Ubisoft anounces compensation

[Teabold]

According to the german magazin "Gamestar" Ubisoft will grant compensation due to the server problems last weekend.
They will offer free download content in the near future.

I guess, they will just claim the next patch to be compensatory.

For german speakers:
http://www.gamestar.de/news/vermischtes/2313409/ubisoft.html

[Letum]

It will be interesting to see what Ubi thinks can redeem it's recent performance...

[mookiemookie]

Thanks for the update. I too wonder what kind of bone they'll throw us. Extra sub emblems or something trivial like that ain't gonna cut it.

[Rockin Robbins]

:har::har::har::har::har::har:

The cake is a lie!!!

[Sgtmonkeynads]

Pffftttt.....What do you think they will give us ?
It'd be nice if it were a non-d thing, but I bet it's the type B none of us are able to get.

[BigBANGtheory]

Actually that is very interesting as it demonstrates a level of customer care (not to be sneezed at). :yep:

Proof will be in the pudding.
(to carry on the cake pun hehe)

[SteamWake]

There gonna give us all 'special soup' to improve our moral :haha:

[Jimbuna]

Don't go purchasing anything based on the strength of what you think the value might be :DL

[Officerpuppy]

Free content? That's a bit odd, does that mean there is/was/ or will be paid content?:hmmm:

"1944 campaign-----$10"
"U-Flack-------------$5"
"New uniforms-------$5"
"New airplanes-----Free because of what happened last week"

[EgoApocalypse]

FFS.....If its true thats admittence that the game is FUBAR.

Better be a nice free downloady thingy or I might I have to have a healthy glass of wine.:O:

[Mud]

so we get contacted by Email about DLC ( last sentence)

cant´t wait to see what they pull out of their sleeve.


Mud

[Dowly]

My guess is new single missions (you know, the one's EVERYONE can do). :roll:

[AVGWarhawk]

Free content! Bring on the dancing girls! :rock:

[GDFTigerTank]

Excellent - we're getting a downloadable "Ubisoft" emblem for the sides of our conning towers!!! :yeah:
And the "pirate" with the eye patch is getting a downloadable pirate hat!!! :arrgh!:

AWESOME!

I feel all better. All those problems with your DRM are a thing of the past, completely irrelevant with this amazing gift! :woot:

In fact... Ubisoft, will you please have my babies because I've always wanted to be a father and y-

*THWACK!*


Whoa... :o
My sarcasm regulator obviously needs to be replaced... sorry about that. Let me go take care of that, I'll be right back!

[BlackSpot]

Maybe it's a pair of rose-tinted glasses :D

[Mud]

Maybe it's a pair of rose-tinted glasses :D

That Sir might be a winner :rotfl2:

Mud

[Armistead]

Whatever it's gonna be, it ain't gonna be of any real value that cost them anything. The best thing would be a patch so you could play single player offline...so I could buy the game. Something silly would be a slap in the face.

When DRM goofs again....what next.

[Letum]

There gonna give us all 'special soup' to improve our moral

Haha! This tickled me.

[Dowly]

Reminds me of the time I was playing Warhammer Online and the servers went unexpectedly down on Sunday, they gave everyone a one (1) free day to their subscriptions. :haha:

Ok, well fair enough, the gave back what people lost, but I dont think Ubi will be doing the same.

[gimpy117]

it would be cool if it was a typII

its put into the .cfg

[Conrad von Kaiser]

How much you want to bet they were referencing the Assassin's Creed player's and not the SH5 community when they made that announcement?

"OK guys we give the AS2 guys one of the two expansions for free, it's PC less play on that then console anyway"

"Sir, what about the Silent Hunter Community?"

"The who what now? Oh those submarine guys. Give'em a conning tower emblem or something"

[Sgtmonkeynads]

I'd laugh my you know what off if they "gave" us something Modders already had last week !!!!:har::har::har::har::har:

[The Enigma]

After giving it some thought, perhaps you all are going to get a completely rewritten manual to replace the current one. :O:

[melendir]

Maybe it's new DRM 2 = More annoying, only this time you have to be permanently in their office to play the game, so they can see that you are not pirate :har:
It would suit the original idea to make legal customers suffer :damn:

[FIREWALL]

Who are you all kidding ? They'll give you a turd dressed up as a OH Henry candy bar.

And you'll all say it tastes SWEET !!! :har::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

[John Channing]

Have you read the posts in this thread.... or did you just jump in with yet another Big Font rant?

JCC

[Iliaz]

Free content? That's a bit odd, does that mean there is/was/ or will be paid content?:hmmm:

"1944 campaign-----$10"
"U-Flack-------------$5"
"New uniforms-------$5"
"New airplanes-----Free because of what happened last week"

Totally reminded me of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fuDDqU6n4o).

Rather fitting for this whole ordeal, i think. Maybe this "compensation" is the handbook they forgot. :har:

[Barso]

I think it's directed at the AC2 owners too.
I won't say no to most things for free but I have a feeling it will be useless.
What possibly could they offer us?
Although I have been proven wrong in the past.

[Turbografx]

"Dear and Valued Customers,

As compensation for our recent technical troubles, Ubisoft is happy to announce free downloadable content for all affected, namely patch 1.2. The patch will be automatically applied to the software, we hope you will enjoy this additional free content."

[gmccabe01]

Maybe a Medic, I know the crew heal over time but he might help speed
up the process

[Rip]

I am going to guess a white flag for all the French ships to fly.
:D


Hey don't bitch, you guys got me started!:oops:

[GDFTigerTank]

Someone please post the compensation email when you get it, for those of us at work!

[Iliaz]

Maybe it's new DRM 2 = More annoying, only this time you have to be permanently in their office to play the game, so they can see that you are not pirate :har:
It would suit the original idea to make legal customers suffer :damn:

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[Herman]

There gonna give us all 'special soup' to improve our moral :haha:

Maybe it's koolaid. :03:

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Would someone PLEASE tell me JUST HOW.... on PLANET EARTH... is Ubisoft going to offer

VASELINE as a free/compensatory download?????

HMMMMM???? :down::down::down:

[karamazovnew]

I'd consider myself compensated if they don't quit patching the game and introduce some features that "didn't make it into the game because of lack of time". :salute:

[col_Kurtz]

‘And by the way, while we are on the subject, Here comes a candle to light you to bed, here comes a chopper to chop off your head!’

G. Orwell 1984 :rock:

[janh]

The reference says explicitly that the free compensation is for both ACII and SHV. I am really curious what that will be.

[Conrad von Kaiser]

The reference says explicitly that the free compensation is for both ACII and SHV. I am really curious what that will be.

Conning tower emblem or "Historical" Mission pack would be my guess.

[GDFTigerTank]

Isn't it obvious?

Our sub captain is getting an optional "Emilio" outfit to wear onboard the sub.

And Emilio is getting an optional "German U-boat Ace" outfit to wear while he's out and about in Venice.

:rotfl2:

[OakGroove]

They'll probably grant you a 10-days free trial coupon. For their upcoming SH "Pay to play" theme.

[KiwiVenge]

Uplay 'points" maybe? Whatever those do.

[NefariousKoel]

"Dear and Valued Customers,

As compensation for our recent technical troubles, Ubisoft is happy to announce free downloadable content for all affected, namely patch 1.2. The patch will be automatically applied to the software, we hope you will enjoy this additional free content."

Congratulations!

You receive another patch that fixes a few things. :haha:

[Placoderm]

Free content? That's a bit odd, does that mean there is/was/ or will be paid content?:hmmm:

"1944 campaign-----$10"
"U-Flack-------------$5"
"New uniforms-------$5"
"New airplanes-----Free because of what happened last week"



That is EXACTLY what it means. That is what the DRM is all about, and anyone thinking otherwise is fooling themselves. The shareholders statement mentioned in another thread essentially confirmed their marketing strategy going forward, with this series as well as future Ubisoft games.

The DRM is not just copy protection and it never was...rather it is a means to sell us additional content whilst controlling distribution of that content at the same time. For this reason alone you can give up any hope of UBI removing the DRM for the life of the game, as it is inherent in their current marketing strategy.

This should not come as any surprise to anyone following current software marketing strategy with many other companies. It started with console games, and since the profit margins on paid DLC are higher than new releases...they are carrying this same strategy over to the PC market. Of course the only way that they can do that is through restrictive always-on DRM.

So yes, expect:

"New! Type IX upgrade available for only $14.99"
"New! Elite crew package w/ upgraded optics only $9.99"
"New! 6 new Merchant ships w/special FX only $14.99"
"New! Camo pack for type VII and IX only $9.99"

Think I am wrong? They already test-marketed this with the U.S. "Gold Edition" which was nothing more than a few rare skins and a manual that should have been included in ALL versions...for only $10 more. Anyone that paid for the "Gold Edition" proved to UBI that there is a market for DLC add-on sales.

The idea has already shown itself in games such as Rise of Flight and Wings of Prey, so don't be surprised to see it applied to SHV very very soon...


(by the way, I am NOT defending this...just calling it for what it is, as some do not seem to be aware of what is coming) :damn:

[Adriatico]

They will provide us with microchip for dogs... I mean for players...

As soon as you loose connection - it will register all your bitching, crying and shouting via satelite !

No need to vomit at Subsim loo... if you're DRM sick.

Just you and Ubi... forums free.
:smug:

[John Channing]

So yes, expect:

"New! Type IX upgrade available for only $14.99"
"New! Elite crew package w/ upgraded optics only $9.99"
"New! 6 new Merchant ships w/special FX only $14.99"
"New! Camo pack for type VII and IX only $9.99"

Think I am wrong? They already test-marketed this with the U.S. "Gold Edition" which was nothing more than a few rare skins and a manual that should have been included in ALL versions...for only $10 more. Anyone that paid for the "Gold Edition" proved to UBI that there is a market for DLC add-on sales.



Think you're wrong?

Hell... I'm hopin' you're right!


JCC

[capthelm]

we all get uboat shaped coloring books and pens ..

[jimimadrid]

I knew their free gift:

Their shortened answer to my email from sunday was:

Please download the freeware KMDIAG-Tool. Send us the logs of your system and we will help you to get off the problems of your system.

Original in German:
"Um die Ursachen solches Phänomens besser zu verstehen benötigen wir zumindest rudimentäre Informationen über Ihren PC.
Bitte laden Sie das KMDIAG-Tool herunter. Erstellen Sie Systeminformation-Datei und hängen Sie diese an Ihre Anfrage."

NICE they want to analyze my computer because their server was down.

Bingo - a free check of my computer by ubisoft - i'm so happy.

[Heretic]

So yes, expect:

"New! Type IX upgrade available for only $14.99"
"New! Elite crew package w/ upgraded optics only $9.99"
"New! 6 new Merchant ships w/special FX only $14.99"
"New! Camo pack for type VII and IX only $9.99"

Think I am wrong? They already test-marketed this with the U.S. "Gold Edition" which was nothing more than a few rare skins and a manual that should have been included in ALL versions...for only $10 more. Anyone that paid for the "Gold Edition" proved to UBI that there is a market for DLC add-on sales.

Think you're wrong?


Hell... I'm hopin' you're right!


JCC
:agree:

[capthelm]

I knew their free gift:

Their shortened answer to my email from sunday was:

Please download the freeware KMDIAG-Tool. Send us the logs of your system and we will help you to get off the problems of your system.

Original in German:
"Um die Ursachen solches Phänomens besser zu verstehen benötigen wir zumindest rudimentäre Informationen über Ihren PC.
Bitte laden Sie das KMDIAG-Tool herunter. Erstellen Sie Systeminformation-Datei und hängen Sie diese an Ihre Anfrage."

NICE they want to analyze my computer because their server was down.

Bingo - a free check of my computer by ubisoft - i'm so happy.


lmao :rotfl2:

[janh]

That is EXACTLY what it means. ...

This should not come as any surprise to anyone following current software marketing strategy with many other companies. ...

The idea has already shown itself in games such as Rise of Flight and Wings of Prey, so don't be surprised to see it applied to SHV very very soon...


Unfortunately I complete agree. And it complete agrees with Ubisofts 2009/2010 strategy paper that you can find on their Corporate website ("...reuse of engine... and more regular releases of their franchises" etc). When a few weeks ago I read about that in "Rise of Flight and Wings of Prey", I just started laughing tears. Similar to the idea of all the MORPG or any other online game that "provides you new content regularly", this is one way to achieve the highly desirable binding of customers to your franchise, and only yours. So the OSP scheme fits in this perfectly, and will in the future probably go down that route. No surprise, is it?

Anyway, if SHV is so moddable, we should probably not need to pay for addons, at least as long as they don't contain major engine changes and added core functionality. And as long as Ubisoft doesn't put a barrier up to modding certain things (such as adding the type IX for example). So maybe it will work for online games, or casual players that don't know about and don't follow modding progress, but once you discovered subsim.com, you probably will simply download the desired "addons".

[floundericiousWA]

There gonna give us all 'special soup' to improve our moral :haha:

Replace marcus with the soup nazi?

"NO SOUP FOR YOU!"

[alexradu89]

UBI will award the players with... brace yourselves men... a waterproof bumper sticker that you can apply on your beloved sub. Each captain will receive his/her sticker next time they dock at the home port. It will surely increase your epic awesome coolness level once it's attached to your submarine not to mention it gives a 20% increase in Deck Gun damage, so merchant ships beware! :arrgh!:

[gutted]

:har::har::har::har::har::har:

The cake is a lie!!!

LOL classic.

[Hartmann]

For angry users During the DRM problems .

UBI presents in exclusive.. the new DLC content !!

A periscope for free
A Atom torpedo for 2 $
Dive planes 20 $
diesel engines 40 $
Tower 50 $


AND more pieces of IX boats to come every month !!! :yeah:

Build your perfect sim

[Overboard]

Humm Wounder if this dev team will ever make more SH games?

If it were me i would say NO!

Sad :cry:

[Hartmann]

Dev team for sure that they will, but not under the draconian conditions imposed by ubi, Short delopment time, limited budget , and a nightmare DRM system

[capthelm]

they need to ditch eating frogs legs if they want to survive simple as that.

lockon series did ..

[Drifter]

How about a refund instead, UBI? :shifty:

[capthelm]

draconian
LEADER 2 LEADER1
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[jazman]

So yes, expect:

"New! Type IX upgrade available for only $14.99"
"New! Elite crew package w/ upgraded optics only $9.99"
"New! 6 new Merchant ships w/special FX only $14.99"
"New! Camo pack for type VII and IX only $9.99"



Hey, you got a Type VII for only $50, you ingrate.

:03:

[PurpleCity]

I guess, they will just claim the next patch to be compensatory.


I would totally accept a patch as compensation, I'd almost pay for one at this point.

[JScones]

So, will those of you who were adamant that the blame for the server outages should lay exclusively at the feet of the hackers (at least one has posted in this thread) be saying "no" to the compensation that Ubisoft is offering? Or will you show your hypocrisy by grabbing Ubisoft's bone with outreached hands? Afterall, Ubisoft is not at fault, right? So wouldn't accepting compensation from them mean that you'd be benefiting off the actions of the hackers, that you so much despise? Surely you wouldn't want to do that, would you? :hmmm:

Just sayin'.

[Nordmann]

I really don't see what sort of compensation they could feasibly offer, it almost certainly will not be a refund of any kind. Perhaps Uplay points?

[magic452]

Just thinking here but if the server outage was indeed a hacker attack and you give out some kind of worth while compensation package just think what the next DDoS attack will be.?????

Attack the servers and get free stuff. :up:

Just a though

Magic

[FIREWALL]

`10% off coupon for Prep-H :O:

[Adriatico]

I really don't see what sort of compensation they could feasibly offer, it almost certainly will not be a refund of any kind. Perhaps Uplay points?
Free copy of SH3... so people can play singleplayer simulation.

[Mr_Johnson]

Its gonna really be interesting to see what comes outta all of this :cool:

[Uber Gruber]

A DRM free version of the game perhaps?

:rotfl2:

[Conrad von Kaiser]

Free copy of SH3... so people can play singleplayer simulation.

If it was a copy that would work on my Vista 64bit machine I'd take it in a heartbeat lol

[609_Avatar]

So, will those of you who were adamant that the blame for the server outages should lay exclusively at the feet of the hackers (at least one has posted in this thread) be saying "no" to the compensation that Ubisoft is offering? Or will you show your hypocrisy by grabbing Ubisoft's bone with outreached hands? Afterall, Ubisoft is not at fault, right? So wouldn't accepting compensation from them mean that you'd be benefiting off the actions of the hackers, that you so much despise? Surely you wouldn't want to do that, would you? :hmmm:

Just sayin'.

:haha: Good point! :up:

[Letum]

If it was a copy that would work on my Vista 64bit machine I'd take it in a heartbeat lol

Any copy with out the starforce DRM will work in Vista 64 and win7 64.
That's almost every copy for sale these days.

[java`s revenge]

That means that we have to pay for downloads thereafter? :wah:

[Conrad von Kaiser]

Any copy with out the starforce DRM will work in Vista 64 and win7 64.
That's almost every copy for sale these days.

I've tried every workaround, every tip and bit of info I could find and nothing would let me run SH3 on my machine. One day I plan on trying again but after spending three days of non-stop to try the last time I haven't built up the motivation again lol.

[John Channing]

So, will those of you who were adamant that the blame for the server outages should lay exclusively at the feet of the hackers (at least one has posted in this thread) be saying "no" to the compensation that Ubisoft is offering? Or will you show your hypocrisy by grabbing Ubisoft's bone with outreached hands? Afterall, Ubisoft is not at fault, right? So wouldn't accepting compensation from them mean that you'd be benefiting off the actions of the hackers, that you so much despise? Surely you wouldn't want to do that, would you? :hmmm:

Just sayin'.

Not sure if you are refering to me or not but the answer is two part...

1) (Again, if you are addressing me) I never said that "the blame for the server outages should lay exclusively at the feet of the hackers", so kindly stop putting words in my mouth. In fact if you actually read what I had posted, instead of jumping on the bandwagon, you would see otherwise.

2) It will depend entirely on what it is.

However I do get a chuckle out of the hate-ubisoft-no-matter-what-crowd, because at this point it seems like they could refund everyone's money, remove the DRM and publicly execute the Chairman and this crowd would still moan that it wan't enough.

JCC

[HundertzehnGustav]

Not sure if you are refering to me or not but the answer is two part...

1) (Again, if you are addressing me) blahblahblah



LOL seems JScones calculated his shot pretty well, adressing nobody in particular, but getting soome response...

JSC+1:D

Even the ANNOUNCEMENT means that Ubisoft admits a screw-up.
and that OSP Users are bound for more scheisse of that kind.

LOL@all those that knew what was up, and now suffer despite better knowledge. No sympathy...
:arrgh!:

[drtechno]

However I do get a chuckle out of the hate-ubisoft-no-matter-what-crowd, because at this point it seems like they could refund everyone's money, remove the DRM and publicly execute the Chairman and this crowd would still moan that it wan't enough.

JCC

Oooghaaa.. Ooooghaa.. :ping: fanboy ahead ! Man the torpedo room, dive dive !

Please, don't overexaggerate.

I guarantee that if they removed the DRM to something reasonable and got on with patching the game, most people would shut their mouths.

Its pretty much the majority opinion of users and the press that this DRM is unreasonable. Except for the few fanboys out there, I have yet to read an article on how this is a reasonable DRM solution. :nope:

[janh]

Ubisoft has given us barebones of games in the past that modders turned into something very reasonable. SHIII+GWX is probably more than reasonable, but I don't know about SHIV+OM as I never bought it after the initial release disaster.

So I guess what most people simply here want, is at least nothing less than the previous releases in terms of both quality, and DRM hampering. I'm sure if Ubi announced to removed OSP DRM for single player games and replace it with something less hindering, than people would quickly be rather happy. The bugs in SHV from what I can just are with the exceptions of a few not very serious, and if the proposed high moddabilty is really what devs said it would be, then everything else will come into place if still enough serious modders are interested in SHV at this point (like the GWX team, for one single example out of many I cannot all credit here).

As for the bigger picture, of course a lot of customers are rightfully annoyed by Ubisofts OSP concept that in the end obviously hurt legal customers more than pirates. And for having repeated the "SHIV disaster release" mega-event instead of postponing until really thorough beta testing and content implementation would have been complete -- you get the point. If I had put my money into this game, I'd be a little unhappy too.
From there on, it is just nature of curiousity as to what will happen in the bigger picture. Whether many other customers concur with this view and it will show in the next Ubisoft quarter sales report, and overall sales, or whether actually most of the casual customers won't care. For my part, I see it as an experiment that Ubisoft performed (if you'd consequent on the point: an experiment on the customers), and as a scientist I am naturally curious as to the outcome.

[Exakt]

In a way, I would like to see Ubisoft go the way that Relic (THQ) went with the Dawn of War Series. Basically, loyal and satisfied customers will buy the expansions (most of them are actually stand-alone expansions) to get access to the previous game and expansions units for MP play. Now, with the Steam activation, it makes it a viable option for both the customer and the publisher.

So bottom line is that Relic/THQ/Steam combo is getting you a large player-base, a DRM that ain't as draconian as Ubi's and allow the devs to make the game over a few years better and better. The original Dawn of War is probably one of the longest running engine and has most likely the most expansions released for a RTS game.

[Faamecanic]

How about a key card a manual in COLOR that you can actually READ :hmmm:

[609_Avatar]

However I do get a chuckle out of the hate-ubisoft-no-matter-what-crowd, because at this point it seems like they could refund everyone's money, remove the DRM and publicly execute the Chairman and this crowd would still moan that it wan't enough.

Don't you think you're going just a little bit overboard here? I have had no issue with Ubisoft until now. I've bought many of their titles, have a cougar HOTAS setup from them and have basically given them hundreds if not thousands of my hard earned cash over the years. But now I won't give them a single penny because of the stance they have taken. Cause and effect here, plain and simple. If they got rid of the requirement for always online I'd never post another word about it and be a happy camper and buy SHV as I originally intended. I'd even be happy with the Steam option of playing it offline when I choose to do so. But because I have several friends in the service who cannot play due to their restrictions and because I find it just a bit over the top, to put it quite mildly, I have "ranted" on these boards and elsewhere about it. If you don't complain and not buy it how will they know you're against it?

[John Channing]

Don't you think you're going just a little bit overboard here? I have had no issue with Ubisoft until now. I've bought many of their titles, have a cougar HOTAS setup from them and have basically given them hundreds if not thousands of my hard earned cash over the years. But now I won't give them a single penny because of the stance they have taken. Cause and effect here, plain and simple. If they got rid of the requirement for always online I'd never post another word about it and be a happy camper and buy SHV as I originally intended. I'd even be happy with the Steam option of playing it offline when I choose to do so. But because I have several friends in the service who cannot play due to their restrictions and because I find it just a bit over the top, to put it quite mildly, I have "ranted" on these boards and elsewhere about it. If you don't complain and not buy it how will they know you're against it?

I was using hyperbole as a device to point out how ridiculous things have become. Some examples...


Can we rename this thread "We have beat him into submission and he no longer defends [this idiotic] DRM



You mean make fun OF the game, right? Or do you really mean have fun playing the game? Because the latter statement must mean that you really have your head buried in the ground …"



I didn't quite realize how unbelievable Ubisoft actually is




I just can't believe the ridiculous posts that I keep seeing


It seems that one side of this discussion has reserved the use of it for their own arguements. I, not surprisingly, disagree.

As to your point about making a choice, that is absolutely correct. You made your choice. Other people made theirs. You have your opinions, other people have theirs. The difference is that when the (small "p") pro side makes any comment that does not fall into the Anti-Ubisoft mindset they are replied to as follows...


oooghhaa.. oooghhaa.. Dive ! Dive ! Fanboy spotted !



Oooghaaa.. Ooooghaa.. :ping: fanboy ahead ! Man the torpedo room, dive dive !



I'm guessing you are over 50 and know very little about computers and the internet.



These type of personal attacks were rarely (I did not say never) a part of the the Subsim.com community until recently. Now they have become the norm. We seem to have a lot of new people here who don't know how to, or are incapable of, carrying on a civil discussion. Neal seems to want to allow this for the time being... so be it. But that doesn't mean that people who disagree with the anti-Ubisoft posts have to hide away and let the ranters run wild, does it? Or are they the only ones now allowed to express their opinions?

Anyhoo, back to SH 5.


I have a lovely, big Cimmaron Tanker in my sites that I have been saving for a special occasion.



JCC

[Dimitrius07]

Free content? That's a bit odd, does that mean there is/was/ or will be paid content?:hmmm:

"1944 campaign-----$10"
"U-Flack-------------$5"
"New uniforms-------$5"
"New airplanes-----Free because of what happened last week"

Its a popular tactic in game industry today, so i personally won`t be surprised ;)

[Will-Rommel]

I was using hyperbole as a device to point out how ridiculous things have become. Some examples...










It seems that one side of this discussion has reserved the use of it for their own arguements. I, not surprisingly, disagree.

As to your point about making a choice, that is absolutely correct. You made your choice. Other people made theirs. You have your opinions, other people have theirs. The difference is that when the (small "p") pro side makes any comment that does not fall into the Anti-Ubisoft mindset they are replied to as follows...








These type of personal attacks were rarely (I did not say never) a part of the the Subsim.com community until recently. Now they have become the norm. We seem to have a lot of new people here who don't know how to, or are incapable of, carrying on a civil discussion. Neal seems to want to allow this for the time being... so be it. But that doesn't mean that people who disagree with the anti-Ubisoft posts have to hide away and let the ranters run wild, does it? Or are they the only ones now allowed to express their opinions?

Anyhoo, back to SH 5.


I have a lovely, big Cimmaron Tanker in my sites that I have been saving for a special occasion.



JCC




100% With you on your reaction toward the emerging behaviors here. Stated it many times before in the past: Subsim.com always amazed me by the respect and quality of conversation to be found around. Right now it looks like reading gamereplay.org or something... :down:

[robbo180265]

I was using hyperbole as a device to point out how ridiculous things have become. Some examples...










It seems that one side of this discussion has reserved the use of it for their own arguements. I, not surprisingly, disagree.

As to your point about making a choice, that is absolutely correct. You made your choice. Other people made theirs. You have your opinions, other people have theirs. The difference is that when the (small "p") pro side makes any comment that does not fall into the Anti-Ubisoft mindset they are replied to as follows...








These type of personal attacks were rarely (I did not say never) a part of the the Subsim.com community until recently. Now they have become the norm. We seem to have a lot of new people here who don't know how to, or are incapable of, carrying on a civil discussion. Neal seems to want to allow this for the time being... so be it. But that doesn't mean that people who disagree with the anti-Ubisoft posts have to hide away and let the ranters run wild, does it? Or are they the only ones now allowed to express their opinions?

Anyhoo, back to SH 5.


I have a lovely, big Cimmaron Tanker in my sites that I have been saving for a special occasion.



JCC




I'm actually anti DRM and have said so in another thread. Also not happy about the state of the game released. I do however own a copy and am enjoying playing it (with a few mods)

I just thought I'd weigh in and say that I agree with you John, I remember the uproar when SHIV was released , but I'm pretty sure it never got to the extent we see now. When you get personal with a discussion , well you've lost the argument really.

[Nordmann]

I've tried every workaround, every tip and bit of info I could find and nothing would let me run SH3 on my machine. One day I plan on trying again but after spending three days of non-stop to try the last time I haven't built up the motivation again lol.

I had the same problem with my copy of SH3. There is however a solution, most of the copies released after the original (value range) do not include StarForce, and are compatible with Vista 64. As such, I purchased one of the value range copies here (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0035ER6F0/ref=oss_product), which came patched to 1.4, and without aforementioned copy protection.

I only spent about £3 tops, and the game works perfectly, aside from the resolution issues (stretched 2D screens).

[Jimbuna]

Great post JC http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[609_Avatar]

I was using hyperbole as a device to point out how ridiculous things have become. Some examples...

It seems that one side of this discussion has reserved the use of it for their own arguements. I, not surprisingly, disagree.

As to your point about making a choice, that is absolutely correct. You made your choice. Other people made theirs. You have your opinions, other people have theirs. The difference is that when the (small "p") pro side makes any comment that does not fall into the Anti-Ubisoft mindset they are replied to as follows...

These type of personal attacks were rarely (I did not say never) a part of the the Subsim.com community until recently. Now they have become the norm. We seem to have a lot of new people here who don't know how to, or are incapable of, carrying on a civil discussion. Neal seems to want to allow this for the time being... so be it. But that doesn't mean that people who disagree with the anti-Ubisoft posts have to hide away and let the ranters run wild, does it? Or are they the only ones now allowed to express their opinions?

I agree, I don't remember this level of behavior with the last two releases since I've been on board the past 5 years, but unfortunately it isn't just one sided. I've seen the same kind of behavior from those that have bought it that are "fed up" with hearing opinions that don't align with theirs. Strong emotions are being thrown out and with the same frequency/spamming on both sides, imho. Most probably don't feel that they're doing it, I know I don't but am sure others may feel that I have for all I know, but there's never a reason to include a personal attack in expressing your opinion. But some here get roped into doing the old tit for tat and would claim "they didn't start it", etc.... while engaging in the same sort of behavior. It's tiring for both sides. As for Neal allowing this for the time being, maybe he's hoping it will just naturally die down of its own accord and if not then he'll pull out his big stick in order to keep those that need to be kept in line. I'm happy to read about what people like about this game, helps me form my own opinion about what I may or may not like about it, hopefully some day I'll be able to find out for myself whether it's actually true regarding those opinions. Guess we all need to thicken our hulls and resist the urge to respond to the more "petty" types of posts.

Anyhoo, back to SH 5.


I have a lovely, big Cimmaron Tanker in my sites that I have been saving for a special occasion.Have fun! I'm going back to my SHIV and OM for the same kind of enjoyment. ;)

[B_O_L_T]

Free content? That's a bit odd, does that mean there is/was/ or will be paid content?:hmmm:

"1944 campaign-----$10"
"U-Flack-------------$5"
"New uniforms-------$5"
"New airplanes-----Free because of what happened last week"

Additional content obtained through the uplay service has been intended from the start, one of the reasons only the type VII's are available to play atm, and one of the reasons for the drm's inclusion to restrict access to that content. Several dev blogs and interviews outlined their intention to offer additional dlc post launch.
DLC are here to stay, expect more and more titles to be released content lite, with additional packs available at extra cost, filling out what should really have been included at the outset.

[NefariousKoel]

These type of personal attacks were rarely (I did not say never) a part of the the Subsim.com community until recently. Now they have become the norm.



JCC




The only reason the discussions are getting heated is Ubi's customer-raping DRM. Oddly.. a few, such as yourself, still manage to defend Ubi and their DRM.

Which is just wonderful until you feel the need to complain about other people's opposite opinion here. Don't be surprised if many heatedly disagree with your support of such a system when you openly take a side against them.

I would happily tell anyone having issues to use "other means" to use the game they bought. And it's Ubi's fault.

[Nisgeis]

The only reason the discussions are getting heated is Ubi's customer-raping DRM. Oddly.. a few, such as yourself, still manage to defend Ubi and their DRM.

Which is just wonderful until you feel the need to complain about other people's opposite opinion here. Don't be surprised if many heatedly disagree with your support of such a system when you openly take a side against them.

I don't know if you quoted the wrong thing or something, but the part you did quote was just commenting that personal attacks were becoming the norm. I didn't see anything in the quoted part about supporting Ubisoft or their DRM system.

I would happily tell anyone having issues to use "other means" to use the game they bought. And it's Ubi's fault.

I had problems connecting earlier. Could you please tell me how to use "other means" to use the game?

[Méo]

I don't know if you quoted the wrong thing or something, but the part you did quote was just commenting that personal attacks were becoming the norm. I didn't see anything in the quoted part about supporting Ubisoft or their DRM system.

+1

Just because some of us don't share the same level of outrage about it, they assume we support it, like if there was no difference between tolerance and support.

Anyway, it's useless to discuss about it.

[John Channing]

The only reason the discussions are getting heated is Ubi's customer-raping DRM. Oddly.. a few, such as yourself, still manage to defend Ubi and their DRM.

Which is just wonderful until you feel the need to complain about other people's opposite opinion here. Don't be surprised if many heatedly disagree with your support of such a system when you openly take a side against them.

I would happily tell anyone having issues to use "other means" to use the game they bought. And it's Ubi's fault.

No the reason that the discussions are getting heated is that people think they can just come here and ignore the rules. And if you are wondering what I am talking about re-read your last sentence.

I have never taken a pro-Ubisoft or Pro-DRM stance (except once in jest). It is people like you that take what I and others say and twist it all out of recognition to further your vendetta.

JCC

[mookiemookie]

These type of personal attacks were rarely (I did not say never) a part of the the Subsim.com community until recently. Now they have become the norm. We seem to have a lot of new people here who don't know how to, or are incapable of, carrying on a civil discussion. Neal seems to want to allow this for the time being... so be it.]

I too wish that they would crack down on this a bit. But the problem is that the people guilty of it are so fired up, that they take any criticism of their methods as a defense of the DRM situation.

But I too agree that the name calling and general sh*theadedness is getting out of hand.

[Easy Tiger]

They shouldn't be even considering paid-for DLC at this point, I mean FOR GAWD SAKE fix this shonky game first!

[chaparral02]

How about a key card a manual in COLOR that you can actually READ :hmmm::hmmm:

I also want a paper map :cry:



(Am sure i remember a map came with my SH4)

[jwilliams]

:hmmm:

I also want a paper map :cry:



(Am sure i remember a map came with my SH4)

I got a map, its in colour too. :O: in my colectors ed. and a paper manual, but only the cover is in colour. :cry:

[NefariousKoel]

No the reason that the discussions are getting heated is that people think they can just come here and ignore the rules. And if you are wondering what I am talking about re-read your last sentence.

My last sentence says I support anyone trying to get the game they paid for to work by any means. Did I give them means to or tell them how? Or should I be banned for giving my opinion that they should be able to use what they own?

I have never taken a pro-Ubisoft or Pro-DRM stance (except once in jest). It is people like you that take what I and others say and twist it all out of recognition to further your vendetta.

JCC

Mocking the people who cannot play the game they own, and who are rightly angry about that situation, seems to be okay:

However I do get a chuckle out of the hate-ubisoft-no-matter-what-crowd, because at this point it seems like they could refund everyone's money, remove the DRM and publicly execute the Chairman and this crowd would still moan that it wan't enough.

Don't wonder why discussions are less tame than they used to be around here when adding fuel to the fire.