UBI DRM servers down, link to story

[Wulfmann]

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/22012.cfm?utm_source=newsletterENG&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20100311

Interesting that SH5 was cracked the first day and pirates were playing the game while paying customers could not play because of server problems.

Thanks UBI for being idiots that penalize honest customers in your ridiculous assumption of carpet bombing tactics to eradicate piracy all while the real pirates are in bomb prove bunkers.

As Bugs Bunny would say. What an Ultramoron

Well, at least those of us that are happy to pay can now buy the game and play without being online
I have never had a pirated game on my PC and firmly believe we all benefit by supporting the developers even when they are idiots as in this case as it does not give us the right to be thieves.
It does mean I can wait to buy the game until I can avoid DRM stupidity.
Imagine the brain power required to figure out this DRM was a good idea. If we could harness that energy we could light a single light bulb, dimly!!

Wulfmann

[Dowly]

Search function is an awesome thing. :yep:

[Nordmann]

Search function is an awesome thing. :yep:

When it works. ;)

[Dowly]

When it works. ;)

Touche. :haha:

Might aswell clear the misconception in the article (and many others). SH5 wasn't cracked on day 1, it was cracked, but as Ubi said it wasn't complete. However Assassin's Creed II was cracked almost immediately, even when Ubi said it wasn't a complete game, but the crack was the save game thingy that is now available for SH5 aswell.

So... nice DRM. :O:

[CV43]

We can play the game without being online now? :o

Please say yes!

[RSColonel_131st]

Not officially.

[urfisch]

We can play the game without being online now? :o

Please say yes!

yes, you can....but pssst. this is not officially...

;)

[IanC]

We can play the game without being online now? :o

Please say yes!

My lawyer won't allow me to answer that.

[robbo180265]

Would one of you nice chaps like to send me a PM? :D

[wetwarev7]

Originally Posted by CV43 http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1308608#post1308608)
We can play the game without being online now? :o

Please say yes!


yes, you can....but pssst. this is not officially...

;)

I had wondered why it seemed a bit more quiet around here.....:hmmm:

[IanC]

Would one of you nice chaps like to send me a PM? :D

Yea... how do I know you ain't no copper?

[Wulfmann]

Here lies the dilemma.

I can not play online if I wanted to. I am on dial up and my game PC is not connected to the internet at all.

I will gladly buy SH5 but not until I can play off line.

So, here is the funny part. The longer it takes me to get the No-CD the better the chance the game will be lower in price and UBI will make less money.

UBI will benefit more if I quickly work around their blatantly stupid idea DRM is anything but a display of morbid mental dysfunction.

Perhaps the next decision of such magnitude should be discussed at UBI headquarters by a new board of directors with better reasoning skills
A series of various rocks will certainly outsmart the last bunch that somehow though DRM was anything but moronic.

I am not asking anyone to tell me where to get a No-CD if it violates any policy here nor would I suggest you PM me a link to a No-CD if that violates any SUBSIM policy

Wulfmann

[CV43]

Would one of you nice chaps like to send me a PM? :D


Same for me as well. :D

[Dowly]

The save game thing bypasses the DRM, which is, AFAIK, illegal without the permission from the publisher, atleast in the States, where this forum is hosted.

So, better stop requesting it.

[robbo180265]

Yea... how do I know you ain't no copper?


Hmm yeah I see your problem. All I can do is assure you that I'm actually a postman :DL

[robbo180265]

The save game thing bypasses the DRM, which is, AFAIK, illegal without the permission from the publisher, atleast in the States, where this forum is hosted.

So, better stop requesting it.

I hear you loud and clear matey :salute:

[IanC]

Hmm yeah I see your problem. All I can do is assure you that I'm actually a postman :DL

That would explain the uniform eh.. :hmmm:

[robbo180265]

That would explain the uniform eh.. :hmmm:

And now I think about it - our uniform is blue ! :o

[Fincuan]

The save game thing bypasses the DRM,.

Not at all. A person who uses it just wishes to skip to the next campaign by modding his installation, and by doing so accidentally happens to bypass the DRM too. :O:

Situation hasn't changed from what it was 24h after release.

[Indietro]

Hah... Wulfman why have you bought the game if you knew DRM is a crap from the very begining ? I really hope you knew that, since talks about it were boiling in every corner in these forums when UBI announced it's going to be implemented :D I believe everybody made their minds very quickly when they found out what is this DRM thing and how it works.. Honest customers.. Honesty as itself is good thing so I'll be honest to you as well. Your honesty or trust was too blind and turned out to be your curse.. Now when I think about why most of the games are sold in US ? I think because there so many "Honest" people like no where else who buy the game no matter what hoping that everything will be ok, if not they sound the alarm but in the end the choice was made by them anyway, finally who's to blame ? lol.. So I guess it's such mentality out there over the ocean.. :) Now every thread about DRM malfunctions just makes me smile :D When **** starts to happen Honest customers more often keeps peeping in the wrong direction towards piracy to look for the way out, what a paradox isn't it ? :) So think about it again. Is it really bad to do bad things for good purposes or act a honest customer role and then curse all saints for what you are ? lol

[Wulfmann]

I have not bought SH5 and I will not buy it until I can get a No-CD exe so I can play without being online.
However, once I get a No-CD I will buy a legal copy and would not consider a pirated one even if I could DL one. Not right.

I am on dial up on this PC and my game PC is not online and will not be online so I can not play a DRM type game even if I wanted to.

I certainly want to play SH5 but I can wait because a stock version will need the usual 40 or 50 UBI fixes from their buggy release (Orkin will guarantee your home from termites but even they would not try to rid a UBI game of bugs).

I am confident the mods will eventually make this a very cool game and who knows UBI may even get a clue at some point and realize they are dumber than dumb for ever thinking about DRM.

They will never admit it that would take real character but they may release a NO-CD themselves at some point perhaps when someone that does not have their head stuck up their ars explains that they will profit more by doing so than by the current screw the legal customers attitude

Wulfmann

[GDFTigerTank]

Look I don't want to be a downer, and I understand WHY some of you want the crack for your legal copies. I admit considering it myself. But the thing you have to consider is what happens if Ubisoft pulls a Microsoft?

ex.

Lets say you download that working crack, even though you bought the game legally, and then you still connect occasionally to download their updates.

All Ubisoft has to do is, as part of an update, or as a part of all future updates, add in something that searches for that crack, and then if it finds it, permanently disables your game's ability to update and/or ban your CD key forver.

And then you'll have to rebuy Silent Hunter V to play it OR be forced to play from install 1.0 with no updates
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Can't happen?

Yes it can - this is EXACTLY what Microsoft did to XBox Live users who modded their Xboxes against the terms of use. Do you really want to take that chance?

[drtechno]

Look I don't want to be a downer, and I understand WHY some of you want the crack for your legal copies. I admit considering it myself. But the thing you have to consider is what happens if Ubisoft pulls a Microsoft?

ex.

Lets say you download that working crack, even though you bought the game legally, and then you still connect occasionally to download their updates.

All Ubisoft has to do is, as part of an update, or as a part of all future updates, add in something that searches for that crack, and then if it finds it, permanently disables your game's ability to update and/or ban your CD key forver.

And then you'll have to rebuy Silent Hunter V to play it OR be forced to play from install 1.0 with no updates
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Can't happen?

Yes it can - this is EXACTLY what Microsoft did to XBox Live users who modded their Xboxes against the terms of use. Do you really want to take that chance?

Difference is, XBOX users cannot restore their "pre-crack" files. When you want to update, you just copy back all your unpatched files so that it looks and updates as if nothing ever happened. Nothing Ubi can do to prevent that. All you have to do is then re-apply the NOCD crack (for the new version, of course). Its not rocket science. So stop the fear mongering that you will kill your purchase, because you won't. :know:

[KiwiVenge]

They will never admit it that would take real character but they may release a NO-CD themselves at some point perhaps when someone that does not have their head stuck up their ars explains that they will profit more by doing so than by the current screw the legal customers attitude.

I am almost certain there will be an official DRM removal tool at some point. Their options seem somewhat limited on the matter really.
They can run authentication servers for every game they make from now until dooms day. This doesn't make sense to me from a cost effective point of view. Running all those servers for all their games with this DRM is going to cost a lot considering there is no monthly fee.
Or they can run authentication servers for their new releases until it is apparent to them continuing new sales of the game gets outstripped by the overhead of running the authentication servers for this particular game. At that point they would need to release a DRM removal tool.

I guess there is one other thing they could do, and that is remove the auth servers for SH5 and not support it all from that point, but I really doubt they would do that.

[Wulfmann]

Anytime one wants to get a patch from UBI they can do a fresh install get the patch and then add the files back for mods. I did it for 3 &4.

One thing I agree with UBI on is the fact piracy is causing them to over react to protect themselves and I really do understand that fear.
I wish no one would pirate and while $50.00 US or so is not cheap consider it is going on 5 years I am playing (still) SH3.

I buy a few FPS and the old F1 2002 (new F1 2010 is coming out and I will likely spend a few hundred on a killer steering wheel) and of course was a mod maker (flame alert) for the best combat flight sim to date CFS3 (yes IL-2 was a better game just not accurate flight characteristics) so I am not a play it for a week/month and move on to the next game type of guy so I want to support the developers of such things as Silent Hunter.

I just wish UBI did not feel like it has to attack me to protect itself from people who are not me.

Wulfmann

[drtechno]

Yea.. If Ubi wants to see how a release is done, they should watch Codemasters release F1 2010 later this year. They are worried about ppl spending $50? How about people spending $500+ on F1 2010 getting their system souped up, top of the line wheels, plus the product.

[kylania]

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