Anyone else back from SH-5 ???

[subsimlee]

Just wanting to get a feel for those like me that gave up in disgust when they couldn't play the last couple of weekends when the leash malfunctioned...:hmmm:

[Phantom Mark]

yup, i'm back aswell :(

[Wilcke]

Nope, I just built a new PC, this weekend and SH5 is the only subsim I have up and running so far.

With the new rig SH5 is smoking hot! Having a lot of fun with it...bugs, warts and all I am really enjoying the 'new' direction the devs took with this one! Plus trying out some really cool enhancements from the folks working on RUB!

Good stuff!

[CCIP]

I'm back to OM. Although less due to the fact that I have some beef with SH5, and more just because there's still so much there that I haven't played, so many subs - even of my favourite types like IXB or IXD2 - that I haven't sailed. I had an awesome experience playing 5 consecutive 100% realism career through the entire war in the lead-up to SHV, and when SHV showed up I realized that my gaming-heart is still very much there in OM. And if that feeling is there for a game, it's a shame not to just ride it for a bit - that's what gaming's for after all.

And once I'm through with that, I need to try RFB and/or TMO - alas last time I tried to get into it I was having trouble with my save games being completely botched (really not sure why).

[AVGWarhawk]

I still play SH5 but will play SH4 with TMO much more at the moment. Like CCIP said, there is so much I want to complete in SH4/TMO. Once I get my fill and SH5 has gotten it's final patchs then I will play SH5 a bit more. To be sure though, SH5 will be a very good game down the road.

[Rockin Robbins]

SH4 lives! Unfortunately, with PC games anyway, Ubi won't unless it changes its slimy ways. "Online Services Platform?" What kind of "Internal Revenue Service" bullschnitzel are they trying to pass off here? Just the name makes me mad. "Services" emphasize keeping you from using the product you bought! "Services" do not include inconveniencing pirates in any way, as their games will not include the "services." The pirates' superior product will merely muscle the legitimate game off the market.

In the meantime, men and women fighting for their country, who are the commemorative subject of this arcade game, are unable to run Silent Hunter 5. Owners of laptops cannot play on airplanes or other places without internet access. Do you know that over 70% of the computers sold last year were laptops and most of them are used in a portable manner? Ubi says they're pirates and not customers.

I say if they're locked out, I'm locking Ubi out. Not one penny, not one game session, not one mod, not one tutorial, not one video until they relent. Silent Hunter 5 deserves to die an excruciating death and Ubi needs to go with it if they refuse to defang this trojan horse. They have done nothing less than replace temporarily piracy of their game with permanant piracy of our rights and our computers! They are much greater criminals than the pirates they claim are at fault for this travesty. The penalty for piracy, especially corporate piracy needs to be death. Ubi must be replaced by a company who treats us as friends, fans and monetary supporters. We are not criminals. We will not assent to being treated as such.

If we purchase SH5, if we play SH5, if we produce mods for it, we are promoting this behavior on Ubi's part. This is behavior that should be criminal. Several aspects of this DRM ARE criminal in certain European countries that enforce traditionally held fair use rights for copyrighted materials, including the right to sell your copy on the resale market. We need to hold the line here without compromise and force Ubi to change or join the dinosaurs so mammalian life can develop to meet our needs.

Don't buy Silent Hunter 5.
Don't play Silent Hunter 5.
Don't mod Silent Hunter 5.

It only encourages them.

[Munchausen]

:sign_yeah:

[Camaero]

You can get a much better tan in the Pacific anyway! :yeah:

[Platapus]

SH4 lives! Unfortunately, with PC games anyway, Ubi won't unless it changes its slimy ways. "Online Services Platform?" What kind of "Internal Revenue Service" bullschnitzel are they trying to pass off here? Just the name makes me mad. "Services" emphasize keeping you from using the product you bought! "Services" do not include inconveniencing pirates in any way, as their games will not include the "services." The pirates' superior product will merely muscle the legitimate game off the market.



It is "service" in the same context of what a bull does to a cow. :know:

[BIGD101]

I'm a Silent Hunter Virgin, I've always enjoyed sim games but just never had SH games on my sonar (doh!).

I was going to buy SH5 after seeing recent build up media to it but as soon as Ubisoft said it was going to use the new DRM (idiots!) then i cancelled my order for it. I instead got SH4 off of ebay for just over £5 and I to say I'm enjoying it very much despite the fact I have restarted my career 4 times now.

Think I have about 60 something out of 100 for the realism on.

Always finding out new things in the game and even though I have yet to sink a ship in my current career (sank one in the last one but can out of fuel coming back to base!).

I'm also looking forward to getting one of them shinny new subs but have no idea how I do that, I started the game using the default one! Poipuse or something haha!?

Cheers
BIGD101

[Gilbou]

The S-x class were the oldest ones.
Those are the smallest US subs you can start in the game with.
After the S (Salmon series) came the Porpoise Class.
Unless I am mistaken, then it followed like this :
- Salmon
- Sargo
- Tambor
- Gar (virtually identical to the Tambor)
- Gato
- Balao (better steel, dives deeper)
- Tench (from 1944)

There are various versions of the Salmon according to the year
you start it with, and so on.

Play the game and have fun. Don't worry to much about the
realism level : turn on what you like, turn off what you don't.

After some time, install and try Fall of the rising sun.
It is quite good :ping:

Did you buy the expansion for Uboats ?
It is advised even if you don't play the Uboats and only the US side
because it moves your game to patch 1.5 and fixes many things.

For US side I use :

- Fall of the rising sun
- Fall of the rising sun SH3 to SH4 sub physics

For the Uboat side (I prefer SH3 and GWX 3.0 Gold honestly)
you can use :

- RSRDC v550 (Run Silent Run Deep)
- RSRDC v550 Patch 1
- Operation Monsun v705
- Operation Monsun v705 to v720
- Operation Monsun, Patch2
- OMEGU v300
- OMEGU v300 Patch 5A
- DBSM SH4 Speech Fix

[magic452]

BibD101 Welcome to the boat mate. :salute:

A little tip. 10 Kn. best speed for fuel mileage. :up:
Stay on the surface as much as you can.
Low speed only when submerged. Unless it's necessary to go faster.

This is really a fun game so stick with it you'll enjoy it.
A lot to learn but when the light bulb goes off you'll see
what the game has to offer.

Complete a few patrols and you'll get a new boat.
Best to complete as many missions as you can, at least 3 per patrol.
Don't worry about getting sunk at first, we all did also. :cry:

Magic

[Armistead]

SH4 lives! Unfortunately, with PC games anyway, Ubi won't unless it changes its slimy ways. "Online Services Platform?" What kind of "Internal Revenue Service" bullschnitzel are they trying to pass off here? Just the name makes me mad. "Services" emphasize keeping you from using the product you bought! "Services" do not include inconveniencing pirates in any way, as their games will not include the "services." The pirates' superior product will merely muscle the legitimate game off the market.

In the meantime, men and women fighting for their country, who are the commemorative subject of this arcade game, are unable to run Silent Hunter 5. Owners of laptops cannot play on airplanes or other places without internet access. Do you know that over 70% of the computers sold last year were laptops and most of them are used in a portable manner? Ubi says they're pirates and not customers.

I say if they're locked out, I'm locking Ubi out. Not one penny, not one game session, not one mod, not one tutorial, not one video until they relent. Silent Hunter 5 deserves to die an excruciating death and Ubi needs to go with it if they refuse to defang this trojan horse. They have done nothing less than replace temporarily piracy of their game with permanant piracy of our rights and our computers! They are much greater criminals than the pirates they claim are at fault for this travesty. The penalty for piracy, especially corporate piracy needs to be death. Ubi must be replaced by a company who treats us as friends, fans and monetary supporters. We are not criminals. We will not assent to being treated as such.

If we purchase SH5, if we play SH5, if we produce mods for it, we are promoting this behavior on Ubi's part. This is behavior that should be criminal. Several aspects of this DRM ARE criminal in certain European countries that enforce traditionally held fair use rights for copyrighted materials, including the right to sell your copy on the resale market. We need to hold the line here without compromise and force Ubi to change or join the dinosaurs so mammalian life can develop to meet our needs.

Don't buy Silent Hunter 5.
Don't play Silent Hunter 5.
Don't mod Silent Hunter 5.

It only encourages them.

I totally agree, but sadly many jump on the bandwagon and plenty of modders will mod away, fixing stupid crap that should've never been released. DRM won't go away as long as people keep buying, so fixing the bugs is actually promoting the use of DRM.
What's laughable is the hundreds of people that swore they wouldn't buy it did so anyway. Course most stated their gals just happened to be wondering the gaming aisle and just saw it and had to get it for them.

[Nordmann]

I totally agree, but sadly many jump on the bandwagon and plenty of modders will mod away, fixing stupid crap that should've never been released. DRM won't go away as long as people keep buying, so fixing the bugs is actually promoting the use of DRM.
What's laughable is the hundreds of people that swore they wouldn't buy it did so anyway. Course most stated their gals just happened to be wondering the gaming aisle and just saw it and had to get it for them.

Yes, it's sad really, because Ubi won't learn from their error thanks to these people. They moan, but buy the game regardless, and then cry when they either cannot play it, or encounter issues of which they were forewarned.

Never mind, you just can't help some people. I'm sticking with SH3 + GWX, and SH4 + TMO. At least until Ubi get rid of their OSP, or the game becomes available in the bargain bin for less than £10. Whichever comes first.

[Ducimus]

What's laughable is the hundreds of people that swore they wouldn't buy it did so anyway. Course most stated their gals just happened to be wondering the gaming aisle and just saw it and had to get it for them.


I am guilty as charged. Although, while technically my Gal did buy it, i pointed the box out on the shelf, when i shouldn't have picked the box up to begin with.

Call me a hypocrite, spineless, or whatever adjectives you can think of conjur straight to my face. They are deserved, and i agree. Just don't call me "Uboat fanboi", as i'm grounded well enough to not partake of the romance and mythology inspired by a movie about a novel that written as a cash cow when apologists were in vogue.

[Rockin Robbins]

Yes I'm very disappointed that the RFB crew has all jumped ship and Ducimus has sold out. It's just amazing how bribable people are. Were SH5 a perfect game, I still would boycott it based solely on the draconian DRM. "Services!" my horse's patootie! They wouldn't know a service if they shopped at Nordstroms.

Ubi thinks a service is supplying us bars for our doors and windows and sliding bread and water between them once a day. We're nothing more to them than criminals from which they can extort cash. I'm not participating.

[Nordmann]

Yes I'm very disappointed that the RFB crew has all jumped ship and Ducimus has sold out. It's just amazing how bribable people are. Were SH5 a perfect game, I still would boycott it based solely on the draconian DRM. "Services!" my horse's patootie! They wouldn't know a service if they shopped at Nordstroms.

Ubi thinks a service is supplying us bars for our doors and windows and sliding bread and water between them once a day. We're nothing more to them than criminals from which they can extort cash. I'm not participating.

Indeed, not that I'm surprised of course, few people can restrain themselves for long, and Ubi know it. This is what worries me, this OSP nonsense may well become more commonplace, because companies know that most people will accept it.

[Ducimus]

Ducimus has sold out..

Can i add that to my sig ? :D

[Madox58]

After reading RR's post and yours?

Is it OK if I...
:har:

What the heck Guys?
Can't we all just get along?
:haha:

[BIGD101]

Hey thanks for the tips and links! (magic452 & Gilbou)

I've just come back in from a mission to 'east china sea' problem was when i got to the marker it did nothing so i sailed about and took down about 4 ships, got myself into a right pickle, was right in the middle of a large convoy and thought it would be best to get right into the middle and use my forward and aft tubes at the same time, it did not work out to good but I made it out alive and hit one ship at least! :)

So i sailed back to base and completed the mission, well it said i did not complete it but they gave me a medal anyways! Anyone know if this is a problem that happens? What did i need to do to trigger the marker? It was the icon of a par of binoculars!?

I also just found that opening outer doors before firing is useful!!! :arrgh!:

Cheers
Big D

[Ducimus]

Meh.

If the shoe fits, wear it i guess.

What most people here don't understand, is that i'm done. I have spent so much time and effort into fixing this game, that i simply cannot stand to look at it anymore. Ive come to realize that i will never play SH4 the way i wanted to, and believe me i've tried. Repeatidly. (DRM can be quite the motivator) I really want to be able to enjoy SH4, to reap the fruits of my labor, but i just can't, and i've tried again and again.

SH4 is just... work to me. Period. It stopped being a labor of love a long time ago. I think the only thing thats kept me going is just to polish the mod so that when i finally do let it go, i won't have this niggeling feeling about something. And i know ive said retirement many times, but at some point you just have to stick a fork in it and call it done.

http://www.ducimus.net/sh415/retirement.jpg

The only reason why im playing SH5 right now, is because it feels like a game to me when i run it. It's fresh, new, and exciting. I look forward to playing it because it's a submarine sim where i don't know all the nuts and bolts, so the mystery, the magic, the unknown factor which makes these games fun is there. Thats not to say i haven't been modding it. Keyboard commands, AI sensors, and sub physics is where im limiting myself, and im not going to be doing that much longer. Im doing those, just out of a desire to help Luke. I have no more passion for modding anymore. Right now i have equal amount modding shortcuts for both SH4, and SH5 on my desktop. Once TMO 2.0 is published, and the next patch to SH5 comes out, im taking them ALL off.

Frankly im tired of busting my ass. I want to have fun like everyone else. So yeah, i sold out. I'll own that.

[Madox58]

I don't buy the 'Sold out' bit.
You earned what ever rest you take.
:salute:
If it does not suit others ideas of where you should go?
When has that ever mattered to you Mate?
:hmmm:

Whatever you do or don't do?
The heck with the rest of us!
:haha:
Just do it your way!
(You might want to hear the song I did it my way just about now)
:rock:

[Armistead]

Can i add that to my sig ? :D


Not you...Noooooooooooo...

[Ducimus]

One more thing. I love fleet boats. I really do. I've studied the PTO and ATO equally, but fleet boats are what got me into sub sims to begin with. So they hold a special place in my heart. If given the choice between uboats and fleet boats, ill go with fleet boats every time. I can wax the technical virtues of a fleet boat all day. Many people here feel the same way. So seeing me jump to a Uboat game in any capacity is probably being a sell out.

But the overriding factor here for me, is when a game stops being fun. As a further kick in the crotch, there will probably never be another fleet boat sim for a very long long time, if ever again. Bottom line, i'm glad i was able to help make it a better sim, and perhaps help make it the fleet boat sim that other PTO fans like myself were waiting for. But in so doing, i cheated myself out of the very game i wanted to play.

Left 4 Dead 1 or 2 suddenly sounds appealing. :rotfl2:

[jazman]

Yes I'm very disappointed that the RFB crew has all jumped ship and Ducimus has sold out.

That's harsh, the two SH4 supermods makers? They get a pass from me. So does lurker_hlb3. But I respect you, too, RR.

[Armistead]

One more thing. I love fleet boats. I really do. I've studied the PTO and ATO equally, but fleet boats are what got me into sub sims to begin with. So they hold a special place in my heart. If given the choice between uboats and fleet boats, ill go with fleet boats every time. I can wax the technical virtues of a fleet boat all day. Many people here feel the same way. So seeing me jump to a Uboat game in any capacity is probably being a sell out.

But the overriding factor here for me, is when a game stops being fun. As a further kick in the crotch, there will probably never be another fleet boat sim for a very long long time, if ever again. Bottom line, i'm glad i was able to help make it a better sim, and perhaps help make it the fleet boat sim that other PTO fans like myself were waiting for. But in so doing, i cheated myself out of the very game i wanted to play.

Left 4 Dead 1 or 2 suddenly sounds appealing. :rotfl2:

You know dang well there will be a PTO add on...course first they have to sell a add on to finish the war out, then I guess a new game.

[FIREWALL]

After I tossed SH5 I realized HEY, I have SH3 and SH4 UBM and alot of talented Modders that made them both great.

I have now and, will have years of fun and enjoyment.

I salute :salute: all the modders working hard to fix and make SH5 playable.

But if and\or when Ubi graces it with a patch that breaks all or most of the mods.

What then ?

Start all over until the next patch ?

[ichso]

I'm not really back from _SH5_ but rather from _reading-about-SH5_ :D
I wanted to go for some Ops Monsun action. And while I think the mod is great, I came to realize that I don't enjoy U-Boats that much anymore.
So I'm more or less back to the fleet boats again :salute:

[Rockin Robbins]

After I tossed SH5 I realized HEY, I have SH3 and SH4 UBM and alot of talented Modders that made them both great.

I have now and, will have years of fun and enjoyment.

I salute :salute: all the modders working hard to fix and make SH5 playable.

But if and\or when Ubi graces it with a patch that breaks all or most of the mods.

What then ?

Start all over until the next patch ?

Didn't that happen repeatedly with SH4? The modders just made the changes and thanked Ubi for making the patches. That's standard operating procedure.

But the BIG patch would be to elim this dratted DRM abuse. Then that cash jingling in my pocket would go to Ubi, go straight to Ubi, would not pass Left for Dead or Left for Dead2, would no longer collect pocket lint. The imperfections in the game don't bother me. The arcade nature of the game doesn't bother me as we have the dev's word that it can be fixed.

The stumbling block is the DRM. As long as it's there SH5 can be a polished diamond and I'm out and urge everyone else to stay out too. There are too many good entertainment products that don't insult you and punish you for being an honest customer to waste time with an abhorrent company like Ubi seems to want to be.

But if they see the error of their ways, repent and undo their dastardly act, I'll be the first to publicly recant, buy the program and do the same things for SH5 that I have done and will continue doing for SH4.

Either way I win. SH4 is a great game with legs to maintain it for several years to come. I'm happy with it and have no need at all for SH5 and am not missing the slightest detail of that game. It's only positive property is the lust for unknown frontiers. The negative overwhelms that right now.

[ichso]

Didn't that happen repeatedly with SH4? The modders just made the changes and thanked Ubi for making the patches. That's standard operating procedure.

But the BIG patch would be to elim this dratted DRM abuse. Then that cash jingling in my pocket would go to Ubi, go straight to Ubi, would not pass Left for Dead or Left for Dead2, would no longer collect pocket lint. The imperfections in the game don't bother me. The arcade nature of the game doesn't bother me as we have the dev's word that it can be fixed.

The stumbling block is the DRM. As long as it's there SH5 can be a polished diamond and I'm out and urge everyone else to stay out too. There are too many good entertainment products that don't insult you and punish you for being an honest customer to waste time with an abhorrent company like Ubi seems to want to be.

But if they see the error of their ways, repent and undo their dastardly act, I'll be the first to publicly recant, buy the program and do the same things for SH5 that I have done and will continue doing for SH4.

Either way I win. SH4 is a great game with legs to maintain it for several years to come. I'm happy with it and have no need at all for SH5 and am not missing the slightest detail of that game. It's only positive property is the lust for unknown frontiers. The negative overwhelms that right now.

So you are not missing anything from SH5 ("and [I] am not missing the slightest detail of that game") in SH4 but are still interested enough to spend money on the game should it get purged of DRM ?
That sounds somewhat cute :) Although I think I know what you mean ;)

[McHibbins]

Back here.

SH3 too far away in the past

SH5 too far away in the future

[jason210]

Back here.

SH3 too far away in the past

SH5 too far away in the future

Nicely put. I wasn't so keen on SH4, but after witnessing SH5 I'm back with SH4 and learning to appreciate it. A bit like going back to an ex-girlfirend after being with a bitch.

[Nordmann]

Nicely put. I wasn't so keen on SH4, but after witnessing SH5 I'm back with SH4 and learning to appreciate it. A bit like going back to an ex-girlfirend after being with a bitch.

Heh, indeed. I've got TMO installed, and having a blast.

[Galanti]

I don't see how the choice has to be so dramatic. I'm a PTO guy, but I like to dabble in the ATO from time to time. I can't say I was looking forward to SH5 as I was pretty sure it was going to be a gong show when released, but I was a little intrigued.

Now, it's released, it is pretty much a gong show, and I'll be tooling around in my Sargo until SH5 is patched/modded to a level I'm happy with. But I'm sure I'll play it again, just as I'm sure I'll be playing SH4 for years to come. We're not talking a messy divorce here; more like having multiple partners....

And I'm sure we'll see Ducimus and the RFB guys continue to be active in both forums.

And I suspect that with the current turkey-shoot campaign and roughly ten classes of merchant ships in SH5, your'e going to see a steady trickly of people back into SH4 UBM/OM until something similar is released for SH5. It's just too shallow right.

[Bane]

The release of SH5 brought me back to the series. I bought it and played the tutorial just to check it out and then I put it down so I could finish Call of Pripyat. During that time I read that it isn't all that and a bag of chips at the moment so I decided to let Ubi and the modders work their magic on it for a while.

I finished CoP and installed SH4 plus TMO and RSRD and caught the silent hunting bug once again. I tried it when it was first released, but couldn't get into it because it wasn't u-boats. I see now the error of my ways.

[KING111]

i am back with Sh3 and Sh4
i have Sh5 on my computer
but every time i start it up i just
feel its a waste of time i put it on
for 10 min's yestarday
but then i but Sh3 on with all the mods
and i was on it for 3 hours
i think i am living in hope that one day
something like GMX will come out for
it until then its SH3 and SH4 and stuff SH5:damn:

[kaosfere]

Another brand new member here. I played numerous sub sims back in the ancient DOS days, but haven't in years. The PR about SH5, and posts about older versions on the Quarter To Three forums, renewed my interest in the genre.

However, as soon as news was released of Ubi's new, atrocious, actively customer-hostile DRM I resolved that, no matter how shiny, or how tempting, not one penny of my money would go to SH5 or any game crippled with such an abomination.

Instead, I'm happy enjoying getting my feet wet in SH4, and re-discovering the long forgotten joys of silent hunting... and I'm doing it with a more mature, fully patched, and nicely modded product than I would have been had I just jumped right into SH5. For that, perhaps, I should be thankful.

That said, the *day* that Ubi announces that they are removing the onerous DRM from *all* their future products, I will plop down cash for SH5, no questions asked. I do want to see what it's like...

[Admiral8Q]

Nicely put. I wasn't so keen on SH4, but after witnessing SH5 I'm back with SH4 and learning to appreciate it. A bit like going back to an ex-girlfirend after being with a bitch.
Interesting.:hmmm:

Maybe I shouldn't bother with sh5 then.

[TH0R]

Two simple reasons why I skipped SH5:

1) DRM and the fact that my hardware isn't able to run the game decently.

2) It will take modders two years minimum to convert it into a decent simulator, to the standard on which SH3 and SH4 are nowadays.


By that time I will have a new rig, and the DRM will be removed. And my nerves will welcome not messing with DRM. :)

[theluckyone17]

I figure I'll stick with SH4 for quite a while. I haven't been able to get SH3 to work well on my widescreen monitor... gotta fix that display ratio, and I might be able to stomach the horrible fatigue model.

SH5... well... I'll be honest. If Ubisoft had done well, polishing SH5 'til it shined... I might see enough value in it to deal with the DRM. As it stands, I don't. Until patches/mods resolve enough issues, or OSP is removed, I won't consider buying SH5. Ubisoft has lost a lot of my trust, too. They'll have to work overtime to get it back.

Besides, modding Oblivion has me hooked at the current moment. I've got a rather successful full-realism career in SH4 to pay attention to, too.

By the way, after reading RR's comments, I wonder if there's a correlation between those of us running Linux (dual booting, at least) and hating OSP? :cool:

For what it's worth, Ducimus, I don't see you as selling out, or anyone else for that matter. I don't believe SH5 is going to make a big enough dent in Ubisoft's profit-driven attention span to make a difference. AC2, on the other hand...

[kaosfere]

By the way, after reading RR's comments, I wonder if there's a correlation between those of us running Linux (dual booting, at least) and hating OSP? :cool:

Linux backup server
Linux HTPC
triple-booting MacBook (OS X / Ubuntu /Windows 7)

...

And my gaming rig, of course.

(And I'm currently sitting at work at a quad-head linux workstation monitoring a whole bunch of trading applications)

[Admiral8Q]

By the way, after reading RR's comments, I wonder if there's a correlation between those of us running Linux (dual booting, at least) and hating OSP? :cool:


I'll tell you what. My next computer will be a MAC. I'm sick ow windows crap.:yawn:

I had to install it three times to get it to work this time, oi!

[jazman]

I'll tell you what. My next computer will be a MAC. I'm sick ow windows crap.:yawn:

I had to install it three times to get it to work this time, oi!

If you have a problem with DRM, just wait until you get into Steve Jobs' Apple Jail.

[Capt. Teach]

Well,

I've kept quiet about SHV until now. However, I [and apparently like a lot of others] have a real problem with the DRM. My problem isn't, however, about whether or not my game is interupted on occasion, if my place is lost because of a lost connection, or whether or not the online service is worth having.

My issue is of faith. Faith that Ubisoft will still be there 3 years down the line. Faith that they will fix problems. Faith that Ubisoft will contune to fund and support their servers as well as staff them when it crosses the point of costing more to maintain the online DRM than the product is bringing in. Faith that if that time comes they will remove the DRM or faith that they will "one day" remove the DRM because it is unpopular. I have been burned by large companies enough in the past to have learned you cannot trust them to do what is right. [Mostly trust them to do what is profitable ... or at least seemingly so.] I can point to two large companies that are shining examples ... SOE and EA *cough*.

Because I have this lack of faith they will be lacking my funds until the DRM is gone.

Just one noobs opinion. :salute:

[jerm138]

If you have a problem with DRM, just wait until you get into Steve Jobs' Apple Jail.

Well put...

That's the reason most computer geeks (that I know) avoid apple.
I always tell friends and family to buy an apple when they ask for advice on which computer to buy. That's because I know they're really hard to screw up and simple to use.

I see it like this:
Apple is like a brand new sports car that's pretty much bulletproof, but all the maintenance has to be done at the factory, and the ONLY parts you can buy for it have to come directly from the factory too. Perfect for people who don't know much about cars but want to drive fast.

PC is like a '69 Camaro SS. It might not be as perfect. It might be loud and ugly, and it might break down on you more often than you like. But gearheads love it because they can get in there and get their hands dirty... hot rod it a little... customize it... make it their own. :arrgh!:

I pretty much agree with everything RockinRobbins said, only I'm not quite so passionate about it. I only played SH3 for a few days (before buying SH4), so U-Boats never found a place in my heart. I've kept my eye on SH5 with great interest though... it does look great, but I'm going to wait until I hear reports about it being fixed properly.

The main reason I upgraded to SH4 after only a few days of SH3 was because of the lack of widescreen support in 3. There was some sort of DirectX fix workaround out there, but I couldn't get it to work.

Fleet boats though... That's the stuff! The biggest thing for me is that it got me interested in learning all the submarine history that I should have learned back when I was punching holes in the ocean. Since I started playing, I've read "Submarine!" twice. I'm currently working on "Clear the Bridge!" and I have "Thunder Below" waiting patiently on my nightstand. The books feed the interest and enjoyment of the game, and the game does the same thing in return for the books.

A lot of the guys I work with are ex-submariners too, so I've caught all kinds of hell lately for being a "diggit." I don't care though... this stuff is exciting!

As for dogging someone for which game they play... really?!? This ain't religion or politics, folks. You don't insult someone for which version of the game they decide to play. :nope: Why does anyone care that Ducimus is playing SH5? Hasn't he done enough for us?

[Rockin Robbins]

I don't recall that anyone insulted Ducimus.


However, when your actions result in the loss of someone else's rights, then there is some culpability there. Buying SH5 is a vote for UBI's decisions relating to necessary full-time internet connection (locking out servicepeople in Afganistan, among many others), the DRM system (destroying your fair-use right to use copyrighted material and eliminating your right to resell that copyrighted material after you're through with it) and other rights this DRM needlessly and wrongly interferes with. Your actions become significant when they deny or enable others to deny people their rights to life, liberty and property. Isn't that the basis for all morality?

Or is right and wrong no longer relevant to anything today?

[Drifter]

Back to SH4 after giving up on SH5? umm... ... YES!!!!

After giving it three chances, I gave up on SH5 in disgust and uninstalled it (once again). Other than pretty graphics, I see no other reason to use it over modded SH3 and SH4. SH4 and SH4 Operation Monsoon are 1000x better. Even vanilla SH4 was much better upon release. SH5 is complete crap in my opinion. The game wasn't even half-finished upon release. Half the war is missing. Only one U-boat available (Type VII). The rpg element is horribly implemented. Game performance is really bad for many. Almost no crew management. And the bug list is long, long, long. Modders are currently working on trying to 'save' SH5 from a watery grave, but I am now having serious doubts it can be saved at all. Anyone wondering about getting SH5 anytime soon- don't waste your time or money. Save yourself the frustration and disappointment.

[Drifter]

SH4 lives!

If we purchase SH5, if we play SH5, if we produce mods for it, we are promoting this behavior on Ubi's part. This is behavior that should be criminal. Several aspects of this DRM ARE criminal in certain European countries that enforce traditionally held fair use rights for copyrighted materials, including the right to sell your copy on the resale market. We need to hold the line here without compromise and force Ubi to change or join the dinosaurs so mammalian life can develop to meet our needs.

Don't buy Silent Hunter 5.
Don't play Silent Hunter 5.
Don't mod Silent Hunter 5.

It only encourages them.

Very well said, Rockin Robbins. UBI damn-well knew this. They released SH5 only half-finished, knowing the modders would pick up the slack and 'finish it' for free. I am an SH modder, and did release a few mods for SH5, but no more. I am through with be taken advantage of by UBI. I will not work for free anymore to fix and finish SH5. I have no problem modding SH3 and SH4 because those two sims were released relatively complete. This was not the case with SH5. Not at all.

And DRM? UBI is now openly crapping on their customers. Screw them. I regret my decision to buy SH5. :down:

[Admiral8Q]

I've watched the trailers to SH5 and although it looks like eye candy, I'm more into the strategy part of the game. Sure the graphics are nice to have, but when you get down to it the realism is what makes it what it is. :rock:

Where am I?
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1434/destroyerlights.png
Oh! There I am!!!http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7663/oldme.png

[rmr1701]

One more thing. I love fleet boats. I really do. I've studied the PTO and ATO equally, but fleet boats are what got me into sub sims to begin with. So they hold a special place in my heart. If given the choice between uboats and fleet boats, ill go with fleet boats every time. I can wax the technical virtues of a fleet boat all day. Many people here feel the same way. So seeing me jump to a Uboat game in any capacity is probably being a sell out.

But the overriding factor here for me, is when a game stops being fun. As a further kick in the crotch, there will probably never be another fleet boat sim for a very long long time, if ever again. Bottom line, i'm glad i was able to help make it a better sim, and perhaps help make it the fleet boat sim that other PTO fans like myself were waiting for. But in so doing, i cheated myself out of the very game i wanted to play.

Left 4 Dead 1 or 2 suddenly sounds appealing. :rotfl2:


Well, I for one, will be forever grateful to you and the others who have given their own time and expertise modding SHIV without charge. I have no idea of the sacrifice of time and family and sanity you have given up for us, but once again, am extremely grateful. I wish you well in whatever endeavour you pursue and hope you will still be around if I ever need your expertise.
Thank you, Rhett Riegel :salute:

[Ducimus]

Heh, i might be coming back to SH4 again. I'm a little disconcerted having a saved game CTD on me.

That and there is things i miss, like umm.. Radar for starters, and then 6 bow tubes. Then.. well.. things just make more sense to me in SH4.

SH5 has potential. At first i REALLY liked it, now im finding myself "trying" to like it.

One beautiful thing about SH4....

it's two sim's rolled into one.

[Rockin Robbins]

I predict we'll be having fun with SH4 five years from now. I'm not so sure about SH5, but who cares? I'm having fun!

[McHibbins]

I predict we'll be having fun with SH4 five years from now. I'm not so sure about SH5, but who cares? I'm having fun!

:up::up::up: There´s nothing else to say

[Armistead]

I predict we'll be having fun with SH4 five years from now. I'm not so sure about SH5, but who cares? I'm having fun!


I agree. I know I'm sure SH5 is unplayable as a realistic sim right now. Many want to say it's decent, to me it's either playable and enjoyable or not. I'm not going to tolerate something because a few aspects are better.
All these post there, one one hand these things are great, on the other hand it sucks.

Some just say nothing, just hope..not to declare is to bend over and grab ankle, just state what it is and isn't and right now it isn't playable as a real sim..

[Galanti]

I agree. I know I'm sure SH5 is unplayable as a realistic sim right now. Many want to say it's decent, to me it's either playable and enjoyable or not. I'm not going to tolerate something because a few aspects are better.
All these post there, one one hand these things are great, on the other hand it sucks.

Some just say nothing, just hope..not to declare is to bend over and grab ankle, just state what it is and isn't and right now it isn't playable as a real sim..

Agreed, I do enjoy the pretty clouds and seaspray in my face, but it's utterly ruined by the pitifully lacking and historically inaccurate merchant shipset in the game. Not to mention the much heralded dynamic campaign has virtually no basis in reality.

Argh, we've been ruined by mods like GWX, OM, RFB, TMO and RSRD.

It's pretty simple really, and it should have come as no surprise to me: the game is currently unplayable and will be for some time to come, until it's patched and has the arse modded out of it.

Back to the Slot in November '42 for me, a very exciting place to be at that time....

[Sailor Steve]

Agreed, I do enjoy the pretty clouds and seaspray in my face, but it's utterly ruined by the pitifully lacking and historically inaccurate merchant shipset in the game.
I agree it needs much help, just from what I've read here. I'm sure it will get that help as time passes, but I just wanted to remind everyone of the merchant ships that came with SH3:

Coastal Cargo
Small Cargo
C2 Cargo
C3 Cargo

Small Tanker (this was actually the very specific US T1, though rated at 4130 tons rather than its actual 1980)
T2 Tanker
T3 Tanker

Liberty Cargo
Victory Cargo

It took someone who could figure out the files early on to rename them 'medium cargo', 'large cargo', 'medium tanker' and 'large tanker'.

[Galanti]

I agree it needs much help, just from what I've read here. I'm sure it will get that help as time passes, but I just wanted to remind everyone of the merchant ships that came with SH3:

Coastal Cargo
Small Cargo
C2 Cargo
C3 Cargo

Small Tanker (this was actually the very specific US T1, though rated at 4130 tons rather than its actual 1980)
T2 Tanker
T3 Tanker

Liberty Cargo
Victory Cargo

It took someone who could figure out the files early on to rename them 'medium cargo', 'large cargo', 'medium tanker' and 'large tanker'.

Ah, but I was fortunate enough to stumble on SH3 just after GWX 1 had just been released.

Actually, I have found the file to do the same thing in SH5, and have made it so. It helps, but damn it, I recognize a Liberty ship when I see it.

[Sailor Steve]

It helps, but damn it, I recognize a Liberty ship when I see it.
:DL I know. I was just thinking that SH3 was quite limited in the beginning too. Sometime in the future SH5 should be much more playable and fun than it is now.

Just being optimistic, because right now I can't even play any of them.

[Diopos]

Agreed, I do enjoy the pretty clouds and seaspray in my face, ....

Uummmm ... ecxuse me ... it isn't "seaspray" in your face but UBI spitting on your face! :yep:



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[AVGWarhawk]

Snickering maybe but not spitting :03:

[Diopos]

Couldn't resist the analogy. :)



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[Gunfighter]

I am still here with SH4 But I am also using SH5, Graphics are good but I found Control hard to master until someone Modded it,So I am enjoying the Best of Both and will continue to use SH4 for a good while , the Modders here have made SH4 just as good as SH5 :up:

[AVGWarhawk]

I played SH4 last night after 30 minutes with SH5. Yes sir Gunfighter...SH4 IMO is as good as SH5 after the modder got a hold of it. Right now for FUN quotient SH4 has got SH5 beat by a long shot. SH5 will come into it's own but it will take a while. For now I watch what becomes of SH5 but use my time playing SH4. :up:

[Catfish]

Hello,
also back to SH IV, with Lurker's, Karamazovnews and others mods this is state of the art.

In SH 5 there are so much bugs, inconsistencies and historical flaws that i would not know even where to begin with. And the "campaign" is not dynamic. Only the outcome is dynamic in a way, but the missions themselves are scripted. And then those orders like "go out and sink 100.000 tons" ?! Two Dido cruisers ? If you sink any other ship than demanded in the mission goal, it is worth nothing - how is that "dynamic" ???
Uboats were ordered to go to a certain region, and take on what's coming along - apart from some few direct orders like Scapa Flow etc.
At least i was not able to spend too much time with it, since i was unable to play it for three weeks at all, 1 of 20 tried log-ins were successfull, with a 6000 DSL connection. After comlaining UBI sent an eMail "whether my DSL plug was connected" . I really would have liked that plug to be connected deep into one of UBS managers prolonged back. :nope:

/rant off

OK back to looking forward to SH IV and the new mods :rock:

Greetings,
Catfish

[Gunfighter]

I played SH4 last night after 30 minutes with SH5. Yes sir Gunfighter...SH4 IMO is as good as SH5 after the modder got a hold of it. Right now for FUN quotient SH4 has got SH5 beat by a long shot. SH5 will come into it's own but it will take a while. For now I watch what becomes of SH5 but use my time playing SH4. :up:

Glad you agree,The Mod section of SH5 seams to be all over the place one Guy modding this and someone else doing the same mod elswhere what did you think ?

[Glock17]

Well SHV is basicly the same deal as a stock SH4. Alot of stuff makes it feel arcady.

I must say that alot of the pros of SHV are just the eyecandy atm. The shores look very real, and the enviroments are just sweet. :yeah:

But thats sadly about it. I dont like the campaign for a bit the way it is now. with the silly stuff like, sink so many capitol ships etc in it. Over the top explosions, and again ships with hitpoints instead of a proper flooding mechanism argh.:down:

But then again SH3 wasnt all that godo either and bug ridden till RUB or GWX stepped in.
But for now my hopes are on the mod teams to make it a good game.
RDA is allready in the good direction, hope in time something along the lines of RSRD and NSM will be modded for SHV. Especialy getting rid of that stock campaign is high on my wishlist and getting something decent in. :P

[AVGWarhawk]

Glad you agree,The Mod section of SH5 seams to be all over the place one Guy modding this and someone else doing the same mod elswhere what did you think ?

Eventually it all comes together. :up:

[General Tso]

I'm back to SH4. As mentioned above the only thing that SH5 does better is graphics and that gets old after awhile.

[Steiger]

I suspected from the screen shots that SH5 was going to be terrible, so I held off on purchasing until I heard some from the community. To no surprise, it was reported as awful, aside from the whole DRM fiasco.

At present, I am very happily playing SH3 & 4. If I won the lottery I would certainly donate generously to those heroes of the community.

[I'm goin' down]

With RR :woot:and Gunfighter :woot:around, how can anyone leave? :hmmm: Trigger Maru is my game and Easy Aob my tool of choice. Why leave? As for Ducimus:yeah:, he gets a pass in my book. He needs to get familair with SH5 so he can, one day, apply that knowledge to the next generation of Trigger Maru!:D

[Morpheus]

SH4 is the subim to go with !

That new pile of crap has been sunk on the toilet ^^

[ReallyDedPoet]

SH4 is the subim to go with !

That new pile of crap has been sunk on the toilet ^^

Funny, when 4 was first released many folks here said the same about it. Go back to 3 they said.... :yep:
Nothing wrong with having them all installed. Me: one of SH3, about four of SH4 and one of SH5.

[thyro]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1319674#post1319674)
Ducimus has sold out..
Can i add that to my sig ? :D



Ubi fanboy! :stare:

I keep playing SH4 OMS + RB+DS who needs SH5 anyway...

:P

[blacklabs]

apparently 5 is crap the only good thing about it is you can get all the compartments and you can walk around

[thyro]

Fact!

Gamers are like women!

Both love anything that has better cosmetics!

Both spend money on cosmetics, then throw it into the rubish bin when realise that wasn't exactly what were looking for...



BTW: @blacklabs resize the SH4's 3D command room divided it with different compartments and you get the interior.

[Armistead]

I guess I'm as faithful as an old hound dog, cuz I never left.

[Frumpkis]

Looking on the bright side here, we're probably lucky that the current flawed release is the ATO instead of PTO. I'm a huge fan of the US fleet boats myself (Dad was in the Navy in the Pacific during WWII), but I get the impression that there's more enthusiasm for U-boats in the general sub simulation audience. That could mean more incentive for the modders, over time. I'm not sure the Pacific would get much love, if it was our turn this time around, the new release had so many problems, and there was a fairly recent and well-modded release in the other theater to fall back on.

I'll check out SH5 and whatever modding has been done in six months or a year. The two things I'd be looking forward to are shorter transit times, and more reliance on sonar on the German side. Sometimes radar makes it seem way too easy. Also my sonar operator in SH4 is an idiot. I hope that's improved in SH5, where it should really matter more for initial target acquisition and tracking.

[Ducimus]

Well, ive been doing nothing but working on SH4 (again) since i've returned from vacation. Trying to put some last touches on the old girl. Heck, i might even play.

[Bubblehead1980]

Well, ive been doing nothing but working on SH4 (again) since i've returned from vacation. Trying to put some last touches on the old girl. Heck, i might even play.


yea, sink some ships duci, will keep your enthusiasm for the game up, it does mine.:salute:

[I'm goin' down]

The Navy has empaneled a Board of Naval Inquiry to determine how Ducimus managed to program Trigger Maru so that one of its destroyers not only managed to sink the Barbarinna with a depth charge and also managed, simultaneously I might add, to destroy my computer's hard drive (please refer to the note below my emblem). :wah:Now that is what I call one FANTASTIC mod. And, just when I was beginning to unravel the celestial navigaton mod!:D

My new computer lacks the ram to play SH4 so I am on shore leave for the forseeable future, chasing WAVES.

[Steiger]

Left 4 Dead 1 or 2 suddenly sounds appealing. :rotfl2:

I'll kill zombies with you any time of the day. Look me up on Steam, or any other subsimmers for that matter - Anonymoose5000

[bybyx]

I never left for SH5. I only kept it for 15 minutes on my hdd and then uninstall.:arrgh!:

[commandosolo2009]

I totally agree, but sadly many jump on the bandwagon and plenty of modders will mod away, fixing stupid crap that should've never been released. DRM won't go away as long as people keep buying, so fixing the bugs is actually promoting the use of DRM.
What's laughable is the hundreds of people that swore they wouldn't buy it did so anyway. Course most stated their gals just happened to be wondering the gaming aisle and just saw it and had to get it for them.



+1 in favour

**** UBi UBIerF.A.I.L.SOFT

If you cant beat'em, DONT join'em

[Rockin Robbins]

Does this thread have legs or what? This is only my personal advice and no one is expected to listen. This does not constitute a call for a ban or an attack on Ubi, but for what it's worth:

Don't buy SH5
Don't play SH5
Don't mod SH5
Don't make tutorials for SH5

It only encourages the Monster

<Play Steppenwolf, Monster here>

[Buddahaid]

Does this thread have legs or what? This is only my personal advice and no one is expected to listen. This does not constitute a call for a ban or an attack on Ubi, but for what it's worth:

Don't buy SH5
Don't play SH5
Don't mod SH5
Don't make tutorials for SH5

It only encourages the Monster

<Play Steppenwolf, Monster here>

It's a Pandora's box.

[Jan Kyster]

<Play Steppenwolf, Monster here>My favorite is Shackles and chains :hmmm: