SH5 is a JOKE!

[SSN*593]

You know this is a piss poor game when you need a MOD to fix it; what happened to my CONTROLS, UBI? SH5 looks and feels like a damn kiddy console game on my PC with 4 options; A, B, C, or D. SH5 is an absolute failure and I am/will be getting my CASH back for this massive mistake. It reminds me of what happened to Far Cry; UBI and DEV team butchered it and turned it into console crap. Add this dumb DRM to SH5 and it's a pure failure--how in the world could Neal Stevens NOT see this in his PREVIEW? Somebody, please tell me? How could the "so called expert" of submarine simulation not see that SH5 is a total abortion and software derailment of what was/should be expected in the NEXT installment of this great title :damn:

[SeamanStaines]

so ui and drm aside, you like it ? :)

[Factor]

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[Skyraptor]

This person can have there opinion just like everyone else.

[jerm138]

You know this is a piss poor game when you need a MOD to fix it; what happened to my CONTROLS, UBI? SH5 looks and feels like a damn kiddy console game on my PC with 4 options; A, B, C, or D. SH5 is an absolute failure and I am/will be getting my CASH back for this massive mistake. It reminds me of what happened to Far Cry; UBI and DEV team butchered it and turned it into console crap. Add this dumb DRM to SH5 and it's a pure failure--how in the world could Neal Stevens NOT see this in his PREVIEW? Somebody, please tell me? How could the "so called expert" of submarine simulation not see that SH5 is a total abortion and software derailment of what was/should be expected in the NEXT installment of this great title :damn:

So, your first post here bashes the guy who runs the site? Why bother?

Welcome aboard... I think. :nope: Let me show you the engine room... just let me grab my duct tape first. I, uh, need it for something back there.

[SSN*593]

so ui and drm aside, you like it ? :)

Blind as a bat with no familiar controls, and running around the tin can with the W, A, S, D keys like a first person shooter, no, I don't see the fun in it. There was a CUT SCENE when I started the campaign--what the hell is this? Am I at the movies or is this just a bad dream? I bought this game to be in control of a uboat and I HAVE NO CONTROL!

[SSN*593]

So, your first post here bashes the guy who runs the site? Why bother?

Welcome aboard... I think. :nope: Let me show you the engine room... just let me grab my duct tape first. I, uh, need it for something back there.

I trusted Neals judgement and BOUGHT the GAME--I feel betrayed--that's WHY; get a clue! All the other gaming sites don't give this title more than a 5! Now I completely understand why.

[oscar19681]

You know this is a piss poor game when you need a MOD to fix it; what happened to my CONTROLS, UBI? SH5 looks and feels like a damn kiddy console game on my PC with 4 options; A, B, C, or D. SH5 is an absolute failure and I am/will be getting my CASH back for this massive mistake. It reminds me of what happened to Far Cry; UBI and DEV team butchered it and turned it into console crap. Add this dumb DRM to SH5 and it's a pure failure--how in the world could Neal Stevens NOT see this in his PREVIEW? Somebody, please tell me? How could the "so called expert" of submarine simulation not see that SH5 is a total abortion and software derailment of what was/should be expected in the NEXT installment of this great title :damn:

I just finished about 6 hours of sh-5 gameplay. And i,m wondering how can a jerk like you play sh-5 in the first place ? How about giving the software a chance without pulling your hair out? Take a chillpill. If that dont work ask your local doctor for some Valium.

[Flopper]

Blind as a bat with no familiar controls, and running around the tin can with the W, A, S, D keys like a first person shooter, no, I don't see the fun in it. There was a CUT SCENE when I started the campaign--what the hell is this? Am I at the movies or is this just a bad dream? I bought this game to be in control of a uboat and I HAVE NO CONTROL!

UBI made it public months ago that there would be no player control in this version. At least that was my understanding, from what I've read.

[SSN*593]

I just finished about 6 hours of sh-5 gameplay. And i,m wondering how can a jerk like you play sh-5 in the first place ? How about giving the software a chance without pulling your hair out? Take a chillpill. If that dont work ask your local doctor for some Valium.

The same JERK that is getting ALL his money back unlike the sucker YOU ARE, that's who.

[Reece]

UBI made it public months ago that there would be no player control in this version. At least that was my understanding, from what I've read.:har: that's sort of funny!!:yep:

[kylania]

I trusted Neals judgement and BOUGHT the GAME--I feel betrayed--that's WHY; get a clue! All the other gaming sites don't give this title more than a 5! Now I completely understand why.

SubSim hasn't reviewed SH5 yet.

[SSN*593]

UBI made it public months ago that there would be no player control in this version. At least that was my understanding, from what I've read.

LOL, yep the JOKE is on me; EVERYONE else knew this was going to be some kind of movie simulation. I thought the whole purpose of continuing a software title was to KEEP THE OLD GOOD stuff, and ADD some MORE GOOD stuff.

Example in point: Adobe CS4; All the OLD GOOD stuff is in it and anytime they IMPROVE on the TITLE (Adobe Photoshop), the user is not blindly fumbling around wondering how to use it.

[Kanelglass]

Give it a new chance with this mod -> http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=163208.
I think that mod gives you the same 'control' as in SH3.

[THE_MASK]

Shelv it for awhile and wait for the patch/patches and mega mods.

[vonce1]

well, that was right out of the heart; you have points though, but with MINIMUM of patience you can patch your crap game to a reasonable sim,

as far as Neals input I woudn't judge that hard, he will give us an honest assesment in no time

[Steeltrap]

-how in the world could Neal Stevens NOT see this in his PREVIEW? Somebody, please tell me? How could the "so called expert" of submarine simulation not see that SH5 is a total abortion and software derailment of what was/should be expected in the NEXT installment of this great title :damn:

I'm sorry, but you based your purchasing decision on a preview? And that's somehow Neal's fault? If you are going to make your decision on someone's opinion, I'm a little surprised you didn't wait for them to review the retail version.

By all means express your opinion, but you might acknowledge that you didn't wait for a complete review on the product you bought.

[SteamWake]

A 'Movie simulation' :-?

You know thats pretty damn close... except they dident quite pull it off.

[Onkel Neal]

You know this is a piss poor game when you need a MOD to fix it; what happened to my CONTROLS, UBI? SH5 looks and feels like a damn kiddy console game on my PC with 4 options; A, B, C, or D. SH5 is an absolute failure and I am/will be getting my CASH back for this massive mistake. It reminds me of what happened to Far Cry; UBI and DEV team butchered it and turned it into console crap. Add this dumb DRM to SH5 and it's a pure failure--how in the world could Neal Stevens NOT see this in his PREVIEW? Somebody, please tell me? How could the "so called expert" of submarine simulation not see that SH5 is a total abortion and software derailment of what was/should be expected in the NEXT installment of this great title :damn:

It's very simple, the preview was based on a beta version of the game. Naturally, they cannot send me a finished version of the game to do a preview, because it is not finished. And nowhere did I say that the game was "fantastic! Awesome! Must-have!", did I? Did you even read the preview? Maybe you missed this:

Normally, with a preview I do not mention bugs or glitches--one shouldn't expect a preview build should to be polished or complete. But with Ubisoft waiting until the eleventh-hour to send out preview copies, it's hard to ignore the current state of the game. How much can the dev team improve the game in a month or so? Based on the condition of the preview build, I don't think it's a stretch to expect a Day 1 patch. There are some questions that cannot be fully answered until the game is released: What state is the game in?..... Will long-time Subsim players buy another unfinished game? And, most importantly, will Ubisoft support the game in the months ahead with patches that refine the game and complete the gaps that should have been in place to start with?

You do understand what subtext is, don't you?

There is no way for me or any reviewer to accurately predict what a game will be like when it is released in March 2010, based on a beta from late 2009. I could have said, "Oh, based on this beta, the game will be a disaster!" but I could have very easily been flat wrong, and in any case, not very responsible.

Does that answer your question?
Neal

[jwilliams]

how in the world could Neal Stevens NOT see this in his PREVIEW?

Did you even read Neal's preview?

it's hard to ignore the current state of the game. How much can the dev team improve the game in a month or so?The really Big Questions are: will the game sell better to the casual gamer than SH3/SH4? Will long-time Subsim players buy another unfinished game? And, most importantly, will Ubisoft support the game in the months ahead with patches that refine the game and complete the gaps that should have been in place to start with? I say it will take all three to save this franchise.what happened to my CONTROLS, UBI?

One area where Silent Hunter V has taken a big step back is the interface. Gone are the small telegraph, compass, and depth dials. In their place are Win7 style controls that look out of place in a U-boat. Add this dumb DRM to SH5 and it's a pure failure

By now everyone knows that you will need a constant online connection to play Silent Hunter V, it's part of the anti-piracy copy protection Ubisoft has adopted. Just exactly how the game will react if you get a momentary blip in your connection is not firmly established. As a test, I tried unplugging my cable modem (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PzqPuH4D8k&hd=1) and the game continued. Other tests showed the game paused after several minutes of no connection. In theory, the game should save and allow you to resume where you left off, but again, until empirical tests can be administered, we will have to wait and see. So in my opinion Neal said there was alot wrong with the game. I cant see how you didnt notice (if you fully read his preview).

[CCIP]

After reading feedback from competent and properly-critical member such as this: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=164428

I must say that the real joke here is this thread and every other thread where the OP's primary agenda is not to provide an assessment of the game but to exercise his/her supposed entitlement to unwarranted attention anytime they are unhappy. A story that repeats over and over on this forum sadly... when will people just stop making new threads for the same damn thing? :shifty:

[MaciejK]

Ok, I just bought the game, as far as I know it is waiting for me at the post office.

previously I wasn't going to do that - DRM one thing, but the fact that the game seems to be dumbed down,etc, buggy and all the good old traditions the series used to cherish are there. However, the lad responsible for the new/old dials for SH5 gave me hope ;-) Now I think that "ok, maybe I have to pay some money for this Silent Hunter 5 Software Dev Kit, but I strongly believe that in the future there will some patches and, what is more, great mods appear. It was like this with SH3, SH4. Ok, it is a damn shame that these games NEED mods to be splendid simulations, but I can live with that. I curse UBI for releasing unfinished product again, from what I've been reading so far - this company clearly shows what they think bout their customers. We as the community spoiled them with GWX and other wonderful mods.

Now if you don't like it - don't play it. Maybe put it on a shelf and wait somoe time and come back when it is patched and modded. Or get your refund. But do not bash the person who previewed the game and pointed out early version's shortcomings. You could wait and read some reviews, it was your free will to obtain the game before reading Neal's review, which is, as I believe, in the making.

I'm gonna play the game and enjoy it, if not - put it on a shelf and wait for mods. I'm not gonna bitch, enough bitching has already been done. Time for some constructive criticism and good ideas on how to improve OUR latest subsim.

my 3 cents.
Mac

[MaciejK]

After reading feedback from competent and properly-critical member such as this: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=164428

I must say that the real joke here is this thread and every other thread where the OP's primary agenda is not to provide an assessment of the game but to exercise his/her supposed entitlement to unwarranted attention anytime they are unhappy. A story that repeats over and over on this forum sadly... when will people just stop making new threads for the same damn thing? :shifty:

Amen to that

[Tomi_099]

LOL, yep the JOKE is on me; EVERYONE else knew this was going to be some kind of movie simulation. I thought the whole purpose of continuing a software title was to KEEP THE OLD GOOD stuff, and ADD some MORE GOOD stuff.

Example in point: Adobe CS4; All the OLD GOOD stuff is in it and anytime they IMPROVE on the TITLE (Adobe Photoshop), the user is not blindly fumbling around wondering how to use it.
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I'm an avid Sub-gamer but I has you to be right and I am very disappointed
This is only the money for Ubisoft and the quality has seen the devil.
I can only hope to put the guys from the Romanian and get same stuff with
Patsch some.
I have created the impression that all other Ubisoft games better than this
And I do not know why? :06:


The Oleg Maddox
For Wings of Prey has invested twice as much time,
And the guys are too smart for that use the mods for the extension.:arrgh!:


Silent Hunter 5 has made a step forward, but the step is to small.:-?


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[kiwi_2005]

First game out of the series im not loading up everynight on release. Its not a bad game it looks fantastic to previous SH's and so it should but what #1 said its too consoley for me also. Will wait for a supermod to come out. Back to battlefield for me. Each to their own though if SH5 rocks your sub then enjoy!

[oscar19681]

The same JERK that is getting ALL his money back unlike the sucker YOU ARE, that's who.

Why would i want my money back for a product that is extremly enjoyable?

[mookiemookie]

After reading feedback from competent and properly-critical member such as this: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=164428

I must say that the real joke here is this thread and every other thread where the OP's primary agenda is not to provide an assessment of the game but to exercise his/her supposed entitlement to unwarranted attention anytime they are unhappy. A story that repeats over and over on this forum sadly... when will people just stop making new threads for the same damn thing? :shifty:

Excellent point. I'm getting tired of reading the same hissy fits over and over. But, some of the exaggeration and hyperbole is kind of funny in a "roll your eyes" kind of way.

http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/tantrum.gif
"How could the "so called expert" of submarine simulation not see that SH5 is a total abortion and software derailment and Silent Hunter 5 kicked my dog and blew up my car and ran off with my wife!"

[Atributri74]

You know this is a piss poor game when you need a MOD to fix it; what happened to my CONTROLS, UBI? SH5 looks and feels like a damn kiddy console game on my PC with 4 options; A, B, C, or D. SH5 is an absolute failure and I am/will be getting my CASH back for this massive mistake. It reminds me of what happened to Far Cry; UBI and DEV team butchered it and turned it into console crap. Add this dumb DRM to SH5 and it's a pure failure--how in the world could Neal Stevens NOT see this in his PREVIEW? Somebody, please tell me? How could the "so called expert" of submarine simulation not see that SH5 is a total abortion and software derailment of what was/should be expected in the NEXT installment of this great title :damn:

I agree 110%. :damn: Silent Hunter 3 is still the one, and only Silent Hunter.:rock:

[Bilge_Rat]

Excellent point. I'm getting tired of reading the same hissy fits over and over. But, some of the exaggeration and hyperbole is kind of funny in a "roll your eyes" kind of way.

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:sign_yeah:

all these "its the end of the world" threads are so "last week"...

Its only a game people, not health care reform, if you don't like it, don't play it.

The rest of us are having a grand old time..

[Drifter]

*sigh* The more I play SH5, the more I have to agree with the original poster. SH5 should have never been released in this condition. Never. :nope:

[The Enigma]

I agree 110%. :damn: Silent Hunter 3 is still the one, and only Silent Hunter.:rock:

So you agree 110% to this too:
Originally Posted by SSN*593 View Post
How could the "so called expert" of submarine simulation not see that SH5 is a total abortion and software derailment of what was/should be expected in the NEXT installment of this great title

Did you even bother to read Neal's reply?

More and more I'm getting the impression that reading isn't for both of you one of your strongest points. :nope:

[Mud]

I agree always 10% more than the others who agree.

In the end we all know it´s Neal´s fault.














:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

[Indietro]

*sigh* The more I play SH5, the more I have to agree with the original poster. SH5 should have never been released in this condition. Never. :nope:

Well you can't expect high quality of the game that comes from company like Ubisoft.. They were always lacking of time to complete any of SH series. Might be the reason of poor budget and project development period planing and this is of course the inner problems of UBI. To complete the game and most importantly to deliver it to customers in the shape of usable product is a must for any self respecting company. There is little who wants to buy the unfinished product with accompany of even more stupid approach of digital rights security like DRM. You can't expect much of budget income as game-dev company with such careless work.
So is SH5 a Joke ? If softly said - Joke as least..

[Armistead]

I trusted Neals judgement and BOUGHT the GAME--I feel betrayed--that's WHY; get a clue! All the other gaming sites don't give this title more than a 5! Now I completely understand why.

You can't trust an opinion from someone that must push the good aspects of the game

[John Channing]

1) Did you ready anything in Neal's post?

2) Have you read any of Neal's reviews for SH2, 3, 4 and PT Boats

3) If the answer to 1) or 2) is yes, why would you say something like that?

4) Would you come into someone's house as a guest and insult them in that manner?

Good Heavens, man.

JCC

[Bilge_Rat]

You can't trust an opinion from someone that must push the good aspects of the game

what makes you say that?

when has he written a review or preview that was false or misleading?

what facts do you have to back up your accusations?

[Safe-Keeper]

This person can have there opinion just like everyone else. I find it odd that those of us who like the game manage to follow rules, while the people who dislike it think they each need their own thread to state their opinions on the game:yawn:.

I mean, seriously, how many different ways can you say "the game is buggy and arcade-ish and I hate DRM"?

Blind as a bat with no familiar controls, and running around the tin can with the W, A, S, D keys like a first person shooter, no, I don't see the fun in it. There was a CUT SCENE when I started the campaign--what the hell is this? Am I at the movies or is this just a bad dream? I bought this game to be in control of a uboat and I HAVE NO CONTROL! UBI made it public months ago that there would be no player control in this version. At least that was my understanding, from what I've read. Yes, the fact that you can't control the submarine has been known for an eternity, where have you been?

But trust me, it picks up. Just wait 'til the bosun gets murdered on the way to Scapa Flow, though. You'll never guess who the killer is.

I trusted Neals judgement and BOUGHT the GAME--I feel betrayed--that's WHY; get a clue! All the other gaming sites don't give this title more than a 5! Now I completely understand why. Er, what? I visited Metacritic to check your claim out, and while they have only 3 reviews in so far, the scores are 80, 60 and 50. (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/silenthunter5?q=silent%20hunter%205#critics) Only 63 on average, but far better than your "all 5/10" claim.
(http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/silenthunter5?q=silent%20hunter%205#critics)

[Wilcke]

Everyone has strong opinions regarding SH5. I am into a career now and this thing is really growing on me. The only mods I am running are Ducimus' AI and Sub physics. I modded the commands file.

I am quite happy with SH5 overall. 8/10

[SSN*593]

It's very simple, the preview was based on a beta version of the game. Naturally, they cannot send me a finished version of the game to do a preview, because it is not finished. And nowhere did I say that the game was "fantastic! Awesome! Must-have!", did I? Did you even read the preview? Maybe you missed this:



You do understand what subtext is, don't you?

There is no way for me or any reviewer to accurately predict what a game will be like when it is released in March 2010, based on a beta from late 2009. I could have said, "Oh, based on this beta, the game will be a disaster!" but I could have very easily been flat wrong, and in any case, not very responsible.

Does that answer your question?
Neal

It's my fault--yes, I read your PREVIEW completely and I could tell some things were amiss, but to what degree was my real question. The only way to find out was to purchase the digital download and see for myself.

It came as a BOMBSHELL when I ran my first historical engagement. Attempted to tap a few good well known short cut keys (SH4) and NOTHING WORKED. Now panicked, I went straight to the F keys in hopes of jumping right into a few stations, and as you might have guessed, that didn't work either.

Was guessing/hoping that maybe someone from the dev team read your preview and had FIXED all that stuff for the final release. So it appears I got the same thing you did--a big surprise.

My main concern was why you didn't have a complete breakdown like me and raise the ALARM as it is justified here. DRM aside, we needed a functioning boat, not some cheesy pretty graphic slide show.

To sum it up: SH4 meets PS3 = SH5

I am NOT blaming you 100% Neal for my dissatisfaction. You did your job and you raised some good points, but had it been me writing the preview, I would have clearly stated that the next release is a clear deviation from previous games which has me quite concerned at this point, and should be redeveloped from the ground up to give us everything we had in SH3/4 and more.

Isn't that the whole point of continuing a great game? Give us the same plus more. I think the devs would have really listened to you had you demanded it. Didn't you have a ton of influence in the creation of SH4? If I recall, it was delayed a few times because you had concerns in it's development and what the SIM COMMUNITY wanted (?). Why didn't you do that with SH5 or did they, like you said, have a "black out" with details?

Your REviews are great and it will be interesting to read your final REVIEW of SH5.

[John Channing]

So you didn't read the manual, didn't press F1 to check out the key assignments, didn't do any preperation at all before jumping right in and then got mad because what you had assumed was incorrect?




Got it.

Stupid Ubisoft for not making it the way you thought it should be.

JCC

[Safe-Keeper]

Didn't you have a ton of influence in the creation of SH4? If I recall, it was delayed a few times because you had concerns in it's development and what the SIM COMMUNITY wanted (?). Why didn't you do that with SH5 or did they, like you said, have a "black out" with details?
Walking around inside the sub and/or having every compartment modelled is something a lot of people asked for after III and 4. Don't kid yourself.

[martin1004]

Just experienced a massive fail from DRM or whatever it's called. Since my Windows computer isn't connected to the internet and there's no way it will be anytime soon. Now I have SH5 but can't play it thanks to the brilliant new DRM idea :yeah:

[sav112]

So you didn't read the manual, didn't press F1 to check out the key assignments, didn't do any preperation at all before jumping right in and then got mad because what you had assumed was incorrect?




Got it.

Stupid Ubisoft for not making it the way you thought it should be.

JCC

There was me thinking its was all the Bug's but yes Probably is the fact the controls have been done poorly in most experienced fans view. Right of you to pull the player up for his behaviour especially when the instruction book is an insight into submarine warfare for the second world war.
I think the player just found out the game plays pish.:rock:

[John Channing]

There was me thinking its was all the Bug's but yes Probably is the fact the controls have been done poorly in most experienced fans view. Right of you to pull the player up for his behaviour especially when the instruction book is an insight into submarine warfare for the second world war.
I think the player just found out the game plays pish.:rock:

I guess I can understand where you are coming from. You obviously didn't read his initial complaints, or the second time he posted his complaints. I guess being informed on actual the topic would have cut into your posting time, so your lack of comprehension of the topic is completely understandable.

This "experienced fan's view" is that it is a good thing to read the manual... even that manual, before jumping in.

The lack of the same control structure identical to the previous iterations of the series is not actually a bug.

And what, exactly, has the fact that the manual points out which keys you need to be familiar with to play the game properly got to do with it's failure as "an insight into submarine warfare for the second world war."

The manual is pretty bad, even by post-SH1 standards, but a perusal of it would have solved the OP's problems.

JCC

[IanC]

There you have it then. The OP made no valid points, it's all about him not reading the manual. He is stooopid, so is anybody who doesn't like SH5, stoopidz all of you.
You can close the thread now, case closed.

edit: yeah I better add sarcasm just in case you stoopidz don't get it

[Factor]

I bought a brand new car yesterday, a Toyota to replace my old Toyota. Got on the road from the dealership, it was raining. I went to turn on my wipers, the turn signal comes on. WTF! Tried the Cruise control, the head lights come on. WTF! Its all wrong! I think i might take the car back because all the controls are in the wrong place that i am used too! I do not know if i am smart enough to adapt to this new Toyota, and i refuse to read the dealer manual.

[Nordmann]

I do not know if i am smart enough to adapt to this new Toyota, and i refuse to read the dealer manual.

The manual is only available in PDF format, and you have to be connected to the internet to view it.

[Nisgeis]

The manual is only available in PDF format, and you have to be connected to the internet to view it.

It was actually, quite a clever analogy from Factor, which you seem to have missed. Bravo Factor, I too have turned on the wiper instead of the turn indicator. Nice example.

[BlackSpot]

I bought a brand new car yesterday, a Toyota to replace my old Toyota. Got on the road from the dealership, it was raining. I went to turn on my wipers, the turn signal comes on. WTF! Tried the Cruise control, the head lights come on. WTF! Its all wrong! I think i might take the car back because all the controls are in the wrong place that i am used too! I do not know if i am smart enough to adapt to this new Toyota, and i refuse to read the dealer manual.

I think the dealership should give him a 7 day cooling down period and if he still isn't happy with the new model, he should return it. They should give him a full refund and he can go back to driving his old Trabant. :o

[razark]

I think the dealership should give him a 7 day cooling down period and if he still isn't happy with the new model, he should return it. They should give him a full refund and he can go back to driving his old Trabant. :o

All sales are final. There are no returns. The contract is signed.

He should have looked at the pictures of the car under development, and noticed the fact that the dashboard looked completely different from the previous one.

[Sailor Steve]

The manual is only available in PDF format, and you have to be connected to the internet to view it.
He had to be connected to the internet to play the game, to find all the things he complained about. So the manual was indeed available to him.

[Méo]

The manual is only available in PDF format, and you have to be connected to the internet to view it.

I'm curious, on where did you see this? :06:

Have you tried it?

Oh, let me guess, you must one of those who know everything without even trying and playing SH5.

I've unplugged my connection, came back 5 minutes later and I was perfectly able to view the manual.

[Nisgeis]

He had to be connected to the internet to play the game, to find all the things he complained about. So the manual was indeed available to him.

He wasn't talking about the game, he was talking about the fictitious Toyota's manual.

I'm curious, on where did you see this? :06:

In his head. He was referring to a fictious PDF manual for a Toyota, to try to emphasise some point about the real game. Weird I know.

[Méo]

In his head. He was referring to a fictious PDF manual for a Toyota, to try to emphasise some point about the real game. Weird I know.

Ok, I see. :nope:

[jerm138]

I think this thread epitomizes the absolute worst thing about SH5...

The child-like behavior it brought to these once-mature threads. I came to subsim just a few months ago because it was the first gaming thread I had found in a long time that didn't have the typical yelling, blaming, bickering, name-calling, etc. that you normally get when a bunch of kids (and some adults) are given free-reign to say whatever they want while hiding behind their monitors. But the SH5 corner seems to be spiraling downhill.

It's one thing to disagree on something and discuss it in detail, usually everyone learns something from discussions like that. But comments like these bring this site down a couple notches:
I trusted Neals judgement and BOUGHT the GAME--I feel betrayed--that's WHY; get a clue! how can a jerk like you play sh-5 in the first placeThe same JERK that is getting ALL his money back unlike the sucker YOU AREIs it really that difficult to stay civilized?

Maybe we can get a sticky for "general complaints" so that we don't have to fill the boards with unnecessary threads like this that don't contribute anything besides hate and discontent.

[John Channing]

There you have it then. The OP made no valid points, it's all about him not reading the manual. He is stooopid, so is anybody who doesn't like SH5, stoopidz all of you.
You can close the thread now, case closed.

edit: yeah I better add sarcasm just in case you stoopidz don't get it

No no no... let's leave it open. We haven't heard anyone restate the same complaints about SHV in almost 3 seconds...

JCC

[longam]

I bought a brand new car yesterday, a Toyota to replace my old Toyota. Got on the road from the dealership, it was raining. I went to turn on my wipers, the turn signal comes on. WTF! Tried the Cruise control, the head lights come on. WTF! Its all wrong! I think i might take the car back because all the controls are in the wrong place that i am used too! I do not know if i am smart enough to adapt to this new Toyota, and i refuse to read the dealer manual.

You old Toyota must be really old because they only change things about every 10 years. My 2005 Tacoma has the same controls my x has in her 2000 Camery :haha:

[Monica Lewinsky]

The child-like behavior it brought to these once-mature threads. I came to subsim just a few months ago because it was the first gaming thread I had found in a long time that didn't have the typical yelling, blaming, bickering, name-calling, etc. that you normally get when a bunch of kids (and some adults) are given free-reign to say whatever they want while hiding behind their monitors.

Agreed 101%.

I have been [silently] sitting on the side line[s] reading a ton of reactions before I contemplate the purchase ... but jeez, Louise.

As time goes on, we all have to make changes to various things in life. But to go bonkers over a game? Makes me wonder.

[Sailor Steve]

I think this thread epitomizes the absolute worst thing about SH5...

The child-like behavior it brought to these once-mature threads.
You weren't here for the launch of SH4. Or SH3. Or SH2. Or the 'Mod Wars'.

This is not unusual. That said, sooner or later it calms down and things return to what passes for 'normal'.

[Safe-Keeper]

You old Toyota must be really old because they only change things about every 10 years. My 2005 Tacoma has the same controls my x has in her 2000 Camery :haha:Yay for taking metaphors 101% literally.

You weren't here for the launch of SH4. Or SH3. Or SH2. Or the 'Mod Wars'.

This is not unusual. That said, sooner or later it calms down and things return to what passes for 'normal'. Yup, you should've seen us when we were trying to hammer out ethics guidelines for SHIII mods :D (I suppose that is what has later gotten the nickname "the mod wars").

[mookiemookie]

The manual is only available in PDF format, and you have to be connected to the internet to view it.

No you don't.

C:\Ubisoft\Silent Hunter 5\Support\Manual

[Factor]

I copied the PDF manual to my laptop so i can view it while i play the game. Whoever said you have to be connected to the internet to view the PDF is totally wrong.

Just right click and explore the disk and you can open it to download to another cpu or laptop.

BTW, my Toyota will shut off if i disable On Star. Im pissed.

[sav112]

I guess I can understand where you are coming from. You obviously didn't read his initial complaints, or the second time he posted his complaints. I guess being informed on actual the topic would have cut into your posting time, so your lack of comprehension of the topic is completely understandable.

This "experienced fan's view" is that it is a good thing to read the manual... even that manual, before jumping in.

The lack of the same control structure identical to the previous iterations of the series is not actually a bug.

And what, exactly, has the fact that the manual points out which keys you need to be familiar with to play the game properly got to do with it's failure as "an insight into submarine warfare for the second world war."

The manual is pretty bad, even by post-SH1 standards, but a perusal of it would have solved the OP's problems.

JCC
:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

The control structure has been documented well on here and the original post and his second I cant see if it stresses that he cant understand the new controls or he feels he has no control. And that understandable as there is a few threads detailing what players feel about this. Heading and Depth under keel, Compass, Clock etc.

Cant defend what does look like a rant be it the original post or your confused good self jumping to your own conclusions on other peoples behalf’s. I did read his post thank you and the reference to the Bugs was regarding his heading “This is a joke”

Never said anything about control changes being a bug, or that reading the manual was the experienced players view……I said the experience players on here said it looks to be poorly done.

As for the Manual, be nice to set the up the game, I used to love the old manuals Elite being a example but I guess its going the way there will be no boxed games just Downloads and this constant connection to the server bull if we just sit back and take it. Is it too much to ask for a Manual that also gives a wee bit of history and tell the story of the Sub war that your intending to enter. There was so many good Sub tactics used in the war heroic stories of the actions of these brave men that fought, not all new to the game will know this and I’d hate to think players set off on there missions with a “Tin can Ally” attitude

[longam]

Yay for taking metaphors 101% literally

:haha: <--you missed this guy didn't you :O:

[Overboard]

Hey Hey Hey, SH5 Is not a joke!!, Cause the 50 bucks (usd) i begged out of my grilfrend to buy it could cost me dearly :haha:

[Philipp_Thomsen]

Rushy kids run to the store 2 days before the official release and get the game, try playing for half hour, come to subsim and bitch about it. For those, go play Crysis.

The rest of us, buy the game 3 months after release, when we already have tons of mods around to make the game a lot more enjoyable, and then we stick around, we play a bit, mod a bit, exchange ideas on how to make it decent and work our arses off to make it happen.

Two years from now, the game will be so awesome, that the rushy kid will hear about it from his friend, will re-install, download all the latest mods and be satisfied by it.

There is a "glory" behind all this, and the rushy kid won't ever understand.

[Factor]

Hey Hey Hey, SH5 Is not a joke!!, Cause the 50 bucks (usd) i begged out of my grilfrend to buy it could cost me dearly :haha:


A day at the shopping mall?:DL

[Overboard]

A day at the shopping mall?:DL

Your so rich,...moneymoneymoneymoney lol :salute:

[sav112]

Rushy kids run to the store 2 days before the official release and get the game, try playing for half hour, come to subsim and bitch about it. For those, go play Crysis.


Got a seven year old here that has been weaned on games that have graphics and physics that I could not have even dreamed about as a kid, wants instant kills on his Xbox and playstation but that seems to be what games are about these days.

[Factor]

Got a seven year old here that has been weaned on games that have graphics and physics that I could not have even dreamed about as a kid, wants instant kills on his Xbox and playstation but that seems to be what games are about these days.


Sad but true. Developers seem to only cater to the ADD generation now. Simulation gaming, hell, PC gaming in general, is almost non existent.

[Nordmann]

No you don't.

C:\Ubisoft\Silent Hunter 5\Support\Manual

*Sigh* It was a JOKE. Some people are far too serious on here.

[dsawan]

been playing with it and the movement around the sub is waht ticks me off. It is cumbersome and unnecessary. I like station positions with icons similar to sh3 and 2. gotta wait for modders to come up with a solution.

[Onkel Neal]

You can't trust an opinion from someone that must push the good aspects of the game

What makes you think I must push the good aspects of a game? :hmmm:

It's my fault--yes, I read your PREVIEW completely and I could tell some things were amiss, but to what degree was my real question. The only way to find out was to purchase the digital download and see for myself.

It came as a BOMBSHELL when I ran my first historical engagement. Attempted to tap a few good well known short cut keys (SH4) and NOTHING WORKED. Now panicked, I went straight to the F keys in hopes of jumping right into a few stations, and as you might have guessed, that didn't work either.

Was guessing/hoping that maybe someone from the dev team read your preview and had FIXED all that stuff for the final release. So it appears I got the same thing you did--a big surprise.

My main concern was why you didn't have a complete breakdown like me and raise the ALARM as it is justified here. DRM aside, we needed a functioning boat, not some cheesy pretty graphic slide show.

To sum it up: SH4 meets PS3 = SH5

I am NOT blaming you 100% Neal for my dissatisfaction. You did your job and you raised some good points, but had it been me writing the preview, I would have clearly stated that the next release is a clear deviation from previous games which has me quite concerned at this point, and should be redeveloped from the ground up to give us everything we had in SH3/4 and more.

Isn't that the whole point of continuing a great game? Give us the same plus more. I think the devs would have really listened to you had you demanded it. Didn't you have a ton of influence in the creation of SH4? If I recall, it was delayed a few times because you had concerns in it's development and what the SIM COMMUNITY wanted (?). Why didn't you do that with SH5 or did they, like you said, have a "black out" with details?

Your REviews are great and it will be interesting to read your final REVIEW of SH5.

I pointed out what I thought about buying SH5 on Day 1 several times, (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1272606&highlight=earned#post1272606) you may have missed that. And about preordering. (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1213234&highlight=preorder#post1213234)
Feb 18: If DRM is a concern for anyone, as with the quality of the game, and your "hard-earned $50"© is crucial for your survival as a human being, they should definitely wait for reviews.

I cannot demand that the devs or Ubisoft listen to me. It's not my money invested in the game development or my paycheck that depends on the game. I can offer my ideas and concepts, my feedback, if they want it. If they do not, that's their perogative. And to be fair, any one person on the dev team--artists, programmers, designers--is smarter than me when it comes to making a computer game. I really do appreciate when they accept input from me, but in the end, it's their game to make.





Agreed 101%.

I have been [silently] sitting on the side line[s] reading a ton of reactions before I contemplate the purchase ... but jeez, Louise.

As time goes on, we all have to make changes to various things in life. But to go bonkers over a game? Makes me wonder.

I'm frequently shaking my head over the tone and lack of sense displayed on these forums by some people. It's appalling that there are so many people in the world who simply go to pieces if a game does not meet their expectations. It's sad, really.

Sad but true. Developers seem to only cater to the ADD generation now. Simulation gaming, hell, PC gaming in general, is almost non existent.
I would argue that the ADD generation covers a lot of people, older than me and younger. They are the ones who play a game for 2 days and then bombard internet forums with hysterical rants.... ;)

[Flopper]

Neal, I know you can't reimburse the guy for the game, but you might at least consider giving him a refund on that preview you did. Or partial refund, at least. Wait, that would be the same thing. Yeah. Full refund, I guess. I dunno. Just a suggestion.

[Méo]

Neal, I know you can't reimburse the guy for the game, but you might at least consider giving him a refund on that review you did. Or partial refund, at least. Wait, that would be the same thing. Yeah. Full refund, I guess. I dunno. Just a suggestion.

:06: you're kidding right?

[jwilliams]

Neal, I know you can't reimburse the guy for the game, but you might at least consider giving him a refund on that review you did. Or partial refund, at least. Wait, that would be the same thing. Yeah. Full refund, I guess. I dunno. Just a suggestion.


Refund for the review???? LOL :haha:
Neal hasnt even given a review yet!!! ( Wish he would hurry up with his review tho (Hint for Neal :O:)).

And if you ment the Preview that Neal has already wrote, then i dont see why he should take his preview back and refund the cost the OP paid for the preview. You would have to be blind not to have seen the warnings about the game in his preview.

[Flopper]

:06: you're kidding right?

Not really. Did I get the math wrong?

[Méo]

Not really. Did I get the math wrong?

1) It's a PREVIEW of the beta, not a REVIEW of the game at release

2) Everyone is responsible for their own buying decision.

3) and the most importat, check this: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1309923&postcount=20

[GoldenRivet]

SH5 is a JOKE!


Silent hunter 5, a monkey, and a cop walk into a bar... :D

[Flopper]

Good grief, I have to spell it out? I was suggesting Neal refund the zero dollars he got paid from the complaintant for his preview. Or at least part of it, which is also zero. Wow... moving on... :o

[runyan99]

Get up
a git git git down
Silent Hunter 5
is a joke in your town

[Onkel Neal]

Sad but true. Developers seem to only cater to the ADD generation now. Simulation gaming, hell, PC gaming in general, is almost non existent.

:haha: I get it!

(I think they thought you meant I should refund the guy what he paid for the game, based on not reading my preview carefully...)

[Madox58]

For the casual Gamer?
Maybe it is a piece of crap.
For the Modder inclined?
It may be a dream come true.

Too many people want to complain right off the bat.
Sure patches will follow this version!
Did you not learn from every other release?

Version 1 of any Silent Hunter release comes with
an unwritten 'You can bet on it' patch.

Then more patches till they tire off doing them.
Bottom line is the money.

Once the money is made?
On to Silent Hunter VI.

It's not the Devs makeing the choices.
I met Dan.
I know abit of what he intended SH5 to be.
I can only hope the Devs know that some of us feel for them.

In this day of instant gratification?
Many people expect too much.
I've always prefered a 'Needs tweaking' Game.

But I'm a glutten for punishment!
:haha:

[Rip]

Good grief, I have to spell it out? I was suggesting Neal refund the zero dollars he got paid from the complaintant for his preview. Or at least part of it, which is also zero. Wow... moving on... :o

Don't worry I got it. I'm betting Neal did as well.

[Bilge_Rat]

Rushy kids run to the store 2 days before the official release and get the game, try playing for half hour, come to subsim and bitch about it. For those, go play Crysis.

The rest of us, buy the game 3 months after release, when we already have tons of mods around to make the game a lot more enjoyable, and then we stick around, we play a bit, mod a bit, exchange ideas on how to make it decent and work our arses off to make it happen.

Two years from now, the game will be so awesome, that the rushy kid will hear about it from his friend, will re-install, download all the latest mods and be satisfied by it.

There is a "glory" behind all this, and the rushy kid won't ever understand.


my sentiments exactly.

although I would add that even the current version, which I have been playing for 14 days, probably 15+ hours so far is still very enjoyable.

anyone who has played the entire series from SH1 to now and who takes the time to assess SH5 in an objective manner will see that beneath this slightly rough gem lies a diamond which will eventually outshine all previous SHs.

unfortunately these days, whenever a new title comes out, there appears to be a race among all the internet cretins to see who can post the most negative biased viewpoint. This thread is just the latest example.

however we can be thankful that these clowns have a very short attention span and we wont have to suffer these threads much longer.

[codmander]

SubSim hasn't reviewed SH5 yet.

true /////// in fairness this game has been previewed dont think its worthy of a review;)

[TwistedFemur]

I find this thread quite enjoyable:yeah:
Well back to Total War:Napoleon

[jason210]

For technically minded enthusiasts like myself who want a good simulation with loads of controls, it's hard not to be disappointed because SH5 is clearly dumbed down when one compares it to SHIII. I think it's the trend that worries us, and that's why we bitch. Last year we saw the demise of Microsoft Flight Simulator followed by an announcement of Microsoft that they will remain dedicated to "flying games", no doubt dumbed down stuff for Xbox-like consoles. I guess the explosion of the console market and the great increase in use of computers by the non-technical public, a great dumbing down is an inevitibale consequence.

I remember when SHIII came out I expressed a wish see a walkthrough sub in a future, but I never expected to see all the functionality stripped down in favour of this arcade-console level. The deck gun is appauling with that green trajectory line instead of an angle or distance gauge, and the missing TDC is a sure sign of where all this is going. It smells of decadence.

The reason they dumb stuff down is to try to make it accessible to a broader market, but is that really going to work with SH series? If someone isn't interested in learning a game like SHIII, why would they be interested in learning a game that's harder to play on account of missing instruments and controlability? This isn't going to appeal to the causal gamer. It fails for both the enthusiast and the casual gamer. It's pretty to look at though, which makes it hard to go back to the graphics of SHIII.


If this trend continues I expect SHVI, if it ever happens, will be steerable with a mouse, and have a point and click torpedo firing system...

[TwistedFemur]

true /////// in fairness this game has been previewed dont think its worthy of a review;)


my review can be sumed up in one sentence "This POS is a floater in the toilet of PC simulatons and should be flushed with all due haste."



side note........ yes I have played it, and no, it does not deserve to take up space on my friends hard drive. IMO.

On my PS3 it would be tolerable. but it is an insult to my intelligence that UBI would try to pass this POS off as a SIMULATION.

yeah I know I spelt some words wrong......sue me.

[Hanomag]

Silent hunter 5, a monkey, and a cop walk into a bar... :D

Why does it have to be a cop?? :nope:

I want any apology from GR.. pick on another group of people! :damn:

JK GR...

Hey SSN...

I want a refund too.. wait.. I didnt even buy the game yet.. hmm ok..

I want an eastah egg!!! LMAO!

I dont think I blew up that much even when playing SH3 GWX.. an merchant sailors were wreaking havoc on my pressure hull with an old shotgun at 100 meters! :o

Sheesh...

Why dont the bashers just give up?? Just get a plane ticket to whereever and go to Ubi Corporate and yell at them.. :hmmm:

[Fozzy22]

I think this is a fair assesment

From Metacritic

Eurogamer
"As a game, Silent Hunter 5 fails because the bugs and UI render it a chore. As a simulation, it fails because the bugs and UI render it ridiculous and incomplete. As a product, it's just overwhelming disrespectful to this long running series' fans. And finally, as one of the first games to receive Ubisoft's new copy protection, it's an embarrassment."

They gave it 50/100, I wouldn't even go that high personally. :O:

[SSN*593]

For technically minded enthusiasts like myself who want a good simulation with loads of controls, it's hard not to be disappointed because SH5 is clearly dumbed down when one compares it to SHIII. I think it's the trend that worries us, and that's why we bitch.

Exactomundo! This game is getting KILLED by user REVIEWS at a 4.8 average rating here: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/silenthunter5/players.html?tag=scoresummary;user-score

But these long dedicated Subsim fans here on the boards are keeping their heads in the SAND--WAKE UP PEOPLE--this game is a serious FAILURE.

"I have played the silent hunter games for many years and love the realism they have brought to controlling a WW2 submarine. I was really looking forward to this game and thought it would be a new and improved SH3 & 4, how disappointed I was."

[Flopper]

Exactomundo! This game is getting KILLED by user REVIEWS at a 4.8 average rating here: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/silenthunter5/players.html?tag=scoresummary;user-score

But these long dedicated Subsim fans here on the boards are keeping their heads in the SAND--WAKE UP PEOPLE--this game is a serious FAILURE.

"I have played the silent hunter games for many years and love the realism they have brought to controlling a WW2 submarine. I was really looking forward to this game and thought it would be a new and improved SH3 & 4, how disappointed I was."

I'm sad it wasn't an instant hit. I'm really pleased that I did not get it. Reading the posts in this forum (long before this thread) helped me make that decision, and from what I've read definitely saved me some cash and aggravation (thanks, Neal, for subsim.com!).

I keep tabs on the shv threads daily and I'm still hopeful that one day I'll be able to give it a try, if some of the show stopping kinks can be worked out.

[GoldenRivet]

Why does it have to be a cop?? :nope:

I want any apology from GR.. pick on another group of people! :damn:


:har:

Ok how about this one...

Silent Hunter 5, a monkey and a soak and wet grunt from the 507th PIR walk into a Romanian brothel...


You feel free to finish this one Michael!!! :har::har::har:

[Hanomag]

:har:

Ok how about this one...

Silent Hunter 5, a monkey and a soak and wet grunt from the 507th PIR walk into a Romanian brothel...


You feel free to finish this one Michael!!! :har::har::har:

Sigh... theres just no winning with some people...

LMFAO!!!!!! :rotfl2:

[John Channing]

I am beginning to agree with the OP. Just look this link to see at what an unplayable mess it really is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEOC9UbFLJk




JCC

[Bonfleck]

You're a joke! :rock:
Yeah that's right, I said it.
Where's your cooler submarine game?

[Bonfleck]

Oh, and good luck with that whole money back thing! Lmfao!:down::rotfl2:
I feel bad for the Walmart clerk that has to deal with that scene!

[jason210]

I'm glad I didn't rush out and buy it also. I nearly did, but the DRM system is what stopped me.

The thing is, there is no incentive for me to go and purchase this game. If it was just a case of bugs and unfinishedness, then I would buy it to support the developers and the genre, and put up with it for a year or so until a compreshensive set of mods addressed all the problems. But I think I speak for many of us when I say:

Why would I want to support a dumbed down game with a DRM system that sucks?

By buying this game now I would be supporting that trend. I'm happy with SHIII and IV for now. If modders manage to do something with SH5 then it will be worth picking up from the bargain bin after the DRM mechanism has been removed. But that will be in a year or two, and by then only us serious simmers will be thinking about it.

[TwistedFemur]

I feel bad for the Walmart clerk that has to deal with that scene!



Walmart clerks dont really care and would give him his money back if they werent so afraid of getting written up

[Coldcall]

Folks there is no problem taking this game back to whereever you bought it for a full refund. At least here in the UK, we have trade descriptions laws which basically states that if it doesn do what it says on the box, you get your money back within a 2 week period. That includes computer games.

Not usre about the US but i'd be surprised at any retailer not willing to refund once they are aware at the actual connection problems.

It says you must have an internet connection, which if you do, means you have met all the requirements as stipulated on the paclkaging and still UBIsoft have failed to provide you the service as advertised.

Anyways apparently this is now the most returned game at Play.com who are also instructed to accept all refund requests.

This is going to be a disaster for UBi. And well deserved.

[Barso]

This pretty much confirms that the DRM will be patched out.
Whoever thought this up should be fired.

[Bilge_Rat]

For technically minded enthusiasts like myself who want a good simulation with loads of controls, it's hard not to be disappointed because SH5 is clearly dumbed down when one compares it to SHIII.

intriguing comment.

ok, I'll bite, exactly what aspects of your SH5 game do you find dumbed down compared to SH3?

I own and have played SH3, SH4 and SH5. At 100% realism (i.e. no external views, no map updates, realistic sensors, limited fuel, dud torpedoes. etc.), I find SH5 stock is as challenging and realistic as SH3 or SH4 stock.

We are also discovering many under the hood improvements to the simulation aspects of SH5.

but then you don't own the game,... do you? :rolleyes:

[Coldcall]

intriguing comment.

ok, I'll bite, exactly what aspects of your SH5 game do you find dumbed down compared to SH3?

I own and have played SH3, SH4 and SH5. At 100% realism (i.e. no external views, no map updates, realistic sensors, limited fuel, dud torpedoes. etc.), I find SH5 stock is as challenging and realistic as SH3 or SH4 stock.

We are also discovering many under the hood improvements to the simulation aspects of SH5.

but then you don"t own the game do you? :rolleyes:

I agree. Many folks are confusing whats actually the prob with SH5.

I find this argument about it being dumbed down or "casualised" totally nonsensical. I really cannot see casual gamers getting into SH5, is far too fiddly and complex, even in its current buggy state.

If Ubisoft aimed this game at the casual market they have failed miserably as i reckon sales for SH5 will be far lower than SH4.

[Barso]

I think it's a fantastic game. I paid good money for a CE of SH4 on eBay 2 years ago and I would pay the same amount for this 2 years from now.
I really don't understand the hate it gets.
We all know there's bugs but surely most will get fixed by patches.
There isn't a game today that doesn't get released without bugs.
It's unfortunate but that's how the publishers play today.

[jason210]

ok, I'll bite, exactly what aspects of your SH5 game do you find dumbed down compared to SH3?

I own and have played SH3, SH4 and SH5. At 100% realism (i.e. no external views, no map updates, realistic sensors, limited fuel, dud torpedoes. etc.), I find SH5 stock is as challenging and realistic as SH3 or SH4 stock.

We are also discovering many under the hood improvements to the simulation aspects of SH5.

but then you don't own the game,... do you? :rolleyes:

Hi

Many user controls and instruments have been stripped away or appear to be broken. Small features such as depth under keel, opening tube doors, a rudder indicator, battery indicator, a fuel guage, a simulation rate indicator, for example. And often no appropriate dialogue functions to find out this information. I searched the motor room for a battery indicator but the gauges in there are non-functional. Also various missing functions such as return to course, and so on. There is the avoidance of nautical terms, like "Ahead Flank" and so on, no doubt because many people don't know that "flank" means.

I'm glad to hear there's a lot of stuff under the hood to play with, and I hope that mod developers can do something with it. But I don't think modders should be required to fix things like the rudder indicator. I look at that rudder indictaor and I think, was it meant to be like that, or is it a bug?

No, I don't own the right to play the game.

[Bilge_Rat]

Hi

Many user controls and instruments have been stripped away or appear to be broken. Small features such as ... a rudder indicator, battery indicator, a fuel guage, a simulation rate indicator, for example.... I searched the motor room for a battery indicator but the gauges in there are non-functional.

false, its all right there in the game.

There is the avoidance of nautical terms, like "Ahead Flank" and so on, no doubt because many people don't know that "flank" means.

again 100% false.

But I don't think modders should be required to fix things like the rudder indicator. I look at that rudder indictaor and I think, was it meant to be like that, or is it a bug?


again false, mine works fine.

there must be a problem with your copy of the game...:salute:

[jason210]

Bilge_Rat

I haven't heard from anyone else yet that they have a working rudder indicator. If any the other stuff is there then I couldn't find it, and it shouldn't be difficult to find. I mean, if I couldn't find it then your casual gamer is hardly going to be able to. Unfortunately I had access to the game only for a few hours and now I don't.

I hope it that in a few months time both Ubisoft and the modding community can do something about it, and getting rid of that outrageous DRM would be a good start. I would even buy a copy if they lose the DRM.

[robbo180265]

Bilge_Rat

I haven't heard from anyone else yet that they have a working rudder indicator. If any the other stuff is there then I couldn't find it, and it shouldn't be difficult to find. I mean, if I couldn't find it then your casual gamer is hardly going to be able to. Unfortunately I had access to the game only for a few hours and now I don't.

I hope it that in a few months time both Ubisoft and the modding community can do something about it, and getting rid of that outrageous DRM would be a good start. I would even buy a copy if they lose the DRM.

Could the highlighted sentence be the reason that you have the bugs?;)

[jason210]

Could the highlighted sentence be the reason that you have the bugs?;)

It wasn't a pirate copy if that's what you think. I wouldn't even know how to find a pirate version. This is the problem with DRM - a bunch of people out there are probably using cracked versions and enjoying the game while those who have bought it had to suffer problems like my nephew. It was the same with Starforce when that came out, but it wasn't nearly half as bad to have the DVD in the drive all the time.

My nephew bought SH5 & I played with it on his laptop for a couple of hours. He was very disappointed with it and now he's returned it. He has not the fastest laptop, although it did meet the minimum requirements, but the nasty thing was my brother's internet connection is not so good so this was the main reason that made it unplayable. He's new to the genre too. I had hoped to test out my torpedo calculator in the game but now I don't have that possibility but if it works in SHIII and SHIV it should work in SHV.

The rudder indicator is a known issue in the game, and as I remember, it showed either 1 degree port, or 1 degree starboard, or hard-a-port, or hard-a-starboard. As for all the other stuff if it's there I never found out where, and I checked the forum a couple of times to find things like the echo sounder, compass and battery and so on.

[robbo180265]

It wasn't a pirate copy if that's what you think. I wouldn't even know how to find a pirate version. This is the problem with DRM - a bunch of people out there are probably using cracked versions and enjoying the game while those who have bought it had to suffer problems like my nephew. It was the same with Starforce when that came out, but it wasn't nearly half as bad to have the DVD in the drive all the time.

My nephew bought SH5 & I played with it on his laptop for a couple of hours. He was very disappointed with it and now he's returned it. He has not the fastest laptop, although it did meet the minimum requirements, but the nasty thing was my brother's internet connection is not so good so this was the main reason that made it unplayable. He's new to the genre too. I had hoped to test out my torpedo calculator in the game but now I don't have that possibility but if it works in SHIII and SHIV it should work in SHV.

The rudder indicator is a known issue in the game, and as I remember, it showed either 1 degree port, or 1 degree starboard, or hard-a-port, or hard-a-starboard. As for all the other stuff if it's there I never found out where, and I checked the forum a couple of times to find things like the echo sounder, compass and battery and so on.

Ahh with you - sorry jumping to conclusions there:oops:

Tbh not too sure about the rudder indicator as I wasn't aware that there was one. For manouvers I use the compass add-on to steer the boat that seems to work quite well, the other mod that selects "return to plotted course" is another must have IMO.

I just keep trawling the mods forum, we have to remember also that it's only been a week and that another patch might (should) be on it's way. The "out of the box" controls you are given to manouver the boat are very poor IMO