e right now) to combat the barrage of bad reviews on sites like Amazon.help
Safe-Keeper
03-20-10, 03:07 PM
Please add an [Ignorant] or [Rumor] tag to this completely untrue and misleading thread title. :down:
[TRL], for [TROLL], would suffice in a lot of other cases:shifty:.
MODS. Please close this thread.
It is based on Rumor, or the voicing of someone that does not like the game and wants it to fail.
It does subsim no good Inclined to agree. Delete it, or give it a tag identifying it as a false rumour.
Decoman
03-20-10, 03:16 PM
Sounds like a good idea. Personally I would simply reword the topic header.
Herodotus
03-20-10, 03:18 PM
Lock this thread...the title alone is pure trolling:down:.
Adriatico
03-20-10, 04:07 PM
Let this bastard called SH5 die of natural causes.
It could die of unnatural cause - called DRM.
It causes dad born babies... online singleplyer mutants.
Athlonic
03-20-10, 04:30 PM
Where's the link to the 1.2 patch ?
:woot:
:yeah::yeah::yeah:
Why is everyone so excited about it dying? Don't they realize that it's death will probably equal the end of the series?
That, and it DOES have a lot of potential. This is by far the most moddable engine we've ever seen. I'll eat my shoes if any of you aren't awe-struck by what we're going to accomplish in just a couple of months.
letterboy1
03-20-10, 04:56 PM
Both SH3 and SH4 were released in somewhat similar shapes and were given several patches.
SH3 which many are calling "better" is only in the shape that it's in because 1) it got initial support from devs in the form of several patches and, 2) the mod developers, especially the GWX team, have been at it for several years. If anything, the history of Silent Hunter since Ubi Romania took over tells us that we can expect great things from SH5.
The haters make me laugh. When SH5 is patched and overflowing with awesome mods, the same post-tards will show up here with questions like, "I've been away from SH5 for a while, what are the best super mods?" :up:
Safe-Keeper
03-20-10, 05:03 PM
To which we'll answer, SH5? Nah, that died back in March of 2010, where have you been?
For then to go back to our supermods, laughing the whole way:up:.
I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see a second patch. That the game was on 5th to 10th on the charts for a week means absolutely nothing. Being a reviewer i know that a game with this budget only needs to sell about 20.000-25.000 units to cover most of the costs. Keep in mind that this engine is old and only upgraded visually. What we have is the exact same engine as SH3 and SH4. Looking through the code establish this fact. There are tons of references to SH3 and SH4.
A couple of things comes to mind with this game. First of all is that they said beforehand that it would be way more moddable than ever and the "finished" released product clearly says they relied on it.
I could easily be considered a fanboy of Silent hunter by friends, and i really want to love it. But in all fairness, this game is by far the most incomplete and buggy game i've ever seen released to the public to buy.
The moral and level up system is a total mess. And this is one of the new major game features with SH5.
Don't give me the not needed or i don't like it anyways BS. The point is that it's what it's ment to be by the dev team. They wanted to do something new and different with the RPG system. And it would be kinda cool if it worked properly.
Important features are missing and left out. A load of commands left out. If you want it you have to rely on modders or learn to mod yourself. This is just not tolerable and i'm quite astonished that most of the gamers here just seem to accept it and thanks the modders. Are we really at the point where this should be accepted?
Is it we, the gamers, that should finish a game?
I think not!
Second issue is Ubisofts will to spit more money into projects after release. We can agree that Ubisoft isn't exactly well known to support games after release...well, if it doesn't sell millions that is. But even then they are cheap. The first Assassins creed got one patch i believe...ONE!
God knows how well it sold.
I have no doubts that the dev team wants to support the game but let's be honest here. Do you think Ubisoft spits more money into SH5?
personally i think no... there might be a second patch but i believe they will put the money into new projects. There are rumours already that Ubisoft Romania is already working on another project.
If we are lucky we will see a second patch but i don't count on it.
I challenge Ubisoft to surprise me.
Adriatico
03-20-10, 05:28 PM
Both SH3 and SH4 were released in somewhat similar shapes and were given several patches.
The haters make me laugh..."
:up:
Not really... both SH3 and SH4 were relased as normal singleplayer games... accepted and supported by wide community.
Where did you find "haters" ?
This is Subsim fans community... i.e. Silent Hunter fans community.
***
If you are treated as a client and partner, you would wait for your patch for 12 months or 24 months.
If you are treated as a criminal by Ubi... you won't waste a week in that relation.
:dead:
karamazovnew
03-20-10, 05:34 PM
There's gotta be a patch. It's actually annoying they didn't patch it ALREADY. "Let's see how the game sells before we fix it" is a very good reason to return the game to the shops. The game is broken. And the fact that SH is in the top charts just points out what a huge mistake it was to not give this series a fair chance.
And really guys (Ubi), do you actually believe we're gonna buy your NEXT title if there's any chance it's also bug-filled and without patches? And no, I'm not talking about SH6. I smell a HAWKS sequel coming very soon.
Charlie901
03-20-10, 05:35 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see a second patch. That the game was on 5th to 10th on the charts for a week means absolutely nothing. Being a reviewer i know that a game with this budget only needs to sell about 20.000-25.000 units to cover most of the costs. Keep in mind that this engine is old and only upgraded visually. What we have is the exact same engine as SH3 and SH4. Looking through the code establish this fact. There are tons of references to SH3 and SH4.
A couple of things comes to mind with this game. First of all is that they said beforehand that it would be way more moddable than ever and the "finished" released product clearly says they relied on it.
I could easily be considered a fanboy of Silent hunter by friends, and i really want to love it. But in all fairness, this game is by far the most incomplete and buggy game i've ever seen released to the public to buy.
The moral and level up system is a total mess. And this is one of the new major game features with SH5.
Don't give me the not needed or i don't like it anyways BS. The point is that it's what it's ment to be by the dev team. They wanted to do something new and different with the RPG system. And it would be kinda cool if it worked properly.
Important features are missing and left out. A load of commands left out. If you want it you have to rely on modders or learn to mod yourself. This is just not tolerable and i'm quite astonished that most of the gamers here just seem to accept it and thanks the modders. Are we really at the point where this should be accepted?
Is it we, the gamers, that should finish a game?
I think not!
Second issue is Ubisofts will to spit more money into projects after release. We can agree that Ubisoft isn't exactly well known to support games after release...well, if it doesn't sell millions that is. But even then they are cheap. The first Assassins creed got one patch i believe...ONE!
God knows how well it sold.
I have no doubts that the dev team wants to support the game but let's be honest here. Do you think Ubisoft spits more money into SH5?
personally i think no... there might be a second patch but i believe they will put the money into new projects. There are rumours already that Ubisoft Romania is already working on another project.
If we are lucky we will see a second patch but i don't count on it.
I challenge Ubisoft to surprise me.
Great post! :yeah:
karamazovnew
03-20-10, 05:39 PM
Actually if you think about it, SH3 received patches because they were also working on SH4. SH4 received patches because they had a team working on UBM. UBM received absolutely no patches (I can only guess how EASY it would've been to fix the Notepad, copy/paste from SH3, DONE). I believe tha after that release they were busy with another title.
Well, if the rumors are true and the team's been moved to another project, we can really kiss SH5 patches goodbye, based on previous experience.
Folks who call others haters are afraid of the franchise dying and they will accept any quality what-so-ever. They perhaps see silent hunter merely as a template to which willing modders work their as of to complete and enhance.
Folks who call others haters are afraid of the franchise dying and they will accept any quality what-so-ever. They perhaps see silent hunter merely as a template to which willing modders work their as of to complete and enhance.
That's exactly my point. Good to see i'm not the only one :rock:
karamazovnew
03-20-10, 05:52 PM
That's exactly my point. Good to see i'm not the only one :rock:
Oh relax, there's a LOT of us. The funny thing was that a lot of people never said "SH5 is a mess, devs please fix it", they jumped directly to "SH5 is a mess, get to work modders!".
Did you hear that Ducimus? GET TO WORK!!! You lazy bum :D (joking ofc)
Safe-Keeper
03-20-10, 05:56 PM
The funny thing was that a lot of people never said "SH5 is a mess, devs please fix it", they jumped directly to "SH5 is a mess, get to work modders!". Of course we did. Why wait for a patch when most of the complaints are tiny little things that it takes five minutes for us to fix ourselves?
Nordmann
03-20-10, 05:57 PM
The problem is in the fact that modders are needed to bring the game up to the standard it should have been in the first place. Why should these people slave away, doing the developers' jobs, when they should instead be enjoying the game themselves?
Yeah exactly. Its sad that we accept having several months long transition period where small, easily recognizable bugs are beeing fixed by modders. In the meantime, normal players shelf the game or play with inferior quality.
But this thread is about news about patches. Im more worried about the silence from ubisoft, dont they love us? We are their customers... :damn:
karamazovnew
03-20-10, 06:07 PM
Of course we did. Why wait for a patch when most of the complaints are tiny little things that it takes five minutes for us to fix ourselves?
I don't think you get the point... most people that bought the game had never heard about Subsim. The bugs in the game made a lot of people join this forum lately. There are a lot of people who don't use mods. The lack of info in the manual and the incomplete cammands and interface are not "tiny things', even though they were modded fast and painless. But the Save issues are humongous. Until they're fixed there's no reason to waste time on SH5 for any mod, regardless how simple it is and how good the modding tools are.
To use a car metaphor, it's like buying a car and when you see there's no steering wheel installed, you're told: "Well sir, we didn't have time to install a steering wheel. We suggest you go to MOMO.com and order a nice sport steering wheel. Most of our old customers were already doing that so we thought we left the wheel out and concentrate on the paint..."
Safe-Keeper
03-20-10, 06:13 PM
To use a car metaphor, it's like buying a car...No. Not at all. A car is a car, a game is a game. I'm usually very open to metaphors, and I use them a lot myself, but sorry, but this just doesn't fly.
karamazovnew
03-20-10, 06:15 PM
No. Not at all. A car is a car, a game is a game. I'm usually very open to metaphors, and I use them a lot myself, but sorry, but this just doesn't fly.
Oh come on... Steering wheel, compass? Momo.com, Subsim.com? No? Nothing? :wah:
Adriatico
03-20-10, 06:21 PM
Come on... bugs and noncences must be systematically fixed in ione download called patch.
Moders should make a game different, from arcade to sim, but not to clear and wash the garbage.
Could you imagine 14 years old kid, non English speaking, searching mod by mod, to make it playable... and not claiming refund to shop or website.
piri_reis
03-20-10, 06:29 PM
I just prefer to be patient.
This game will definitely get another patch or 2. They can't leave a very promising game in a buggy state. I'm guessing the sales would even pick up after the next patch and then with hopefully the sensible removal of OSP.
Considering all the new modding abilities, SH5 should be the best of the series in, well about 2 years..
:arrgh!:
Arclight
03-20-10, 06:30 PM
Oh come on... Steering wheel, compass? Momo.com, Subsim.com? No? Nothing? :wah:
You had me at "car metaphor". :haha:
Of course there will be patches, they have to patch it... right? :(
Safe-Keeper
03-20-10, 06:34 PM
Oh come on... Steering wheel, compass? Momo.com, Subsim.com? No? Nothing? I didn't say I didn't get the metaphor, I said cars and games were completely different things.
A game is meant for entertainment, and the worst-case scenario is that you waste your money and don't have fun.
A car is a means of transport, and it's vital that it works correctly, because it's lethal if it doesn't.
I suppose a better comparison would be a dessert or a toy or something.
"A spoon? Ooh, knew there was something. Er, if you go across the street, there's a very nice restaurant there that has some really nice plastic spoons, so if you go there and ask them nicely..." ;)
NefariousKoel
03-20-10, 06:38 PM
I'd be very surprised if it didn't get at least one patch.
Preferably more, of course, including patching out that horrid DRM.
Arclight
03-20-10, 06:59 PM
The least they can do, should they abandon it. :shifty:
That launcher sure has no shortage on patches... :roll:
AVGWarhawk
03-20-10, 07:00 PM
Patch? Yes! When? Not sure:hmmm:
Shure "elanaiba" come to us with fresh news! :yeah: :cool:
It seems to be selling well here in Toronto. On Friday Best Buy only had one left in the Toronto area. I drove an hour to get it, well worth the drive.
SteamWake
03-21-10, 10:30 AM
You do know that for every one of us here at subsim whom are mod 'savvy' there are probably at least 10 pepole who got the game and have no clue about modding let alone subsim.
What are they supposed to do?
Maybe put on the box (for a completed version of this game visit Subsim.com and learn how to mod).
EgoApocalypse
03-21-10, 10:39 AM
You do know that for every one of us here at subsim whom are mod 'savvy' there are probably at least 10 pepole who got the game and have no clue about modding let alone subsim.
What are they supposed to do?
Maybe put on the box (for a completed version of this game visit Subsim.com and learn how to mod).
They should and give a large donation for the work alot of the guys put in around here.:DL
Drifter
03-21-10, 11:04 AM
Folks who call others haters are afraid of the franchise dying and they will accept any quality what-so-ever. They perhaps see silent hunter merely as a template to which willing modders work their as of to complete and enhance.
Very well said Noren. And very true. ^
I see no trolling at all in this thread. What I do see is a very real possibility that there won't be another patch. The silence from UBI is deafening. I think the SH5 die hard defenders are starting to get a bit scared now. Muahahaha. :har:
Drifter
03-21-10, 11:10 AM
Oh relax, there's a LOT of us. The funny thing was that a lot of people never said "SH5 is a mess, devs please fix it", they jumped directly to "SH5 is a mess, get to work modders!".
That's exactly why I stopped modding SH5. I am not working for free any more to fix UBI's broken, unfinished crap. :shifty:
You do know that for every one of us here at subsim whom are mod 'savvy' there are probably at least 10 pepole who got the game and have no clue about modding let alone subsim.
What are they supposed to do?
Maybe put on the box (for a completed version of this game visit Subsim.com and learn how to mod).
If the monkeys at Ubisoft had not missed the evolution ladder and ended up like us, they would have put a "Check www.subsim.com !" and paid Neal some money and all those people would come here and find mods and help and find a good place for naval games online.
Don't attribute to malice what you can attribute to plain, simple, stupidity.
Arclight
03-21-10, 11:52 AM
I see no trolling at all in this thread. I think the SH5 die hard defenders are starting to get a bit scared now. Muahahaha. :har:
:hmmm:
blablablablablablablablabla................
Neurosis
Effects and symptoms:
cognitive problems such as unpleasant or disturbing thoughts, repetition of thoughts and obsession, habitual fantasizing, negativity and cynicism, etc. Interpersonally, neurosis involves dependency, aggressiveness, perfectionism, schizoid isolation, socio-culturally inappropriate behaviors, etc.
Madox58
03-21-10, 12:16 PM
Shure "elanaiba" come to us with fresh news! :yeah: :cool:
We'll have to wait for that.
:yep:
After some vacation time is done I'm told.
:03:
Arclight
03-21-10, 12:42 PM
Much deserved vacation time at that. Software development in it's later stages (crunchtime?) can be taxing, or so I understand. :yep:
Much deserved vacation time at that. Software development in it's later stages (crunchtime?) can be taxing, or so I understand. :yep:
Yes. Yes it can. :zzz:
NefariousKoel
03-21-10, 01:35 PM
blablablablablablablablabla................
Neurosis
Effects and symptoms:
cognitive problems such as unpleasant or disturbing thoughts, repetition of thoughts and obsession, habitual fantasizing, negativity and cynicism, etc. Interpersonally, neurosis involves dependency, aggressiveness, perfectionism, schizoid isolation, socio-culturally inappropriate behaviors, etc.
Didn't you post that in another thread too?
:haha:
Gandalfi2005
03-21-10, 01:50 PM
Oh no, now the German Forum Trolls have found the way to Subsim :damn:
Didn't you post that in another thread too?
:haha:
:nope:
A second reminder is nothing obsessive.
I wish the few zealots here would have ONLY posted their opinion twice about this game...
When I first saw this thread, I was worried. I even thought about revoking my order. But, after reading this, it seems to only be speculation. I'm still looking forward to getting the game and I cant wait to see what the modders do with this.
Safe-Keeper
03-21-10, 04:39 PM
Oh no, now the German Forum Trolls have found the way to Subsim :damn:
So that's why there's a separate German forum:rotfl2:.
codmander
03-21-10, 04:47 PM
Modders will stay clear of sh5 until DRM is disabled ---no more patchs and ubi is all done with sh series yup sounds right o well whats next for us subbers:hmmm:
Safe-Keeper
03-21-10, 05:59 PM
There's a hilarious irony in the troll threads being allowed to stay open (as of course they should), while the thread entitled "SH5 is incredible!" is instantly closed.
I wish all the naysayers would start their threads with "So I pirated SH5...":haha:.
mookiemookie
03-21-10, 06:01 PM
Modders will stay clear of sh5 until DRM is disabled
Yeah that's why we haven't seen any mods that address issues with the game, nor a mod forum with 8,000 posts in it already. :roll:
SteamWake
03-21-10, 07:13 PM
Yeah that's why we haven't seen any mods that address issues with the game, nor a mod forum with 8,000 posts in it already. :roll:
Yup yup.. mods have already done some fantastic work.
my favorite is the one that returns the old style controls.
Cool stuff like well a compas and depth beneath keel and other well basic necessitys are back.
Modders are the only real saving grace to this blank canvas. There was lots of talk about scripting, I'm anxious to see where that goes.
Still... they need to patch their product. That goes without argument.
SabreHawk
03-22-10, 12:57 AM
Well for those who really think that there wont be any more patches, think again.
If this were so then why put in an auto patchng feature that on startup looks for the latest patch?
Yes there will be more rest assured.:03:
Im sure we all hope so!!!!
Hopefully pretty soon and not in 6 months. But the lack of info is disturbing and one might wonder what bugs the devs will try to erase this time. Some feedback or (if god is willing!) dialoge with the devs would be awesome.
I think I speak for everyone when I say that we love the SH-franchise but at the same time we are mad at what has happened to it.
rea00cy
03-22-10, 02:40 AM
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A couple of things comes to mind with this game. First of all is that they said beforehand that it would be way more moddable than ever and the "finished" released product clearly says they relied on it.
I could easily be considered a fanboy of Silent hunter by friends, and i really want to love it. But in all fairness, this game is by far the most incomplete and buggy game i've ever seen released to the public to buy.
The moral and level up system is a total mess. And this is one of the new major game features with SH5.
Don't give me the not needed or i don't like it anyways BS. The point is that it's what it's ment to be by the dev team. They wanted to do something new and different with the RPG system. And it would be kinda cool if it worked properly.
Important features are missing and left out. A load of commands left out. If you want it you have to rely on modders or learn to mod yourself. This is just not tolerable and i'm quite astonished that most of the gamers here just seem to accept it and thanks the modders. Are we really at the point where this should be accepted?
Is it we, the gamers, that should finish a game?
I think not!
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:yeah::yeah::yeah::yeah::yeah::yeah::yeah::yeah::y eah:
You'll get a patch, I have no doubts, but remember, if they try to fix all the bugs, and went flat out, the patch might be ready early next year!!:03:
BigBANGtheory
03-22-10, 04:22 AM
What Ubisoft should do is:
1. Patch problem areas of the game i.e. bugs + gameplay enhancements.
2. Bundle in some new content.
3. Communicate their intention to deliver a 'super patch'.
4. Relaunch the game & make the super patch available.
If they do it right then they can recover the damage and get new revenue and set themselves up for either DLC or expansion sales.
Sgtmonkeynads
03-22-10, 06:16 AM
If that is the case...I want my money back, I do not pay companies to be a damn Beta tester.
Arclight
03-22-10, 06:20 AM
Not even if you get the game for free?
The General
03-22-10, 06:21 AM
This thread is about to be made very redundant. I'd delete it now if I were you and save yourself some face:stare:
goldorak
03-22-10, 08:28 AM
If that is the case...I want my money back, I do not pay companies to be a damn Beta tester.
Tough luck. No one put a gun to your head to buy the game the day it came out. What wrong with waiting a little to get a general impression from reviews, from gamers etc... of SH 5 and THEN make an informed purchase decision ? :-?
Uber Gruber
03-22-10, 09:05 AM
I have to say that some of the comments from more senior subsimmers is, well, very depressing. The constant putting down of other people is just not on. I suppose it goes some way to explaining the increase in other sub sim websites out there; surely you can't expect members to remain loyal and faithful to Neals years of hard work in the face of such pedantic and generally grumpy people ?
Can't you just not post if you don't agree with what someone wrote ?
People are generally good people, but sometimes they get a bit cheesed off and vent their frustration in these forums. You can't exactly blame them for getting cheesed off with SH5 can you, I mean lets be honest. So why not try to exercise a little understanding rather than running fer yer electric quill 'n hobby horses. Sheesh!
Cheers, UG
PS: No pedantics were hurt or maimed during the making of this commercial.
goldorak
03-22-10, 09:20 AM
Can't you just not post if you don't agree with what someone wrote ?
No, this is a DISCUSSION forum not a one party system. ;)
If this somehow offends your sensibility I don't know what to say.
As long as the discussion is carried on civilised terms what's the problem ?
People are generally good people, but sometimes they get a bit cheesed off and vent their frustration in these forums. You can't exactly blame them for getting cheesed off with SH5 can you, I mean lets be honest. So why not try to exercise a little understanding rather than running fer yer electric quill 'n hobby horses. Sheesh!
I understand and I agree with you to some extend.
But the problem is that it has been weeks and we all know it is unfinished (it's not worse than SH4) and it's no surprises (I know, it's not because it's no surprises that it's acceptable).
And it has been months that we all know about the DRM issue, it would be time to move on.
If some folks here still need to vent their frustration over and over and over again for weeks and months to come, they should think about another alternative to resolve their problems (after all, it's not like if their girlfriend had left them for another dude).
darkfin
03-22-10, 09:48 AM
I understand and I agree with you to some extend.
But the problem is that it has been weeks and we all know it is unfinished (it's not worse than SH4) and it's no surprises (I know, it's not because it's no surprises that it's acceptable).
And it has been months that we all know about the DRM issue, it would be time to move on.
If some folks here still need to vent their frustration over and over and over again for weeks and months to come, they should think about another alternative to resolve their problems (after all, it's not like if their girlfriend had left them for another dude).
I agree with what you said. But with that being said, it wouldn't be asking too much for someone from the dev team to just simply leave people know there is a patch/patches in the works. If they did, then that should be that. I would sooner know there's one coming and if it takes a reasonable amount of time, so be it. I would hate to get one that makes things worse than they are. Thanks to the modders I'm having a good time with SH5. I've been here for the "new" SH3 and SH4. There really isn't a whole lot of difference other than the DRM, and if that doesn't stop me, fine. Honestly it's been the modders that gave us the icing on the cake for both of the previous editions and without a doubt it will be them again who makes it all worth while.
Baffman
03-22-10, 09:51 AM
I've heard another rumor from the ubisoft italian forum. Two days ago a guy wrote that the next patch will come out in april or even in may.
This guy seems to be really sure about that, but he is not an ubisoft moderator so the doubt remains.......
Uber Gruber
03-22-10, 10:33 AM
No, this is a DISCUSSION forum not a one party system. ;)
If this somehow offends your sensibility I don't know what to say.
As long as the discussion is carried on civilised terms what's the problem ?
I have to agree with you in that if the discussion is carried on civilised terms then there's no problem. I suppose it's the condescending tones some posts adopt, from people who should be acting as ambassadors for subsim, that disapoint me.
I know many horses have been flogged to death and the regular readers have a right to be fed up with reading about them. But there are many forum members who haven't read all the posts, who are not aware of subject post counts and who also have a right to feel irked at their SH5 experience. Its old rope for sure, but for some its new rope.....and thats not even considering the more recent subscribers.
So, all things considered, can we not ease up a little ? I accept entirely that I am not without blame myself in this matter and am happy to lead by example if so required :O:
mookiemookie
03-22-10, 10:36 AM
I've heard another rumor from the ubisoft italian forum. Two days ago a guy wrote that the next patch will come out in april or even in may.
This guy seems to be really sure about that, but he is not an ubisoft moderator so the doubt remains.......
I'd be happy if they did this and took their time on a patch that addressed all of the major issues at once.
Faamecanic
03-22-10, 10:41 AM
If it has been officially stated that "the decision for a next patch has not even been made yet." what contrary information are you expecting.
Do you think someone is going to post "Ok... I know we said the decision hasn't been made, but really we have decided and we just don't want to tell you because we really are enjoying all of the silly posts"?
JCC
They have made a decision....... to make no decision!! How much more do you want?! :har: :damn:
So, all things considered, can we not ease up a little ? I accept entirely that I am not without blame myself in this matter and am happy to lead by example if so required :O:
Great post. I'm not without blame neither. ;)
Leandros
03-22-10, 05:17 PM
Yeah, info that is speculative is not much better than not info at all. Let's not spread rumors, shall we?
You haven't been in the Navy...?....Rumours are to be amplified and sent on....:yeah:
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