Goodbye SH5...Back to SH3 + Mod

[Lt_Werner]

Hi All
I played SH5 for week now. At my last patrol I was attacked by two escorts. I ordered a crash dive and thought.... mmh lets look outside to have a bit of Das Boot, Hollywood atmosphare :DL. I saw my uboot diving into large floating rocks. It dived straight through:haha:. The ocean was full of large floating rocks!?!? Actually that did it for me, plus all other bugs and design flaws i did put up with over the week. I cant play rubbish like that anymore. So back to SH3 + GWX Gold + SH Commander and what a dream simulation!!!!!!

[Indietro]

Right.. I'm also keeping SH5 at my PC only for mod testing feature. I will not even try to play the campaign and see all these bugs appearing cuz I know it will get on my nerves very quickly, so I'm just hanging out waiting for patches, following news on mods, waiting for something big to follow, giving a hope a feed ya know :)

[Noren]

Naw, those are'nt rocks. Thats large concentrations of fish! It's supposed to be this way... :nope:

[Drifter]

What?! You mean rocks don't float in real life? :o

SH4 also had those soft jello rocks you could drive though.

[Indietro]

Indeed they float. One floater on a shore: http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/7313/rockfish.jpg (http://img37.imageshack.us/i/rockfish.jpg/)

[Orbitchicken]

On a serious note, if you had seen the film Avatar you would know that big rocks do actually float. (based on a true story)

[himlaviz]

Some bugs can be funny, as long as they are fixed quickly.

Remember some game update in SWG when all the asteroids from the space sectors where hovering a few meters above ground on the planets. The 0.0 bug was also something you talk about with a love/hate memory, it took you to the center of the map, before speeders/mounts so that could mean a long long run back to where you was. If unlucky there was a spawn of nasties at 0.0 too :har:

The next patch will be very important for Silent Hunter 5.

[capthelm]

Hi All
I played SH5 for week now. At my last patrol I was attacked by two escorts. I ordered a crash dive and thought.... mmh lets look outside to have a bit of Das Boot, Hollywood atmosphare :DL. I saw my uboot diving into large floating rocks. It dived straight through:haha:. The ocean was full of large floating rocks!?!? Actually that did it for me, plus all other bugs and design flaws i did put up with over the week. I cant play rubbish like that anymore. So back to SH3 + GWX Gold + SH Commander and what a dream simulation!!!!!!

bye have fun on the dated graphics, they where once good.. sh3 lays in my used box now.

i am a firm believer of moving onward and upward...sh5 has the potential.

shaping up nicely with a lot of these mods.

[The Enigma]

Welcome back to the SH3 clan :DL

[Mud]

I´ve played SH3 for 5 years but now it´s time to move on.
You can´t compare a full modded SH3 with a stock SH5.
Play stock SH3 for a week then tell me how good it is .

Mud

[piri_reis]

See you later guys

[McHibbins]

See you later guys

Hehehe...good....:up:

[The Enigma]

So you all are returning to SH3 :O:

[Commie]

bye have fun on the dated graphics, they where once good.. sh3 lays in my used box now.

i am a firm believer of moving onward and upward...sh5 has the potential.

shaping up nicely with a lot of these mods.

I hear H.A.W.X. has better graphics than Il-2 Sturmovik, so that makes it a better flight sim right? Thief 3 had better graphics that 1 and 2 so that made it better? Deus Ex 2 looked better than Deus Ex, so was better? Bioshock looked better than System Shock 2 so was better?

Funny, wouldn't have thought that sub simmers were graphic whores.

[Lt_Werner]

The graphics in SH3 are not to bad, well yes SH5 is far superior in that respect. But good graphics dont make necessarily a good game. And at the moment SH3 + Mods is ahead of SH5. SH5 has alot of potential and hopefully it will be patched up by UBI soon:hmmm:. And then yes it is time to move on...Maybe Ubisoft got mixed up between Avatar(Ubisoft game) and SH5 that can explain the floating rocks:haha:

[Iron Budokan]

I hear H.A.W.X. has better graphics than Il-2 Sturmovik, so that makes it a better flight sim right? Thief 3 had better graphics that 1 and 2 so that made it better? Deus Ex 2 looked better than Deus Ex, so was better? Bioshock looked better than System Shock 2 so was better?

Funny, wouldn't have thought that sub simmers were graphic whores.

For some people eye candy is all it takes. It appears this game is perfect for them on that score alone.

[jaxa]

It's difficult to compare SH3 with GWX to SH5. But playing SH5 I can find only one thing better than in SH3/GWX - graphic. SH3/GWX is the best u-boot simulation ever made. It will be fantastic to incorporate SH5 graphic to complex detailed SH3/GWX - succes guaranted. I don't like many things in SH5, but we have to give a chance - mods are created all time, I'm sure special mega mod for SH5 will change this game as GWX changed SH3 for another game.

[McHibbins]

For some people eye candy is all it takes. It appears this game is perfect for them on that score alone.

Not all it takes but a big immersion factor i think. I voted SH5 for bad in another thread thinking of SH3 is still the better sim until Mods and patches are going to fix it.

[janh]

But good graphics dont make necessarily a good game.

No, really? I would have guessed that... Curious: What would you prefer: a good game mechanics and feature with a 2-3 year graphics engine (SHIII), or a 2010 graphics engine with a simple game concept?

[FIREWALL]

If SH5 had shortcuts like SH3 &4 it would still be installed.

It got old fast for me walking all over the sub to DO anything.

When I press F4 I want to be on the bridge, P I'm in front of Peri and so on...

I just wanted the Option.

[141st_Alper]

Guys i have a question. I played sh2 and then sh4. Never tryed SH3 + GWX Mod. Should i try it before i continue playing SH5? Im already dont wanna play to much sh5 at the moment while it loaded with bugs and such things. Maybe i should try SH3 + GWX.

[The Enigma]

Guys i have a question. I played sh2 and then sh4. Never tryed SH3 + GWX Mod. Should i try it before i continue playing SH5? Im already dont wanna play to much sh5 at the moment while it loaded with bugs and such things. Maybe i should try SH3 + GWX.

YEP, shelve sh5 for a while and start playing sh3 + gwx gold.
You won't regret it. :rock:

[Turbografx]

bye have fun on the dated graphics, they where once good.. sh3 lays in my used box now.

i am a firm believer of moving onward and upward...sh5 has the potential.

shaping up nicely with a lot of these mods.


A good game can transcend dated graphics. As Dryden wrote:

For you may palm upon us new for old:
All, as they say, that glitters, is not gold.

or Lydgate:
All is not golde that outward shewith bright

[Chromius]

I have played these sims since Gato, sublogic FS throughout the SH series and though this is pretty but its quite flawed, as the years go by I expected the SIMULATION elements to improve, smarter AI, detailed ship and sub damage with real effects, maybee ocean currents and real weather patterns, fluid dynamics, but not graphics over Sim. How about damage modeling more akin to IL-2 aircraft but for ships?

Funny I had the same arguments of the Graphics over true Simulation features at 1c on WoP vs BoB/Sow, WoP is pretty but not a true simulation for me and many others. Creating these games for the masses is taking us backwards, I mean what the hell, Papyrus made the last real racing sim how many years ago? Grid/Dirt 2 = Arcadish. Dragon Age Origins vs Baldurs Gate, once again graphics over a good rpg a genre gone backwards. I guess everything is catered to console gamers and people who like american idol = gene pool going the way of the movie "Idiocracy". (A must see movie, comedy cult classic)

SH5 appears to be an excellent graphics engine for the modders to turn into a decent sim, which is the only thing that gives me hope that SH5 will be a great Sim one day, sure theres a few new features but it appears that many other features were dropped. Lets not even bother to fix AI ships running aground into docks and blowing up, lets not fix stuck crew watch lets dumb down ship damage. We have a beautifully detailed sub, lets not bother to make a few more working gauges.

All in all I have been quite frustrated with it, after getting over the sub interior and graphics, and have gotten over the new TDC, after leaving a port and seeing my ships on fire in the harbours in the canal, then attacking a ship that in no way takes damage realistically, seeing the most crappy damage explosions (yes graphics, Im a hypocrite.), these are the silly things that ruin it. And I am tired of unfinished products, I swear it is getting worse not better, I dont pay for internet to use it to dl major bug patchs and scour 3-4 forums to see when my next game fixing patch will be released!!!!!!!!!! I mean subsim should be getting a kickback from Ubisoft, because you need mods here to make the game playable, how sad we have to come here for keybinds to support needed features and a damn compass, never mind the morale ect... I could have been happy with a 39-43 campaign and subs and 43 + being an addon if they had just got some of these simple things fixed (or not so simple) I would even prefer my modded SH4 w/RFB/RSRD ect... over this, never mind if you need a U-Boat SH3/GWX3 is probably better as an overall simulation. (#1 Immersion breaker, DRM and not being able to connect after you come home psyched to play.)

I just bought AoD to play till HOI3 is finally working, which I payed full price for when released and am still playing betas and reporting bugs on that but thats another story.

More coffee, good morning Vietnam

[dogfish]

Funny I had the same arguments of the Graphics over true Simulation features at 1c on WoP vs BoB/Sow, WoP is pretty but not a true simulation for me and many others. Creating these games for the masses is taking us backwards, I mean what the hell, Papyrus made the last real racing sim how many years ago? Grid/Dirt 2 = Arcadish. Dragon Age Origins vs Baldurs Gate, once again graphics over a good rpg a genre gone backwards. I guess everything is catered to console gamers and people who like american idol = gene pool going the way of the movie "Idiocracy". (A must see movie, comedy cult classic)

I completely agree with your whole post... Me and my brother refer to it as "consolization".

Dragon Age got so many good reviews, and it had a good story, but to me it was a huge step backwards from Baldurs Gate 2. I played as a Mage, and the spell system is so simplified. There are 12 or whatever different "schools" with 4 spells each, and many of them are so similar... Ice/Fire/Lightning Dart/Cone/Ball/Storm. Some of the design choices just seem so lazy and formulaic...

That's not why I'm replying here though... I am replying because you mentioned old Papyrus racing games... and I thought you might be interested to know that the man behind all of those is one of the main guys behind iracing.com... I signed up a couple of months ago, and it's good! :yep: Just got promoted from my rookie licenses to my D licenses on both oval and road! There are a few racing engines (rFactor, maybe netKar, I haven't tried them, going by what others say.. I have played GTR2 and it might be) that may be slightly more realistic, but the way iracing weaves in the whole multiplayer environment with it is fantastic.

There are no AI cars, all online with other people... and the way to get promoted is to drive safe and get a good safety rating, not finish first, so good incentives there. They even have a sanctioning body (FIRST) to oversee everything, where people can file protests against people driving maliciously or using profanity. Lots of pros are on there and say it's good and they use it to learn tracks and save money on tires... the pro oval series on iRacing is even an official NASCAR series! (Go to nascar.com and mouse over the standings button :D Dale Earnhardt Jr, my Carolina Club mate, unfortunately is down to #23 in the standings there but he missed the second week's race I think)

I'll stop there because it's starting to sound like an ad for them, but I have fun with it and many aren't aware of it unfortunately.. and you mentioned Papyrus games and it read like you might not be aware of iracing... also, a bit cheesy for me to include this, but they do have a referral program (I would still be making this same post if they didn't), so if you don't mind taking an extra minute or two to help someone else get some free credit, then please PM me for my email address. :O: It will help my quest to be able to participate in the late model or truck series next season!

[Lt_Werner]

No, really? I would have guessed that... Curious: What would you prefer: a good game mechanics and feature with a 2-3 year graphics engine (SHIII), or a 2010 graphics engine with a simple game concept?

I am a hardcore simmer. I prefer game mechanics over graphics but thats a matter of personal taste. I am still confident that with patches and mods SH5 will turn into a decent game.

[Sailor Steve]

SH3/GWX is the best u-boot simulation ever made.
Not even close. GWX and NYGM both fix a lot of the problems, but not all can be fixed, and what everyone says sets GWX ahead of the others is...the graphics! So don't say it's the best or that gameplay is the reason, because...

I am a hardcore simmer. I prefer game mechanics over graphics but thats a matter of personal taste. I am still confident that with patches and mods SH5 will turn into a decent game.
If that's really true then both of you should be playing Aces Of The Deep. The graphics are now very dated, but the gameplay is still unsurpassed. it even has wolfpacks!:sunny:

[Juliano]

Aces Of The Deep

Aw man... that takes me back........... I was just a kid back then
I remember like it was yesterday.... staring at the map and holding the manual and learning about the game and u-boats.
When I played the game I realy felt like I WAS there in the sub.

I remember even learning about setting attacks like Otto Kretschmer.
The videos with the captains and crew talking how it was to be there where JUST GREAT.

Saddly, I don´t have the game anymore. Lost it way back when I moved out of town :cry:

[Exakt]

A good game can transcend dated graphics. As Dryden wrote:



or Lydgate:

True, another game, which ain't a subsim, but rather a space "sim" is FreeSpace 2 and get it running with the Souce Code Project's FSOpen and you will see how a more than a decade old game engine can still compete with new ones...

[Kpt. Lehmann]

...and what everyone says sets GWX ahead of the others is...the graphics!

Bite your tongue with the sweeping generalization man! As with ANY game and/or mod... the graphics are simply what gets noticed first. (Obviously... because you can see them.)

Normally I keep quiet about all the comparisons of this or that to GWX... but I gotta say I'm rather shocked seeing you post this kind of stuff. You know better than most, just how much work we put into the gynormous GWX campaign, physics, AI sensitivities, damage models, weapon damage vs. damage models etc etc etc.

Wow Steve. Totally underwhelming there. :shifty:

[JScones]

Yeah, gotta say, I had the same initial reaction when I read SS's comment. I may be a bit too close to GWX, but I would never say that the graphics are what puts GWX ahead of the others. In fact, IMHO, WAC has prettier graphics.

GWX fixes a lot of things under the hood, that could easily be "lost" amongst its "pretty graphics", but I guarantee they would be noticed if they weren't there. Graphics won't get you to South East Asia, The Black Sea etc and so on.

Sometimes it's the things you don't see that actually make the greatest impact.

And this is a shame. I remember when I first released SH3Cmdr. It was met with a lukewarm reception. So Beery and I decided to throw some screenshots of pretty, but unrelated, ships into one of the release threads. The rest is history...

[Sailor Steve]

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not dismissing GWX in any way, shape or form. I stood up for GWX when people were saying it was just a graphics mod. But I have to ask: Is the AI in GWX better than any other? Is the way the u-boats handle better than any other? The people who stand by NYGM do so for a reason, and it ain't because of the way it looks!

Call it my opinion if you want, but when I play, I play GWX almost exclusively, and I do so mainly because of the cool stuff to see more than any other reason. Take it that way if you like, but what I said was not a put-down at all, and I stand by it.

Also, it might be a good idea to read the posts I was addressing. Context is everything.

[Drednots]

I play once in a while until I get frustrated. Then I jump over to play SH4 and its like a feeling of relief that everything works. For now I will play SH4 mainly until the bugs are out and modders turn it into something more enjoyable. Maybe you guys should petition Ubisoft for a portion of their profits for fixing and completing the game ..:O:

[UberMatz]

So you all are returning to SH3 :O:

I'm not. SH3 was awesome... after it was modded to the hilt. When I look at SH5's outstanding graphics and models, and imagine it modded to the hilt. For me SH5 is where I'll spend my time at sea. :arrgh!:

UberMatz

[Commie]

Aw man... that takes me back........... I was just a kid back then
I remember like it was yesterday.... staring at the map and holding the manual and learning about the game and u-boats.
When I played the game I realy felt like I WAS there in the sub.

I remember even learning about setting attacks like Otto Kretschmer.
The videos with the captains and crew talking how it was to be there where JUST GREAT.

Saddly, I don´t have the game anymore. Lost it way back when I moved out of town :cry:

Hate to say it, but well...you CAN still get it. I had Command Aces back in the day and stupidly sold it when I thought that games would keep getting better and better and so no need to keep the old ones:doh::shifty: What a fool, eh?

[Atributri74]

Hi All
I played SH5 for week now. At my last patrol I was attacked by two escorts. I ordered a crash dive and thought.... mmh lets look outside to have a bit of Das Boot, Hollywood atmosphare :DL. I saw my uboot diving into large floating rocks. It dived straight through:haha:. The ocean was full of large floating rocks!?!? Actually that did it for me, plus all other bugs and design flaws i did put up with over the week. I cant play rubbish like that anymore. So back to SH3 + GWX Gold + SH Commander and what a dream simulation!!!!!!

I agree 110%. Back to sh3 + gwx.

[Wilcke]

SH3 has been off the HD for many months now as SH4 with OM covers the ATO very well.

I am well into a SH5 career and all I can say is that in spite of a list of 'wants' this thing is awesome! I really like the new concept and how it all meshes.

As for an DRM related connection issues I have yet to experience them. I believe the days there were issues I was busy with other matters and was working with the single missions late at night.

Overall I give it a 8/10. This is a departure on what the 'community' is used to, and as always expectations were not met on many fronts. But that does not discount the fact that this is truly a gem in the rought.

But even so its delivering entertainment and fun. I am running with only a mod for AI sensor and Sub physics.

[perisher]

To quote one of the greatest sailors of all time, "I've stood all I can stands and I can't stands no more!"

The modders have done a great job of making the thing workable but the AI is just driving me nuts.

Enemy merchants in the Kiel Canal.

RAF night patrols by Hawker Hurricanes, that never spot you in daylight!

DDs that ignore you, even when you just sunk one of their buddies.

Getting rammed by a destroyer and suffering absolutely no damage.

Someone drops a d/c a mile away and I take 60% damage, crew screaming "Flooding is out of control!" when system panel says no flooding, Engineer who gives lecture on staff motivation when asked to repair damage. Damage not repaired in port, but after logging out and back in again, all damge repaired and 1500 extra renown points.

Sight enemy sub on surface, conduct perfect end around, as I get into firing position enemy sub turns away and its back end submerges while the front stays afloat. TDC will not recognise target, which is now doing about 12 knots away from me. Surface and try to engage with gun. Gun will only hold target for two rounds at a time. Unable to get range, man gun myself and actually hit the sub, which dives. Crash dive myself, sound man cannot pick up enemy. Try sonar myself and CTD.:damn:

This is beyond a joke. I'm gone now until the next patch, when I'll try again, but I don't hold much hope.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not dismissing GWX in any way, shape or form. I stood up for GWX when people were saying it was just a graphics mod. But I have to ask: Is the AI in GWX better than any other? Is the way the u-boats handle better than any other? The people who stand by NYGM do so for a reason, and it ain't because of the way it looks!

Call it my opinion if you want, but when I play, I play GWX almost exclusively, and I do so mainly because of the cool stuff to see more than any other reason. Take it that way if you like, but what I said was not a put-down at all, and I stand by it.

Also, it might be a good idea to read the posts I was addressing. Context is everything.

Well, I did read the posts prior to yours... but my apologies for the misunderstanding all the same.

Stupid text. I've met you. Your don't say stuff just to be a jerk.

Cheers mate.:up:

[Nordmann]

I'm currently playing SH3 + GWX3 (bloody fantastic mod by the way), while I wait for Ubi to do something about their damned Ucan'tplay rubbish (here's hoping). While I like SH4, it's just not the same.

[Drifter]

To quote one of the greatest sailors of all time, "I've stood all I can stands and I can't stands no more!"

The modders have done a great job of making the thing workable but the AI is just driving me nuts.

Enemy merchants in the Kiel Canal.

RAF night patrols by Hawker Hurricanes, that never spot you in daylight!

DDs that ignore you, even when you just sunk one of their buddies.

Getting rammed by a destroyer and suffering absolutely no damage.

Someone drops a d/c a mile away and I take 60% damage, crew screaming "Flooding is out of control!" when system panel says no flooding, Engineer who gives lecture on staff motivation when asked to repair damage. Damage not repaired in port, but after logging out and back in again, all damge repaired and 1500 extra renown points.

Sight enemy sub on surface, conduct perfect end around, as I get into firing position enemy sub turns away and its back end submerges while the front stays afloat. TDC will not recognise target, which is now doing about 12 knots away from me. Surface and try to engage with gun. Gun will only hold target for two rounds at a time. Unable to get range, man gun myself and actually hit the sub, which dives. Crash dive myself, sound man cannot pick up enemy. Try sonar myself and CTD.:damn:

This is beyond a joke. I'm gone now until the next patch, when I'll try again, but I don't hold much hope.

I'm not completely defending SH5 in it's current state, but most of what you just mentioned can be totally corrected through mods.

[The Enigma]

I think, for many first adopters, it's a bit too early to play the game in it's current state.

Perhaps for them it isn't such a bad decision to let SH5 for what it is and give it some time to let SH5 grow.

[Rafael]

I think, for many first adopters, it's a bit too early to play the game in it's current state.

I totally agree! Now playing SH5 ... bad weather and crew has 'normal' clothes, :stare: ...

Were is my grid map? Ubi forgot this one too. And a "normal" speed or course setting dials?

And there is much more I could write about this incomplete game.

As stated above, better wait for our subsim modders. They probably will finish the game as it should be.

Ubi thought about graphics in SH5, that's all. Real realism is gone ...

[SteelViking]

I totally agree! Now playing SH5 ... bad weather and crew has 'normal' clothes, :stare: ...

Were is my grid map? Ubi forgot this one too. And a "normal" speed or course setting dials?

And there is much more I could write about this incomplete game.

As stated above, better wait for our subsim modders. They probably will finish the game as it should be.

Ubi thought about graphics in SH5, that's all. Real realism is gone ...

@ Everyone with negative remarks regarding SH5,

Please go check the download section, and maybe leaf through the modding forum before posting more negative stuff about SH5. With the patches, and the huge amount of work that has already been done by us, SH5 is perfectly playable and in my opinion quite enjoyable. Sure, there is still much work to be done, but we are working on it every day, and every day things get better.

I am sorry Rafeal, I have nothing against you personally, I am just getting sick and tired of people saying that SH5 as it stands is unplayable. You are right that the modders will complete the came, but saying you should wait right now basically tells us that everything done up until now is not good enough for you.

[robbo180265]

@ Everyone with negative remarks regarding SH5,

Please go check the download section, and maybe leaf through the modding forum before posting more negative stuff about SH5. With the patches, and the huge amount of work that has already been done by us, SH5 is perfectly playable and in my opinion quite enjoyable. Sure, there is still much work to be done, but we are working on it every day, and every day things get better.

I am sorry Rafeal, I have nothing against you personally, I am just getting sick and tired of people saying that SH5 as it stands is unplayable. You are right that the modders will complete the came, but saying you should wait right now basically tells us that everything done up until now is not good enough for you.

I wholeheartedly agree with you Steelviking.


Thread necrophilia for teh win:yeah:

[Nisgeis]

Thread necro*cough*for teh win:yeah:

I was going to say something about necro posting, but I was going to wait four months to do it. I'm sure it was necro posting you meant and not that other word that means that other thing.

[robbo180265]

I was going to say something about necro posting, but I was going to wait four months to do it. I'm sure it was necro posting you meant and not that other word that means that other thing.

:o:o:o

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means:oops::har:

[Capt.Kronos]

SH5 punched me in the face and said you cant win your the bad guy

but really why the hell did they change it from the tryed and trusted coding of SH3 & 4 to this new way of playing i dnt understand it

also i can stand the fact ever cargo ship i come across has a naval gun aimed at my forehead

the war only just started MN trying to kill me

[Hartmann]

SH V need one year or more to stay at the same level of Sh 3 + GWX

Three examples:

Aditional submarines
Campaign after 1943 or distant grid patrols
Aditional merchant ships or units

and no mention about constan internet conection... :dead: Poor Ia, Bugs..

Sh3 and sh4 gives to the subsimmer the best overall perspective about the submarine war during WWII

[Rafael]

I am sorry Rafeal, I have nothing against you personally, I am just getting sick and tired of people saying that SH5 as it stands is unplayable. You are right that the modders will complete the came, but saying you should wait right now basically tells us that everything done up until now is not good enough for you.

I understand you. And made some mods myself for SH3. However, to release an incomplete game (shooter in my opinion) is quite frustrating.

I have sunk in two patrols 250.000 ton? Using my torpedoes and deck-gun. :down:

That's why I see it (at the moment), as a shooter instead as a simulation game.

BTW: I appreciate all the work the modders have done. :yep:

My mods page (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/member.php?u=246585) here at subsim ... meaning I understand the hard work of modders.

[marleymen]

SH V need one year or more to stay at the same level of Sh 3 + GWX

Three examples:

Aditional submarines
Campaign after 1943 or distant grid patrols
Aditional merchant ships or units

and no mention about constan internet conection... :dead: Poor Ia, Bugs..

Sh3 and sh4 gives to the subsimmer the best overall perspective about the submarine war during WWII

(sorry for my bad english, I expect you understand me)

When you say poor IA, do you know there is AI MOD by TDW that makes IA 99% better?

I´m agree with SailorSteve. You talk about SH5 is crap or anything .. but .. do you know the latest advances with Mods? Have you looked at the SH5 Mod Section before ?

Thanks

[robbo180265]

SH V need one year or more to stay at the same level of Sh 3 + GWX

Three examples:

Aditional submarines the guys are working on it
Campaign after 1943 or distant grid patrols
Aditional merchant ships or units the guys are working on it

and no mention about constan internet conection It's on the box and over all the adverts dude... :dead: Poor Iathe guys a have pretty much cracked it , Bugs.. the guys are working on it , but have pretty much cracked it

Sh3 and sh4 gives to the subsimmer the best overall perspective about the submarine war during WWII

As was posted earlier - ignoring the amazing work our modders have done (in four months or so) to this game is doing them a great disservice.

You should buy the game, install the mods, then maybe - you'll know what you are talking about, and if you already have the game? Then you can't have tried the mods out there.

Sure it's not perfect, it's not like a supermodded SH3 for sure, but it also is no-where near as bad as you've just said.

[longam]

As was posted earlier - ignoring the amazing work our modders have done (in four months or so) to this game is doing them a great disservice.

You should buy the game, install the mods, then maybe - you'll know what you are talking about, and if you already have the game? Then you can't have tried the mods out there.

Sure it's not perfect, it's not like a supermodded SH3 for sure, but it also is no-where near as bad as you've just said.

Didn't you know roobo, GWX was developed one week after SH3 was on the market. :up:

I'm really getting into SH5 with the improvements of the mods.

[Takeda Shingen]

Didn't you know roobo, GWX was developed one week after SH3 was on the market. :up:

No, it was 72 hours. Duh.

[Hartmann]

(sorry for my bad english, I expect you understand me)

When you say poor IA, do you know there is AI MOD by TDW that makes IA 99% better?

I´m agree with SailorSteve. You talk about SH5 is crap or anything .. but .. do you know the latest advances with Mods? Have you looked at the SH5 Mod Section before ?

Thanks

Yes i know the mod, i was talking about stock ShV

As was posted earlier - ignoring the amazing work our modders have done (in four months or so) to this game is doing them a great disservice.

You should buy the game, install the mods, then maybe - you'll know what you are talking about, and if you already have the game? Then you can't have tried the mods out there.

Sure it's not perfect, it's not like a supermodded SH3 for sure, but it also is no-where near as bad as you've just said.

No, i not ignore the modders work, it´s a great work , and i said

"SH V need one year or more to stay at the same level of Sh 3 + GWX"

because it requires a lot of time for modders fix and make upgrades. i don´t expect any movement of UBI

[robbo180265]

Yes i know the mod, i was talking about stock ShV



No, i not ignore the modders work, it´s a great work , and i said

"SH V need one year or more to stay at the same level of Sh 3 + GWX"

because it requires a lot of time for modders fix and make upgrades. i don´t expect any movement of UBI


But the stuff you quoted was so untrue? - read my earlier post

[Ducimus]

SH V need one year or more to stay at the same level of Sh 3 + GWX



I'd say at least 1.5 years assuming you have a team of dedicated people working on it. More then likely, longer then 1.5 years. Maybe 2, maybe more. I don't think very many people realize just how much you have to reload the game as a modder when doing certain things. You make a tweak, save the file, start the game, wait for it toload to the menu, start a mission and wait for loading, see the result. exit game, make tweak, start the game, load.. etc etc. DRM on top of that makes this a screaming PAIN IN THE ASS! It's tedious as it is already, DRM compounds this issue even more.

Didn't you know roobo, GWX was developed one week after SH3 was on the market. :up:
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No, it was 72 hours. Duh.

I wonder how many people around here remember SH3 before super mods. Comparetively though, an unmodded SH3 wasn't as bad as an unmodded SH4/Sh5. It did spend longer in development then it's successors.

At any rate , i think people are impatient. I have the impression they want a fully modded SH3 with prettier graphics right out of the box. Personally, after giving SH5 two "college tries", i find im quite content with SH4, with SH5 residing as shelf fodder for the next couple years while the SH5 modders climb mount Everest.

[DavyJonesFootlocker]

No, they were big floating BUGS!

[SteelViking]

I understand you. And made some mods myself for SH3. However, to release an incomplete game (shooter in my opinion) is quite frustrating.
I have sunk in two patrols 250.000 ton? Using my torpedoes and deck-gun. :down:
That's why I see it (at the moment), as a shooter instead as a simulation game.
BTW: I appreciate all the work the modders have done. :yep:
My mods page (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/member.php?u=246585) here at subsim ... meaning I understand the hard work of modders.

Firstly, thank you for a cool headed and fair response(too many times have rediculous arguments broken out on the general SH5 forum).

However, I remember in SHIII pre-GWX getting around 200,000 tons in two patrols, which is not far off. I have to say that 4 months after SHIII was released, it was almost if not just as bad as SH5 is right now. I am sorry if others disagree with this(however most people here probably don't even know what it was like). BTW, I was using GWX mods way before I joined Subsim, so don't let that fool you.

Lastly, I appreciate that you have contibuted to the subsim community by way of modding, it is a noble deed.:salute:

As was posted earlier - ignoring the amazing work our modders have done (in four months or so) to this game is doing them a great disservice.
You should buy the game, install the mods, then maybe - you'll know what you are talking about, and if you already have the game? Then you can't have tried the mods out there.
Sure it's not perfect, it's not like a supermodded SH3 for sure, but it also is no-where near as bad as you've just said.

Thank you. I have found that the vast majority of people who post negative remarks about SH5 do not even own it. And, when they do own it, it seems like they have not put any effort into finding the right mods.

Yes i know the mod, i was talking about stock ShV

No, i not ignore the modders work, it´s a great work , and i said

"SH V need one year or more to stay at the same level of Sh 3 + GWX"

because it requires a lot of time for modders fix and make upgrades. i don´t expect any movement of UBI

Ok, let me get this straight, you don't ignore the modders work, but you just compared stock SH5 to SHIII+GWX:doh:. That does not make any sense at all. Please at least take into account all existing mods for SH5 before making a comparison to other subsims with their respective mods.

I admit that SHIII+GWX is better than SH5 in many ways. All my main point is that saying SH5 is unplayable is ridiculous. Also, comparing a game that we have only had 4 months to work on to a game that has had half a decade is not fair to anyone.

I'd say at least 1.5 years assuming you have a team of dedicated people working on it. More then likely, longer then 1.5 years. Maybe 2, maybe more. I don't think very many people realize just how much you have to reload the game as a modder when doing certain things. You make a tweak, save the file, start the game, wait for it toload to the menu, start a mission and wait for loading, see the result. exit game, make tweak, start the game, load.. etc etc. DRM on top of that makes this a screaming PAIN IN THE ASS! It's tedious as it is already, DRM compounds this issue even more.

I wonder how many people around here remember SH3 before super mods. Comparetively though, an unmodded SH3 wasn't as bad as an unmodded SH4/Sh5. It did spend longer in development then it's successors.

At any rate , i think people are impatient. I have the impression they want a fully modded SH3 with prettier graphics right out of the box. Personally, after giving SH5 two "college tries", i find im quite content with SH4, with SH5 residing as shelf fodder for the next couple years while the SH5 modders climb mount Everest.

Well said, well said indeed.:salute:

[Sailor Steve]

:o:o:o

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means:oops::har:
:rock:

Though the last time I pulled that one I ended up having do give a lengthy reference with YouTube liniks. :dead:

[Rafael]

@ SteelViking: Never forget mate, that it's difficult to express yourself in another language. In this specific case English.

Hartmann isn't a native English speaker/writer ... neither am I ... and sometimes it can cause misunderstanding.

Cheers! :salute:

[SteelViking]

:rock:

Though the last time I pulled that one I ended up having do give a lengthy reference with YouTube liniks. :dead:

:hmmm: Sailor Steve, you wouldn't happen to have six fingers on your right hand would you?

[Sailor Steve]

:hmmm: Sailor Steve, you wouldn't happen to have six fingers on your right hand would you?
"To the death, then?"

"No, to the pain."

[Sailor Steve]

@ SteelViking: Never forget mate, that it's difficult to express yourself in another language. In this specific case English.

Hartmann isn't a native English speaker/writer ... neither am I ... and sometimes it can cause misunderstanding.

Cheers! :salute:
A good point, and one we all could do well to remember.

Thank you for the reminder. :sunny:

[SteelViking]

@ SteelViking: Never forget mate, that it's difficult to express yourself in another language. In this specific case English.

Hartmann isn't a native English speaker/writer ... neither am I ... and sometimes it can cause misunderstanding.

Cheers! :salute:

Ah, I see. I am sorry if I offended anyone, especially if I misunderstood what you were actually saying. It's just that I get so tired of people only stating the negative things about SH5. I guess I should just stop reading the general SH5 forum, doom and gloom is all that is talked about here(though I absolutely cannot understand why other than the DRM), where as the modding forum is always upbeat.

[Hooch]

Well as a newcomer to this forum and this game I must admit I am really enjoying SH5.
I played SH4 for a week when decided to get SH5, why, oddly enough realism. I wanted a game where I could walk around my boat. Plus reading on the forums revealed the extent of the work the modders had done for the game.
some of the issues that where mentioned have been fixed up now and the game is to me so far proving itself.
examples.
intelligent IA, Ships sinking realistically, got rid of the firework explosions, damage assessment to slow down damaged ships. graphics updates, realistic interiors and exteriors.
realistic sub stats, ie dive and crush depth, now with campaign lite more realistic tonnage (ie in two missions you won't sink as much tonnage as one of the top u boat aces for the entire war.
oh and weather as well.
TDW's ui mods also make it fun and easy to play as you can select an updated sh5 or a sh4 or 3 ui.
So running this game down without taking the time to play it with the current set of mods is just, well as we say here in aus lame.

[tonschk]

Silent Hunter 3 is Total RUBBISH :88)

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[robbo180265]

Silent Hunter 3 is Total RUBBISH :88)

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Do you enjoy annoying people tonschk?

Just because you don't like Silent Hunter 3 doesn't mean it's rubbish. Have a look on the Silent Hunter 3 forums and see how many people (including myself) are still enjoying playing it.

And then grow up.........:nope:

[Sailor Steve]

Silent Hunter 3 is Total RUBBISH :88)

.
We would all appreciate it if you actually tried to contribute to a conversation rather than just shouting out your opinion. On several occasions I or someone else has noted both good and bad about SH5, and said it's a "diamond in the rough" or something similar, and you have leaped on only the good and said something akin to "I agree! It's wonderful!" Cheerleading is nice, but it does no more good than blatant attempts to trash, which is what you just did here.

Since you said it, please explain, in detail, how SH3 is total rubbish. Remember, you're talking to someone who still thinks Aces Of The Deep is the premiere submarine simulator, the one others have to measure up to, and by your standards (which seem to assert that graphics make a great game above any other consideration) has to be the worst possible simulation simply because the graphics are so old.

Could you possibly try being a part of an actual discussion this time, and contributing something actually worth reading?

[sergei]

I expect to see a huge screenshot showing dynamic shadows any time now.

[Rafael]

@ robbo: don't you think tonschk is just teasing here?

I suppose he's playing SH3 + GWX :yep: ... and even don't have SH5!

And as Steve said: "Could you possibly try being a part of an actual discussion this time, and contributing something actually worth reading?"

@ SteelViking: Please don't stop posting here about SH5, I need your positive attitude concerning Silent Hunter 5! :DL

[Fincuan]

I expect to see a huge screenshot showing dynamic shadows any time now.

:rock::rock::rock: I totally agree :rock::rock::rock:

[Nisgeis]

Though the last time I pulled that one I ended up having do give a lengthy reference with YouTube liniks. :dead:

Well, I've seen the film now, so :O:.

[Dimitrius07]

You need to learn to discuss things in a polite and respectful manner, like an adult.


^^ I don`t remember myself attacking anyone, can you give me an example or you just making things up.... again. While we at it you mentioned adults, well :rotfl2:apparently if a moderator send me to the brig and then change account and make fun of it, its something little kids do :88) in the cave :D. Anything else?

[robbo180265]

@ robbo: don't you think tonschk is just teasing here?

I suppose he's playing SH3 + GWX :yep: ... and even don't have SH5!

:DL

Erm no - I think he's trolling

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=173034

:salute:Still:yeah: who:D would :up:want:rock: to:o play :88)SH3 :salute:and:yeah: 4 when:woot: the graphics:rock: are so:) good :arrgh!:on 5?:rock:


[INSERT HUGE PNG SCREENSHOT HERE]

[robbo180265]

^^ I don`t remember myself attacking anyone, can you give me an example or you just making things up.... again. While we at it you mentioned adults, well :rotfl2:apparently if a moderator send me to the brig and then change account and make fun of it, its something little kids do :88) in the cave :D. Anything else?

And you - you need to learn to let things go.....

[Moeceefus]

ooops, i seem to have accidently ended up in the sh3 forum again.

[convoy hunter]

Silent Hunter 3 is Total RUBBISH :88)

.
please do wake up and when you do then talk about sh3

[SteelViking]

@ robbo: don't you think tonschk is just teasing here?

I suppose he's playing SH3 + GWX :yep: ... and even don't have SH5!

And as Steve said: "Could you possibly try being a part of an actual discussion this time, and contributing something actually worth reading?"

@ SteelViking: Please don't stop posting here about SH5, I need your positive attitude concerning Silent Hunter 5! :DL

Thanks, I am glad that what I say makes a difference for some folks.

^^ I don`t remember myself attacking anyone, can you give me an example or you just making things up.... again. While we at it you mentioned adults, well :rotfl2:apparently if a moderator send me to the brig and then change account and make fun of it, its something little kids do :88) in the cave :D. Anything else?

שלום אחי

[tonschk]

Early this afternoon , I actually made a thread in the SH3 forum ...http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=173034 , I have no idea who log on with my username and send a post in this SH5 thread with a similar sentence , but was not me , therefore I assume a moderator took my unsername and post this sentence in the SH5 forum using my username

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[Takeda Shingen]

Moderators do not have access to user accounts or passwords.

[tonschk]

Somebody have access to my password

[Takeda Shingen]

If you think that your account has been compromised, then your best bet is to talk to Neal directly. Send him a PM.

[tonschk]

I think I can change my password

[Jimbuna]

Ah, I see. I am sorry if I offended anyone, especially if I misunderstood what you were actually saying. It's just that I get so tired of people only stating the negative things about SH5. I guess I should just stop reading the general SH5 forum, doom and gloom is all that is talked about here(though I absolutely cannot understand why other than the DRM), where as the modding forum is always upbeat.

I think it is best to try and ignore all the negativity and try to focus/post on the positivity, there is also a great deal of that about in these parts.

I'm betting that given the time and effort that was spent on SH3....a similar amount spent on SH5 may even reap better results given the improvements already built into the latter.

This community deserves nothing less http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif

[Jimbuna]

Somebody have access to my password

Given your past posting history and comments toward SH3 I hope you'll understand my doubting your statement.

[tonschk]

I already changed my password

[tonschk]

Given your past posting history and comments toward SH3 I hope you'll understand my doubting your statement.


Find me please such past history of statements against SH3, other than the post done today in the SH3 forum,

[Fincuan]

The two statements you claim were made by an impersonator fit your posting history pretty well, which is probably why pretty much no-one doubted their origin. A quick glance over the "find other post by this person"-list forms a pretty clear picture on your opinions about SH3 and SH5, and those statements fit right into it.

[tonschk]

Find me please the colossal amount of post against SH3

I did not post that statement in this SH5 thread , somebody took my password

[Moeceefus]

given the amount of sh3 players who come on this forum to bash sh5, i dont see why anybody really cares anyways.

[Jimbuna]

Find me please such past history of statements against SH3, other than the post done today in the SH3 forum,


Find them yourself, i'm a little busy modding right now....if you know what I mean.

Look at the weight of opinion, check your own posts and some of the responses they've drawn then move on from there....'people in glass houses' and all that.

[tonschk]

Somebody took my password and post in this SH5 thread


Find them yourself, i'm a little busy modding right now....if you know what I mean.

Look at the weight of opinion, check your own posts and some of the responses they've drawn then move on from there....'people in glass houses' and all that.

[Takeda Shingen]

Stealing a password is a very serious offense. I'll contact Neal and he'll get to the bottom of it.

[SteelViking]

Somebody took my password and post in this SH5 thread

I believe you tonschk. Folks, tonschk is a good friend of mine, and has helped me with a few of my mods. He is an ardent supporter of SH5 and the SH5 modding community, but he has been around since long before SH5. And, he has never said such blatantly inflammatory or unjust statements such as "SHIII is rubbish."

Edit: And, don't get me wrong folks, I may seem like some rabid SH5 supporter, but I do not have anything negative to say about SHIII or SHIV as they are now. I love them both.

[Madox58]

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/Stuff/Lynch.jpg

[krashkart]

^^ They're not brandishing whiz wheels and LuT's... but close enough. :rotfl2:

[Jimbuna]

Edit: And, don't get me wrong folks, I may seem like some rabid SH5 supporter, but I do not have anything negative to say about SHIII or SHIV as they are now. I love them both.

And thereby lies the fundamental problem to a lot of this stupidity.

Anyone entering either section of the forum with nothing better than to knock one or other games or to cause mischief, should be simply ignored and 'frozen out'. There is no need to respond usually and I know it is hard but they are better ignored.

There are a good many people around these parts working/modding both games, some like to publicise the fact and give updates on progress and that is fine.

Others do the opposite and publicise at or near the time of completion.

Either way is fine IMHO because the end result ia always the same.....this community of ours reaps the benefits.

SINK EM ALL!! http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif

[Zedi]

IMO none stole tonschk pass, he have the same attitude toward SH3 on the official forum too where he is 'walkirie'. He is the biggest SH5 fan around, with very short posts where all he can say is "ty ubi for this great game" and he call the haters "idiots" ...that's all :D So I have my doubts that any1 stole tonschk's pass....

Anyway, I better quit SH5 for a while than returning to that ancient SH3 with all those obsolete graphics. I would play SH3 only if would be available for ipod, but even for that the graphic is very outdated. Shame on Ubi and those who fu't up SH5, but one thing for sure.. never in my life I will buy another Ubi product.

[Arclight]

Is it really necessary to respond by bashing SH3? It's just justifying and perpetuating this whole "us vs them" thing we've got going on here. :-?
Anyone entering either section of the forum with nothing better than to knock one or other games or to cause mischief, should be simply ignored and 'frozen out'. There is no need to respond usually and I know it is hard but they are better ignored.
Darnit, too late. :O:

[skwasjer]

Just play minesweeper! It starts up alot faster, and you can hack the highscore!!

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/964558/how_to_hack_your_minesweeper_scores.html


[why people even bother posting such an article :har:]

[Madox58]

OH NO!!
:timeout:

You posted "hack"!
:haha:

[skwasjer]

OH NO, now I'm gonna get brigged! :doh:

"hijack" I meant!! Honest!

*** DOOR KNOCK ***

Yes?
> FBI
Uh...?
> You said "hijack".
Not a plane!??
> Come with us...
Uh oh...

[Madox58]

Better to be brigged then to be buggered!
:har:

[DelphiUniverse]

It's beyond me why anyone would want to go back to sh3. The graphics, the 3d environment, the fast and smooth sh5 game is excellent imho.

[irish1958]

Better to be brigged then to be buggered!
:har:
Actually, both happen (in real life)

[Sailor Steve]

It's beyond me why anyone would want to go back to sh3. The graphics, the 3d environment, the fast and smooth sh5 game is excellent imho.
The Type II, the Type IX, the Type XXI, the blimps, the running scared in 1944, the 1.7 billion crew names, the ship names, the ability to play without haveing to ask, the ability to play at all in a lot of cirmumstances.

Probably a lot more reasons, the biggest one is that SH5 is still unfinished.

When the DRM is gone I'll buy it. I'll look at it. I'll do what my meager modding abilities allow. And I'll still play SH3 and SH4 until SH5 is complete enough to play the whole war in any u-boat. I'm hoping it will be someday, but until then it's just a fashion model - very pretty but not all there.

[Reece]

Better to be brigged then to be buggered!
:har:Is it?:hmmm:

[conus00]

The Type II, the Type IX, the Type XXI, the blimps, the running scared in 1944, the 1.7 billion crew names, the ship names, the ability to play without haveing to ask, the ability to play at all in a lot of cirmumstances.

Probably a lot more reasons, the biggest one is that SH5 is still unfinished.

When the DRM is gone I'll buy it. I'll look at it. I'll do what my meager modding abilities allow. And I'll still play SH3 and SH4 until SH5 is complete enough to play the whole war in any u-boat. I'm hoping it will be someday, but until then it's just a fashion model - very pretty but not all there.

:haha::har:

[Der Kolkrabe]

I have trying SH5 but return back to SH4.
I don't mean that SH5 is "rubbish" but I wait when it's "ready" :)

Actually I think I'm not ready to it :oops: it takes time to "get in it" ;)

I don't say goodbye to SH5. I let it be somewhile and wait because I know that modders are working with it :salute:

[DelphiUniverse]

I've seen that myself. I was in the middle of the north atlantic, endless pit of water. I thought I should dive a couple of hundred metres. As I go up again to periscope i was peaking 90 to my side with the periscope before i went to periscope depth. There is a ****ing 50-ton rock floating in "mid-air".

[Sailor Steve]

There is a ****ing 50-ton rock floating in "mid-air".
Please read the forum rules.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_new_faq_item_language

[Jimbuna]

Better to be brigged then to be buggered!
:har:

Hope your not speaking from past experience? :hmmm:

:D

[Dimitrius07]

And you - you need to learn to let things go.....

And you... you need to accept reality :D.

[Dimitrius07]

שלום אחי

Не брат я тебе, Шмок :yeah:

Edit: Victory is a good feeling, damn good.

[Dimitrius07]

Please read the forum rules.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_new_faq_item_language

If you are given time in the Brig, it does not mean we don't like you, :rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

Added by me^^. If a moder himself however openly attack you, our nation, family or something he found out about you by using fake accounts and double standards, that's mean he likes you a lot. Troly+Lolz goes LAAAAVEEEE :rotfl2:

Send me back please. Party must go on :rock::rock: