View Full Version : Renown for manually returning to base?
Paul Riley
03-10-10, 10:10 AM
I apologize for asking what has probably been asked a thousand times now,but is there ANY benefit/bonus for bringing the UBoat back manually?,or is it ok to abort when satisfied you have done all you can in a patrol?,without being penalised I mean.
Thanks.
maillemaker
03-10-10, 10:13 AM
With 100% realism if you don't get within 25km of base before exiting you abandon your career. Sort of.
Steve
I believe the renown bonus for RTB was bugged in stock and wasn't fixed, so you can teleport without consequence, BUT, beyond a certain realism level (100% for sure) the teleport feature is disabled, only allowing you to abandon the career. I prefer having to return to base despite having no ammo left as sometimes you might get picked up by a destroyer, aircraft or convoy escorts and have to evade, just like I suspect they did in real life.
For me, the game doesn't end when I run out of weapons to fire. How you play is up to you.
Fader_Berg
03-10-10, 10:57 AM
If you manually bring it right back to the dock where you left from. You'll get a severe renown penalty, sentenced the "overdo divergence" punishment. All renown earned that patrol will be lost. The developers never did it, and no one else should either.
Done it twice... got to be a bug.
Paul Riley
03-10-10, 11:21 AM
Sorry,now i'm just confused.You get penalised for bringing it back as well as aborting mid sea? :06:
I also play at 92% realism.
Stuff it,i'll bring it back manually and park it in the nearest disabled bay.
Jimbuna
03-10-10, 11:49 AM
Paul....the renown for returning to base has NEVER worked, not only in GWX but also the stock/vanilla game.
Paul Riley
03-10-10, 12:21 PM
I couldnt remember Jim.There has always been confusion over this for as long as I can remember :-?
So I should be able to abort the patrol once I am satisfied that all I can do has been done.
Case closed (hopefully)
Because of a bug, ending the patrol within 30 km of the end base doesn't give you any renown (the game designers wanted it that way, but there's a bug and it has never been fixed, and it cannot unless you have the source code so no modder can fix it).
Jimbuna
03-10-10, 03:22 PM
I couldnt remember Jim.There has always been confusion over this for as long as I can remember :-?
So I should be able to abort the patrol once I am satisfied that all I can do has been done.
Case closed (hopefully)
Abort it wherever/whenever you want Paul, be it within 30km or any figure either side....the return to base renown has never worked mate.
maillemaker
03-10-10, 03:25 PM
Because of a bug, ending the patrol within 30 km of the end base doesn't give you any renown (the game designers wanted it that way, but there's a bug and it has never been fixed, and it cannot unless you have the source code so no modder can fix it).
Correction: Return to base does not give you any ADDITIONAL renown.
You still earn renown for sinking ships.
Steve
Henry Wood
03-10-10, 03:52 PM
I couldnt remember Jim.There has always been confusion over this for as long as I can remember :-?
So I should be able to abort the patrol once I am satisfied that all I can do has been done.
Case closed (hopefully)
Case re-opened :haha:
But if you abort your patrol just because you have no eels left it is not very realistic, is it? You are evading the dangerous journey home (especially if you are unarmed) and a lot of boats suffered on the homeward run. I often vary the in game realism depending on mood etc., but I never consider the patrol over until I have seen my boat safely back home. There is also the fuel angle to consider. Keeping an abort patrol option open means you can be casual with fuel use during the patrol. I've seen the odd patrols where I've done too many flank speed chases then the only way I could get home was to use slow on the surface then submerged as soon as batteries were charged even when out of range of Allied aircraft etc.
The Enigma
03-10-10, 03:56 PM
Correction: Return to base does not give you any ADDITIONAL renown.
You still earn renown for sinking ships.
Steve
I can confirm that.
I never have lost any "ship sinking renown" while teleporting back to base.
David I
03-10-10, 04:21 PM
The patrol isn't over until I can hear the band welcoming my boat back!
:salute:
David I
Jimbuna
03-10-10, 04:40 PM
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maillemaker
03-10-10, 05:01 PM
I just get bored puttering across the open ocean. The thing I'm mostly interested in is the action. :)
Plus my game-playing time is so precious I don't want to waste it.
Steve
Snestorm
03-11-10, 03:52 AM
Hmmm.
I've gotten the 100 Renown for returning to base . . . . sometimes.
Sometimes SH3 gives it to me, and sometimes it doesn't.
I've tryed to figure out why, but there seems to be no fixed rules.
How close I get to the pier, after crossing the 25 KM line, doesn't seem to matter either.
I just did bring my sub to the wilhelmshaven manually and docked it right there where i did started patrol. No renown loss.
Jimbuna
03-11-10, 06:51 AM
Hmmm.
I've gotten the 100 Renown for returning to base . . . . sometimes.
Sometimes SH3 gives it to me, and sometimes it doesn't.
I've tryed to figure out why, but there seems to be no fixed rules.
How close I get to the pier, after crossing the 25 KM line, doesn't seem to matter either.
I just did bring my sub to the wilhelmshaven manually and docked it right there where i did started patrol. No renown loss.
Please refer to posts #6 and #9
Snestorm
03-11-10, 07:00 AM
Please refer to posts #6 and #9
Done.
But I've inconsistantly gotten it. Fluke maybe?
Paul Riley
03-11-10, 08:35 AM
Good debate developing here.
Anyhow,I will probably bring my UBoat back manually just to retain realism,but this will also depend upon immediate mood and time availability to play the game.I have all weekend free so...we'll crack open the Becks and enjoy the return journey home,fuel permitting of course.I have 1 torpedo left and am sitting south about 50 miles SSE of the Shetlands.I have also been very fuel conscious (always am) being in a IIA I have cruised at no higher than 10kts,unless on an interception run at high speed.We have about 2800 - 3000km of fuel left :D
Henry Wood
03-11-10, 11:02 AM
Good debate developing here.
Anyhow,I will probably bring my UBoat back manually just to retain realism,but this will also depend upon immediate mood and time availability to play the game.I have all weekend free so...we'll crack open the Becks and enjoy the return journey home,fuel permitting of course.I have 1 torpedo left and am sitting south about 50 miles SSE of the Shetlands.I have also been very fuel conscious (always am) being in a IIA I have cruised at no higher than 10kts,unless on an interception run at high speed.We have about 2800 - 3000km of fuel left :D
Hi Paul, though I do always return to base manually it sometimes does involve some hefty time compression, I just feel it's not right to say, "Right boys, next instant we shall be home!" (Also, that Beck's bier does taste good after I have set course for home and dragged it out from under my bunk.)
Re 10 knots in a IIA - I only ever achieve that during a chase and never ever cruise at that speed. I am usually nursing my boat along at below standard because I know I must also get these guys home when the patrol is "over". I said earlier I often change realism settings but this mainly means regarding assistance in torpedo target/firing. Whatever realism I am using I always use realistic fuel, compressed air, repairs and the rest of it. I consider "cheating" on the torpedo firing is really me using my weapons bloke and the "available technology" to help me out, I think most Kaleuns did that though I could be well wrong.
But actually getting the boat out there, then vigorous attacking... attacking... attacking, like the handbook tells you, and then trying to safely get back home again is all down to me.
And it is very nice to open the schnapps in the nightclub when it is all over!:DL
Fader_Berg
03-11-10, 01:15 PM
I just did bring my sub to the wilhelmshaven manually and docked it right there where i did started patrol. No renown loss.
Lucky you... It has been two out of two for me.
Sailor Steve
03-11-10, 01:22 PM
Lucky you... It has been two out of two for me.
Were these 'First' patrols? If you use renown to buy anything before you start your first patrol you might not get any renown for sinking things that patrol.
Aside from that, I always return directly to the dock, and in five years I've never, not once, had my renown taken for it.
Paul Riley
03-11-10, 01:54 PM
Hi Paul, though I do always return to base manually it sometimes does involve some hefty time compression, I just feel it's not right to say, "Right boys, next instant we shall be home!" (Also, that Beck's bier does taste good after I have set course for home and dragged it out from under my bunk.)
Re 10 knots in a IIA - I only ever achieve that during a chase and never ever cruise at that speed. I am usually nursing my boat along at below standard because I know I must also get these guys home when the patrol is "over". I said earlier I often change realism settings but this mainly means regarding assistance in torpedo target/firing. Whatever realism I am using I always use realistic fuel, compressed air, repairs and the rest of it. I consider "cheating" on the torpedo firing is really me using my weapons bloke and the "available technology" to help me out, I think most Kaleuns did that though I could be well wrong.
But actually getting the boat out there, then vigorous attacking... attacking... attacking, like the handbook tells you, and then trying to safely get back home again is all down to me.
And it is very nice to open the schnapps in the nightclub when it is all over!:DL
Nice to meet you Henry :up:
Play it how you want mate,as long as you enjoy your experience,and there is nothing wrong with having assistance,real captains had officers to help them do their job,imagine a captain trying to run a boat on his own.
Personally,I have 92% realism,and most tweaks activated via commander except from the 'realistic career length',I like to get accustomed to my boat and men and dont fancy having to retire my career without my consent.
Experience also comes from how long you have played the game,for me since it came out in 2005 I think it was.You will get better slowly but surely :)
Schnapps,good beer,hearty food,sexy German women and plenty of rest,oh and a good shower! thats what i'm getting after my current patrol.
Paul.
Threesixtyci
03-11-10, 02:29 PM
If you manually bring it right back to the dock where you left from. You'll get a severe renown penalty, sentenced the "overdo divergence" punishment. All renown earned that patrol will be lost. The developers never did it, and no one else should either.
Done it twice... got to be a bug.
Was it the first patrol of a career? There is a bug in the game where if you modify the sub, before the first patrol renown for sunken ships isn't calculated.
So, if that's the case, you were punished long before the patrol began.
Jimbuna
03-11-10, 04:03 PM
If anyone feels cheated by the loss of renown they can simply calculate what the amount was and put it back in via the DeltaRenown method.
Fader_Berg
03-12-10, 07:53 AM
Was it the first patrol of a career? There is a bug in the game where if you modify the sub, before the first patrol renown for sunken ships isn't calculated.
So, if that's the case, you were punished long before the patrol began.
I can't recall...
I do come back each time before ending patrol.
I am missing that patrol renown.
I started with 500 renow, I'm at patrol 8 and up to patrol 7
all I have been able to gather from my type II is 500 renown.
I'm at 1000 and it's March 1940... I will never get the type VIIB
which requires 2500 renown :damn:
How much should we get each time we bring the boat back
to base ? How can I add the missing renown exactly ?
Was it the first patrol of a career? There is a bug in the game where if you modify the sub, before the first patrol renown for sunken ships isn't calculated.
So, if that's the case, you were punished long before the patrol began.
I think there are two bugs.
First one is the patrol date start. If you want to do modifications to your sub, you must do them just before starting a patrol or the starting date of patrol will not be calculated properly. Always do sub changes before going to a new patrol then.
The second bug I don't recall exactly. I think it is related to the first patrol. You must not do any change to the sub before going on first patrol. You go first patrol, come back. If you do any changes before going to first patrol I think you get 0 renown even if you sink ships.
Don't touch your sub before 2nd patrol. Only do changes before going on a patrol. not after.
Paul Riley
03-12-10, 08:34 AM
I knew about not modifying the game mid patrol and to only do it before a patrol,but I was unaware of problems arising before 1st patrol.I believe before my 1st patrol I installed 2 simple mods to my game,1 was a small moon mod,and the other was a mod that removed the metal rim from around the scopes.So far I have noticed no problem with my current game.
Thanks for the info though,it could prove more relevant with major game changes and not so much with small changes such as in my case.I have also just installed Racerboy's SH4 effects to my game and this was done (while still in the base screen) BEFORE I left port for patrol 2 :yep:
I would like to add the missing renown.
I have done 8 patrols and always brought my sub back
to base manually. How much renown should I add to my
current without cheating ?
Paul Riley
03-12-10, 09:48 AM
I would like to add the missing renown.
I have done 8 patrols and always brought my sub back
to base manually. How much renown should I add to my
current without cheating ?
About 1.000.000 ,go get that type XXI ! :woot:
Just kidding :88)
Jimbuna
03-12-10, 10:00 AM
I would like to add the missing renown.
I have done 8 patrols and always brought my sub back
to base manually. How much renown should I add to my
current without cheating ?
200 per return docking.
Threesixtyci
03-12-10, 12:54 PM
I knew about not modifying the game mid patrol and to only do it before a patrol,but I was unaware of problems arising before 1st patrol.I believe before my 1st patrol I installed 2 simple mods to my game,1 was a small moon mod,and the other was a mod that removed the metal rim from around the scopes.So far I have noticed no problem with my current game.
Thanks for the info though,it could prove more relevant with major game changes and not so much with small changes such as in my case.I have also just installed Racerboy's SH4 effects to my game and this was done (while still in the base screen) BEFORE I left port for patrol 2 :yep:
Nah, mods to SH3 don't really matter as far as lost renown. It's the in-game sub additions that we were talking about that you use renown points to buy.
The only rule about installing SH3 mods is to install them when you're at port and not during a patrol. Due to possible conflicts within the saved game.
Paul Riley
03-12-10, 01:03 PM
ok,thanks for that.
200 per return docking.
That's 1600. Added to my 1000, it's 2600
Gave me enough to get the VIIB for the 9th patrol !
Jimbuna
03-12-10, 03:26 PM
That's 1600. Added to my 1000, it's 2600
Gave me enough to get the VIIB for the 9th patrol !
SINK EM ALL!! http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif
I gave up command of U-22 to take command of U-99
Sailing to AN18 for U-99 first patrol (the boat is brand
new, first command since she is commissioned) and
we just learned from BdU U-22 is lost at sea on her
first patrol without me...
They will pay for this.
If you manually bring it right back to the dock where you left from. You'll get a severe renown penalty, sentenced the "overdo divergence" punishment. All renown earned that patrol will be lost. The developers never did it, and no one else should either.
Done it twice... got to be a bug.
Are you sure? Never heard that before...I had a bug twice when returning my career first patrol results weren't registered by the game and this is known bug (they did registered after i reloaded saved game and did re-dock) but now i have been manually docked several times, right in the pen just where i started, and got no any penalty.
Maybe you got some other bug? Maybe this same one that i had twice?
Fader_Berg
03-16-10, 09:39 AM
Are you sure? Never heard that before...I had a bug twice when returning my career first patrol results weren't registered by the game and this is known bug (they did registered after i reloaded saved game and did re-dock) but now i have been manually docked several times, right in the pen just where i started, and got no any penalty.
Maybe you got some other bug? Maybe this same one that i had twice?
I thought that the docking was the reason, because it happened the two times out of two I did it. If it works for you, I guess I'm wrong.
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