Census done!

[GoldenRivet]

I answered question 1: by carefully and neatly writing "02" into the blocks provided.

I placed a slash through all of the other questions and mailed the SOB off.


if they want anything else they will have to water board me.:shifty:

[krashkart]

if they want anything else they will have to water board me.:shifty:

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/3/16/129132604603261553.jpg

[August]

I got mine as well and i'm only answering certain questions:

How many people living in this house: 2
Ethnicity: Other - American

Let them figure out the rest for themselves. :|\\

[Task Force]

I answered question 1: by carefully and neatly writing "02" into the blocks provided.

I placed a slash through all of the other questions and mailed the SOB off.


if they want anything else they will have to water board me.:shifty:

SHHH!! dont say that, you might find yourself in a white van with 2 unknown agents...:o:rotfl2:

[Stealth Hunter]

SHHH!! dont say that, you might find yourself in a white van with 2 unknown agents...:o:rotfl2:

No kidding. Honestly, how childishly suspicious people are these days... if you post on the Internet, you have no privacy.:-?

[August]

No kidding. Honestly, how childishly suspicious people are these days... if you post on the Internet, you have no privacy.:-?

You completely miss GR's point. Many Americans don't particularly want to be categorized by their own government.

[Platapus]

I answered question 1: by carefully and neatly writing "02" into the blocks provided.

I placed a slash through all of the other questions and mailed the SOB off.


if they want anything else they will have to water board me.:shifty:


(golf clap) wow, what a rebel you are.

I am assuming that you posted this because you need some accolades for your heroic act of independence.

[Stealth Hunter]

You completely miss GR's point. Many Americans don't particularly want to be categorized by their own government.

A census is hardly categorization, or a negative thing as you imply by your choice of words. Let alone a matter that would require waterboarding. It's a way to better understand the people that are occupying your lands and collect statistics for future generations to reflect upon. This is just another exaggerated gibe at the government. Yes, we all know this song: they're too powerful, it's the end of freedom for us, they're going to control everything we do, it will become a police state before long, they all think we're just a bunch of cattle... tiresome and unoriginal, to say the least.

(golf clap) wow, what a rebel you are.

I am assuming that you posted this because you need some accolades for your heroic act of independence.

Give them both a hand, why don't you.

http://i34.tinypic.com/24botqw.jpg

[August]

Ok. :roll:

[Stealth Hunter]

Ethnicity: Other - American

Most. Original. Answer. EVER.:haha:

[Kresge]

Did you wear your foil hat and draw the curtains while you filled out the form? :woot:

[nikimcbee]

What, you didn't give them your phone number?:haha:

The only thing that struck me; they sure are obsessed with hispanic questions.

I thought there'd be more questions. I must have got the EZ form.

[SteamWake]

Most. Original. Answer. EVER.:haha:

Actually Limbaugh came up wtih that...

My wife plans to answer... Race? 'Human'

I was also struck by a general impression of "we really dont care what race you are unless your hispanic".

[Stealth Hunter]

Actually Limbaugh came up wtih that...

That doesn't surprise me.:roll:

My wife plans to answer... Race? 'Human'

"Human" would refer to our species, not race.

I was also struck by a general impression of "we really dont care what race you are unless your hispanic".

Really there weren't that many. Just two per person. Question #8, for example asks: "Is Person 1 of Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin?" The options being:



No, not of Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin
Yes, Mexican, Mexican Am., Chicano
Yes, Puerto Rican
Yes, Cuban
Yes, another Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin (print origin; for example, Argentinian, Colombian, Dominican, Brazilian, Nicaraguan, Salvadoran, Spaniard, and so on)

I got two census papers, for whatever reason.

Question #9 simply asked: "What is Person 1's race?" The default was white, black, American Indian or Alaska Native (then you were supposed to print the tribe name). Nothing asking for Hispanic information. The only two that broke down into furthering categories were Other Asian (print race; for example, Hmong, Laotian, Thai, Pakistani, Cambodian, and so on) and Other Pacific Islander (print race; for example, Fijian, Tongan, and so on).

For each other person, this was the case. I'll get around to posting scans of the extra copy I got tomorrow, just so everybody can see them and keep them for future reference (otherwise, we'll all probably forget what was on them in no time!).

[GoldenRivet]

A census is hardly categorization

Tell that to the interned Japanese Americans who were boxed up in camps after Dec. 7th 1941... yup, the supreme court made a big stink about how the FBI and other agencies rounded them up based on theie census repsonses.

ancient history?

well... history does repeat itself

No accolades needed... i just happen to know there are more people here who agree with the stance than dont... in a way, i guess im showing my support of those individuals.

though my lack of publishing census info could hardly be considered the "Alamo"... life, real life, is made up of these tiny rebellions... these little lines we draw in the sand.

... if you post on the Internet, you have no privacy.:-?

ok, i'll bite at that one

so stealth hunter

Whats my wife's name? maiden name?

how much money do i make in a year?

how much money does she make in a year?

is there anyone who lived in my house for any time that i did not include in my enumeration?

What is my wife's date of birth?

What is my ethnic hertitige? my wife's?

do i own any other homes?

A census is hardly ... a negative thing

Nope.

a census is a great thing!

it decides how many representatives we get and how much government money gets spent on our area etc etc all that good stuff is great.

The census has the right - and repsected authority - to ENUMERATE PERSONS

not all of that other sh*t :up:

[Aramike]

A census is hardly categorization, or a negative thing as you imply by your choice of words.Say what?

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/index.html

The above link is all demographical information, CATEGORIZED by the census bureau. Said information is specifically used categorically for funding allocations. How a census is not categorization on a MASSIVE scale, much less simply not being categorization, is beyond me.

Furthermore, while personally I have no problem answering the questions in the census, I don't fault anyone who does. The US government is by no means entitled to all of the information the census is asking. Simply put, some people are more private than others. To ridicule them because of it is, equally simply put, ignorant.

[Tribesman]

Nope.

a census is a great thing!

it decides how many representatives we get and how much government money gets spent on our area etc etc all that good stuff is great.

The census has the right - and repsected authority - to ENUMERATE PERSONS

not all of that other sh*t
Interesting, so how is the government supposed to decide what money is spent on what projects if its only information it can use to decide is the amount of people in the area?
I suppose they would have to come round again and conduct more population surveys in each area again covering each household for each project.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

(golf clap) wow, what a rebel you are.

I am assuming that you posted this because you need some accolades for your heroic act of independence.

Now he knows how this guy felt!!

http://voyage.typepad.com/lfc_images/Tiananmen_Tank_Man.jpg

[SteamWake]

Is it just me or does it seem like the form is focused on counting the hispanic community?

[Buddahaid]

I also answered just two. That is all the information they have the authority to collect and the census form should make that clear. The rest is a government sanctioned phishing scheme. :ping::arrgh!:

[GoldenRivet]

I also answered just two. That is all the information they have the authority to collect and the census form should make that clear. The rest is a government sanctioned phishing scheme. :ping::arrgh!:

interesting how the only question on the entire form which is highlighted in blue and surrounded by a border is "how many people live in this house?"

the rest is supplemental information

again... i dont honestly think a government raid is going to round up all the ________ people. (insert whatever race, religion, sexual preference, eye color, hair color, etc)

but the consititution is VERY clear on this issue... the census DOES not have the right to satisfy their curiosities by asking personal questions NO MATTER WHAT THE REASONING BEHIND IT MAY BE.

they only have authority to "enumerate persons".

@Tribesman...

to dole out cash for projects - that's ALL they need to know quite honestly.

the census was originally meant to enumerate the population to determine governmental representation.

NOT to determine how much government cheese to disperse.

please... feel free to answer every single question if thats what you wish. By all means.:up:

I on the other hand will be adhering to the constitution... a document that i think our government has departed from by a WIDE margin over the past several decades.

Is it just me or does it seem like the form is focused on counting the hispanic community?

Yes.

the 2010 census was heavily loaded with a hispanic slant.

ok fine.

but why?

perhaps Hillary, Pelosi and BO want to know exactly what it will cost and how many voters they will gain by granting them all citizenship?

who really knows.

but always remember this when dealing with your government

TRUTH, IS ALWAYS STRANGER THAN FICTION

[Tribesman]

@Tribesman...

to dole out cash for projects - that's ALL they need to know quite honestly.

Is it really?
So all a government needs to know before funding a big project like a highway is how many people live in the area.:rotfl2:


the census was originally meant to enumerate the population to determine governmental representation.

And originally it didn't really count a large proportion of some states populations as they were not really people. So clinging to an archaic intention from an old document doesn't make much sense in the modern world does it.
I on the other hand will be adhering to the constitution... a document that i think our government has departed from by a WIDE margin over the past several decades.

Don't you mean over the past several centuries?

[mookiemookie]

Did you wear your foil hat and draw the curtains while you filled out the form? :woot:

:rotfl2:Oh noez, Obama knows my birthday! He's going to come lock up all of us people born in May now!

Good lord. They've been asking your race since 1790. Why is it all of a sudden an issue now?

[August]

Why is it all of a sudden an issue now?

What makes you think it hasn't been an issue in the past?

[GoldenRivet]

Is it really?
So all a government needs to know before funding a big project like a highway is how many people live in the area.

Yes


Don't you mean over the past several centuries?

How old do you think America is?

What makes you think it hasn't been an issue in the past?

exactly... this has been an issue for me since i filled out my first census.

sadly, i wasnt a subsim member at the time so how would anyone like Mookie know how i felt back then?

You know they have to put their spin on it "Why is this only NOW an issue?"

@ mookie... please explain

what does that mean??

what does NOW have to do with it?

whats different about NOW versus the last census?

:rotfl2:Oh noez, Obama knows my birthday! He's going to come lock up all of us people born in May now!

you apparently missed this . . .

again... i dont honestly think a government raid is going to round up all the ________ people. (insert whatever race, religion, sexual preference, eye color, hair color, etc)

please explain what Obama has to do with it and why should i be concerned about him knowing my birthday?

you make NO sense - and you miss my point by a country mile

[Tribesman]

Yes

That speaks volumes about your lack of experience.

How old do you think America is?

How many centuries roughly or how many years exactly?
Its already over a century since the federal census bureau was created, and that happened over a century after the constitution was written.
So that does raise the question for you to work out, can you ask someone who knows how many years make a century?:rotfl2:

[GoldenRivet]

You implied that the constitution had been abused for "several centuries"

seems like a long time considering the relatively young age of the document.

That speaks volumes about your lack of experience.

please... what more could they really need to know beyond how many people live in the area to use the road?

get real nowhere on the form does it ask if i own a car or how many.

your example is flawed

[Tribesman]

You implied that the constitution had been abused for "several centuries"

seems like a long time considering the relatively young age of the document.
No, I implied the constitution has been departed from pretty much since it was written as is the natural course of such things, so the "several centuries" is spot on for a document that is several centuries old.
If you want an example of a constitution that has only been deviated from for a few decades then find a constitution that is only a few decades old

please... what more could they really need to know beyond how many people live in the area to use the road?

Their ages, is it the only place they live ......
get real nowhere on the form does it ask if i own a car or how many.

Thats because its on the other form.
You know the more detailed form where they get a smaller snapshot and then extrapolate that data onto the big picture they get from the 10 year census.

[Platapus]

but the consititution is VERY clear on this issue... the census DOES not have the right to satisfy their curiosities by asking personal questions NO MATTER WHAT THE REASONING BEHIND IT MAY BE.

they only have authority to "enumerate persons".

May I suggest reading US Code Title 13, Chapter 1, subchapter I, Section 5

Entitled:Questionnaires, Number, Form, and Scope of Inquiries

The Census is governed by more than just the Constitution.

[GoldenRivet]

US Code Title 13, Chapter 1, subchapter I, Section 5


useless dribble from a sprawling bureaucracy IMHO

I have elected to fill out the only part of the census required - and i'm receiving flack for it?

interesting.

[August]

useless dribble from a sprawling bureaucracy IMHO

I have elected to fill out the only part of the census required - and i'm receiving flack for it?

interesting.

Only because the Democrats are in power. Had the Republicans been in charge the same people would be cheering you on.

[GoldenRivet]

Only because the Democrats are in power. Had the Republicans been in charge the same people would be cheering you on.

Yup :doh:

[Aramike]

useless dribble from a sprawling bureaucracy IMHO

I have elected to fill out the only part of the census required - and i'm receiving flack for it?

interesting.It's not interesting, in my opinion. It's absolutely indefensible albeit expected.

One person wishes to remain a private citizen. He's confronted with several individuals who believe that said private information should be recorded (and could never be abused and therefore used against you). Yet they rhetorically attack you for the very stance of witholding such information, as though it's somehow counter-productive.

Hell, with people like that in power, its no wonder that you wouldn't want the government to know such details. If those kind of people can come down on you for the simple fact of your maintaining your privacy, imagine what they could do with REAL information about your demographic?

Nice job, libs. Previously I wasn't concerned with releasing such information about my family (as indicated in an earlier post in this thread). Your intellectual masturbations have done nothing more than to compel me to deny the feds such information.

Maybe the individuals of the so-implied "tolerant" political persuasion will someday learn that tolerance includes ideas that they don't agree with. History forces me to doubt that eventuality, but one can still hope...

In any case, does not anyone else see the pattern? Someone who's generally conservative states an opinion about a government function, and those of the opposite viewpoint unite to shoot it down!

Quite frankly, an intellectually honest person would have either thought or said, "I understand, although I disagree." But it requires an intellectual response (rather than an emotional one) to reach that conclusion, so I suppose my expectations are too high.

Resultingly, like I said, I will be withholding certain information, and I hope that other independent thinkers follow suit, as its clear the type of people who want the information the most are the most intolerant of said info.

Again, nicely done, libs. I can only hope that I will someday be able to shut off my brain to such an extent as you have.

[Tribesman]

useless dribble from a sprawling bureaucracy IMHO

So things that come under bits of the constitution you like are perfect and noble and bits you don't like are useless dribble.

I have elected to fill out the only part of the census required - and i'm receiving flack for it?

Yes, because of the gaping flaws in your reasoning. If your action made sense or was consistant you wouldn't be getting much flak for it.

[GoldenRivet]

Yes, because of the gaping flaws in your reasoning. If your action made sense or was consistant you wouldn't be getting much flak for it.

my reasoning is quite simple.

perhaps if i list it out you will understand it better...:up:

here are the 6 super easy basic points you should understand, please review them :salute:

Number 1:

I DO NOT think the government is going to round up my family - or anyone for that matter - based on census data. how many times do i have to repeat this statement in one thread??? :yawn:

Number 2:

The constitution is the "supreme law of the land" in the United States. It specifically gives the U.S. Census the power to "enumerate people".

Number 3:

Of the 10 questions on the form... Only question number one is required. "How many people currently occupy your residence?"

Number 4:

As a United States Citizen, I have the right to choose whether i DO or i DO NOT provide an answer to the remaining nine questions.

Number 5:

I have elected to exercise my right NOT to provide those answers.

Number 6:

My original post made no remarks concerning politics, race, creed, religion or age. Nor did it make any remarks about whether or not i think the census is a good thing or a bad thing. My original post made no remarks or hints as to whether or not i view the census as necessary or unnecessary.

The original post simply stated my actions as

a. filling out the required form

b. mailing the SOB in (SOB is by no means meant to be derogatory... i live in deep East Texas... "son of a bitch" is a phrase that is applied to many things in every day conversation)

c. an off color joke about water boarding (grow a sense of humor... like the government is going to actually force me to provide census answers under duress hahaha :doh: )

---------------

FACT: as a result of expressing myself, the peace loving, tolerant left wing members of this forum almost immediately attacked me for my opinions.

i hope this post has helped you to understand my position.

EDIT: So things that come under bits of the constitution you like are perfect and noble and bits you don't like are useless dribble.

code of federal regulations (CFR) is NOT a part of the United States constitution.

[Tribesman]

my reasoning is quite simple.

perhaps if i list it out you will understand it better...
I understand your reasoning fine, it just makes no real sense.

For example
Number 2:

The constitution is the "supreme law of the land" in the United States. It specifically gives the U.S. Census the power to "enumerate people".

wow, what else does it do?
Oh yeah that involves "useless dribble" because some parts of the constitution you claim to love so much does things you don't like.

Number 3:

Of the 10 questions on the form... Only question number one is required. "How many people currently occupy your residence?"

Thats funny, even the first census put together only 2 years after the ratification asked more than that.
Since the people that were the government then and did the set up for the census were the same people who did the constitution it strongly suggests you are reading their intentions wrong.
Number 4:

As a United States Citizen, I have the right to choose whether i DO or i DO NOT provide an answer to the remaining nine questions.
Indeed, which means the government must go to more expense and add more layers of bureaucracy to get the information it needs.
Its one major reason why your reasoning is flawed.
You complain about a sprawling bureaucracy and its intrusiveness and then act to make it even bigger and more intrusive.

code of federal regulations (CFR) is NOT a part of the United States constitution.
Indeed, but its the constitution allows for them...or is that one of the things the constitution allows that you don't like rather than the bits of the constitution you do like.

[August]

FACT: as a result of expressing myself, the peace loving, tolerant left wing members of this forum almost immediately attacked me for my opinions.

It never pays to feed the troll GR. :yep:

[Tribesman]

It never pays to feed the troll GR.
You really shouldn't put yourself down like that august.

[Snestorm]

You really shouldn't put yourself down like that august.

August wasn't putting himself down.

Tribesman, you realy should read the US Constitution before commenting on it.
Your knowledge thereof appears to be slightly higher than Zero.

[GoldenRivet]

It never pays to feed the troll GR. :yep:

:salute:

[tater]

Race questions aree absurd, since race is not a useful concept in the first place, and the so-called races available are not even races. "Hispanic" is not a race.

I've seen attempt to put Homo sapiens into a clade with sub-species as races---basically what used to be caucusoid, negroid, mongoloid, but where the mongoloid splits into a 2 with one being native americans, and adds oceania (New Guinea and Australian Aborigines) as another.

Regardless, it's effectively meaningless, and given add-mixtures in the US utterly pointless except to facilitate institutional racism (sometimes called "reverse" racism, it is none the less simple racism).

IMO, the biggest problem is counting non-citizens. Your citizenship status is a question that should be there, but is not. If you're not a citizen (or legal resident) you frankly should not count.

[AVGWarhawk]

I answered for each SS# in my household. I just want to make sure my county gets the proper amount of money from the Feds. I answered honestly. In the end it is just a head count.

[Tribesman]

August wasn't putting himself down.

Really???????:har:

Tribesman, you realy should read the US Constitution before commenting on it.

Thats rich considering you are defending someone who makes a point about not knowing what they are commenting on and flatly refuses to read the documents they wish to comment on.:yep:
So Snestorm which part of the US constitution and legislation that arises from it would you like to discuss in relation to the topic in hand and the questions raised herein....or are you just being a troll as usual?


Whats up goldenrivet? have you found that your position makes no sense with the comprehension that your worrying "modern developments" in relation to the census deviating from the constitution actually go all the way back to the first census carried out by the people who wrote the constitution.

I just want to make sure my county gets the proper amount of money from the Feds. I answered honestly. In the end it is just a head count.
Best answer in the topic:up:

[August]

Race questions aree absurd, since race is not a useful concept in the first place, and the so-called races available are not even races. "Hispanic" is not a race.

I've seen attempt to put Homo sapiens into a clade with sub-species as races---basically what used to be caucusoid, negroid, mongoloid, but where the mongoloid splits into a 2 with one being native americans, and adds oceania (New Guinea and Australian Aborigines) as another.

Regardless, it's effectively meaningless, and given add-mixtures in the US utterly pointless except to facilitate institutional racism (sometimes called "reverse" racism, it is none the less simple racism).

IMO, the biggest problem is counting non-citizens. Your citizenship status is a question that should be there, but is not. If you're not a citizen (or legal resident) you frankly should not count.

Exactly. We're supposed to be a melting pot yet our government seems to do all it can to sub divide us.

[GoldenRivet]

Whats up goldenrivet? have you found that your position makes no sense with the comprehension that your worrying "modern developments" in relation to the census deviating from the constitution actually go all the way back to the first census carried out by the people who wrote the constitution.

sigh...

Sorry, i have a life which requires my presence elsewhere quite frequently

As it was recommended to me - i am simply trying to stop "feeding the troll"

My argument is a simple one, it does not have anything to do with the way the census was done 10 years ago or 100 years ago or even the very first census etc.

I dont care if there were 10,000 questions on the 287 page census 200 years ago... i dont.

the fact of the matter is as follows:

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years

The sole purpose of the census, in accordance with the above direct quote from the United States Constitution is that representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned based on the enumeration of person every ten years.

this census, as those before it, comes every ten years. If the census has two questions on it... that is ONE QUESTION TOO MANY if you go by the strictest letter of interpretation of the above quotation.

all of that aside...

my argument is - I have exercised my right as a citizen to answer the only ONE required question on the form versus answering all ten.

thats it. That sir, represents the bulk of my point.

the way you whip this dead horse to a blood soaked unrecognizable mass... you would think i broke the law... or performed some wickedly evil deed which deeply affected you on a personal, financial or professional level

I really dont understand your strong personal desire to convince me that it was "wrong" or "immoral" or "dastardly" in some way for me elect not to not provide the other 9 answers on my own free will.

it might not have been the "right thing to do" in your eyes... or the eyes platapus... or even in the eyes of Mr. mookie or any number of other people...

but it was the right thing to do from my viewpoint.

In the end, you sir must learn to live by the saying "to each his own"

the decision to fill out the census in the manner which i selected was MY decision alone to make - a choice belonging to none other than me.

I shouldn't be chastised... least of all by you... for that decision.

[Tribesman]

this census, as those before it, comes every ten years. If the census has two questions on it... that is ONE QUESTION TOO MANY if you go by the strictest letter of interpretation of the above quotation.
Yet since your strictest interpretation regarding the census and the constitution seems to be at odds with those who wrote and ratified the document it strongly suggests your interpretation is wrong.

But lets see how many questions it sets out.
Representation and direct taxes....that covers a whole multitude of possibilities.
Free persons...thats a question of status isn't it, though of course the question set out by the founders was about Free white males above 16 so its already 4 questions in one that are needed and thats the second question on the census which comes about by a to the letter interpretation of just two words.
Including indentured servants.....damn thats a whole new category that needs questions to be answered as their standing isn't the same as free white males....blimey this one question is getting big isn't it.
Better add a question free non white people as they have been missed out of the count so far.hmmmmmm would one question about free non white people be sufficient?
Excluding indians....ah another question of ethnicity and a question of tax, is that two or more questions or is it still the one big question.
Not whole persons. oh thats simple , thats just one more additional question about how many slaves there are with each one being counted as 3/5 of a person....which of course doesn't stand anymore as the world changes.

Damn, that real strict to the letter interpretation of the constitution means they have to ask loads of questions if they want to stick to the constitution.
Which raises the question, how on earth can you claim that a strict interpretation of part of that clause from that article of the constitution means there can only be one question asked?