Sad really

[TDK1044]

5 years ago in March of 2005, Silent Hunter III was released.

Here we are five years later, and not only are many of the bugs and glitches the same or similar, but the end users now have to try and play the game online using unreliable Ubisoft servers.

When rumors of Silent Hunter 5 started to surface in September of 2008, my initial reaction was "please let this be a 2011 release". Once the March 2010 release date was confirmed, so were my worst fears.

I've asked my wife to look at purchasing this game for me for Christmas, but only if it's under $20 and can be played offline. :)

[Cavell]

Guess she better start looking for a nice tie.

[TDK1044]

Guess she better start looking for a nice tie.

:DL

[ReallyDedPoet]

5 years ago in March of 2005, Silent Hunter III was released.

Here we are five years later, and not only are many of the bugs and glitches the same or similar, but the end users now have to try and play the game online using unreliable Ubisoft servers.

When rumors of Silent Hunter 5 started to surface in September of 2008, my initial reaction was "please let this be a 2011 release". Once the March 2010 release date was confirmed, so were my worst fears.

I've asked my wife to look at purchasing this game for me for Christmas, but only if it's under $20 and can be played offline. :)

For me thus far the bugs in the game are a larger issue then the DRM. I should mention that the computer I am using has a wireless adapter, so I am not even running off the computer that is directly connected to our high speed.

Don't get me wrong, I am no fan of the DRM, but it's the unfinished game that is more of an issue which both 3 and 4 were as well, but not to this extent.

[Hitman]

Well ...

-I'm having a huge fun sinking tonnage with my uboat,
-I'm delighted with the superb graphics, detailed models, and amazing explosions and effects, as well as the realistic water
-I'm loving being able to play a hammered out game with most bugs and glitches solved
-I'm enjoy playing my game anytime, anywhere I want

Oh, did I forgot to say it?

I'm playing just SH3 and SH4 UBM :har:

[TDK1044]

For me thus far the bugs in the game are a larger issue then the DRM. I should mention that the computer I am using has a wireless adapter, so I am not even running off the computer that is directly connected to our high speed.

Don't get me wrong, I am no fan of the DRM, but it's the unfinished game that is more of an issue which both 3 and 4 were as well, but not to this extent.

It really is sad, Kevin. A new Toyota is a better risk than Silent Hunter 5. :)

[Rockin Robbins]

Well, maybe Ubi will see the light and fix the game. Like you I'm ready and willing to buy a DRM free game that fixes many of the glitches. My price point seems to be higher than yours, but I don't see that mattering as the first two requirements block any consideration of price...

I can't get over Ubi's attitude about the whole thing. This is how it is and if you don't like it too bad, don't buy it.

I smile and say okay!:D

Bet they blink first.

[TDK1044]

Well, maybe Ubi will see the light and fix the game. Like you I'm ready and willing to buy a DRM free game that fixes many of the glitches. My price point seems to be higher than yours, but I don't see that mattering as the first two requirements block any consideration of price...

I can't get over Ubi's attitude about the whole thing. This is how it is and if you don't like it too bad, don't buy it.

I smile and say okay!:D

Bet they blink first.

You're right about the price point. If the game was heavily patched and playable offline, I'd pay full price for it.

[tater]

I'd buy a DRM-free version for whatever the price was, even though I don't see myself playing it at all. I have to say, I'm fascinated by some of the campaign and AI modding possibilities, but I simply will not buy it if there is even a remote chance that I might ever be disallowed play (in my case modding) through any fault other than my own system, regardless of the duration of the problem.

If that chance is demonstrated to be impossible, I'd reconsider.

It is certainly strange and sad that so many stock sh3 and 4 bugs have propagated into this title as well.

[frau kaleun]

You're right about the price point. If the game was heavily patched and playable offline, I'd pay full price for it.

I'd've paid full price at release if it weren't for the DRM, and I'm not even sure my current computer would run it well enough for me to enjoy it w/o upgrades, which aren't going to happen for at least a couple years.

As it is, they may get $10 for it from me somewhere down the line, by which time it will probably have been fully patched and (I hope) the DRM removed, and my system beefed up a bit. That's how I got SH3, after all, but only because I didn't know it existed until six months ago, lol. Sometimes it pays to be out of the loop on these things (but in my case it's not paying very well for Ubi this time around). :D

[Cavell]

Bet they blink first.

Nah. They've maneuvered themselves into a position where they simply can't back down thanks to all their, "This is how we're going to end piracy FOREVER" BS.

It's a shame, because I'd pick it up just to support the sub sim genre if the DRM weren't attached, despite the fact that I hear it's pretty craptastic. Until the DRM goes, though, I won't touch it.

[Adriatico]

When rumors of Silent Hunter 5 started to surface in September of 2008,...

You mean when nasty salvo of Ubi torpedos hit the GWX4 project... aleady half finished... :nope:
:dead:

[Noren]

Salvos from ubisoft? Please elaborate!

[Yorktown_Class]

Well ...

-I'm having a huge fun sinking tonnage with my uboat,
-I'm delighted with the superb graphics, detailed models, and amazing explosions and effects, as well as the realistic water
-I'm loving being able to play a hammered out game with most bugs and glitches solved
-I'm enjoy playing my game anytime, anywhere I want

Oh, did I forgot to say it?

I'm playing just SH3 and SH4 UBM :har:

LOL Me too:yeah:

[Catfish]

Hello,
well in terms of completion, gameplay, historical accuracy and maybe some more features i still think Silent Hunter III is the simulation, especially with GWX or other mod packages, the later graphic improvements, lifeboats, realistic sinking times and whatnot, and this torpedo attack GUI from OneLifeCrisis/OLC.

Silent Hunter IV is not bad as well, there is already a complete german U-boat campaign possible, from Europe to the US, to Indonesia, with all kinds of historic events happening (Norway, Bismarck, Happy times and whatnot) and other improvements - and beautiful graphics !
And while it is not so complete as SH3, it has become an awesome sim. Unfortunately the GWX team stopped their efforts to further improve it, but others go on and what's already there is really very nice.
And no intrusive DRM, not even a disk check anymore. I just bought the U-boat add-on and the Gold edition a second time for a bargain, just to have the physical disk for an installation after a harddisk failure.


And i returned SH 5, i have not been able to play for the better part of three weeks, maybe 2 out of ten times, and never on the weekends (when i had time). I will maybe buy it later, when
a) the online requirement has been dropped
b) some more official patches are out, sorting out the most ugly bugs

It will certainly also improve over time with all those talented modders being "at it".

Greetings,
Catfish

[Sailor Steve]

I too am one of the ones who would cheerfully pay full price if the OSP is removed, even though I'm currently not in a position to play anything at all. I bought SH3 when my computer wouldn't run it, and I bought SH4 while I was still homeless the first time.

Salvos from ubisoft? Please elaborate!
There are some people laboring under the odd impression that UBIsoft timed the release of SH5 intentionally and specifically to discourage the Grey Wolves from finishing GWX4. I think that's a bit far-fetched, but stranger things have happened.

[Hitman]

I bought SH3 when my computer wouldn't run it, and I bought SH4 while I was still homeless the first time.


Hummm ... a pretty annoying sequence :-?

SH3 came out when you had an old computer

SH4 when you were homeless

SH5 when you don't have internet except in the public library, and no PC to run it

I hope there is no SH6, or we will need to send you flowers to the graveyard :o

[Ducimus]

When i think of SH4 now, i think of that scene from Gran Torino where clint eastwoods sitting on the porch, drinking a beer, adming that shined up car, saying, "aint she a bueat!"

[Sailor Steve]

I hope there is no SH6, or we will need to send you flowers to the graveyard :o
:rotfl2:

There's still time. I'm guessing by the time OSP is gone and patches and mods are making it better I'll be ready to play it.

Meanwhile I have the money set aside to go to New London for this year's Subsim Meet, so things ain't all bad.

And I have everything I need for the SH3 Ship Names mod stored on my flash drive, so work on that continues apace.:sunny:

[KL-alfman]

Meanwhile I have the money set aside to go to New London for this year's Subsim Meet, so things ain't all bad.


completely off-topic:

is the location already decided??

[Sailor Steve]

completely off-topic:

is the location already decided??
For more than a week now:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=164455

[KL-alfman]

For more than a week now:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=164455


thx, Steve! :up:

[Adriatico]

I too am one of the ones who would cheerfully pay full price if the OSP is removed, even though I'm currently not in a position to play anything at all. I bought SH3 when my computer wouldn't run it, and I bought SH4 while I was still homeless the first time.


There are some people laboring under the odd impression that UBIsoft timed the release of SH5 intentionally and specifically to discourage the Grey Wolves from finishing GWX4. I think that's a bit far-fetched, but stranger things have happened.

SH5 is even today unfinished game... so just imagine how it looked like in September 09 when it was announced.

Why was DRM hidden for a months ?

Simply, with a finished and operational GWX4 (offline simulator) just imagine "sales chances" of unfinished online arcade...

5 years child would understand that GWX4 should have been cleared away from their SH5 path... They estimated that correctly.

How many players on this forum announced return to GWX3 till something huge is changed...? So just imagine that "migration" with GWX4.

Ubi knew that very well...:nope:

For people that don't see that... it is pointless to "elaborate".

If DRM is service on behalf of clients... why was it top secret till January10? Off course, GWX4 would have never been cancelled if it was announced in September09...

[tater]

A complete non-issue (post above).

SH5 clearly has some improvements over SH4—even if half-baked—and interiors minus some of the stuff in SH5 are entirely pointless. heck, they are mostly pointless WITH the stuff in SH5. Other than that, there was already a pretty capable campaign in the ATO as I recall (OM), and if it is half as accurate as RSRD, it is peerless. As it is, SH4 modding is incredibly mature, there is little left to be done other than slight changes in "vision" of whatever the overall product might be in a large mod.

From an outsider's perspective, some of the new SH5 capability WRT missions, and AI (both tactical, and operational stuff like rerouting convoys) is significant and quite interesting.

[Ducimus]

Someone in this thread must live on another planet.

edit:
To hell with it, i changed my mind about being nice. Im tired of reading this garbarge.

Adriatico, what planet are you from anyway? Do you really believe that crap your slinging everywhere?

Read this (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1293949&postcount=82), and guess then guess what, one of your hero's you worship happens to agree with me. (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1296355&postcount=85).


Another thing Adriatico, the manure you've been flinging implies that there are no other modders worth a damn except GWX, and other mods may as well not exist or are crap that is not worth using. Since i've been known to mod alot, i can't tell you how much i appreciate that.

I've been biting my lip on this a few months now. Now im finally saying something. So there you have it.

[CaptainHaplo]

Ducimus - remember that you can never please everyone - and a whole lot of people have downloaded and enjoyed your work - myself included. No need to go rocketing off the porch because of one ungrateful miscreant. The reality is that one need just look at the downloads to see your stuff has been almost universally accepted.

[Yorktown_Class]

Ducimus - remember that you can never please everyone - and a whole lot of people have downloaded and enjoyed your work - myself included. No need to go rocketing off the porch because of one ungrateful miscreant. The reality is that one need just look at the downloads to see your stuff has been almost universally accepted.

Same here,my SH4 is full of Ducimus work,and I love it..

I don't post much but im here everyday,and I want to thank Ducimus for his fine work through the years..your work ROCKS..THANK YOU:))

[subsimlee]

For me thus far the bugs in the game are a larger issue then the DRM. I should mention that the computer I am using has a wireless adapter, so I am not even running off the computer that is directly connected to our high speed.

Don't get me wrong, I am no fan of the DRM, but it's the unfinished game that is more of an issue which both 3 and 4 were as well, but not to this extent.

My feelings exactly. I returned the game and posted that I would buy it back when DRM was user friendly. After some further investigation I probably won't. I expect the modders will work wonders but I doubt Ubi will issue any more patches. This game is such an abortion they'll probably cut their losses and bailout. I also dare to criticize the devs who for all their hard work had a hand in this unfortunate mess!!! ( I know that is a very unpopular statement to make Neal but it's IMO )

[Adriatico]

Someone in this thread must live on another planet.

edit:
To hell with it, i changed my mind about being nice. Im tired of reading this garbarge.

Adriatico, what planet are you from anyway? Do you really believe that crap your slinging everywhere?

Read this (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1293949&postcount=82), and guess then guess what, one of your hero's you worship happens to agree with me. (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1296355&postcount=85).


Another thing Adriatico, the manure you've been flinging implies that there are no other modders worth a damn except GWX, and other mods may as well not exist or are crap that is not worth using. Since i've been known to mod alot, i can't tell you how much i appreciate that.

I've been biting my lip on this a few months now. Now im finally saying something. So there you have it.

If you read this thread - i was asked to elaborate. I am too old to have a personal heroes.

It is not about offending your moding abilities... it is about offline simulation that stood on SH5 marketing path.

Don't make a constructions what I imply... It is very clear and simple what I said.

Talking about people that agree with you... there will be more and more in a future... as subsimmers will not have a choice. Guess why...?

If people don't have a beer or vine to drink... It will be water... sooner or later.

Lack of choice - is miracle selling formula.

I don't think that Ubi just forgot to announce DRM in September09... If you think OK. I won't be agressive...

[Rockin Robbins]

Adriatico, I think it's clear you are saying that SH5 was a knife purposely directed at the heart of the Grey Wolves. Ducimus is saying that what you said there is a crock of horse squeeze and it smells similarly. He quoted the Grey Wolves' Jimbuna for support. He is correct. You've been owned on this one.

I just love wackazoid conspiracy theories though!:D

[Adriatico]

#R Robins

Not SH5 itself, of course, but crippled announcement (half information) timed in September09.

If there was anything important to say and fair to announce about new title - it was online play.

You have seen the outrage that info triggered in January10. It would be interesting to see what would have happened if it was September09.
:hmmm:

[Rockin Robbins]

Would have made no difference. The Wolves decided to do what they did for their own reasons. The fact of SH5 loomed greater than any insignificant or even significant details.

They are not ones to waste their efforts on anything but the best. I believe they weren't quite sold on SH4 being the best, and hoped SH5 would fit the bill. I say that without any special knowledge of exactly what their thought processes are.

[the_belgian]

5 years ago in March of 2005, Silent Hunter III was released.

Here we are five years later, and not only are many of the bugs and glitches the same or similar, but the end users now have to try and play the game online using unreliable Ubisoft servers.

When rumors of Silent Hunter 5 started to surface in September of 2008, my initial reaction was "please let this be a 2011 release". Once the March 2010 release date was confirmed, so were my worst fears.

I've asked my wife to look at purchasing this game for me for Christmas, but only if it's under $20 and can be played offline. :)


with the current speed ubisoft releases,unfinished games,by then she can buy you silent hunter 6!

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s99/yveswouters/egypt/CATA.jpg

[Reece]

Originally Posted by TDK1044 http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1323903#post1323903)
5 years ago in March of 2005, Silent Hunter III was released.

Here we are five years later, and not only are many of the bugs and glitches the same or similar, but the end users now have to try and play the game online using unreliable Ubisoft servers.

When rumors of Silent Hunter 5 started to surface in September of 2008, my initial reaction was "please let this be a 2011 release". Once the March 2010 release date was confirmed, so were my worst fears.

I've asked my wife to look at purchasing this game for me for Christmas, but only if it's under $20 and can be played offline. :)
Sad but true!:cry: I'll probably do the same!:yep:
with the current speed ubisoft releases,unfinished games,by then she can buy you silent hunter 6!

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s99/yveswouters/egypt/CATA.jpgI can only imagine the state of that game with SH's current crash dive rate!!:o:wah:

[HundertzehnGustav]

you miss the Ubisoft DRM allouncement on the front of the box...
"need to bi cunnekted 2 Our servaz n shiz"

[IanC]

with the current speed ubisoft releases,unfinished games,by then she can buy you silent hunter 6!

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s99/yveswouters/egypt/CATA.jpg

SH6 comming out in 4 months! Make sure to preorder or else we might not see a SH7...

[Spartan]

Ubi simply does not care -really. For example when SH2 was being developed we begged for a hires version. The official response was...

[wait for it]

It was impossible; could not be done the engine would not work right.

We were then told if sells were good and a SH3 was developed then we would get a hires title but first SH2 had to be successful.

A couple of us thought that was BS and really looked into things. After about 50 or so man hours we not only figured out how to convert the engine to hires but to also add active hull numbers to the game.

Food for thought.... :nope:

[Turbografx]

Ubi simply does not care -really. For example when SH2 was being developed we begged for a hires version. The official response was...

[wait for it]

It was impossible; could not be done the engine would not work right.

After about 50 or so man hours we not only figured out how to convert the engine to hires but to also add active hull numbers to the game.

Food for thought.... :nope:

Wow... nice one UBI.

[janh]

Ubi simply does not care -really. For example when SH2 was being developed we begged for a hires version. The official response was...

[wait for it]

It was impossible; could not be done the engine would not work right.

We were then told if sells were good and a SH3 was developed then we would get a hires title but first SH2 had to be successful.

A couple of us thought that was BS and really looked into things. After about 50 or so man hours we not only figured out how to convert the engine to hires but to also add active hull numbers to the game.

Food for thought.... :nope:


Wow respect, I didn't know that. That let's them look a little... say trivial?

[janh]

SH6 comming out in 4 months! Make sure to preorder or else we might not see a SH7...

Yeah, really, we should convince a couple of the less critical customers to preorder it already!