Where are the DRM fanboys this AM ?

[drtechno]

Just curious.. since this is, what, now 2 or more times in as many weeks that you are unable to play "your" game?

[thorn69]

Actually, it's not "your" game. It's a license to play "their" game really.


You don't own the software, but the software owns you! :haha:

[AVGWarhawk]

Just curious, why are you posting this question? :hmmm:

[Letum]

Just curious, why are you posting this question? :hmmm:

I suspect he can't contain his smugness without posting about it. :shifty:

[Safe-Keeper]

Just curious, why are you posting this question? :hmmm:

[textide]

Yes, Mr. Positive strikes again: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/search.php?searchid=791477

Disturbing isn't it?

[kylania]

Just curious, why are you posting this question? :hmmm:

[609_Avatar]

Just curious, why are you posting this question? :hmmm:

Seriously, what's the point of it? Trying to stir things up or what? :timeout:

[IanC]

Just curious.. since this is, what, now 2 or more times in as many weeks that you are unable to play "your" game?

drtechno, yes that's a satisfying shot to give. But the only thing worse than a sore loser, is a sore winner. :03:

[mookiemookie]

Just curious - why are you posting this smug and in-your-face question?

[CCIP]

Just curious, why are you posting a question that you already have your own answer to?

[Dowly]

Ok, I play too.

Just curious, why are you posting this question? :hmmm:

[GoldenRivet]

Excuse me, sir?

I'm just curious.

Why are you posting this question?

:06:

[drtechno]

drtechno, yes that's a satisfying shot to give. But the only thing worse than a sore loser, is a sore winner. :03:

True. I do like it when fanboys suffer at the very hands of the thing they are defending. I'll be quiet now and go back into my SH4 hole :)

[John Channing]

Please stop it with the name calling now. Please also stop trolling.

If you can't live by the rules here then I would ask that you post somewhere else.

Thanks

JCC

[sav112]

I imagine he’s rather annoyed that his licence to play there game has been revoked due to unforeseen circumstances or otherwise know as a ball up.



Thats if he bought the game......



Or he posted as he rightly guessed that this would happen with this system in place. Is it justified smugness who can tell.

http://forums.finalgear.com/members/salle-user15932/albums/demotivators/clarksonian-smugness-1606.jpg

[Arclight]

This "fanboy" is playing his game (well, modding actually), with it working fine and all. :O:

[drtechno]

Not playing SH5 at all (didn't buy it due to DRM). Still on SH4. Anyway, I was just replying to (from this AM)-
"I just called [Ubi] their support, there is a UK phone number listed in the manual. This is what he said..

Their servers have been down since 4pm cet, they believe there has been another hacking attempt, and they are working right now to get the servers up and running again asap. We can't do much more but wait.

I asked if a refund is possible, he said not at the moment because there is nothing wrong with their product. But hackers are trying to destroy their copy protection system, and we all become victims as a result of it.

I asked if Ubisoft will release the game without DRM, he said they don't plan on that right now but they are looking into ways to secure their servers.

Well, didn't help me much, but at least we know whats going on. "

I'll keep my comments to that thread I suppose. Just being smug in that it has happened twice in 2 weeks and tomshardware.com is reporting that the first outtage was probably not a DOS attack (as Ubi publicly stated) but rather Ubi's own server problems. I suppose people know how to use google and can find that story for themselves. As I said, I'll just be smug and quiet for now.

[Arclight]

Huh, did you say something?

Had 1 big outage at AC2 release, split into 2 parts. Then 5 minutes yesterday, and 5 minutes today.

Meh.

[Ringy]

I'm in the same position ATM bit of spare time and can't play the game :( This has happened several times now bit of a pain TBH.

I have my eye on another UBI game due for release soon but it's gonna have the same DRM system it's making me think if it's worth buying after shelling out 28ukp for this one that I can't play because of THEIR server issues. :damn:

Ringy.

[drtechno]

Huh, did you say something?

Had 1 big outage at AC2 release, split into 2 parts. Then 5 minutes yesterday, and 5 minutes today.

Meh.

Glad to hear someone is able to play at all today.

[MattDizzle]

Im sick of arguing with you idiots, my game hasnt failed once, and im not going to convince you otherwise.

Find something else to whine about, you must have a really shallow life if you love arguing about a video game so much. Its like a weeklong rant on super mario brothers and how they have ruined your life. :zzz:

[karamazovnew]

I've never yet had problems logging or saving the game. So far the OSP part is the best made part of the game FOR ME :haha:.

[The Enigma]

I've never yet had problems logging or saving the game. So far the OSP part is the best made part of the game FOR ME :haha:.

You luckey b*stard :haha:

[Safe-Keeper]

The forced Internet connection bothers me as much as the forced Internet connection of multiplayer games, or for that matter that I have to be hooked up to the electrical grid to play the game...

...ie, not at all. Ironically (and perhaps ominously) enough, my Internet connection failed just as I finished installing the game ( :D ), but other than that, there's only been a few minor hickups.

I will say this, though. I supported the DRM system mostly because I hoped it'd be a 100% lockout mechanism against pirates, the same way games like WOW don't experience piracy on-line. If I was wrong, and it seems I was, then I retract my support for the DRM system.

[The Enigma]

.....
I will say this, though. I supported the DRM system mostly because I hoped it'd be a 100% lockout mechanism against pirates, the same way games like WOW don't experience piracy on-line. If I was wrong, and it seems I was, then I retract my support for the DRM system.

There is a Chinese saying;
He who gathers wisdom, can never be called a fool. :rock:

[Arclight]

Glad to hear someone is able to play at all today.
Ah, that's nice. More of an attitude I can appreciate. :roll:

For the record, I hate this OSP nonsense as much as the next guy. Maybe even more so, because I know from experience what a pain it is.

But this whole 'I am better than thou' thing, just because you didn't buy it, is nonsense. I didn't buy stuff like Spore because it had limited installs, stuck by it too, but I didn't go around going
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj2/EZatHome/HAHA.jpg
at people who ran out of installs.

That's not being smug, that's being abnoxious. Trolling, if you will.

[DarkFish]

Im sick of arguing with you idiotswell then don't argue with "us idiots" and go find another forum to troll:yeah:
my game hasnt failed once, and im not going to convince you otherwise.very nice for you but my game has failed several times already and i'm not gonna convince you otherwise either.

Find something else to whine about, you must have a really shallow life if you love arguing about a video game so much. Its like a weeklong rant on super mario brothers and how they have ruined your life. :zzz:how about you find something else to whine about rather than whining about our whining? talk about shallow lives...

[MattDizzle]

^^^ Ahh, the dreaded "I know you are but what am i?" Technique... you are a skilled debater sir! ^^^

[Nordmann]

He has a good point though. Complaining about the complaints of others is somewhat ridiculous, to say the very least.

[Armistead]

Place your bets...will the server go out this weekend for yet the third time in a row...? How many times does it have to fail before the fans say enough...

And I didn't buy it either.....so there.

Seriously, I wouldn't buy it, mod it or have anything to do with it until Ubi patches the hundred silly bugs and upholds it's promise that all you need is a internet connection...Sounds like plenty have working connections that can't play. Why support and fix a game when they obviously don't care. Fixing it just promotes more sales, in which they will be less likely to ever fix anything and DRM will become the norm. Stop supporting it in anyway and maybe they'll listen and down the road we'll actually have a playable game.

[MattDizzle]

Why? Its ruining this forum, which used to be about submarine video games. Now its about DRM. Lawsuits, bugs, glitches, bad reviews and modifications.

"To each his own" only works when "He" keeps it to himself.

[gimpy117]

Just curious.. since this is, what, now 2 or more times in as many weeks that you are unable to play "your" game?

where are the "DRM fanboys?"

i dunno probably out having a life somewhere :yeah:

[Platapus]

Im sick of arguing with you idiots, my game hasnt failed once, and im not going to convince you otherwise.

Find something else to whine about, you must have a really shallow life if you love arguing about a video game so much. Its like a weeklong rant on super mario brothers and how they have ruined your life. :zzz:


Sorry, did I miss the memo that said you were forced to read this thread?

Don't like a thread, don't read it. It is not exactly rocket surgery.

[DarkFish]

Im sick of arguing with you idiots
^^^ Ahh, the dreaded "I know you are but what am i?" Technique... you are a skilled debater sir! ^^^well obviously you aren't cause in a civil debate it isn't really customary to call everyone else an idiot..

[BlackSpot]

Just curious.. since this is, what, now 2 or more times in as many weeks that you are unable to play "your" game?

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/5525/trollv.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/i/trollv.jpg/)

[John Channing]

He has a good point though. Complaining about the complaints of others is somewhat ridiculous, to say the very least.

The point is that this is the Radio Room of Subsim.com. It's not...



IhateDRMschemes.com

ubisucks.com

Ineedtorant.com

gopiratesgo.com

letshaveanotherthreadaboutthesameoldbugs.com

thisisubisoftpleasecomplainhere.com

howcanicrackmygame.com

smug.com

imnotbuyingsh5.com



or any of the other things that a lot of our newer guests (and, sadly some of our longer standing ones) have turned it into.

So then, what is the Radio Room of Subsim.com then, you ask?

...we want the Radio Room to be a civil, mature forum for discussions about naval and subsims, tactics, mods, playing tips, troubleshooting, and submarine topics in general.

Most of the threads in the last few weeks fall painfully short of that objective.

JCC

[Webster]

the only thing i can add to what john has said here is to clarify the term trolling



A Definition of "Forum Troll"

A "Forum Troll" is a person who posts outrageous messages or comments merely to provoke people to respond. The Forum Troll delights in causing discord within a forum. A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is deliberately controvertial, baiting and pulling people into a "flaming" discussion. Flaming discussions usually end with name calling, a flame war that can result in a locked thread and infractions given out.


Please Don't Feed The Trolls

Trolling is a form of harassment or want for attention that can completely monopolize a forum discussion.

Well meaning defenders can create chaos simply by responding to trolls. The more responses a troll gets the more ammunition he has to stir things up further.

The best response is to ignore a troll to starve them of the attention they seek, or to report a message to a forum moderator.

[MattDizzle]

Let me also clarify that my defense of DRM is not to start fights, but its difficult to hold my tounge.

Option A: Say something
Result: You are a troll

Option B: Say nothing
Result: Haha! He's not talking anymore, clearly we are masters of debate and as such we will continue to stuff this forum full of crappy threads about bugs and trying to connect to ubi servers on unreliable connections or during hacker attacks.

[Piggy]

Im sick of arguing with you idiots, my game hasnt failed once, and im not going to convince you otherwise.

Find something else to whine about, you must have a really shallow life if you love arguing about a video game so much. Its like a weeklong rant on super mario brothers and how they have ruined your life. :zzz:


Fire meet fuel...

:nope:

[NefariousKoel]

Actually, it's not "your" game. It's a license to play "their" game really.


You don't own the software, but the software owns you! :haha:

In Soviet Russia, game company owns YOU!

http://jamespaulgaard.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/yakov-smirnoff.jpg

[NefariousKoel]

The point is that this is the Radio Room of Subsim.com. It's not...



IhateDRMschemes.com

ubisucks.com

Ineedtorant.com

gopiratesgo.com

letshaveanotherthreadaboutthesameoldbugs.com

thisisubisoftpleasecomplainhere.com

howcanicrackmygame.com

smug.com

imnotbuyingsh5.com



or any of the other things that a lot of our newer guests (and, sadly some of our longer standing ones) have turned it into.

So then, what is the Radio Room of Subsim.com then, you ask?



Most of the threads in the last few weeks fall painfully short of that objective.

JCC


Like it or not this subject is intimately related to SH5 as it is part of the game.

You can blame us whiners for trashing the forum but it's Ubi's decision that has turned this place into a circus. I'm glad people aren't giving in and are making their opinions heard. Even when told to take it elsewhere.

Sincerely,
Longer Standing Guest

[Bilge_Rat]

The point is that this is the Radio Room of Subsim.com. It's not...



IhateDRMschemes.com

ubisucks.com

Ineedtorant.com

gopiratesgo.com

letshaveanotherthreadaboutthesameoldbugs.com

thisisubisoftpleasecomplainhere.com

howcanicrackmygame.com

smug.com

imnotbuyingsh5.com



or any of the other things that a lot of our newer guests (and, sadly some of our longer standing ones) have turned it into.

So then, what is the Radio Room of Subsim.com then, you ask?



Most of the threads in the last few weeks fall painfully short of that objective.

JCC

thank you for posting that!

I spent some time yesterday looking through the subsim archives to see how SH3 was received back in 2005 and I was surprised by the difference.

first, there were a lot less posts, obviously we were a smaller community back then.

second, you also had similar posts where members complained or praised this or that aspect of the game.

But the biggest difference was the tone. Members disagreed, but everyone was respectful of other member's opinion, even when we discussed something as divisive as Starforce.

It was clear that all members were motivated by a mutual desire to improve SH3.

But something has changed, this forum now has a meaner, cruel overtone. Many posters are only interested in winning an argument, no matter what tactics they use, showing little or no respect and freely insulting anyone who disagrees with them.

I really don't like where this forum is going. It's not the old Subsim forum I used to know and like to hang around in.

[Méo]

Just curious.. since this is, what, now 2 or more times in as many weeks that you are unable to play "your" game?

1) I've always been able to play SH5 so far.


2) Just curious.. Have you ever heard of ''NEUROSIS''

Effects and symptoms
...anxiety, sadness or depression, anger, irritability, mental confusion, low sense of self-worth, etc., behavioral symptoms such as phobic avoidance, vigilance, impulsive and compulsive acts, lethargy, etc., cognitive problems such as unpleasant or disturbing thoughts, repetition of thoughts and obsession, habitual fantasizing, negativity and cynicism, etc. Interpersonally, neurosis involves dependency, aggressiveness, perfectionism, schizoid isolation, socio-culturally inappropriate behaviors, etc.

[Nisgeis]

the same way games like WOW don't experience piracy on-line.

WoW has been cracked and played by pirates for many years, so did in fact experience piracy. Whether that affected the actual bottom line, then that's all down to PR spin.

[longam]

I like those shoes...

http://www.heart-valve-surgery.com/Images/forrest.jpg

[robbo180265]

http://www.heart-valve-surgery.com/Images/forrest.jpg

:rotfl2:

[Arclight]

I like those shoes...
Me too. :yep:

Those shoes were made for running.

[MattDizzle]

As i said above, saying something doesnt fix anything, and saying nothing is worse, we're a month or so into silent hunter and the drm-complaining people (Who seem to not know that these complaints wont make a difference, which is why i rightly refer to some of the more loud ones as "Idiots") havent slowed down in their bile-spreading at all.

I just want to speak up and make sure that everyone knows that there is a dissenting voice in the forum, and i wouldnt use such harsh language if this wasnt the 5th thread i've had to do this in.

[Baleur]

Actually, it's not "your" game. It's a license to play "their" game really.


You don't own the software, but the software owns you! :haha:

Actually, it is "our" game. We do own the software.
Granted, we cant make changes and re-sell it under another name or blah blah profit. But we bought it, its ours. Just like its "your" volvo or "your" loaf of bread or "your" LOTR dvd collection.

[Piggy]

As i said above, saying something doesnt fix anything, and saying nothing is worse, we're a month or so into silent hunter and the drm-complaining people (Who seem to not know that these complaints wont make a difference, which is why i rightly refer to some of the more loud ones as "Idiots") havent slowed down in their bile-spreading at all.

I just want to speak up and make sure that everyone knows that there is a dissenting voice in the forum, and i wouldnt use such harsh language if this wasnt the 5th thread i've had to do this in.

Ahh I see... its okay for you vioce dissent but not others.

[John Channing]

Like it or not this subject is intimately related to SH5 as it is part of the game.

You can blame us whiners for trashing the forum but it's Ubi's decision that has turned this place into a circus. I'm glad people aren't giving in and are making their opinions heard. Even when told to take it elsewhere.

Sincerely,
Longer Standing Guest

Nope.. sorry, not buying it.

Ubisoft are not the ones making post after post after post after post making the same tired points.

Ubisoft are not the ones calling people names like "fanboy".

People have to take some personal responsibility for their own actions. If you try to blame Ubisoft for your actions, what does that make you? I have not read anywhere that any employee of Ubisoft has put a gun to someone's head and forced them to post an sophmoric rant.

The whinners (as you referred to yourself) make the choice to be whinners.

JCC

[Nisgeis]

The whinners (as you referred to yourself) make the choice to be whinners.

I think you mean 'Whiners' because 'Whinners' would be some strange new word that could perhaps mean a whiner who was also a winner?

[Seabass]

This forum needs less douchebaggery and more Billy Ocean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35YivWEs3zw

[drtechno]

Listen, its okay to voice your dissent.

But do not claim everything is okay. I am tired of people's selfish attitude that just because they don't have any problems with the DRM, it must be okay. Fact is, for the second time in 2 weeks, there has been a prolonged outage of Ubi's authentication servers (confirmed by UK service rep).. and now we learn that the first outage may have in fact been due to Ubi's own server problems, not a DOS attack which they were so quick to blame. Just because things are fine in your little universe doesn't mean that everyone else should just suck it up and take whatever is rammed up their rear end.

And BTW, who cares if Ubi listens or not. People are complaining to make their feelings known and so that maybe others will not make the same mistake (referring to people who bought the game and can't play it).. Go check out the Ubi forums. Again, if you didn't have any problems, great here's a cookie :up: But that doesn't justify this system.

PS - Fanboy is not a "name". Its an accurate descriptor for certain types of behavior, much like you use the word "whiner" to refer to people that choose to speak out.

[Sailor Steve]

Okay, I'm going to step in with my patented "Anti-Argument" argument, because I love good debate, and very little of this qualifies.

Where are the DRM fanboys this AM ?
This is not a debate, or an argument. This is a direct challenge, if not exactly an insult. As pointed out elsewhere, the purpose was not to discuss, but to say "Ha, ha, I told you so". It qualifies as trolling.

I'm not buying the game until the DRM is gone, which may be never. But I do feel for the people who can't play it. It doesn't make me feel superior, it just ticks me off.

Im sick of arguing with you idiots, my game hasnt failed once, and im not going to convince you otherwise
Not an answer, but another challenge.

Why? Its ruining this forum, which used to be about submarine video games. Now its about DRM. Lawsuits, bugs, glitches, bad reviews and modifications.
Yes, I think the DRM is ruining this forum, and should go. Not what you meant, but it works both ways.

Option A: Say something
Result: You are a troll
And that's where you get the biggest argument from me. You never just say something - you go on the attack immediately. To my mind your first post would have worked better if you had responded "This fanboy is playing his game. I've had no problems, not that you will believe me. I only took time out to answer your silly attack."

It's not what you say, it's how you say it. Yes, I think you troll sometimes. As does Drtechno. As does Brag, as much as I like him. As do a lot of folks.

These forums are not being ruined; not by a long shot. But they are being dragged down, by everybody who starts threads just to boast, or attack, or even argue. If you don't like a thread, ignore it. It will go away faster if you do.

Now I'm going back to whining because I can't play anything at all.:cry::wah:

[OakGroove]

Ubisoft are not the ones making post after post after post after post making the same tired points.

True. I would guestimate it's coming from legit owners who bought a partially defunct product with an even more defunct and malevolent DRM implementation. Customers who get unnerved by not being able to use the product at a time of their choosing. As long as UBI is unable (unwilling?) to get their act together, how can you expect people not to go ballistic on the issue?

[Arclight]

This forum needs less douchebaggery and more Billy Ocean.
I was thinking Billie Holiday, but whatever floats your boat. :salute:

[JScones]

I think you mean 'Whiners' because 'Whinners' would be some strange new word that could perhaps mean a whiner who was also a winner?
Or maybe some new phully sick and rad word that the young'ens use? :hmmm:

This forum needs less douchebaggery and more Billy Ocean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35YivWEs3zw
Please be "There'll be sad songs"...
Please be "There'll be sad songs"...
Please be "There'll be sad songs"...

...

D'oh.

[Madox58]

If $50 bucks hurts when you spend it?
Why are you buying games to start with?
:hmmm:

And why start threads such as this?
Your just sending more relevent threads down.
:nope:

[jwilliams]

Actually, it is "our" game. We do own the software.
Granted, we cant make changes and re-sell it under another name or blah blah profit. But we bought it, its ours. Just like its "your" volvo or "your" loaf of bread or "your" LOTR dvd collection.

You are SOOOOO wrong.

You buy a licence to use the product.

1- The Licence

Ubisoft grants the User a non-exclusive and non-transferable Licence to use the Multimedia Product, but remains the owner of all the rights relating thereto.
Any rights not specifically transferred by this Licence remain the property of Ubisoft.
The Multimedia Product is licensed and not sold to the User, for private use.
The Licence does not confer any right or title to the Multimedia Product and cannot be understood as a transfer of intellectual property rights to the Multimedia Product.If it was yours because you bought it, then you would be allowed to copy and sell it.
If you want to own the game then you can buy the rights to it. but it'll cost you alot more than buying a licence to play the game.

[Nordmann]

If you're renting the game (which is what a license basically is), if and when support for the game ceases, technically your money should be refunded or the product replaced. Rent a TV or washing machine, this is how it works.

[VetteDvr]

thank you for posting that!

I spent some time yesterday looking through the subsim archives to see how SH3 was received back in 2005 and I was surprised by the difference.

first, there were a lot less posts, obviously we were a smaller community back then.

second, you also had similar posts where members complained or praised this or that aspect of the game.

But the biggest difference was the tone. Members disagreed, but everyone was respectful of other member's opinion, even when we discussed something as divisive as Starforce.

It was clear that all members were motivated by a mutual desire to improve SH3.

But something has changed, this forum now has a meaner, cruel overtone. Many posters are only interested in winning an argument, no matter what tactics they use, showing little or no respect and freely insulting anyone who disagrees with them.

I really don't like where this forum is going. It's not the old Subsim forum I used to know and like to hang around in.

Unfortunately that is what seems to be happening to every forum that I go too. I guess it's just the way this world works nowadays.

[jwilliams]

If you're renting the game (which is what a license basically is), if and when support for the game ceases, technically your money should be refunded or the product replaced. Rent a TV or washing machine, this is how it works.

If you rent a TV, when the rental time expires the TV is taken back. When software is no longer surported, you are still free to use that software within the EULA.

So what you are paying for is a lifetime licence. And as long as you use the software within the terms of the EULA, then the licence would not be revoked. So why would you get a refund???? you can still use the product.

[Madox58]

If you're renting the game (which is what a license basically is), if and when support for the game ceases, technically your money should be refunded or the product replaced. Rent a TV or washing machine, this is how it works.


No.
When you rent something you never get your money back.
You have an agreement as to how long your renting and
once that agreement is fulfilled?
You move along and the LandLord keeps the money.
Ubi can cancel your 'rent' at anytime.
It's a case of 'Buyer Beware'.

It's been well posted what was comeing!
Take your lumps like a Man.
And TRY to learn from this.

[Nordmann]

If you rent a TV, when the rental time expires the TV is taken back. When software is no longer surported, you are still free to use that software within the EULA.

So what you are paying for is a lifetime licence. And as long as you use the software within the terms of the EULA, then the licence would not be revoked. So why would you get a refund???? you can still use the product.

We rent both TV and washing machine, there is no rental time limit, we can rent for as long as we like. When either breaks down, or reaches a certain age, they are repaired/replaced free of charge. If support for either model stops, again, they are replaced with one which is supported.

Yes, we can still use the software, assuming they either provide unlimited access to the OSP servers, or a patch making said servers unnecessary. But if the company goes bye, bye, who will be there to make the patch?

Also, it's worth noting, that they can cease support for the game at any time, especially given the net requirement. It will be in the EULA. Basically, as a consumer, you have sod all rights as far as they are concerned.

No.
When you rent something you never get your money back.

True, but when you rent something, you expect it to work. If it does not, the company you are renting from are responsible.

You have an agreement as to how long your renting and
once that agreement is fulfilled?
You move along and the LandLord keeps the money.

We are referring to software/hardware, not property. In any case, the landlord is still responsible for certain services.


Ubi can cancel your 'rent' at anytime.
It's a case of 'Buyer Beware'.

This is what I'm talking about. They have your money, and you have a lemon you cannot use. I doubt they can get away with that, EULA or not.

It's been well posted what was comeing!
Take your lumps like a Man.
And TRY to learn from this.

Yes, and I was one of the posters who predicted the downtime chaos, so I don't need to take any lumps or learn from it. I didn't buy the game!

[Madox58]

And I'm sure that if you took them back today you'd get ALL your money back?

As one misguided Soul believes.

OHH!
You were editing as I was posting.

The Game works.
Ubi promised no Updates.
No guarantee of lenght of service is implied that I can find.
I'm happy for you,
BUT!
Why worry about it if you didn't pay up?

[Nordmann]

And I'm sure that if you took them back today you'd get ALL your money back?

As one misguided Soul believes.

No, but if they failed to work, or were provided in an unsatisfactory condition, I would have a case for a refund or replacement. Now, if it were my fault that said product did not work, then you are correct, but obviously that is not the case with this game.

The only misguided people here, are the ones who are willing to accept unsatisfactory conditions, such as the OSP downtime fiasco.

[jwilliams]

We rent both TV and washing machine, there is no rental time limit, we can rent for as long as we like. When either breaks down, or reaches a certain age, they are repaired/replaced free of charge. If support for either model stops, again, they are replaced with one which is supported.

Yes, we can still use the software, assuming they either provide unlimited access to the OSP servers, or a patch making said servers unnecessary. But if the company goes bye, bye, who will be there to make the patch?

Also, it's worth noting, that they can cease support for the game at any time, especially given the net requirement. It will be in the EULA. Basically, as a consumer, you have sod all rights as far as they are concerned.

And you were aware of this before you bought the game. Therefore you knew the risks.

And as for patch should servers be taken offline..... its in the EULA that they will release a patch to remove the online requirment. :yeah:

And should Ubi go under before the patch..... i believe that a certain wares group has already released a patch.

[Nordmann]

And you were aware of this before you bought the game. Therefore you knew the risks.

And as for patch should servers be taken offline..... its in the EULA that they will release a patch to remove the online requirment. :yeah:

And should they go Ubi go under before the patch..... i believe that a certain wares group has already released a patch.

I didn't buy the game, so thankfully Ubi didn't have me over a barrel.

You really believe they will patch the OSP out of the game? Good luck, that would be as good as admitting they were wrong, and games companies rarely do that.

If Ubi goes under, and there is no official offline patch, are you really willing to trust the shadier sites? Because if so, you are a braver man than I.

[Madox58]

I know most of the Shadow site people.
I trust them more then I trust Ubi Upper Management!

[jwilliams]

No, but if they failed to work, or were provided in an unsatisfactory condition, I would have a case for a refund or replacement. Now, if it were my fault that said product did not work, then you are correct, but obviously that is not the case with this game.

The only misguided people here, are the ones who are willing to accept unsatisfactory conditions, such as the OSP downtime fiasco.

If the product doe not work, you can return it. 90 days warrenty. (its in the EULA)
If you dont agree to the EULA, you can return it. 30 days ( also in th EULA)
If the product isnt up to your standards.... doubt theres much you can do. Its the same for most things you buy.
e.g. if you buy a book and dont like the story. can you return it?... not if theres nothing defective with the product.

And with the OSP fiasco.... Well Ubi will have to do something about that. Im sure that, if it continues then they could end up in court over it. due to it being a service. but you would have to give them resonable time to try to rectify it.

[Madox58]

I'd say,
Sue Microsoft 1st.
See how that goes!
Don't we get more BSOD then problems from Ubi's SH stuff?

And exactly when was the last lawsuit against Microsoft
for the BSOD won?
:hmmm:

[Iron Budokan]

You are SOOOOO wrong.

You buy a licence to use the product.

If it was yours because you bought it, then you would be allowed to copy and sell it.


This is true. As a professional writer I run into this misinformation a lot, parcticularly from people who buy books and believe the book somehow is "theirs" to do with as they want. I know a lot of people want to believe the game (or book or music or whatever) "belongs" to them when they purchase it. But it actually doesn't; the copyright law says differently. Same for games, I'm afraid.

And, no, sorry to say, just because you can second sell some media doesn't mean it belongs to you. Sorry, guys, it just doesn't, and it never did.

[Seabass]

Or maybe some new phully sick and rad word that the young'ens use? :hmmm:


Please be "There'll be sad songs"...
Please be "There'll be sad songs"...
Please be "There'll be sad songs"...

...

D'oh.

Well, you can never have too much Billy Ocean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBBHvv1FVsw

[JScones]

Ahhh, that's better.

There'll be bad games to make you cry
Ubi games often do
They can break the heart of someone who
was expecting a Type II

[Webster]

please tell me why this thread shouldnt just be closed at this point? :06:

[Steeltrap]

please tell me why this thread shouldnt just be closed at this point? :06:

Only reason I can come up with is that it should have been closed much earlier....

:D

[DarkFish]

Only reason I can come up with is that it should have been closed much earlier....

:Dexactly:up:

[Uber Gruber]

It should stay open, if only for JScones poetry :up: