Silent hunter 5 is terrible! (merged)

[princzz]

I must say that I was a great fan of the Silent Hunter series. From Silent hunter 1, which was prehistoric, to Silent hunter 3, which was and extraordinary leap above Silent hunter 2. Silent hunter 4 added a beautiful gameplay and graphics.

Silent hunter 5 is another matter. This game has fallen from grace. It is not only not a fun game, not only can you not do the things it wants you to do like climb ladders and select dialog in many aspects, but the graphic intensity is ridiculous.

In Silent hunter 4, I could add every option in the graphics and my Intel i7 processor would have it working like water. Also, it would show in 1980x1080 because I have an HD computer. Silent hunter 5, won't even play smootly on my powerful computer. I don't know if it is the required internet connection or what (which is a turn off).

Some other things that are not fun are:

1. No compass....
2. No way to accurately use the sonar, radar and TDC
3. Slow interface
4. The rudders don't work properly from right, left and amidships.
5. Limited missions
6. The campaigns are slow and you don't know what to do and how to use it.
7. The control buttons don't always work as indicated.
8. There is no complete manual.
9. You can't see the submarine in a 360 angle.
10. You can't scroll through the other ships in your area when fighting.
11. The controls are primative and no where near as streamlined and concise as Silent hunter 3 or 4.
12. Water splashes on the screen during daytime and calm water!
13. You can control the deck gun or even go to it!
14. There is no tutorial (submarine school) to teach you how to navigate in this new game.
15. Crew management is non-existent!
16. Repair of submarine is not controllable.

I could go on and on. Silent hunter 5 is terrible and not enjoyable to play at all! If you buy it...you will be VERY VERY VERY SORRY! Especially if you have a slow internet connect or not a powerful computer. If you have a laptop, you will need an i7 processor with a 1GB Nvida graphics card. Even if you have a desktop, you will need all of that! AND More. You won't enjoy this game!!! You can see other reviews on Amazon.com (UBISOFT's exclusive distributer) or gamespot.

I must say, I did complete all the historic missions in one day...and started the campaigns, but it is not reasonable to sink 100,000 tons of shipping with only 8 torpedoes!

Dr. Jil:damn:

[Kar]

Wait some time until modders will do their job :arrgh!:

[Méo]

Hi princzz, and welcome aboard.

Sorry, but the only thing I have to say is that there has been a dozen of threads like this already.

You will maybe find solutions in the SH5 Mods Workshop forum.

[Decoman]

Yes, I wont play SH5 until it get patched up to a point where I will want to spend time on the campaigns.

Funny about the graphics. I disliked SH4 because of the imo weird coloring and graphic style, from what I saw on the preview/review material. Also the submarines from USA weren't that familiar to me. I imagined that they were rust buckets and basicly inferior in any way to the Type VII uboats.

[msxyz]

Wait some time until modders will do their job :arrgh!:
That's the problem

Most of the things the OP said were already present in SH3/4

Why modders should waste their time fixing deliberate design flaws?

Their time is better spent expanding games with a better base (ie SH4+UB addon) instead of doing what the developer were supposed to and that customers already paid.

What has SH5 really to offer? Better graphics? Yeah, marginally better than SH4 yet terribly more demanding in terms of hardware requirements. Full sub interiors? Puh-lease... that's to keep entertained kids; the novelty wears off pretty soon ad they're of no consequence to the "simulation" aspect.

Let this software die... SH5 already caused the death of GWX for SH4 which would have been a much better product than SH5 will ever hope to be.

[codmander]

:oops:Another.... sh5 great post...glad I saved my money:yeah:new things abound sh3:cool:

[sdflyer]

Welcome to the club of SH5 whiners :DL


1. No compass....
Yes there is in the later models right at the bridge. I have one in on my VIIC


4. The rudders don't work properly from right, left and amidships.

They do same as in SH4. SHIFT ARROWS, KEY PAD ZERO


5. Limited missions
Why is that? I just deployed spy near Liverpool, hunted an aircraft Carrier


6. The campaigns are slow and you don't know what to do and how to use it.
Read the forum


9. You can't see the submarine in a 360 angle.
10. You can't scroll through the other ships in your area when fighting.

This is not 100% realism


13. You can control the deck gun or even go to it!

I agree with you. You can easily control it or get to it


16. Repair of submarine is not controllable.

Actually I think there is

There is no mission in campaign to sink 100 000 tons with 8 torpedoes. There is however a mission to sink 100 000 tons until June 1 1940. You can made 6-7 patrols from the fall of 1939 to the June 1 1940 . It is pretty reasonable, and in fact I have achieved it already in march.

[mookiemookie]

:zzz:

[piri_reis]

:yawn:

Same old, same old.
Mods forum is always a better way to spend time then in here.

[Onkel Neal]

12. Water splashes on the screen during daytime and calm water!



During daytime? Daytime?! Are you sure?

[CCIP]

Well actually if you use free camera and run it close to the surface at fast speed, you'll get spray on it. Likewise, if you come down on deck close to the bow/stern spray you'll get it. Sometimes you'll also get it on the conning deck, but only rarely.

Hey, you're next to a whole ocean of water. I'd just put it down to mist or condensation. It's not like you get a torrent of water coming at you in those conditions, just small drops of it and very rarely.

[Barso]

It's not a bad game.
I think people need to stop comparing it to a fully patched and modded SH3 and SH4.
It has potential but that potential now is in the hands of the devs and modders.
Have the devs stopped posting here because they are working on patches or because they don't want to get involved in discussions that could and most probably would get roasted?
I would really like to talk with them but hopefully they are working on patches.
Why was it released so early,was it the end of ubisofts fiscal year and they didn't have splinter cell out to make up the profits?
it amazes me that they have scrapped,reworked and delayed splinter cell conviction yet this game just gets thrown out.

[DarkFish]

If you have a laptop, you will need an i7 processor with a 1GB Nvida graphics card. Even if you have a desktop, you will need all of that! AND More.Says who? I'm playing on a laptop too without all of that and SH5 works like a charm (ok, on low graphics settings, but still)
my rig:
Intel C2D @ 2.80 GHz, 4 GB ram, NVIDIA Quadro FX770M (512 MB), MS Vista Enterprise 32bits

[Barso]

I have a GTX295 and a core i7 but the game is not running sli.
It's only using one of the GPU's on the gtx295.
Hopefully a profile is released so that I can max this game.

[tonschk]

14. There is no tutorial (submarine school) to teach you how to navigate in this new game.
Jil:damn:




There is a tutorial , may be you can not find it , when you engage your first mission in the top center of the screen are coming step by step the tutorial what to do and where to click with subtitle and also somedody explaining what to do in english/german



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[Safe-Keeper]

What has SH5 really to offer?As has been discussed at length on these forums, it has a myriad of features to offer, including, but not limited to:


State-of-the-art graphics
Boats you can fully explore
Wolf packs
Milk cows
Scripting and terrain editing tools
An AI with far more potential than the ones in III and 4
Far more accurate harbours than in SHIII
Far greater diversity of missions than SHIII's "go sit in this patrol zone for 24 hours, okay? kthxbai".

...and that's just scratching the surface.

I must say, I did complete all the historic missions in one day...and started the campaigns, but it is not reasonable to sink 100,000 tons of shipping with only 8 torpedoes!Good thing no one's asking you to sink 100 000 tonnes with eight torpedoes, then.

During daytime? Daytime?! Are you sure? :rotfl2:

Everyone know water splashes are nocturnal. They're afraid of daylight.

Welcome to the club of SH5 whiners :DLWouldn't mind them so much if they didn't each think their opinion was so important it warranted its own thread.

[java`s revenge]

1. No compass....
Has already been made a mod for it.

2. No way to accurately use the sonar, radar and TDC
Same story and in `39 uboats hadn`t a radar

3. Slow interface
I don`t agree

4. The rudders don't work properly from right, left and amidships.
Has already been made a "shiv"mod

5. Limited missions
There will be made more

So please read the forum and the subsim mods list :yeah:

Here is the link for all mods which are already made,

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1286049#post1286049

[SabreHawk]

Well actually if you use free camera and run it close to the surface at fast speed, you'll get spray on it. Likewise, if you come down on deck close to the bow/stern spray you'll get it. Sometimes you'll also get it on the conning deck, but only rarely.

Hey, you're next to a whole ocean of water. I'd just put it down to mist or condensation. It's not like you get a torrent of water coming at you in those conditions, just small drops of it and very rarely.

Yup exactly.

And hey ya'll if ya dont like getting a little spray on ya, what'cha doin on a Uboat to start with? Or going out to sea at all for that matter.

"What'sa matta, fraid ya gonna get wet?"
(Davey Jones, POTC At worlds End)

Frankly im glad they modeled stuff like this in, it's about time.:yep:

Oh, and if any of you really hate it, uninstall it and take it back. I'll see ya in a few months when ya wish you hadn't.

[esculapio]

During daytime? Daytime?! Are you sure?

Yes! Im agree with him, also I got splashes in the sonar ROOM too! :haha:

[Nisgeis]

Yes! Im agree with him, also I got splashes in the sonar ROOM too! :haha:

Was your sub damaged and leaking? That happens now.

[esculapio]

Was your sub damaged and leaking? That happens now.

No, 100% healthy

[robbo180265]

"Welcome to the club of SH5 whiners:DL"

Wouldn't mind them so much if they didn't each think their opinion was so important it warranted its own thread.

I hear you loud and clear, getting pretty bored with it TBH

"DRM is bad M'kay"

"SH5 is crap M'Kay"

:damn:

[mookiemookie]

Me three. There's a sticky for player reviews...not sure why the mods don't just move all of this crap into that thread.

EDIT: well there WAS one. I suppose they got rid of it because, as Safe Keeper said, everyone thought that their gripes were so important they warranted their own thread. :roll:

[robbo180265]

Me three. There's a sticky for player reviews...not sure why the mods don't just move all of this crap into that thread.

EDIT: well there WAS one. I suppose they got rid of it because, as Safe Keeper said, everyone thought that their gripes were so important they warranted their own thread. :roll:


Lol - one big thread of whining would be much better IMO. It would make it easier for me (and the others who enjoy SH5) to avoid.:rock:

[IanC]

If the game has many problems, people will make threads about them. Tough cookies.

[robbo180265]

If the game has many problems, people will make threads about them. Tough cookies.

I've highlighted the bit thats interesting in what you've just said. You see, my game doesn't have many problems at all any more.

Edited to add, I wonder how many of the whiners actually have the game?

[IanC]

I've highlighted the bit thats interesting in what you've just said. You see, my game doesn't have many problems at all any more.

Edited to add, I wonder how many of the whiners actually have the game?

Well that's amazing for you! But like I said, if the game is bug riddled and half finished out of the box, people who just bought it will make threads.
And I'm not so sure "go mod it" is the answer to everything.

[CCIP]

Why not just use existing threads for it?

[SteamWake]

Why not just use existing threads for it?

It is much more self gratifying if pepole post in 'your' thread and agree with you.

It should start calming down soon. :salute:

[Onkel Neal]

Yes! Im agree with him, also I got splashes in the sonar ROOM too! :haha:


Yeah, but in the DAYTIME???? :o:o:o:o

[SteamWake]

Yeah, but in the DAYTIME???? :o:o:o:o

Heh...

It must be saturday :yep:

[pythos]

To the OP

How old are you?

Your post read like that of an angsty teenager, that gives angsty teenagers a bad name.

Sorry to have to say that, but that is what went through my mind when I read that post of yours.

Most of the complaints you stated have been dealt with how all Silent Hunter game problems have been dealt with. By great modders.

Take a look at the mods forum.

The game is not "terrible" it is incomplete.

Just like Sh2, 3 and especially4. But unlike 4, there seem to be few if any "fatal flaws", like the "the dive of death" or "the suicidal watch crew"

Give it time.

The biggest issue for me is the DRM, and screwy engine sounds.

[Decoman]

The game is not "terrible" it is incomplete.

I am discouraged to play the game beyond testing mods, so I would agree that the game as such is terrible. Graphics look nice though.

[HundertzehnGustav]

but that is not school... you are not guided in the techniques of moving, you have limited control, Orders are not clear, and if you fail the tuorial, you never get anywhere.

in shIII you had control over your sub during the OPTIONAL tutorials, the only thing that changed was the weapons systems available...

This sort of FPS tutorial is ridiculous to say the least...

[Safe-Keeper]

Yes! Im agree with him, also I got splashes in the sonar ROOM too! :haha:That's not water, that's soup!

Or...

[SteamWake]

That's not water, that's soup!

Or...

Yes its in the special soup but its a secret ingrediant.

[shmall]

I must say that I was a great fan of the Silent Hunter series. From Silent hunter 1, which was prehistoric, to Silent hunter 3, which was and extraordinary leap above Silent hunter 2. Silent hunter 4 added a beautiful gameplay and graphics.

Silent hunter 5 is another matter. This game has fallen from grace. It is not only not a fun game, not only can you not do the things it wants you to do like climb ladders and select dialog in many aspects, but the graphic intensity is ridiculous.

In Silent hunter 4, I could add every option in the graphics and my Intel i7 processor would have it working like water. Also, it would show in 1980x1080 because I have an HD computer. Silent hunter 5, won't even play smootly on my powerful computer. I don't know if it is the required internet connection or what (which is a turn off).



well if you such a great fan, how come you only have ONE post here and didn;t join untill march this year lol....

The game you talk off doesn;'t sound anything like my SH5 either, climbing ladders is NO problem, and dialogs are NO problem and GRAPHICS are awesome and smooth on my old PC??????
I only have an AMD 6400 duo cpu at 3.3Ghz
windows 7
4GB of DDR ram
and an ATI4870

I have all my graphics up to MAX and it plays smooth?

maybe you PC is nOT as good as you think?


Simon

[R-T-B]

Their time is better spent expanding games with a better base (ie SH4+UB addon) instead of doing what the developer were supposed to and that customers already paid.

Speaking from a modding position. SH5 is far superior base to previous releases. The other ones are so inferior as a matter of fact, that I'd never consider them usable for what I plan to do. And believe me, I plan a lot. :)

I have all my graphics up to MAX and it plays smooth?

It's because you have an ATI cards. You absolutely MUST turn off shadows on an NVIDIA card to get a smooth experience.

[John Channing]

Speaking from a modding position. SH5 is far superior base to previous releases. The other ones are so inferior as a matter of fact, that I'd never consider them usable for what I plan to do. And believe me, I plan a lot. :)


Oooooooh... Do tell!

:woot:

JCC

[Onkel Neal]

Speaking from a modding position. SH5 is far superior base to previous releases. The other ones are so inferior as a matter of fact, that I'd never consider them usable for what I plan to do. And believe me, I plan a lot. :)






:sign_yeah: :salute:

[Drifter]

Wait some time until modders will do their job :arrgh!:

It is not the modders' job or responsibility to fix and finish this half-finished, poorly designed, buggy game. Ubi was counting on this upon the half-baked release of SH5. I think many modders (myself included) are saying enough is enough. :x

[Safe-Keeper]

You're being overly cynical.

Look, I don't like that SH5 is unfinished either, but but like it or not, that's the reality, and no amount of grumbling or ranting or tantrum-spamming is going to change that. You can't just sulk in the corner like some disappointed child and say that you're giving it up on a matter of principle.

Two years from now, I want SH5 to be a thriving game with its own patches, mods, and supermods (or at least unreleased, soon-to-be-finished super mods). I don't want people to say, "sure, it had wolfpacks and milk cows and advanced teamwork with AI forces, but we let it die because having fun would send the wrong message":nope:.

[Captain_AJ]

Cant belive the sayings here about sh5 ,, I am a old man and some of the things that I like is playing with the sh series ..I am a fan !! still waiting for it in the mail

[SteamWake]

This is very curious..... Ubi.. "Here is this unfinished canvas, for sale reasonable price"

The modders reply "we see great potential here" ...

The rest of us... gee cant wait !

Also wondering if any modders are holding back in anticipation of a patch.

[IanC]

This is very curious..... Ubi.. "Here is this unfinished canvas, for sale reasonable price"


Oh? Was Ubi advertising SH5 as unfinished? Are they selling it at an 'unfinished' price? No and no.

[Cavell]

You're being overly cynical.

Look, I don't like that SH5 is unfinished either, but but like it or not, that's the reality, and no amount of grumbling or ranting or tantrum-spamming is going to change that. You can't just sulk in the corner like some disappointed child and say that you're giving it up on a matter of principle.

Two years from now, I want SH5 to be a thriving game with its own patches, mods, and supermods (or at least unreleased, soon-to-be-finished super mods). I don't want people to say, "sure, it had wolfpacks and milk cows and advanced teamwork with AI forces, but we let it die because having fun would send the wrong message":nope:.

You're making a great argument for waiting two years to pick it up, actually. It'll be $9.95, they might have gotten over their anti-consumer DRM fetish and removed it by then, the community will have modded the game to a well-functioning state...and I get to send my message in the meantime.

[tonschk]

Speaking from a modding position. SH5 is far superior base to previous releases. The other ones are so inferior as a matter of fact, that I'd never consider them usable for what I plan to do. And believe me, I plan a lot. :)



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:rock: I Agree :yeah: , I think :yeah: Silent Hunter 5 :rock: stock out of the box is Better and SUPERIOR to any previous released versions of the Silent Hunter series
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[The General]

I Agree, I think stock Silent Hunter 5 is SUPERIOR to any previous stock versions of the Silent Hunter seriesI will say that, heavily Modded, SH5 is fantastic!

It's a shame that The Devs probably won't read this far into a Thread that has a horribly offensive title. I wouldn't blame them if they had nothing to do with this Community again. The Moderators should've deleted this thread the moment it was created.

[The General]

During daytime? Daytime?! Are you sure?:rotfl2:Enough said.

[The Enigma]

I will say that, heavily Modded, SH5 is fantastic!

It's a shame that The Devs probably won't read this far into a Thread that has a horribly offensive title. I wouldn't blame them if they had nothing to do with this Community again. The Moderators should've deleted this thread the moment it was created.

Everybody is entitled to his/her's own opinion.
So I disagree with you on that point.
I'm sure the dev's will know how to deal with negative critisism.

It's a fan base here, ppl have positive experiences and negative experiences.
As long as it is ventilated in acceptable form, I can not see why the moderators or the admin should have closed the thread.

For the record, I have no opinion about the game play of SH5 since I've never played it.

It's just that I think freedom of speech is a basic human right.
No matter if you or me like the message or not.

Peace :rock:

[DanBolivar]

... the graphic intensity is ridiculous.

In Silent hunter 4, I could add every option in the graphics and my Intel i7 processor would have it working like water. Also, it would show in 1980x1080 because I have an HD computer. Silent hunter 5, won't even play smootly on my powerful computer....


I agree that many of the features present in previous releases are hidden or not as accessible, the mods will take care of this... Now, regarding the playability due to intense graphics.

I have it maxed out on all settings and highest resolution and it runs great!
Mine is a similar PC to yours processor-wise. What you may need is a faster video card or more RAM.

Also you may need to tweak the video settings. This is common to most any game that comes with high level 3d graphics.

I see this all the time from people with aging computers. don't blame the game, upgrade your box. Be happy!

[Vipper]

Long live SH3!!!

[Reaves]

Hi princzz, and welcome aboard.

Sorry, but the only thing I have to say is that there has been a dozen of threads like this already.

You will maybe find solutions in the SH5 Mods Workshop forum.


Don't blame the poster, blame the game.... It deserves many posts about how bad certain aspects are.

[John Channing]

Yeah, because complaining about the same thing over and over has always proven to be helpful...

JCC

[Spartan]

That's the problem

Most of the things the OP said were already present in SH3/4

Why modders should waste their time fixing deliberate design flaws?

Their time is better spent expanding games with a better base (ie SH4+UB addon) instead of doing what the developer were supposed to and that customers already paid.

What has SH5 really to offer? Better graphics? Yeah, marginally better than SH4 yet terribly more demanding in terms of hardware requirements. Full sub interiors? Puh-lease... that's to keep entertained kids; the novelty wears off pretty soon ad they're of no consequence to the "simulation" aspect.

Let this software die... SH5 already caused the death of GWX for SH4 which would have been a much better product than SH5 will ever hope to be.
Exactly. Modders should not be expected to fix a product that people pay a premium for. Moreover the devs know about this community and could easily use it for real QA but elect not to in the name of profit margins. Then to add insult to injury they lock it down with DRM.

The industry needs to change! Software is the only industry where you can willingly and knowing sell half finished products and get away with it. People need to stand up for their right and stop being sheeple. The more companies do it and the more they get away with it the more incentive they have to continue doing so.

That is why I stopped modding games. I got sick of dealing with crap trying to fix things and then have the devs try over and over again to lock things down even when broken. It makes me sick...

[daemonofdecay]

Exactly. Modders should not be expected to fix a product that people pay a premium for. Moreover the devs know about this community and could easily use it for real QA but elect not to in the name of profit margins. Then to add insult to injury they lock it down with DRM.

I agree very much with the spirit of those who refuse to by the game on moral grounds concerning the DRM. It is an insult to those who do purchase the game legitimately, and will only hurt their sales figures.

However I did purchase the game myself and have had no problems what-so-ever with it. I know some have, but in my personal experience it is (by itself) nothing that would prevent me from purchasing the game. And while the product does have its share of bugs (or maybe more than its share), I haven't found any of them that are game breaking on my end.

I think alot of the furor over the game will die down in the coming weeks. It's understandable why people are upset: we all have a passion for submarine games and with SH being the biggest gorilla on the block, it is only human to hope for it to reach our most basic expectations. We all have a common love, and we don't like to see it treated with anything but respect.

That being said, I am probably one of the few people who is perfectly fine purchasing a game knowing its the modders that will make it great. I love Paradox Interactive's games, but I know full well that the modders will take their good products and make them excellent. Of course PI, unlike Ubisoft, is very committed to fan-feedback and will release many, many patches to support their products. Not to mention the SH5 modders have a longer ways to go with this release.

But all in all I am perfectly satisfied with my SH5 purchase. I have been enjoying it for the past few days without any hangups, and the only CTD or other major event that disrupted my playing was due to my own computer and not the servers. So its not a perfect game, and it should have been released later to polish some of the bugs, and the DRM is an affront to gamers, but this game is not broken nor "bad".

It's like a dented Shelby Cobra that has flat tires and a cracked windshield. The potential is there, but it is going to take alot of work and dedication to really get there.

Anyway, thats my $0.02.

[Spartan]

I agree very much with the spirit of those who refuse to by the game on moral grounds concerning the DRM. It is an insult to those who do purchase the game legitimately, and will only hurt their sales figures.

However I did purchase the game myself and have had no problems what-so-ever with it. I know some have, but in my personal experience it is (by itself) nothing that would prevent me from purchasing the game. And while the product does have its share of bugs (or maybe more than its share), I haven't found any of them that are game breaking on my end.

I think alot of the furor over the game will die down in the coming weeks. It's understandable why people are upset: we all have a passion for submarine games and with SH being the biggest gorilla on the block, it is only human to hope for it to reach our most basic expectations. We all have a common love, and we don't like to see it treated with anything but respect.

That being said, I am probably one of the few people who is perfectly fine purchasing a game knowing its the modders that will make it great. I love Paradox Interactive's games, but I know full well that the modders will take their good products and make them excellent. Of course PI, unlike Ubisoft, is very committed to fan-feedback and will release many, many patches to support their products. Not to mention the SH5 modders have a longer ways to go with this release.

But all in all I am perfectly satisfied with my SH5 purchase. I have been enjoying it for the past few days without any hangups, and the only CTD or other major event that disrupted my playing was due to my own computer and not the servers. So its not a perfect game, and it should have been released later to polish some of the bugs, and the DRM is an affront to gamers, but this game is not broken nor "bad".

It's like a dented Shelby Cobra that has flat tires and a cracked windshield. The potential is there, but it is going to take alot of work and dedication to really get there.

Anyway, thats my $0.02.

You know, I could force myself to see past the DRM (I would simply remove it) and purchase the title but I wont. Simply because Ubi keeps releasing the product half baked. We are talking three iterations now and two from the same dev studio (I believe) with the same core issues dare I say failing.

On a side note, PI and SD are my two favorite dev houses. Shoot I been an "in-house" tester for them for years now. So my opinion might be somewhat biased.

[Méo]

Hi princzz, and welcome aboard.

Sorry, but the only thing I have to say is that there has been a dozen of threads like this already.

You will maybe find solutions in the SH5 Mods Workshop forum.Don't blame the poster, blame the game.... It deserves many posts about how bad certain aspects are.

I see what you mean, but you used the word post and I used the word thread.

i.e. there's already plenty threads about it, including a sticky.

[daemonofdecay]

You know, I could force myself to see past the DRM (I would simply remove it) and purchase the title but I wont. Simply because Ubi keeps releasing the product half baked. We are talking three iterations now and two from the same dev studio (I believe) with the same core issues dare I say failing.

On a side note, PI and SD are my two favorite dev houses. Shoot I been an "in-house" tester for them for years now. So my opinion might be somewhat biased.

Again, I understand the sentiment. But to be honest, I usually just look at is as a case of denying myself the fun of the game (with mods, of course) to prove a point, or actually enjoying the game (with faults aplenty) and just counting on the talented modders to fix some of the worst problems.

And one of the reasons I have really loved PI in recent years is that their licensing decision for their games means that groups that started out as modders can now actually make a profit from their work by selling full blown games based off of Paradox's own game engines. So finally modders are getting some financial reward for their labors.

[Safe-Keeper]

Don't blame the poster, blame the game.... It deserves many posts about how bad certain aspects are.But:
1. Forum search is your friend: You may have a question. It may be a legitimate question. It may be a brilliant question. Still, it may have been answered already. There will be a lot of people reading this board, and it is likely that your question has been answered by now [eg the English/German movie controversy]. All we ask is that you search before asking, as repeated questions will only clog an already clogged forum.

3. The Devs are on your side: Criticism is a natural part of the game-making process. Just try not to go overboard in your criticism. Many of us know the members of the Dev team, so abuse will not be tolerated.

No one's saying we shouldn't be allowed to say what we want about the game. What I object to is the spamming of threads about the subject when there already is a sticky "SH5 player review" thread for people to use. It doesn't matter if the subject is wolf packs, potatoes, how much you hate the game or the price of tea in China (although the negative attitude of the spammers certainly isn't helping matters) -- it's impolite and juvenile to make a thousand threads on the same subject when one will do just fine.

For crying out loud, there's a big thread called "SH5 is terrible" -- what's wrong with just posting there?

[Spartan]

[..]
And one of the reasons I have really loved PI in recent years is that their licensing decision for their games means that groups that started out as modders can now actually make a profit from their work by selling full blown games based off of Paradox's own game engines. So finally modders are getting some financial reward for their labors.

Word. :yeah::up:

You should also check out a close friend company: www.ageod.com (http://www.ageod.com/en/)

[Bilge_Rat]

:rock: I Agree :yeah: , I think :yeah: Silent Hunter 5 :rock: stock out of the box is Better and SUPERIOR to any previous released versions of the Silent Hunter series
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/6206/fantastic.png (http://img355.imageshack.us/i/fantastic.png/)


nice shot!

[Bilge_Rat]

Speaking from a modding position. SH5 is far superior base to previous releases. The other ones are so inferior as a matter of fact, that I'd never consider them usable for what I plan to do. And believe me, I plan a lot. :)



looking forward to it...:salute:

[Task Force]

Sh5 Had alot of possibilitys, could have been good, But all im seeing thats better in 5 than 3/4 is really the eye candy, The crew system IMO is alot worse, the game is quite badly optimised, and buggy as hell... I played it for a day and put it up cause I could have no fun... If I dived, I had to stay in the conning tower, or the game would keep going black screen and crash, and or be so laggy that I couldnt have fun...

[daemonofdecay]

Sh5 Had alot of possibilitys, could have been good, But all im seeing thats better in 5 than 3/4 is really the eye candy, The crew system IMO is alot worse, the game is quite badly optimised, and buggy as hell... I played it for a day and put it up cause I could have no fun... If I dived, I had to stay in the conning tower, or the game would keep going black screen and crash, and or be so laggy that I couldnt have fun...

I am mixed about the crew system. On the one hand I like not having to move men around manually or having to bother with that kind of micromanagement.

But on the other hand not only am I lukewarm towards some of the "special abilities" of the different men, I dislike that many of them require me running to them on the sub to activate them.

[SteamWake]

I am mixed about the crew system. On the one hand I like not having to move men around manually or having to bother with that kind of micromanagement.

But on the other hand not only am I lukewarm towards some of the "special abilities" of the different men, I dislike that many of them require me running to them on the sub to activate them.

Yea I dont find having to leave the bridge, run down two ladders, work my way back to the engine room, find the engineer and then tell him to "Overcharge" the engines then run back to the ladders and work my way back on deck very immersive.

Overcharge :haha: Overcharge extreme speed awsome dude !

BTW I got my boat goin 25 knots last night.... woooooosh !! :o

[daemonofdecay]

Yea I dont find having to leave the bridge, run down two ladders, work my way back to the engine room, find the engineer and then tell him to "Overcharge" the engines then run back to the ladders and work my way back on deck very immersive.

Overcharge :haha: Overcharge extreme speed awsome dude !

BTW I got my boat goin 25 knots last night.... woooooosh !! :o

Overcharge is one of the abilities that is given a Hotkey. They definitely made the most useful of the abilities easy to do with an F# button, but with so many buttons unused I was surprised that they didn't make more things binded to keys.

[Task Force]

Yea I dont find having to leave the bridge, run down two ladders, work my way back to the engine room, find the engineer and then tell him to "Overcharge" the engines then run back to the ladders and work my way back on deck very immersive.

Overcharge :haha: Overcharge extreme speed awsome dude !

BTW I got my boat goin 25 knots last night.... woooooosh !! :o

wow... if that was real I know alot of Uboat commanders would have been happy... that Is faster than the fleetboats. lol:rotfl2:

anouther issue for me with 5, the key setup, Im use to the arrows to move, but I keep changeing my course. lol, and im use to useing D to dive, and A to level out. lol

so instead of diveing, in Freaking moveing to the right... which sometimes, dosent work out all to good. lol

[SteamWake]

wow... if that was real I know alot of Uboat commanders would have been happy... that Is faster than the fleetboats. lol:rotfl2:

anouther issue for me with 5, the key setup, Im use to the arrows to move, but I keep changeing my course. lol, and im use to useing D to dive, and A to level out. lol

so instead of diveing, in Freaking moveing to the right... which sometimes, dosent work out all to good. lol

I cant tell you how many times I have ordered full speed ahead by accident of course at the worst of times.... stupid arrow keys.

I might just mod them out.

One thing they did get right is to get rid of the 'enter' key to fire the torpedo.

[SabreHawk]

Ya know I remember a time when everyone cried and cried to have a boat fully modeled with every compartment and to be able to freely walk though the whole thing. Now we have it, and not only can walk the entire interior we can also walk the entire deck.

And now folks are complaining about having it. I for one love it, and boy ya'll should know just how much work was involved in creating it. I cant even begin to tell. And I for one never liked teleporting from one place to another as we have had to do in the past.

Oh and BTW, you dont have to walk, you can run as well which I do often.

[Myxale]

Wait some time until modders will do their job :arrgh!:

Our modders are good, the best IMO...but even they answer to the laws of nature. :o
Even if they always find ways to cheat them. :rotfl2:


But don't hope to much!

[TopcatWA]

I must admit that having played all the SH series games over the years,
SHV is difficult to play being not used to the new command structure as
where the previous games had similar game controls which improved with each new edition.
I'm finding it so far when you are in a combat situation that giving instructions to your crew can be difficult & also finding where these
commands are in the game structure.
I suppose that adds to the realism of the game.:up:
Some of the mod command keys have improved the running of the game,
but one I have difficulty with is the 'Silent Running' command when submerged.
I guess as I gain more experience with the game concept it will be easier to play....as they say practice makes perfect.

[Barso]

The problem with the commands is that as a captain you should be able to shout out and everyone hears it.
Not go to someone, face them and have to mouseclick your way there.
Why not have: middle mouse click that brings up a set of commands and then just click your way there.

[Onkel Neal]

:rock: I Agree :yeah: , I think :yeah: Silent Hunter 5 :rock: stock out of the box is Better and SUPERIOR to any previous released versions of the Silent Hunter series
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/6206/fantastic.png (http://img355.imageshack.us/i/fantastic.png/)


Wow, compare that to SH3+GWX
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8084/sh3lp102uj5.jpg



:har: No comparison!! :o

[mookiemookie]

Wow, compare that to SH3+GWX

:har: No comparison!! :o

Wow...I never realized how dated SH3 is looking.

[Barso]

I know how you feel Neal.
Sometimes we should never go back and try and live our earlier memories.
Although I still play deus ex at 1920x1200 with supersampling on.
Still looks great in my eyes.

[U812]

Neal I couldn't agree more with your statment. From my gaming below. No mods thus far. Out of the box.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/U-812/SH5%20screen%20caps/u812_kill.jpg

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/U-812/SH5%20screen%20caps/SH5Img2010-03-17_181133.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=radFF17b-0g


Steve

[Reece]

No one is picking the eye candy, it's the bugs and functionality that wreck the game, plus OSP/DRM!!:doh:

[Onkel Neal]

I know how you feel Neal.
Sometimes we should never go back and try and live our earlier memories.
Although I still play deus ex at 1920x1200 with supersampling on.
Still looks great in my eyes.

Neal I couldn't agree more with your statment. From my gaming below. No mods thus far. Out of the box.

Steve

Yeah, it's pretty sweet. Funny how much they can improve stuff like this, when I thought at the time SH3 was pretty darn close to perfect, visually. You know, it's a joy after 10 minutes of transiting the North Sea at 512x, to drop out of TC and switch from the map to the bridge... still impresses me every time. :rock:

[nikimcbee]

Wow...I never realized how dated SH3 is looking.
No Kiddin!:o I'll have to cave in and buy it at some point.

[kiwi_2005]

The graphics are impressive the gameplay could be better and with egg on my face that DRM is a bast*rd! My internet is not good at running this game where i can't play it without timeouts disconnections. Waiting for Ubisoft to put out a offline patch... I don't get this time-out disconnections bullsh*t with blizzard servers, Battlefield, or any other online game but with SH5 its terrible. Ubisoft need to look at Blizzard and see how well they have done it. Even Starcraft 2 multiplayer beta which im playing atm and is a singleplayer game where we will have to be online like sh5 runs smooth as a babys bottom! No timeouts, no crashes just smooth gameplay.

[Red Heat]

I must say that I was a great fan of the Silent Hunter series. From Silent hunter 1, which was prehistoric, to Silent hunter 3, which was and extraordinary leap above Silent hunter 2. Silent hunter 4 added a beautiful gameplay and graphics.

Silent hunter 5 is another matter. This game has fallen from grace. It is not only not a fun game, not only can you not do the things it wants you to do like climb ladders and select dialog in many aspects, but the graphic intensity is ridiculous.

In Silent hunter 4, I could add every option in the graphics and my Intel i7 processor would have it working like water. Also, it would show in 1980x1080 because I have an HD computer. Silent hunter 5, won't even play smootly on my powerful computer. I don't know if it is the required internet connection or what (which is a turn off).

Some other things that are not fun are:

1. No compass....
2. No way to accurately use the sonar, radar and TDC
3. Slow interface
4. The rudders don't work properly from right, left and amidships.
5. Limited missions
6. The campaigns are slow and you don't know what to do and how to use it.
7. The control buttons don't always work as indicated.
8. There is no complete manual.
9. You can't see the submarine in a 360 angle.
10. You can't scroll through the other ships in your area when fighting.
11. The controls are primative and no where near as streamlined and concise as Silent hunter 3 or 4.
12. Water splashes on the screen during daytime and calm water!
13. You can control the deck gun or even go to it!
14. There is no tutorial (submarine school) to teach you how to navigate in this new game.
15. Crew management is non-existent!
16. Repair of submarine is not controllable.

I could go on and on. Silent hunter 5 is terrible and not enjoyable to play at all! If you buy it...you will be VERY VERY VERY SORRY! Especially if you have a slow internet connect or not a powerful computer. If you have a laptop, you will need an i7 processor with a 1GB Nvida graphics card. Even if you have a desktop, you will need all of that! AND More. You won't enjoy this game!!! You can see other reviews on Amazon.com (UBISOFT's exclusive distributer) or gamespot.

I must say, I did complete all the historic missions in one day...and started the campaigns, but it is not reasonable to sink 100,000 tons of shipping with only 8 torpedoes!

Dr. Jil:damn:

I full agree, mate!

After i play sh5 in a house of a friend of mine...it was the best thing witch happen to me...because i was a long time "in the harbour" and after a few war patrols if you call this...i run away to my place to play sh3 gwx 3.0 again, witch make me VERY VERY HAPPY! :D

P.S. SH3 GWX 3.0 RULES...

[Ping Jockey]

I went back to SH3 GWX Gold once again!!:yeah:

[Red Heat]

Well done...

SH5 sucks...and you will see it will be time to the modders start working in a brad new gwx to SH4...AND THEN IT WILL BE A GREAT SUCESS LIKE THE SH3 GWX 3.0 WAS! :yeah:

Good Hunting!

[mookiemookie]

and you will see it will be time to the modders start working in a brad new gwx to SH4:yeah:


Don't hold your breath.

[Faamecanic]

Welcome to the club of SH5 whiners :DL

Yes there is in the later models right at the bridge. I have one in on my VIIC


They do same as in SH4. SHIFT ARROWS, KEY PAD ZERO




Nice welcome :nope:

Actually NO the rudders do NOT function the same in SH5 as they did in SH4.

Hitting SHIFT Arrow gives you FULL rudder AND AWESOME/Insane/Crazy/Ludicrious Speed ahead (they cant call it FLANK speed ahead because the console kiddies wouldnt understand it I guess).

Or just use arrow keys for 1 degree for rudder (one degree??? wtf use is that?)

[Sardaukar67]

I think I skip this and stay with SH III & IV... DRM would have killed it for me anyway. Even silly scheme with activation that SiGames went with their Football Manager 2009 is not this stupid idea.

[shmall]

DRM sucks, thats true :(
only had one time when I couldn't play, and it only lasted about an hour, but I should be able to play offline when ever I want? :(

other than that, I like it.......it makes a nice change from SH3 (never enjoyed SH4 much)

amazed how people moaned that they wanted the whole sub modelled and when it is (SH5) they all moan about ladders lo0l ;)

[Decoman]

http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/pc/2010/03/23/silent-hunter-5-review/1

I noticed that Bit-tech.net has a review on Silent Hunter 5. I pasted the link here, but I have not read it yet. :haha: I'll take a look at it later this evening.

[Red Heat]

Don't hold your breath.

:O:

[Spartan]

http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/pc/2010/03/23/silent-hunter-5-review/1

I noticed that Bit-tech.net has a review on Silent Hunter 5. I pasted the link here, but I have not read it yet. :haha: I'll take a look at it later this evening.
Woozers! The reviewer righteously hammered the title somethin' fierce. :|\\

[rditto48801]

Woozers! The reviewer righteously hammered the title somethin' fierce. :|\\

Especially the ending bit on page 2.
When someone recommends a previous game in the series (SH4) or a movie (Das Boot) as a better choice than SH5, it gives a big impression that there is something horribly wrong with SH5.

Back the the subject of SH5 apparently being poor in its stock form...

I wonder if SH5 is working just as Ubisoft planned...
It's part of an odd theory.
That they are going to do with SH5 what they did with SH4 (release as buggy, not patch much, just enough to keep people interested, make a final patch only be part of an expansion that adds a lot of stuff and 'expands' the game, and then drop support in general after they get their second surge of income... or something like that, all while the Devs cry at what is being done or not allowed to be done with their work.)

Anyways, back on topic... again...
Even if only half the stuff from the OP are correct, it is still a few to many down sides for my tastes.

Looks like I am still sticking with SH3/SH4 for now. (to heck with graphics and eye-candy. I think I would prefer my old DOS, SNES and Sega Genesis games rather than try SH5 at this point... or worse, dig out Submarine Titans...)

[Reece]

I thought it was a fair review!!:yep:

[Sardaukar67]

Looks like I am still sticking with SH3/SH4 for now. (to heck with graphics and eye-candy. I think I would prefer my old DOS, SNES and Sega Genesis games rather than try SH5 at this point... or worse, dig out Submarine Titans...)

I think right now I'd rather dig out Command Aces of Deep, than invest on SH5...:arrgh!: Damn, I loved Aces of Deep.

So, I think I'll stick with my SH III with NYGM 3.0. My old rig would not like eye-candy that much anyway. :O:

[mookiemookie]

:O:

Now that's not to say there's going to be another group of talented modders who pool their abilities and come up with a SH5 supermod that will knock our socks off. Just don't expect a GWX brand name on it. :03:

[Uber Gruber]

Its MOOKIE!!!! :DL

How i've missed you mate....been hanging in these forums just to read your words and to salivate in your general direction. :yep:

Let bygones be bygones I say. So how about it buddy, you ready for a big hug from yer old pal Hans huh ? Go on, you know it makes sense. Just a quick snuggle and maybe a peck on the cheek ? Go on.....you know you like it ;)

[Onkel Neal]

:06:??

[St. Cobra]

Its MOOKIE!!!! :DL

How i've missed you mate....been hanging in these forums just to read your words and to salivate in your general direction. :yep:

Let bygones be bygones I say. So how about it buddy, you ready for a big hug from yer old pal Hans huh ? Go on, you know it makes sense. Just a quick snuggle and maybe a peck on the cheek ? Go on.....you know you like it ;)


Your trolling gets more insipid each time:rotfl2:

[Uber Gruber]

I think i'm taking it to a whole new artistic level :salute:.

[El Sid]

Hi people and sorry for such a negative way to introduce myself...and leave.

But SH 5 is without doubt the most disappointing rip-off, cow pat universe of a poopy game I have ever paid my pension money for.

It really is that bad.

Ubisoft's new generation of children have taken a brilliant (if flawed) WWII sub sim and totally ruined it.

It really is that bad.

How could these young guns take such an epic grasp of WWII u-boat warfare and do such a travesty of the atmosphere, interface, indeed everything, including the graphics? (The crew from SH3 moved me..these new clowns of a crew make me want to join the Royal Navy). You had the gold already and went with the bronze, fools.

I spent over $90 of my pension money on this cow-pat universe of ****e and as a result forwent a new battery for my little 19 foot sailing boat.

True.

This is the last Ubisoft game I ever buy, you crooks.

From an old salt.

Also, after I deleted this piece of robbery I played SH-3 (grey wolves...thank you people here so much) one last time. Then I deleted the lot and went sailing without a motor.

[Dowly]

Welcome aboard! :DL And hey, no need to leave if you don't like one game, there's plenty more here to stick around for. :hmmm::yep:

[McBeck]

Please stay away from the personal attacks....even if you are leaving :down:

[IanC]

Ok El Sid, your post is obviously a venting one, and you're very angry. I feel your pain.
That's why I always read reviews before buying. SH5 is getting nothing but 5 out of 10s and 2 out 5 stars etc... That's enough to stay well clear (for the moment).
Don't throw your copy in the trash! In a couple of years it will probably be a very good sim.

[alexradu89]

Giver it a year max and it'll be the best subsim ever made to date :up:

[Catfish]

Welcome El Sid !
Every real sailor is welcome :yeah:, i sail as often as i can, in real life.

Give SH5 a chance, and try it in a year from now. :up:

Greetings from the baltic,
Catfish

[Coldcall]

If its that bad just go get a refund. This has got to be the easiest game to take back to a store considering the DRM issues.

But i think calling it the worst game ever is a a huge exaggeration.

And you dont think the graphics are good? Maybe you need some new glasses old-timer :-)


Hi people and sorry for such a negative way to introduce myself...and leave.

But SH 5 is without doubt the most disappointing rip-off, cow pat universe of a poopy game I have ever paid my pension money for.

It really is that bad.

Ubisoft's new generation of children have taken a brilliant (if flawed) WWII sub sim and totally ruined it.

It really is that bad.

How could these young guns take such an epic grasp of WWII u-boat warfare and do such a travesty of the atmosphere, interface, indeed everything, including the graphics? (The crew from SH3 moved me..these new clowns of a crew make me want to join the Royal Navy). You had the gold already and went with the bronze, fools.

I spent over $90 of my pension money on this cow-pat universe of ****e and as a result forwent a new battery for my little 19 foot sailing boat.

True.

This is the last Ubisoft game I ever buy, you crooks.

From an old salt.

Also, after I deleted this piece of robbery I played SH-3 (grey wolves...thank you people here so much) one last time. Then I deleted the lot and went sailing without a motor.

[Adriatico]

And you dont think the graphics are good? Maybe you need some new glasses old-timer :-)

Maybe you need to try Bad Company 2, Mass Effect 2, or brother called Assasins Creed 2 ...etc.

This is year 2010 and graphics is average for a PC title.

Of course, if you compare it with poor old SH3 it is "great".

Clouds, sun, torp. explosion&splash, faces, ...it is not a " PC premier league "...

[Coldcall]

Maybe you need to try Bad Company 2, Mass Effect 2, or brother called Assasins Creed 2 ...etc.

This is year 2010 and graphics is average for a PC title.

Of course, if you compare it with poor old SH3 it is "great".

Clouds, sun, torp. explosion&splash, faces, ...it is not a " PC premier league "...

Ive played ME2 and its graphics are no great shape. Not tried the others.

However you are talking apples and oranges. Those are proper first/third person games. For maritime grpahics i have never seen better, more realistic looking than in SH5.

If you could show me a naval sim that has same quality graphics I'll buy it (if the gameplay is decent).

[ReallyDedPoet]

However you are talking apples and oranges. Those are proper first/third person games. For maritime graphics i have never seen better, more realistic looking than in SH5.



:yep:

[Lanzfeld]

El Sid,

They are releasing another patch so it shows they are working on this game.

Take your copy back for a refund. Wait about 1 year. Repurchase for 1/5th the cost and enjoy with no DRM and maybe a better game.

[THM]

Worst game I bought was Far Cry 2. Lots of advertising done and the result was a boring, repetive shooter.

I think, once all the glaring bugs and mistakes are gone, SH5 will become a great sim. We may have to wait half a year or so.

Cheers :salute:

[SteamWake]

El Sid,

They are releasing another patch so it shows they are working on this game.

Take your copy back for a refund. Wait about 1 year. Repurchase for 1/5th the cost and enjoy with no DRM and maybe a better game.

Where did you hear that? Did I miss something?

Never mind I saw it just now. Musta came up while I was away. Good news on the patch.

[shmall]

Hi people and sorry for such a negative way to introduce myself...and leave.

But SH 5 is without doubt the most disappointing rip-off, cow pat universe of a poopy game I have ever paid my pension money for.

It really is that bad.

Ubisoft's new generation of children have taken a brilliant (if flawed) WWII sub sim and totally ruined it.

It really is that bad.

How could these young guns take such an epic grasp of WWII u-boat warfare and do such a travesty of the atmosphere, interface, indeed everything, including the graphics? (The crew from SH3 moved me..these new clowns of a crew make me want to join the Royal Navy). You had the gold already and went with the bronze, fools.

I spent over $90 of my pension money on this cow-pat universe of ****e and as a result forwent a new battery for my little 19 foot sailing boat.

True.

This is the last Ubisoft game I ever buy, you crooks.

From an old salt.

Also, after I deleted this piece of robbery I played SH-3 (grey wolves...thank you people here so much) one last time. Then I deleted the lot and went sailing without a motor.

lol, I have to add that is the worst first post I have ever read too...... lol ;)

I have bought loads of ****ty games over the years, but SH5 is not one of them, yes it has problems, but NOT the worst I have ever bought in my life ;) :)

plus its so cheap now....down to £12 here in the uk, its a bargin :) how the hell did you pay $90 for it?

[Sailor Steve]

...how the hell did you pay $90 for it?
$90 AU. They cost more than real money.

[shmall]

$90 AU. They cost more than real money.

damn thats £54 in real money......wow thats over 4 times whats it selling for in the uk....that is expensive :(
or do they earn 4 times our average wage over there? $140k pa?

[Mud]

Worst game I bought is Sword of Sodan :o


Mud

[gum22]

I agree with ya, El Sid --> SH5 is a real POS at the moment. It's unplayable for this old subsimmer too. Game play sux. Realism sux. As released, it is an unfinished major step backwards in many respects from SH3. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone at all as-is.

Personally, I am still having a blast playing a heavily modded SH3/GWX. I've shelved SH5. Dunno when I'll try it again, but it will not be until after it is patched. Knowing UBI, I'll be shelving it again after the patch fails to fix basic flaws.

HOWEVER, I agree with everyone who sees the potential for SH5. Potential seems incredible! Like many, I believe that in a couple of years, once it has been patched and modded ad-nauseum, it will be an awesome game playing experience that will finally best SH3/GWX/SH3Commander.

Regards,

Gumby (<--real life small boat sailor too. Props are for kids! Give me a sunfish, 15 knots and a following sea!)

[Piggy]

Please stay away from the personal attacks....even if you are leaving :down:

Unless it was deleted without a noted edit, I see no personal attacks in his post.

Is attacking a piece of software is now getting personal?

[Skyraptor]

I agree. What personal attack are you talking about?

[captainprid]

Worst game I bought was Far Cry 2. Lots of advertising done and the result was a boring, repetive shooter.

I think, once all the glaring bugs and mistakes are gone, SH5 will become a great sim. We may have to wait half a year or so.

Cheers :salute:

That is my all time worst too!!!

......and i'm easily pleased!

[Buddahaid]

Hi people and sorry for such a negative way to introduce myself...and leave.

But SH 5 is without doubt the most disappointing rip-off, cow pat universe of a poopy game I have ever paid my pension money for.

It really is that bad.

Ubisoft's new generation of children have taken a brilliant (if flawed) WWII sub sim and totally ruined it.

It really is that bad.

How could these young guns take such an epic grasp of WWII u-boat warfare and do such a travesty of the atmosphere, interface, indeed everything, including the graphics? (The crew from SH3 moved me..these new clowns of a crew make me want to join the Royal Navy). You had the gold already and went with the bronze, fools.

I spent over $90 of my pension money on this cow-pat universe of ****e and as a result forwent a new battery for my little 19 foot sailing boat.

True.

This is the last Ubisoft game I ever buy, you crooks.

From an old salt.

Also, after I deleted this piece of robbery I played SH-3 (grey wolves...thank you people here so much) one last time. Then I deleted the lot and went sailing without a motor.

$90AU? What, or who are you people subsidizing, or are there still lots of those jailbirds the British exported kicking? :O:

EDIT: Oooh! I'm now Crusty and I like it.

[mcarlsonus]

I agree with OP !! I simply can't BELIEVE what Ubi's done here. Not only did they, "reward" us loyal fans with a POS, they REMOVED stuff that worked fine in previous iterations! Thank GAWD, though, I only paid $33US, including P&H...but I still want my money back!

It strikes me that it appears we've unintentionally encouraged Ubi to market trash due to our expecting modders to fix what's broken! Look at posts throughout this board. "Yeah, it's busted, but the modders'll fix it," "It'll be a great game after the modders get finished with it," etc. WRONG!

Why? Simply this. It's like telling Ubi we don't mind paying them money to do not only beta testing on an unfinished product, but we're willing to accept any half-baked piece of trash they put out because UNPAID PEOPLE WHO DON'T WORK FOR UBISOFT WILL FIX IT ---- FOR F-R-E-E !!!

Traditionally, modders have served to enhance ones experience with the game. Also, traditionally, those who use mods have had the privilege (and honor) of picking and choosing which mods they want to use. However, when one expects the modders to make the game PLAYABLE AT THE LOWEST LEVEL, that's letting Ubi off the hook...unless they want to GIVE the game away for nothing !

[Heretic]

I just don't understand this vehemance. In the twenty-five years I've been buying computer games, I've bought dozens of games that I ended up not liking due to bugs or bad design or whatever. Not once do I recall ever feeling personally affronted or felt the need to seek out a fan site - not even the publisher's site, but a fan site, to vent. I chalked it up to 'buyer beware' and failure to read reviews before I bought. Then I tossed it aside without a second glance and went on with my life.

[shmall]

I just don't understand this vehemance. In the twenty-five years I've been buying computer games, I've bought dozens of games that I ended up not liking due to bugs or bad design or whatever. Not once do I recall ever feeling personally affronted or felt the need to seek out a fan site - not even the publisher's site, but a fan site, to vent. I chalked it up to 'buyer beware' and failure to read reviews before I bought. Then I tossed it aside without a second glance and went on with my life.

same here, it is indeed a strange first post?
almost troll like?

[Adriatico]

However you are talking apples and oranges. Those are proper first/third person games. For maritime grpahics i have never seen better, more realistic looking than in SH5.

If you could show me a naval sim that has same quality graphics I'll buy it (if the gameplay is decent).

Apples and oringes took Ubi - not me. This is FPS/RPG/Sim and many of these features are average in graphics.

Of course that sea is the best of naval simulation - as naval simulation ganre simply does not exist seriously in 2010.

[Fantasm]

To be fair here, notice he said Pension money? People who live on a fixed income like myself do have to plan for expenses etc... finding out you've just wasted limited funds on something that shoul have been a lot better is going to be upsetting for everyone...
I too might have bought it, but the DRM news made adopt a "wait and see" stance... (still waiting, not seeing.... LOL)
Likewise, a man on a pension is not likely to have an extreme gaming rig. I run 2 decent ATI graphics cards, 3 gigs of Ram and a pretty decent machine... and I still find the graphics 'choppy'... I'd bet his bad graphics are due to the game's graphics not being optimised enough for an older machine....
Let's face it... Ubisoft should have put more work into the graphics end of it, especially for lower end machines... I can play most other games with my grpahics set to 'ridiculously high' and still don't get the lag and low frame rates of this game...
A game should not depend on it's community to make it work... the comminuty is supposed to enhance the game, not rescue it...

I honestly don't see Ubisoft doing much more with this game... I'd bet the chances of a good patch are remote... and even a partial fix may not be likely... they may just drop it altogether....

[JU_88]

If SHV is the worst game you bought, I reckon you havent bought many games.
Take PT Boats KNOTS for example.... :oops:

[Ark]

Maybe you need to try Bad Company 2, Mass Effect 2, or brother called Assasins Creed 2 ...etc.

This is year 2010 and graphics is average for a PC title.

Of course, if you compare it with poor old SH3 it is "great".

Clouds, sun, torp. explosion&splash, faces, ...it is not a " PC premier league "...


The Year is 2010.........and you mention Mass Effect 2? You can't even use FSAA in that game. If anything spits in the face of modern day PC capabilities it's not being able to enable FSAA. BFBC 2 is good (my favorite FPS) but needs improvements graphically, and I haven't played Assassin's Creed 2.

Regarding the year, what exactly does 2010 have to do with it? Feel free to name another simulator that looks better than SH5.
FS9? Nope.
FXS? Nope.
Dangerous Waters? Nope.
SB Pro PE? Nope.
Silent Hunter 3/4? Nope.
Lomac? Nope.
FC2? Nope.
DCS : BS? Nope.
Ship Simulator? Nope.
Knights of the Sea? Nope.
IL-2? Nope.
Wings of Prey? Maybe...but not up close. So, "nope" there as well.
WWII Online? Nope.
RoF? Nope.

If you think the games you mention above look better than SH5, than that is your opinion...it certainly isn't mine. The only thing I would really change graphically are the explosions, and I would put those back to how they were in SH3/SH4.

SH5 has great graphics if you have the hardware to run it. Anybody who says the graphics are bad either: A) Have lower-end hardware or B) Have unrealistic expectations.

Lastly, if this game is the worst you have ever played......you have not played many games. lol

SH5 does need a lot of fixes, but a graphical failure it is not.

[McBeck]

Unless it was deleted without a noted edit, I see no personal attacks in his post.

Is attacking a piece of software is now getting personal?
How could these young guns take such an epic grasp of WWII u-boat warfare and do such a travesty of the atmosphere, interface, indeed everything, including the graphics? (The crew from SH3 moved me..these new clowns of a crew make me want to join the Royal Navy). You had the gold already and went with the bronze, fools.
This is a personal attack, directed at the devs

[Sgtmonkeynads]

A game should not depend on it's community to make it work... the comminuty is supposed to enhance the game, not rescue it..

+1 , but thank God they have.

[longam]

here it is....

[drtechno]

The Year is 2010.........and you mention Mass Effect 2? You can't even use FSAA in that game. If anything spits in the face of modern day PC capabilities it's not being able to enable FSAA. BFBC 2 is good (my favorite FPS) but needs improvements graphically, and I haven't played Assassin's Creed 2.

Regarding the year, what exactly does 2010 have to do with it? Feel free to name another simulator that looks better than SH5.

SH5 does need a lot of fixes, but a graphical failure it is not.

Picking upon a near non-existant genre of flight sims, naval sims?
How about pretty much any car sim. released in the last 2 years.
Dirt 2, Yep
NFS, Yep
F1 2010, Yep
Burnout Paradise, Yep

[Adriatico]

The Year is 2010.........and you mention Mass Effect 2? You can't even use FSAA in that game. If anything spits in the face of modern day PC capabilities it's not being able to enable FSAA. BFBC 2 is good (my favorite FPS) but needs improvements graphically, and I haven't played Assassin's Creed 2.

Regarding the year, what exactly does 2010 have to do with it? Feel free to name another simulator that looks better than SH5.
FS9? Nope.
FXS? Nope.
Dangerous Waters? Nope.
SB Pro PE? Nope.
Silent Hunter 3/4? Nope.
Lomac? Nope.
FC2? Nope.
DCS : BS? Nope.
Ship Simulator? Nope.
Knights of the Sea? Nope.
IL-2? Nope.
Wings of Prey? Maybe...but not up close. So, "nope" there as well.
WWII Online? Nope.
RoF? Nope.

If you think the games you mention above look better than SH5, than that is your opinion...it certainly isn't mine. The only thing I would really change graphically are the explosions, and I would put those back to how they were in SH3/SH4.

SH5 has great graphics if you have the hardware to run it. Anybody who says the graphics are bad either: A) Have lower-end hardware or B) Have unrealistic expectations.

Lastly, if this game is the worst you have ever played......you have not played many games. lol

SH5 does need a lot of fixes, but a graphical failure it is not.

FSX, FC2 and even moded Il-2 1946 have better graphics.
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2984306/Some_FC2_0_screens.html#Post2984306

Clouds are 3D but look artificial. Moded ones look better.
Coast of Portugal (Giblartar mission) looks like Hungarian river bank :haha:.
...
Sea surface is great looking but... it must be that way. Sea surface is the same for all the parts of world... contrary to landscapes in these flight sims.

Explosions - no further coments...

I would say just average graphics all togather... except sea surface (but not under surface)

(I had occassion to watch the game... not only screens.)

[goldorak]

This is a personal attack, directed at the devs

Uhm you haven't look at your forum signature lately. :O:
If El Sid's post comes across as a personal attack, you McBeck don't honestly have a leg to stand on with all the "ubisoft hits silent hunter fans in the back" and "ubisoft kicks the SH V dev team" in your signature.

[shmall]

FSX, FC2 and even moded Il-2 1946 have better graphics.
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2984306/Some_FC2_0_screens.html#Post2984306

Clouds are 3D but look artificial. Moded ones look better.
Coast of Portugal (Giblartar mission) looks like Hungarian river bank :haha:.
...
Sea surface is great looking but... it must be that way. Sea surface is the same for all the parts of world... contrary to landscapes in these flight sims.

Explosions - no further coments...

I would say just average graphics all togather... except sea surface (but not under surface)

(I had occassion to watch the game... not only screens.)


Well I will say that Wings of prey has one of the best graphics of any flight sim imho, but SH5's graphics are very good too, far better than the default FSX and IL-2 you talk of, I have them all, so I know ;)

here are some of my screens of WoP http://s564.photobucket.com/albums/ss89/SimonV6_2009/SH5/WoP/
here are some of my screens of SH5 http://s564.photobucket.com/albums/ss89/SimonV6_2009/SH5/


both look stuning imho and better than the default sims you mentioned :) but then I guess, "Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder" lol, and it wolud be a boaring world, if we ALL liked them same thing, yes? :)
Simon

[Ark]

Picking upon a near non-existant genre of flight sims, naval sims?
How about pretty much any car sim. released in the last 2 years.
Dirt 2, Yep
NFS, Yep
F1 2010, Yep
Burnout Paradise, Yep

To quote one of my favorite tennis players, "You can't be serious."

You think it is wrong for me to compare SH5 (A SUB SIM) to flight sims and....get ready for it...NAVAL SIMS? I'm sorry, I was under the impression that SH5 was a Naval Sim. What was I thinking comparing a product to other related suject matter.

Let's go through your list, and add other car sims as well (since you opened that can o' worms, lol):

Dirt 2: Off road rally/racing. Takes place on small maps (comparatively speaking), and has nowhere near the amount of units, land mass, etc..as SH5. It also has overdone bloom/HDR. No thanks.

NFS: Nope, not in my opinion. It's also an arcadey type game.

F1 2010: Not out yet. All people have really seen are videos and interviews here and there. Same other issues as Dirt 2 above. Physics are also suspect at this point taking into account the team making it.

Burnout Paradise: Nope, not in my opinion. I honestly don't think it looks that good at all. It's also not even a simulator. *See NFS comment above*

iRacing: Nope.

GTR 2: Nope.

GTR Evolution: Nope.

RFactor: Nope.


Lets go into other simulators:

Railworks: Nope.

RailSim: Nope.

Trainz 2010 EE: Nope.

MSTS (with mods): Nope.

Anything else I am missing on the PC? lol

[Ark]

FSX, FC2 and even moded Il-2 1946 have better graphics.
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2984306/Some_FC2_0_screens.html#Post2984306

Clouds are 3D but look artificial. Moded ones look better.
Coast of Portugal (Giblartar mission) looks like Hungarian river bank :haha:.
...
Sea surface is great looking but... it must be that way. Sea surface is the same for all the parts of world... contrary to landscapes in these flight sims.

Explosions - no further coments...

I would say just average graphics all togather... except sea surface (but not under surface)

(I had occassion to watch the game... not only screens.)


If you don't mind me asking, what are your system specs, because I run all those games you mention at max graphics at 256ox1600 and none of them look as good as SH5. Well, it really depends on the value you put in each graphics category. Lomac/FC/FC2/DCS:BS all have funky looking dusk/night colors (that pinkish/orangish sky color kills me. lol


WoP, mentioned above, looks fantastic, however, zoom in close and the aircraft are not that high poly at all. The terrain/sky look georgous though.

FSX, even with the tons of payware add-ons I have, does not look as good, nor does it run as well, as SH5. FSX is fine for GA flight, but even then the terrain, cities, and pallete looks "off" to me. FSX does look good, don't get me wrong, but it also looks sort of cartoony...I am guessing from the color palette they use. FSX with REX/GEX/UTX/FS Genesis/etc looks really good, but something about it bothers me. I just can't put my finger on it.

I think Schmall said it best with, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." I still know people who think RFactor looks "the best" of any driving simulator. :o

[Adriatico]

SH5 was not on my rig... and I play GTX275 / 1680x1024 (2-4xAA) most of games.

But let us not steel the thread anyway...

[Fozzy22]

Oh dear, SH5 is now £12.98 on Amazon.co.uk, although i'm not suprised with all the negative reviews on it's page. The game really is shocking. :har:

[Adriatico]

Oh dear, SH5 is now £12.98 on Amazon.co.uk, although i'm not suprised with all the negative reviews on it's page. The game really is shocking. :har:

...and they steel keep their natural buyers away - with DRM
:06:
They wait for price $9.99 to start understanding that both wide community and pirates don't care anymore about this title...
:har:

Ashes to ashes, dust to dust... once upon a time, a game called SH existed in PC world...

[shmall]

The game really is shocking. :har:


whats with the stupid "smilie"? you seem glad that SH5 didn't turn out to be a popular as SH3 at first release? seems a stupid reply :(
the same reply with a sad smilie, would sum up what most people feel about SH5, sad thats its not as good as first thought due to bugs?

To me though, they released it to soon, should have released it in another six months, after loads more beta testing? but that seems the way of most PC games these days :(?

other than that, it has great promise, infact it already improved a lot with mods, and more patches to come :)

UBISOFT, PLEASE REMOVE THE DRM :( :( :( :( :( fed up of the game stopping ever time I lose my crap ADSL phone line connection :(

[Fozzy22]

whats with the stupid "smilie"? you seem glad that SH5 didn't turn out to be a popular as SH3 at first release? seems a stupid reply :(
the same reply with a sad smilie, would sum up what most people feel about SH5, sad thats its not as good as first thought due to bugs?

To me though, they released it to soon, should have released it in another six months, after loads more beta testing? but that seems the way of most PC games these days :(?

other than that, it has great promise, infact it already improved a lot with mods, and more patches to come :)

UBISOFT, PLEASE REMOVE THE DRM :( :( :( :( :( fed up of the game stopping ever time I lose my crap ADSL phone line connection :(

I wasn't putting the ":har:" as any disrespect to the modders who have done an excellent job. The stock game is shocking is what i really meant. I'm just not that shocked that the price came down to such a low now, it was always on the cards with the DRM and all the bad press it's getting.

[Wizz]

I'm disgusted at how much is broken in this game. It is disgraceful to have released it with so much content missing/broken. Why is that SHIII still shines through two subsequent releases (even vanilla).

One the other hand, the graphics are to die for. Have to take the good with the bad I guess! Fingers crossed for patching/modders to square away.

[AVGWarhawk]

One the other hand, the graphics are to die for.


:har: I got a good chuckle from that!

[Wizz]

:har: I got a good chuckle from that!

Ah, the ever present elitist forum member! :yawn:

Maybe you should upgrade your computer? :)

[audessy]

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g63/Audessymusic/screwelitists.jpg

I had to... :O:

Anyway. I'll look upon this game as I have with other games in the past. It's a great game engine with lots of potential.

Some day I'll be living my old AOD dream and actually walk into a nightclub and converse with the gentleman telling me there's a old VIIB still out there.

[Sailor Steve]

Some day I'll be living my old AOD dream and actually walk into a nightclub and converse with the gentleman telling me there's a old VIIB still out there.
You can do that now with SH3...Commander.:rock:

[Faamecanic]

You can do that now with SH3...Commander.:rock:

LOL...Steve. Watch it you might get accused for being anti-SH5 for that comment, or worse yet a forum snob. :)

[Safe-Keeper]

You can do that now with SH3...Commander.Any chance of an SH5 Commander or similar program at some point in the future, or is the programmer (JScones?) burned out and tired of making them?

[audessy]

You can do that now with SH3...Commander.:rock:

I know.

What I'm getting at is by allowing your character to walk in 1st person the possibilities are endless. This idea really woke up in my mind when I found out you could walk around in the submarine pen and talk to people. I almost had to clean out my pants. Not to mention they did that perfectly. When you end a patrol it still keeps the harbor loaded. I actually saw a ship explode for some reason outside while I was talking to the upgrade dude. :har:

[BamaFan67]

well if you such a great fan, how come you only have ONE post here and didn;t join untill march this year lol....

The game you talk off doesn;'t sound anything like my SH5 either, climbing ladders is NO problem, and dialogs are NO problem and GRAPHICS are awesome and smooth on my old PC??????
I only have an AMD 6400 duo cpu at 3.3Ghz
windows 7
4GB of DDR ram
and an ATI4870

I have all my graphics up to MAX and it plays smooth?

maybe you PC is nOT as good as you think?


Simon

Wow dude.....stay classy :up::up:

guess maybe he was referring to the game mechanics..... not the eye candy.
Game looks good, plays like sh|t, but at least it looks purty.

wonder if UBI was hoping for that......wow! SH5! sweeeeeet! <install> WTF!!! how do i...wheres.....its not..... look PIE!!

[shmall]

Wow dude.....stay classy :up::up:

guess maybe he was referring to the game mechanics..... not the eye candy.
Game looks good, plays like sh|t, but at least it looks purty.



well I was referring to his coment:

"In Silent hunter 4, I could add every option in the graphics and my Intel i7 processor would have it working like water. Also, it would show in 1980x1080 because I have an HD computer. Silent hunter 5, won't even play smootly on my powerful computer"

So I was saying that it plays sweet on mine (at 1920x1200) and yet my specs are not top class?, however I have since found out that it play **** (fps) on nVidia cards, so maybe he has one of those?


btw, mine plays sweet and looks great... dude ;)

[BamaFan67]

I have a Nvidia card, runs smooth as glass on my system.
Instead of busting on him about posting on a fan forum when he stated he has been a fan for yrs, how about, i dont know......try to help the young man. If your game is running smooth, and his isnt even tho he has a newer i7, make suggestions. Things like update drivers, directX, sound drivers..yes sound drivers do affect frame rates.
5 seconds out of your life to be helpful, thats all it takes. No need to LOL him because this was his first post. Hell ive been playing SH series since SH3, but i just recently decided to start posting after yrs of lurking.


forgot..edit:
mine plays sweet and looks great also dude
but you only have a duo core LOL an AMD at that LOLOLOLOL
Only 4 gigs of ram? roflmao
ATI4870? your killing me!!!

Dont like it much when someone busts on you, right?

[shmall]

forgot..edit:
mine plays sweet and looks great also dude
but you only have a duo core LOL an AMD at that LOLOLOLOL
Only 4 gigs of ram? roflmao
ATI4870? your killing me!!!

Dont like it much when someone busts on you, right?

lol, you really can not read, can you?
I have already said I don't have a top spec PC? Not done an upgrade in some time.....
Thats why I told him that even on my lower spec PC it runs fine, I have since heard that some nVidia cards have slow fps in the contol room?

[BamaFan67]

you totaly missed the whole point of my post and went right to your system. Ok your comp runs it with less than stellar hardware, couldnt you have made suggestions to help him with his problem seeing he is running an i7 and all. Something has to be amiss in his system. Wouldnt you agree?

[shmall]

you totaly missed the whole point of my post and went right to your system. Ok your comp runs it with less than stellar hardware, couldnt you have made suggestions to help him with his problem seeing he is running an i7 and all. Something has to be amiss in his system. Wouldnt you agree?

Well I think you may well have missed the point of his post too?
To me it seemed more like a "stay away from SH5, its ****" post, than a cry for help?
when you put this in your post:

Silent hunter 5 is terrible and not enjoyable to play at all! If you buy it...you will be VERY VERY VERY SORRY!


a proper cry for help would have got a different reply from me, as his post stands....I gave the correct reply, whether you like it or not :03::O:

[IanC]

I actually saw a ship explode for some reason outside while I was talking to the upgrade dude. :har:

:haha:... next patch should fix that, in the meantime pretend it's sabotage!

[cawimmer430]

I recently bought Silent Hunter 5 after much anticipation. Although I informed myself reading various reviews and watching demo videos of the game on the Internet, I didn't feel that the game was that terrible (as most reviews have stated).

So I went ahead and dumped a lot of money on the game, went home and installed it and played it.

I have to say, I am very disappointed. Truth be told, this game sucks. While I do enjoy the graphics and the fact that I can walk around my submarine, there isn't anything else that makes this game better or more enjoyable than SH3 for example. Overall, the interface has become more difficult and confusing and as usual with the Silent Hunter games there is no real informative tutorial.

And that's my biggest problem with SH5. The interface and controls, which have become so needlessly complex. What was wrong with the standard controls of SH3 for example? I thought every button and control function in SH3 was intelligently designed and allocated. The controls on SH5 are a pain in the behind and simply retarded.

Even worse, the instruction manual doesn't explain to you simple things like how to get your crew off the deck gun once it's manned or how the repair crew works etc. When I look through my UZO where do I see the distance to the target or the heading? Where is my TDC menu? :down:

There are more annoying things about SH5 that really ruin the fun. Why does my submarine always extend its periscope to full height when traveling on the surface? What the hell? I know this was sometimes done in real life, but the game seems to overdo it. Hell, even in when I am in a friendly port and my lookouts spot some German ships do they raise the periscope. Epic fail. :down:


Once again, the controls and interface of this game blows. I also miss the F5-F12 buttons from SH3 which allowed me to quickly be at another position in the U-Boat at all times. Sure, those are a bit unrealistic but it sure beats walking there all the time, especially in situations where speed and quick diving are essential. I despise the diving procedure in the new SH5 game. Here's why:

So, I started a career in 1939, did the whole Poland episode and then got command of my own boat. I selected a mission to attack the coast of the Eastern UK. On my way to the designated area, I came across a small merchant task force in the middle of a moonless night. It was escorted by a lone small warship. The warship was heading straight for me but had not sighted me yet. How do I dive? I couldn't figure it out for the hell of it. Then I moved my character below deck and hit the dive button - so that's how it works. This is an ass slow procedure. What happens when I am surprised on the surface by an airplane or more powerful warship? Seriously, why can't I give the order to crash dive and then move my character below decks? Why do I have to waste precious time moving his slow ass below decks and then ordering a crash dive.

Oh, and where and how do I control depth and measure depth below keel in SH5?


I wouldn't have a problem with SH5 if it was basically the same layout as SH3 with the added benefit of the better graphics, walking around the sub and more ships features of SH5. In my opinion, SH5 has become needlessly complex and slow (from an interface perspective) and these ruin the gameplay. I'm all for realism, but if the interface, controls etc. SUCK, then the game won't be fun to play. Period.

[tonschk]

Once again, the controls and interface of this game blows. I also miss the F5-F12 buttons from SH3 which allowed me to quickly be at another position in the U-Boat at all times. Sure, those are a bit unrealistic but it sure beats walking there all the time, especially in situations where speed and quick diving are essential. I despise the diving procedure in the new SH5 game. Here's why:

.

This is clearly and evident a first person shooter console gamer , the learning curve is too much steep for him

.

[ottomanne]

Hello everyone! This is my first post in this forum.

I bought this game couple days ago and modded it before i even tested it. And I kinda liked it (well more that SH4 but less that SH3). This game interface is chaotic and I am not sure did the ubisoft development team ever tested this game because it is the most bugged game ever made. This game is only well known uboat simulator today and it could be classic! And it still can be fixed. They have good base structure in this game, but it seems that they gave up at some point and never finished it.

This is simulator so I cant even imagine that what where they thinking when they released this game before you could even aim manually whit torpedo or listen sonar. Also the AI is stupid as hell. I can travel on surface to enemy port and blast everything in sight. Enemy destroyers should be aggressive as hell and I should be scared ****less when one of them comes less that 10km from my U-boat.

Sorry about all those spelling errors.

[Reece]

@ cawimmer430, I don't have SH5 but IIRC there is a GUI mod that addresses most of the interface problems, you will just have to check the mods section or see this thread::yep: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=163261
This is clearly and evident a first person shooter console gamer , the learning curve is too much steep for him.
If you don't have anything helpful/decent to say then don't say anything at all!:nope:

[SteelViking]

cawimmer430, you should really check out the downloads section for SH5 mods, there are a lot out there. I can't live without mods.

Here is my list so you can have a reference what to look for:

AilImpurity 1.2
Azs_Caustic_Mod
Conus' Graphic Mod R7Comp
Environment MOD_2.2
MightyFine Crew Mod 1.2.1 Stock faces
Nauticalwolf's Interior Mod V1.0
Dooms Decks for VIIABC41 1.4
Enhanced FunelSmoke_by HanSolo78
Window_Lights_Redone_V1
Wamphyri's Plane Mod
U-Boat Killer
Terrain_harbour_flags_Mod_v1_1
Sub_Exhaust_1_0_2_byTheDarkWraith
SteelVikingsAtlanticWaterv2
Sober's Interior mod
sobers base wave mechanics for SH5 v3
reaper7's Sky Mod
Capthelms Audio
AilBubbles 1.0 Micro
BRF 1.3 lite
Old Style Explosions V1.1
Upgrade for TDW Exhaust
NewUIs_TDC_2_9_0_Twisty_periscope_thingies
Reaper7 HiRes1.3 Mod
:salute:

[cawimmer430]

Thanks for the tips, guys. :03:

I have to say, I am still mega disappointed with this game. After my last post here, I didn't play this game for weeks. Only now did I decide to give it another go.

I managed to catch a lone merchant off the British coast in the early dark mornings. I came up on his rear (his 180 degree view), submerged and fired off a torpedo after locking him in my periscope. I assume this is how you target enemy vessels in SH5 (worked in the first Poland mission). This merchant didn't see me nor did he evade, and yet my torpedo missed. So I surfaced and sunk him with the deck gun (it was good weather). All of a sudden I am being attacked. I exit the deck gun and run to my tower and see a Royal Navy destroyer maybe 300-400 meters away from me - all guns blazing. Needless to say I couldn't even crash dive because first I had to climb the tower and enter the submarine. By then my diesels were destroyed and my pressure hull was heavily damaged and I had massive flooding.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? My watch crew on drugs or something? No f_cking warning whatsoever. Even submerged, my sonar guy didn't report a warship in the vicinity. Visibility was good, despite the dark and my watch crew don't report a f-------g destroyer coming up on me? FAIL.

The user interface and controls of this game really SUCK. They take way too much time and in combat situations this is deadly. Where are my advanced TDC controls? My depth controls? Where can I realistically see my rudder position etc.? The interface of SH3 was SO MUCH BETTER.

SH5 seriously blows in my book. Again, aside from the better graphics, walk-around-the-ship ability and harbor interfaces, SH5 doesn't bring anything new to the table.

Plus, the internet connection requirements are a pain in the ass. :damn:

[cawimmer430]

@ cawimmer430, I don't have SH5 but IIRC there is a GUI mod that addresses most of the interface problems, you will just have to check the mods section or see this thread::yep: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=163261
If you don't have anything helpful/decent to say then don't say anything at all!:nope:


cawimmer430, you should really check out the downloads section for SH5 mods, there are a lot out there. I can't live without mods.

Here is my list so you can have a reference what to look for:

AilImpurity 1.2
Azs_Caustic_Mod
Conus' Graphic Mod R7Comp
Environment MOD_2.2
MightyFine Crew Mod 1.2.1 Stock faces
Nauticalwolf's Interior Mod V1.0
Dooms Decks for VIIABC41 1.4
Enhanced FunelSmoke_by HanSolo78
Window_Lights_Redone_V1
Wamphyri's Plane Mod
U-Boat Killer
Terrain_harbour_flags_Mod_v1_1
Sub_Exhaust_1_0_2_byTheDarkWraith
SteelVikingsAtlanticWaterv2
Sober's Interior mod
sobers base wave mechanics for SH5 v3
reaper7's Sky Mod
Capthelms Audio
AilBubbles 1.0 Micro
BRF 1.3 lite
Old Style Explosions V1.1
Upgrade for TDW Exhaust
NewUIs_TDC_2_9_0_Twisty_periscope_thingies
Reaper7 HiRes1.3 Mod
:salute:




Once again, THANKS. :yeah:


Might be awhile before I play SH5 again. Right now, I am really annoyed with how crappy the controls of this game have become. SH3 was perfect in terms of stations/controls. SH5 is a nightmare and far to slow. I realize the immersion aspect works well, but there are times where quick buttons / shortcuts to important stations (depth, periscope etc.) come in handy and SH5 is lacking that completely.

[pythos]

When it comes to inept watch crew and sound men, I think it comes down to the experience system implimented in the sim.

Frankly I like it, but it was executed horribly.

The devs should had a training period in the pre war times, when Donitz was fine tuning the boats and crews for the upcoming war slated for....1945.

Yes that's right folks, Germany went to war far far earlier than planned.

The whole reason for going to war in the first place was to reunite the German country that was broken up centuries before. Or that is what Hitler was giving as his reason.

Well, as history shows the Germans went to war much earlier.

Well anyway. I wish there had been a training bunch of missions, from the commissioning of a new uboat and green crew.

As is, you effectively have a green crew when you are headed out on your war patrols. So what do you do.

Don't get involved in big battles yet. Stay clear of the big guarded convoys, which should be rare any way in the early portions.

Don't engage destroyers.

A low experience sound man will not detect things a high experience one will.

I think in the game they have also worked in the effect of panic. I can have my crew get the boat down fairly quickly (:35 ), on the call of a crash dive.

But if I am making that call as the enemy is shelling my area, the boat does not dive. It takes many attempts to get the crew to do their job. I am thinking this is a panic element that would be a very real thing with a green, inexperienced crew. IT WILL GET YOU KILLED.

Now, I am wondering if your crew truly does gain experience if you do numerous "practice" drills. Now if that is the case. THAT IS UNBELIEVABLY awesome!!!!!!

I hope they have done this. I know my crews are getting better at loading torps, shelling, and other things, so it is possibly the case with the diving.

[cawimmer430]

When it comes to inept watch crew and sound men, I think it comes down to the experience system implimented in the sim.

Frankly I like it, but it was executed horribly.

The devs should had a training period in the pre war times, when Donitz was fine tuning the boats and crews for the upcoming war slated for....1945.

Yes that's right folks, Germany went to war far far earlier than planned.

The whole reason for going to war in the first place was to reunite the German country that was broken up centuries before. Or that is what Hitler was giving as his reason.

Well, as history shows the Germans went to war much earlier.

Well anyway. I wish there had been a training bunch of missions, from the commissioning of a new uboat and green crew.

As is, you effectively have a green crew when you are headed out on your war patrols. So what do you do.

Don't get involved in big battles yet. Stay clear of the big guarded convoys, which should be rare any way in the early portions.

Don't engage destroyers.

A low experience sound man will not detect things a high experience one will.

I think in the game they have also worked in the effect of panic. I can have my crew get the boat down fairly quickly (:35 ), on the call of a crash dive.

But if I am making that call as the enemy is shelling my area, the boat does not dive. It takes many attempts to get the crew to do their job. I am thinking this is a panic element that would be a very real thing with a green, inexperienced crew. IT WILL GET YOU KILLED.

Now, I am wondering if your crew truly does gain experience if you do numerous "practice" drills. Now if that is the case. THAT IS UNBELIEVABLY awesome!!!!!!

I hope they have done this. I know my crews are getting better at loading torps, shelling, and other things, so it is possibly the case with the diving.


Even if the crew was inexperienced, a destroyer coming at me in good weather conditions is easily identifiable. I received no warning from the watch crew while shelling the merchant.

The job of the watch crew is to keep watch at all times, even when the deck gun is being used, to prevent the U-Boat from being jumped. I have a feeling these guys were watching the show... :damn:

Or maybe there is some hidden "LOOKOUT" option that you have to engage to get your watch crew to watch out for enemies... :har: