Should I buy SH5 or stick with SH4 for now?

[jdupree]

I am having fun learning SH4 and have not got too far into it yet. I have been reading alot of negative comments about SH5. My main concern is will my computer handle it? I read the system requirements for SH5 and mine should handle it. Here is some basic info on my machine. Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.

Pentium 4 @3.6ghz
2 gigs of ram - (will be upgrading to 4 gigs soon)
Nvidia 9800 gt with 512 ram
Windows XP

SH4 runs great on my machine. Thanks!

[TDK1044]

Is your processor dual core? You will need a dual core processor to run Silent Hunter 5.

My answer would be to give Silent Hunter 5 at least 6 months to settle down before you purchase it. :)

[ParaB]

Your single-core CPU might be a problem with SH5, memory and gfx card are OK. As a rule of thumb I'd say if you can run SH4 maxed out with good FPS then SH5 will most probably be playable on your system, too.

SH5 has two main problems right now:

1.) the online DRM system that has in the past couple of days repeatedly made it impossible for customers to actually play the game because the UBI servers encountered technical problems and you have to be connected to those servers all the time, even for singleplayer mode.

2.) the unfinished state of SH5 that involves a rather large number of minor and major bugs and missing/unfinished features.

On the plus side: with the help of a fast-growing number of mods already released SH5 can actually be quite a lot of fun.

It basically depends on how much you're interested in the atlantic theater and how willing you are to put up with the DRM and SH5's state.

[EAF274 Johan]

The longer I play SH5, the more things I find that are broken. Some of them are minor, some are real show stoppers (at this moment I cannot progress my campaign because there are no missions to select). Now I am hopeful that many of these issues can be resolved by modding (personally, I am not counting on a comprehensive official patch)... but that will take a while.

So I'd say: save yourself the frustration and stick to SH4 for now. Get the U-boat addon if you haven't already, and maybe some of the great mods. And start saving for a pc upgrade. In a few months SH5 will hopefully be restored to a better state, then you can think of it again :)

[141st_Alper]

If you really want to try SH5, buy it. Take a look and shelve sh5 for a while if you bored of bugs or drm. After some months you can play it again when bugs will be fixed. Or dont buy it and wait for reducing prices of game. After some months you can buy the game with more low prices than this i think so, and reduced bugs of course. Up to you!

[java`s revenge]

I have only played sh3 + gwx + mods. I didn`t like shiv.

Shv has a better atmosphere than shiv.

I think that shv will be the ultimate uboat simulator when
the game will be fully patched and modded.

[Rockin Robbins]

If you spend money for SH5 you are telling Ubi:

Go ahead and deny members of the military the ability to play your game, which you falsely claim honors those who served. They on their ships, in their tents with their laptops can't play SH5. Let them play Pong. They deserve no better.

Go ahead and require all the owners of laptops with metered Internet connections that they must unnecessarily pay additional charges to play Silent Hunter 5. They need to just get over it and work a second job. Either that or play Dig Dug. They deserve no better.

Go ahead and take away others' fair use rights for copyrighted material. With any other similar property, books, recorded music, video, you have the right to resell, lend, give away your copy when you are done with it. But you're never going to want to do that so screw them! They aren't important anyway. Let them play checkers if they can't afford a real game.

Can a game be so "cool" that it doesn't matter if you actually pay money to be battered about the head with a spiked 2x4? Or would you actually pay money so your friends would be bashed with the thing?

I'm afraid this interesting little social experiment shows that people have no regard whatever to the societal damage they cause by making irresponsible and reprehensible economic decisions. I'm afraid the results show that Ubi is right. We are quite willing to pay to be abused. At least we are willing to subsidize the cost of abusing our friends and family. What a sad state of affairs.

The fact is that when you buy SH5 you are paying to promote the destruction of my rights. As such you become just as slimy as Ubi. I, for one, refuse to pay to destroy your rights. Silent Hunter 5 will see my computer only after it is thoroughly defanged. I urge everyone to refuse to buy this trojan horse. You should also refuse to steal and play it.

Sometimes a company is so evil it deserves to die. Ubi qualifies.:down:

[KG_Jag]

SH4 Gold is in the closeout bin and works.

SH5 has toxic DRM, is full of bugs, incomplete and at full price.

Seems like an easy choice to me.

[maerean_m]

I am having fun learning SH4 and have not got too far into it yet. I have been reading alot of negative comments about SH5. My main concern is will my computer handle it? I read the system requirements for SH5 and mine should handle it. Here is some basic info on my machine. Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.

Pentium 4 @3.6ghz
2 gigs of ram - (will be upgrading to 4 gigs soon)
Nvidia 9800 gt with 512 ram
Windows XP

SH4 runs great on my machine. Thanks!
I'm running it on an Athlon XP 3200+, 2gb of RAM, ATi 3850 512 mb, WinXP and it runs very nice with everything on in a 1280 resolution.

I think it will work very nice on your PC if you don't use a bigger resolution or Antialiasing.

[peteuplink]

From what I've seen of SHV it's a typical Ubisoft simulation. Get some cheaply paid Eastern European programmers to put it together, make a lot of promises, some pretty screen shots, but don't give the developers enough time to properly bug test it/get everything finished.

It gets released and it's full of bugs, so they say a patch is coming. Then another patch comes along that fixes a little bit more. Then about 12 months down the line everything goes quiet and all you hear is he developers saying "well the PC that can play it properly hasn't been created yet" (which translates as "The publisher wanted it out on the shelves making money)

On top of that you've got the DRM.

Oh for the days of Microprose!

I'm definately waiting 8 months before I even look at the case let alone buy the game

[arkham1010]

The longer I play SH5, the more things I find that are broken. Some of them are minor, some are real show stoppers (at this moment I cannot progress my campaign because there are no missions to select).


Wait, what? Missions? I thought the game was a dynamic campaign like SH3/SH4. How much replay will there be if there are scripted missions?

[EAF274 Johan]

Wait, what? Missions? I thought the game was a dynamic campaign like SH3/SH4. How much replay will there be if there are scripted missions?
Don't panic, it is a dynamic campaign. But it is divided into phases, and in each phase there are a number of "macro missions", for example: "Destroy British coastal shipping". The actual patrol areas that are assigned to you depend on the "macro mission" that you choose.

[V.C. Sniper]

dont buy this crap

[OakGroove]

I am having fun learning SH4 and have not got too far into it yet. I have been reading alot of negative comments about SH5. My main concern is will my computer handle it?

Your specs are sufficent, it'll probably run somewhat less impressive than SH4.
Anything else depends on your preferences, i.e. Simulation- or action gamer. Mind you, i´m not judging SH5 for what it could be ⇒ after some extraordinary effort by the Developers and remaining modders, but what it is.
Ask yourself if you're willing to participate in a betatest for a small fee of 50$, support destruction of 2nd hand markets, and give up some of your privacy to a trustworthy company - for a greater goal of giving the industry more negotiation power over you and me. :yeah:

[jdupree]

Is your processor dual core? You will need a dual core processor to run Silent Hunter 5.

My answer would be to give Silent Hunter 5 at least 6 months to settle down before you purchase it. :)

I guess my processor is a dual core? Not quite sure how to check but I ran a dxdiag and out beside the processor info it had (2 cpu's)??

[Phantom Mark]

I am really regretting having picked up a copy from the shops......

I am finding it a constant frustration with this game, SH4 and the way it worked was much more my cup of tea, especially with some of the excellent mods out there.

Will shelve my copy and wait a year or so and see if it becomes worth playing in the future.

Quite gutted, I should have trusted my instincts on this one, dont even get me started on the DRM :cry: :damn:

[subsimlee]

Got my refund from GameStop yesterday. I think SH5 could be a great sim in the future after 47 patches and 683 mods or so.... Seriously I returned it because even after I had paid for it, Ubisoft wouldn't let me play it most of the time, especially Saturdays, Sundays and yesterday. That should be a deal breaker but most seem to be hanging in living in hopes of better days.:)

[Phantom Mark]

Got me wondering if there is any possible way I could justify a refund at the store I got mine from now.....I don't see how I could present reasonable justification tho ??

Anybody else managed a refund from "GAME" in the UK ??

[Bilge_Rat]

If you spend money for SH5 you are telling Ubi:

Go ahead and deny members of the military the ability to play your game, which you falsely claim honors those who served. They on their ships, in their tents with their laptops can't play SH5. Let them play Pong. They deserve no better.

Go ahead and require all the owners of laptops with metered Internet connections that they must unnecessarily pay additional charges to play Silent Hunter 5. They need to just get over it and work a second job. Either that or play Dig Dug. They deserve no better.

Go ahead and take away others' fair use rights for copyrighted material. With any other similar property, books, recorded music, video, you have the right to resell, lend, give away your copy when you are done with it. But you're never going to want to do that so screw them! They aren't important anyway. Let them play checkers if they can't afford a real game.

Can a game be so "cool" that it doesn't matter if you actually pay money to be battered about the head with a spiked 2x4? Or would you actually pay money so your friends would be bashed with the thing?

I'm afraid this interesting little social experiment shows that people have no regard whatever to the societal damage they cause by making irresponsible and reprehensible economic decisions. I'm afraid the results show that Ubi is right. We are quite willing to pay to be abused. At least we are willing to subsidize the cost of abusing our friends and family. What a sad state of affairs.

The fact is that when you buy SH5 you are paying to promote the destruction of my rights. As such you become just as slimy as Ubi. I, for one, refuse to pay to destroy your rights. Silent Hunter 5 will see my computer only after it is thoroughly defanged. I urge everyone to refuse to buy this trojan horse. You should also refuse to steal and play it.

Sometimes a company is so evil it deserves to die. Ubi qualifies.:down:


give me a break, RR, we are talking about a $50 video game. Well, I guess I will burn in hell then!

:ahoy:

[thyro]

I personally don't buy games that either don't work when I want to play, is incomplete and worst... surrender my rights as customer so that my data and a game (product) that I purchase only can be played when someone decides.

So its really up to you to blindly surrender your rights and get into the dark side of the matter. But please don't come here posting my SH5 ****y doesn't work, has bugged or incomplete.

Buy a half game that you cannot control when you want to play is not our fault but the only to blame is you. Cheers

SH5 will be good in 5 years time if it will get finished and if online DRM rubish is dropped or hacked beyond believe.

Buy Sh2, SH3 or even SH4 and you will be better served with a proper game.

[msxyz]

Stick to Sh4 and enjoy its mods.

SH5 graphics are marginally better but they come at the cost of increased hardware requirements. Considering what it's effectively put onscreen I'd say the 3D engine of SH5 is poorly optimized.

The novelty or running back and forth in a 3D environment wears out pretty soon, particulary because there's only one sub modelled. I'm not even sure they modelled correctly the differences between revision A-B-C. They look all the same to me (except the missing stern tube in type VIIA).

It's really just some eyecandy thrown with no real purpose. You cannot turn the various knobs and handles by yourself. Most dials are static.

The crew is composed of puppets staying in the same spot all the time and repeating the same animations over and over.

The interface is a huge step back from SH4 and SH3.

Crew management is a joke

The bugs in this software are as numerous as ants feasting over a decoposing carrion.

Last, there's the wonderful DRM scheme which is entirely dependant on staying connected to a remote server all the time.

[Phantom Mark]

Re-Installing SH4 as we speak, say no more :yeah:

[Gilbou]

Reinstall SH4 and/or SH3 for now.

You do know how SH3 and SH4 were when they did came out.

You have to wait monthes if not one year minimum before you even
consider trying it...

And I seriously suggest not buying it until the DRM and onlne requirement
is removed.

[subsimlee]

Got me wondering if there is any possible way I could justify a refund at the store I got mine from now.....I don't see how I could present reasonable justification tho ??

Anybody else managed a refund from "GAME" in the UK ??


It's easy to justify return based on the fact you can't play it a lot of the time on the weekend as has been the case the last couple. Couldn't play yesterday afternoon either for a while. It's akin to having a defective dvd ! Besides which, all retailers are painfully aware of the DRM mess and are NOT in favor of it. They see it as a step towards "Pay to Play Online " which cuts out the need for retailers like themselves. The worst they'll do is offer an in store credit. In my case I got a full refund. This was from a large North American chain who is bombarding Ubi with complaints from what they told me....

[Pappy55]

Oh for the days of Microprose!

Frak me I miss them days on the Amiga and early PC (DOS/WIN 95) days.
Used to love it when I was 8 sitting with my Dad playing Silent Service II. The game soley responsable for me getting into sub sims.

[quietguy52]

Your single-core CPU might be a problem with SH5, memory and gfx card are OK. As a rule of thumb I'd say if you can run SH4 maxed out with good FPS then SH5 will most probably be playable on your system, too.

SH5 has two main problems right now:

1.) the online DRM system that has in the past couple of days repeatedly made it impossible for customers to actually play the game because the UBI servers encountered technical problems and you have to be connected to those servers all the time, even for singleplayer mode.

2.) the unfinished state of SH5 that involves a rather large number of minor and major bugs and missing/unfinished features.

On the plus side: with the help of a fast-growing number of mods already released SH5 can actually be quite a lot of fun.

It basically depends on how much you're interested in the atlantic theater and how willing you are to put up with the DRM and SH5's state.


Nicely written reply... clear and to the point.

After all the buildup to SHV it's pretty obvious the game's flopped right outta the box. Seeing companies struggling to survive the global recession by greatly improving their product quality, one would think UBI would be of the same mindset...

Seems instead they're sitting on their laurels... relying on the customer base to tolerate a shoddy product. Double hit when the end users are forced to mod/correct playability issues.

Y'all better wake up over there, UBI... :o

[Faamecanic]

The novelty or running back and forth in a 3D environment wears out pretty soon, particulary because there's only one sub modelled. I'm not even sure they modelled correctly the differences between revision A-B-C. They look all the same to me (except the missing stern tube in type VIIA).


Its not missing the rear tube.... the rear tube in the Type VIIA was EXTERNAL with one torpedo only (no reload).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Type_VII_submarine

[msxyz]

Reinstall SH4 and/or SH3 for now.

You do know how SH3 and SH4 were when they did came out.

You have to wait monthes if not one year minimum before you even
consider trying it...
SH3 wasn't in such poor state. I was a day 1 customer and, despite some flaws, it was truly enjoyable from the start. No serious or game breaking bugs and the campaign was fun. The interface was actually good (the best so far imho) and progressing through the various types of subs was fun.

I didn't buy SH4 untill the addon came out (I wasn't interested in US boats) and it seems I did the right thing. It wasn't until the add on and patch 1.5 that things got resolved.

SH5 is a real mess, it almost seem they didn't bother to beta test it. And even if it were perfect, it still lacks a lot of content in comparison to SH3. The idea of concetrating only on one sub seems a convenient excuse for budget cuts and schedule problems.

SH5 has less ship variety than its predecessors, only one uboat and the campaign ends in 1943.

Considering the quality of mods such as GWX or OM, there's no excuse to buy a much inferior product unless some people were curious to see how the diesel room of a type VII uboot looks.

[msxyz]

Its not missing the rear tube.... the rear tube in the Type VIIA was EXTERNAL with one torpedo only (no reload).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Type_VII_submarine

I know, I meant to say that the launch tube was not visible from the inside.

The stern room is the only clear difference. It seems to be Ubisoft just modelled the interior after the only surviving uboat (a type C/41), the U995. But that is a late war boat.

Type A, B interiors were quite different in terms of machinery installed. There's a good deal of photos and books on the subjet. Even if it means little from the game point of view, at least it would have been one aspect done right.

[Safe-Keeper]

To the OP: it depends on how tolerant you are of bugs.

If they don't mean much to you and you're willing to spend some time in the Mods Workshop finding mini-mods that fix most of the issues, go for it. It's a highly enjoyable game, and the mods fix much of the issues and make it slightly less arcadeish.

If it's very important for you that your product works right out of the box, wait for up to three months. We'll probably have at least one more patch and several mod packages by then.

Wait, what? Missions? I thought the game was a dynamic campaign like SH3/SH4. How much replay will there be if there are scripted missions? More about the campaign here (http://174.123.69.202/%7Esubsimc/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1305820&postcount=2):up:.

[Gilbou]

SH3 wasn't in such poor state. I was a day 1 customer and, despite some flaws, it was truly enjoyable from the start. No serious or game breaking bugs and the campaign was fun. The interface was actually good (the best so far imho) and progressing through the various types of subs was fun.

I didn't buy SH4 untill the addon came out (I wasn't interested in US boats) and it seems I did the right thing. It wasn't until the add on and patch 1.5 that things got resolved.

SH5 is a real mess, it almost seem they didn't bother to beta test it. And even if it were perfect, it still lacks a lot of content in comparison to SH3. The idea of concetrating only on one sub seems a convenient excuse for budget cuts and schedule problems.

SH5 has less ship variety than its predecessors, only one uboat and the campaign ends in 1943.

Considering the quality of mods such as GWX or OM, there's no excuse to buy a much inferior product unless some people were curious to see how the diesel room of a type VII uboot looks.

Going from SH2 to SH3 had been really nice.
I liked SH2. I didn't knew about Subsim at that time.
I bought SH3 without really reading reviews, and I discovered
the 3D interiors of the sub and spent.. more time doing screenshots
and sending them to friends than play the game :rotfl2:

When SH4 came out I tried it. Liked the better graphics, the change
of scenery. Thought those US boats were big (when you start
in a type II and then move to a type VII, any US sub looks huge!)

Those days, I use SH3 for Uboats, and SH4 to play the US side.
I like to play US subs too :)

I did not buy SH5 (I took the 50 euro and put them on the website
here rather than buy the game...) and unless the DRM is removed,
and the online requirement too, SHV might very well be the last
Silent Hunter I will ever buy.

[jazman]

I guess my processor is a dual core? Not quite sure how to check but I ran a dxdiag and out beside the processor info it had (2 cpu's)??

Probably not real dual core. What you are probably seeing is hyperthreading, which is fake dual core.

Run System Information (XP: start -> Programs -> Accessories -> Sytem Tools -> System Information) and provide the Processor information, that includes Family, Model, Stepping.

Or go here and get CPU-Z:

http://www.cpuid.com

Direct link to installer:

http://www.cpuid.com/download/cpuz/cpuz_153_setup.exe

and run it and post a screenshot of the first page (of the application, of course, not of the install process).

[Hartmann]

stay with SH4 and SH3 GWX

Both gives you an impressive historical review of all years of the submarine war in both theathers of war , and are nearly bug free and tested.

In the other side you can try SHV , that have more bugs that the outpost valley of starship troopers movie, a draconian DRM that makes you unable to play at weekends and demands a lot of patience because of the absurd gameplay involved with arcade an unreal features..

The best is wait until it will be fully patched, modded, and the price goes down. and perhaps DRM removed

[Drifter]

I think SH5 could be a great sim in the future after 47 patches and 683 mods or so

lmao :har:

[jason210]

I'm sticking with SH4. I reinstalled it recently and added RFB 2.0 and I started creating missions and exploring all sorts of new things.

Manual Targeting in SH4 is not so easy, but it's a great simulator, with excellent graphics and with the free camera you can actually walk around parts of the sub.

To my mind SHIII was the best simulator in terms of functionality and design, and setting. But it's a bit weak on the graphics by today's standards.

[alexradu89]

Same here, waiting for SH5 to get tons of patches (because it really needs them) and mods, until then it's SH4 + RSRD + OM + OMEU = :arrgh!:

[Nordmann]

I am having fun learning SH4 and have not got too far into it yet. I have been reading alot of negative comments about SH5. My main concern is will my computer handle it? I read the system requirements for SH5 and mine should handle it. Here is some basic info on my machine. Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.

Pentium 4 @3.6ghz
2 gigs of ram - (will be upgrading to 4 gigs soon)
Nvidia 9800 gt with 512 ram
Windows XP

SH4 runs great on my machine. Thanks!

Stick with SH4, SH5 just isn't worth the current price tag. To say little of the ridiculous net requirement (which by the way is a real headache when the servers are down, frequently!), and the numerous rough edges.

Save yourself the hassle, and wait.

[McHibbins]

Bought the Gold Edition for 10 Euros today.

Sick off this damned Serverproblems i decided to give SH4 another chance.
(sold it nearly 2years ago ´cause the us campaign was boring me).

All i wanna know is, which mods are best for which campaign ?

RSRDC+OM+OMEGU for the german and FOTRS for the US ? Or are they compatible ? Any suggestions are welcome. :salute:

[MattDizzle]

Thats what i used. Also whats wrong with the american subs? More torpedos, air conditioning, surface search radar in 1941. They are the cadillacs of the sea :) Oh yea and you might not die if you serve in one.

They cant dive anything like as deep but you dont need to, japanese ASW is crap!

[IanC]

Thats what i used. Also whats wrong with the american subs? More torpedos, air conditioning, surface search radar in 1941. They are the cadillacs of the sea :) Oh yea and you might not die if you serve in one.

They cant dive anything like as deep but you dont need to, japanese ASW is crap!

I can't believe you forgot the ice cream machine! :nope:

[Bilge_Rat]

SH4 1.5 with RFB and RSRDC is now a great sub simulation. :yep:


http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/5411/controlroom0001.jpg

as for SH5, well...

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7326/bridge0001.jpg


It may eventually be a great sub simulation, but needs a lot of work and TLC to reach its full potential. Out of the box, it is as buggy and messy as SH3 and SH4 were when they came out.

It really depends what you are looking for.

[McHibbins]

I can't believe you forgot the ice cream machine! :nope:

That was one of the most important reason mate !

It simply produced Soft-Ice, not the beloved Italian Icecream :03:

Ah...btw....the beer is also much better on german subs :O:

[Nordmann]

All i wanna know is, which mods are best for which campaign ?

I'm currently using TMO, and loving it. I suggest you give it a try, though to be honest, there's so many good ones to choose from!

[Ark]

My quick breakdown:

SHIV:

1. Cheap (about $19 USD at the moment)
2. Works.
3. Tons of mods.
4. No DRM issues.

SHV:

1. $50
2. Has quite a few bugs.
3. Has hardly any mods.
4. Has DRM issues (unless you are a hacker/pirate.....it works fine for them. lol)


I REALLY wanted to like SHV but it is just not up to par at the moment. The product is so reminiscent of a beta test (and I hate that phrase when being applied to full retail games) that is just makes me shake my head.

Here are a few issues I noticed after playing the firstfew times:

1. Once in a while, my sound cuts out after I go to the options screen and then jump back in-game.

2. Sometimes my mouse cursor gets stuck in a "free-look mode" (right-clicking the mouse so you can look around freely) and can only be unlocked by opening another menu screen.

3. The "Missions" are somewhat dumb, IMO. "Sink 50 tonnes of merchant shipping along the coast by June 1st. 1940" (or something to that effect). Seriously...what happened to just paroling an area and not finding anything, requiring you to search elsewhere or just return home due to a lack of fuel? I sank 50 tonnes of merchant shipping. Can I RTB and end the patrol? Nope. Why? I don't know....maybe the ships weren't close enough to the coast. It sort of feels like I have to keep playing a level so my score gets high enough to go to level two.

4. The RPG elements are a little wierd. For instance, I need to "upgrade" my chief so my sub goes faster. I have to upgrade my Torpedo officer so his crew will load torpedos and work at "superhuman speeds" (that's a direct quote from the game, btw). I had to upgrade my Cook so he could make special meals so I can increase morale. I have to upgrade my Radar Operator so he can tracks objects better at night. While I see what they were trying to do with the RPG elements, it sort of comes across as a bunch of "fluff" arbitrarily tossed in so there was more content.

5. My watch crew has no binoculars and yet the subsim preview here shows people on the sub using them (at least I think it was here that I saw the screenshots).

6. I can't order a dive to periscope depth until I go down the hatch.

7. I can't get my deck gun crew to leave the deck gun.

8. The people I am talking too repeat the same things, and they hardly look in my direction when speaking.

9. My settings won't save, so basically despite the fact that I shut off the health bars, gun trajectory path, stabilize view, unlimited fuel, unlimited compressed air, etc.. options they are all still enabled once I load the game. "So shut them off after you enter the sub." Sorry, you can't.

10. "It's raining and there are hardly any clouds, Sir."

11. SHV shadows and shadows alone kill performance on Nvidia cards.

12. Some destroyers are half-submerged (the entire rear deck) while they are moving around.

13. Depth under keel? Might be good to know.........ON A SUBMARINE.

14. DRM - You must be online to play. Period. If the UBI servers go down, you can't play....even if you only play single-player. You are not buying the game, you are essentially "renting" the license. If Ubisoft decided to shut down SHV's servers...you would not be able to play any longer unless they removed the DRM scheme.

Those are a few issues I noticed almost right away after playing for a short period of time.

It's up to you, but I would probably stick with SHIV for the time being. Of course, SHIV models a different aspect of WWII anyways so it's not like you can't enjoy both....the only question is are you able to enjoy SHV in it's current state, and the only person who can answer that is you.

Hope this helps.