DRM continues to be an issue.

[Ducimus]

First , every time i try and load a game, the stupid thing says i have no internet connection and kicks me back to the main menu.

So, i restart the program, then it tells me i have no internet connection at login.

I try again, i finally get in, load the game, and now were back to kicking me back to the main menu.


Is it too much to ask for to be able to play a god damn singleplayer game? I guess so. Im THIS close to just shelving this thing. Maybe even try and get a god damn refund. This is intolerable.

[floundericiousWA]

:o
If you've got a community legend like DUCIMUS about to deep six this game...

:o

I gotta say, when I read an article on the escapist this morning about repeated UBI Server DoS attacks (or server crap-outs, who can tell the diff?)...I was conflicted.

On the one hand I was cheering for it to just go to pot...on the other hand that meant that fellow gamers who spent their money in good faith, were getting shafted and unable to play.

I feel for anyone who is struggling with an unplayable game and hope UBISOFT TAKES FLIPPING NOTICE!

[Dowly]

The server seems to be able to maintain the connection once you get to game. Have been running now for rougly 1½ days straight (on 1xTC patrol) and have not gotten kicked out of the game once.

Now I'm afraid to shut it down. :doh:

[Gammelpreusse]

You must be hating yourself Ducimus by leting yourself suffer like that. In your shoes I would be long time enjoyng cracked version with no disruptions :)


There are people out there who actually do not want to be pirates.

[Onkel Neal]

Yeah, you probably should shelf it for a week, it sounds like it is stressing you out, man. :cry:

[rulez_Cz]

exactly the same problm....while posting this and feeling quite online the game is not runing due to connection problems...

I am not enjoying this any more...

[Fincuan]

"Doing the bad thing" to a game you legally own is not piracy, even if talking about "the thing" is not permitted by Subsim rules. In this particular case, when "doing the thing" would actually mean the difference between a working and non-working product, it would also be directly permitted by the law in many countries.

That said I'm currently very happy I don't own SH5. 3 and 4 are working excellent, Ubi's servers up or not, and I can actually play them.

[Ducimus]

A screenshot of what i see everytime i try and load a saved game. Even one in port:

http://www.ducimus.net/screw_drm.jpg



You know what, it's time to bust out one of my favorite T shirts
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=132&pictureid=798

Screw this, im going back to Sh4. I don't have the patience for this.

[scrapser]

I'm really surprised nobody saw this coming...especially the techies who dreamed it up in the first place. Having the game dependent on a server connection instantly makes that server connection the company's Achilles heel. Ubisoft and any other company using this form of DRM are probably (hopefully) rethinking their strategy now.

For myself, I am so glad I didn't buy into this headache. I don't blame Ubisoft for wanting to find a solution but I think they should have time tested it first before opening Pandora's box the way they have. Put simply, it's not bringing the results they anticipated...not even close.

[alexradu89]

I uninstalled my SH5 and will be shelving it until the DRM-removing patch or final patches get released, and a viable supermod(like SH3's legendary GWX) that fixes the serious issues this game has will come out. GL HF all, I predict that in around 1 or 2 years I'll be more than happy to play this game, but not in it's current condition, I might just reinstall SH3.

[Dowly]

"Doing the bad thing" to a game you legally own is not piracy, even if talking about "the thing" is not permitted by Subsim rules. In this particular case, when "doing the thing" would actually mean the difference between a working and non-working product, it would also be directly permitted by the law in many countries.

To the best of my knowledge, bypassing copy protection without the permission of the rights holder is illegal. :hmmm:

[gutted]

Same problem here. I can get to the main menu, but when i load a game.. i can see myself standing in the conning tower ready to go, but it says "Connection Problems".

That's 2 days now i can't play.

:damn::damn::damn::damn:

[AVGWarhawk]

I have run into this with COD World at War. It is frustrating but eventually I'm able to connect. So far I have only one hiccup with the connection and that was Sunday morning and it did not last long. I was playing after three attempts. :up:

[Piggy]

Its crap like this that will kill the PC game industry...

Utter garbage that in order to play a single player game you need to have a net connection and be able to connect to their servers... complete BS!

This is exactly why I support companies like paradox interactive who don't use DRM. When will companies realize they are only driving away their paying customers by making them feel like criminals (which will, out of frustration make them pirates) while doing nothing to the actual pirates.

[Athlonic]

Back from my patrol...

Guys I've got the same message 2 hours ago.

Tip : Just DO NOT click "OK" and wait a bit, it let me load my save and play within less than a minute or so.

Give it a try.

:03:

[Mud]

Back from my patrol...

Guys I've got the same message 2 hours ago.

Tip : Just DO NOT click "OK" and wait a bit, it let me load my save and play within less than a minute or so.

Give it a try.

:03:

Seems to work, thanks


Mud

[Paco]

Ahoi,

in the english ubi forum there is a post about a workaround to play the campaign without internet-connection. The posts where closed (deleted) by the moderators, but i have a copy as pdf :)

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/9841041938

and

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/7851041938

In my opinion it is a legal workaround with reconfig the files.

@Neal: If you agree, I post the link to the pdf.


Greetings,
Paco.

[Juliano]

Well, from what I read, even that it may legal to crack your purchased game (case of some countries), you could still not play, ´cause I believe you have to be connected to UBI in order to select/choose missions (i think roaming the world and sink ships is still possible).

[Catfish]

Hello,
at least i am not the only one who keeps seing this black screen
"the internet connection experiencs problems blah ..."

I have absolutely no problem with other websites, even the german UBIsoft forum works - but not the goddam SH5 servers or so it seems.
three days in a row ... :shifty:
I never thought that i .. i mean ... where is this download ... ? :damn:

Give 'em two more days, i have anyway no time in the next days. Sunday would have been good, but no access at all :dead:


But then Subsim.com is sure faster now, thanks to Neal and the monkeys :rotfl2: now where's the banana donation button ...

Greetings,
Catfish

[floundericiousWA]

To the best of my knowledge, bypassing copy protection without the permission of the rights holder is illegal. :hmmm:

The other side of the coin:
Depending on where the customer lives, selling them something that doesn't work because of a "security feature" you deliberately added can be actionable.

[Maddog011]

Ahoi,

in the english ubi forum there is a post about a workaround to play the campaign without internet-connection. The posts where closed (deleted) by the moderators, but i have a copy as pdf :)

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/9841041938

and

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/7851041938

In my opinion it is a legal workaround with reconfig the files.

@Neal: If you agree, I post the link to the pdf.


Greetings,
Paco.

I do have a copy too and it is not illegal or against the EULA to mod your config and script files.
You guys here are doing it for years here at SubSim.
We were not talking there about cracking or hacking the exes or dlls.
I would like to post that modding here with permission of-course. :salute:

[floundericiousWA]

Back from my patrol...

Guys I've got the same message 2 hours ago.

Tip : Just DO NOT click "OK" and wait a bit, it let me load my save and play within less than a minute or so.

Give it a try.

:03:

GOOD MAN! :up:

[Spartan]

Surely all you people cant be part of the "5% club" that are only affected by the connection issues? That is odd... :hmmm:

[razark]

I do have a copy too and it is not illegal or against the EULA to mod your config and script files.
You guys here are doing it for years here at SubSim.
We were not talking there about cracking or hacking the exes or dlls.
I would like to post that modding here with permission of-course. :salute:

See here: (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq.php?faq=susbim_faq_item#faq_rules2_faq_item)

What is Subsim.com's stance in relation to warez and piracy?
SUBSIM Review has a longstanding policy against software piracy. We do NOT allow discussion or even mention of warez, abandonware, peer-to-peer game swapping, illegal download sites, or rip-off websites. Nothing will get you banned faster than pointing people to illegal software distribution sites. Don't ask for serial numbers, manuals, or cracks. Any admission that you have in your possession illegal software can and usually will result in revocation of your Radio Room forum account. Support computer game programmers buy legally purchasing their work. They have to eat too, you know.


No one cares what you do at home, but don't discuss it here.

[vonce1]

same issue; I' very very close to pack this title and ship it back to Amazon; have already shipping/return labels printed out. This masterpiece of DRM works today luckily...but on one more next disconnect I'm going to send it for refund as defective, my patience is near gone..problem is - I sort of like the sim (modded) when it works, but the grief from disconnects is strong..

[Manstein16]

Maybe even try and get a god damn refund. This is intolerable.

Apparently Best Buy and Gamestop are accepting returns, no questions asked (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=164097). If you wait to repurchase until/if the DRM is removed you can probably get the game cheaper as well.

[Athlonic]

Originally Posted by Athlonic http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1304915#post1304915)
Back from my patrol...

Guys I've got the same message 2 hours ago.

Tip : Just DO NOT click "OK" and wait a bit, it let me load my save and play within less than a minute or so.

Give it a try.


Seems to work, thanks


Mud


You are welcome, seem's like patience is a workaround here :yawn:

[Maddog011]

No one cares what you do at home, but don't discuss it here.What are you talking about man, what warez , I'm talking about modding config files, why don't you read posts the way they are written.


We were not talking there about cracking or hacking the exes or dlls.If you don't care about me and others not being able to play legally purchased game go and find another thread. This one is not for you.

[BillCar]

Is it too much to ask for to be able to play a god damn singleplayer game? I guess so. Im THIS close to just shelving this thing. Maybe even try and get a god damn refund. This is intolerable.

I bought my copy on Sunday. Before opening it, I came into this forum to post that I had caved in and bought it, and am I ever glad I did. I returned it immediately to the store, unopened, and was able to get my money back.

[razark]

I think razark got confused because the thread split into two discussions, one of a workaround that someone had a copy of the PDF and another where someone was talking about downloading a copy of something that is unmentionable on this site and wasn't in his opinion illegal, so when you said 'I do have a copy too and it is not illegal' then I guess razark thought you meant the unmentionable and not a copy of the PDF.

By the way, welcome aboard!

Perhaps Razark is confused.

So what we have here is a bit of information that makes the game playable offline for legal owners, but does not allow pirates to play? Or did I completely miss the point?

:06: If someone can clarify that, I would be grateful.

[Nisgeis]

Perhaps Razark is confused.

So what we have here is a bit of information that makes the game playable offline for legal owners, but does not allow pirates to play? Or did I completely miss the point?

:06: If someone can clarify that, I would be grateful.

I just saw that spammy new post and I have no idea what to make of it, so I deleted my original post, cos I thought it was a workaround for a legal version and as I had DRM probs the other day I was interested in it, but what was posted was ... well, I didn't know what to make of it and changing files in such a way that people who didn't buy... what it could do for pirates I have no idea... oh man I'm not even to try and work it out. That's why I deleted my post, but you were too quick :DL.

[razark]

I just saw that spammy new post and I have no idea what to make of it, so I deleted my original post, cos I thought it was a workaround for a legal version and as I had DRM probs the other day I was interested in it, but what was posted was ... well, I didn't know what to make of it and changing files in such a way that people who didn't buy... what it could do for pirates I have no idea... oh man I'm not even to try and work it out. That's why I deleted my post, but you were too quick :DL.

That new post that's not there any more? I tried to read it, but it seemed a bit ADD. You want me to delete your now missing post I quoted?

[Fincuan]

In theory the instructions should apply to both equally, as the root problem is the same: The lack of connection to the OSP server prevents stuff from happening in the game, and with those instructions you can supposedly bypass the limit.

[Nisgeis]

That new post that's not there any more? I tried to read it, but it seemed a bit ADD. You want me to delete your now missing post I quoted?

Nah, cos then I'd have to delete the post I quoted in response to you and you me and then you... :haha:. It was the ADD-ness about that post that shall not be named that worried me :DL.

EDIT: I'll just sit on my hands for ten minutes in future before posting anything.

[longam]

I only have had one issue on Saturday afternoon, all other times work with no problem. I must be close to one of the AUTH servers, or my cable rocks! :hmmm:

[Ducimus]

While subsim was down, i found these little gems i wanted to share:


http://cdn.themis-media.com/media/global/images/articles/article/7265/sp175.jpg
It was frightening and yet somehow awe-inspiring to watch them march off of this conceptual cliff with such steadfast confidence. It's like a menacing and Kafkaesque version of the Emperor's New Clothes where all of the people are screaming, "Dude, you are naked!" to the heedless king. The lemming comparison ceases to be adequate. Lemmings go over cliffs because they are oblivious. Ubisoft went over this cliff because they decided that going over a cliff was a now a core part of their business plan.

I struggled with this comic for a long time. I eventually realized I wouldn't be able to make fun of this in any traditional way because Ubisoft was already a joke.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/stolen-pixels/7265-Stolen-Pixels-175-Ubisoft


---------


Three reasons Ubisoft's DRM is good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5lQ-9reiLU


-----------------------------

Watch this starting at 3:32
Gabe Newell of valve gives his two cents on piracy, copy protection, and why its not a problem for valve. Ubisoft should take note of this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87pevh2Q0hg








All taht said, i think ill write my own review of the game. It may surprise you what i think of the game itself.

[Paco]

So what we have here is a bit of information that makes the game playable offline for legal owners, but does not allow pirates to play? Or did I completely miss the point?

:06: If someone can clarify that, I would be grateful.


Hmmmm,

I can't give a guarantee that this works only for legal users. :damn:
But the UBI-servers do not work for legal users too :down:

[Kaleun_Endrass]

A screenshot of what i see everytime i try and load a saved game. Even one in port:

http://www.ducimus.net/screw_drm.jpg
I see this DRM message alot too. If it pops up, the game won't repeat no matter how long I wait. First two times I hit the OK button resulting in dropping back to the menu screen. On the third time I checked my internet connection that was still good. I don't know if it's a problem with the response time of Ubi's servers that results in annoying DRM screens but each time I see this message I hit ESC and the game continues just normal :o:06:.
I didn't test it with disconnecting my router or something but I noticed after 1h of play that my crappy (Vista-)WLAN dropped at any time during play again and I'm not sure I got the message and hit ESC but the game worked well 'till I decided to end it. I'll test this afternoon if this cute little ESC key works all the way I experienced it so far...

[sofie_59]

I see this DRM message alot too. If it pops up, the game won't repeat no matter how long I wait. First two times I hit the OK button resulting in dropping back to the menu screen. On the third time I checked my internet connection that was still good. I don't know if it's a problem with the response time of Ubi's servers that results in annoying DRM screens but each time I see this message I hit ESC and the game continues just normal :o:06:.
I didn't test it with disconnecting my router or something but I noticed after 1h of play that my crappy (Vista-)WLAN dropped at any time during play again and I'm not sure I got the message and hit ESC but the game worked well 'till I decided to end it. I'll test this afternoon if this cute little ESC key works all the way I experienced it so far...

Good post!
And hope that hit ESC instead of OK is the way to go :salute:

[YukonJack_AK]

Watch this starting at 3:32
Gabe Newell of valve gives his two cents on piracy, copy protection, and why its not a problem for valve. Ubisoft should take note of this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87pevh2Q0hg


...And that is why Valve is EPIC :up: LISTEN UP UBISOFT! Take care of the customers, make games so damn good no-one will WANT to pirate them and forget this iron-curtain, gestapo crap DRM!

[Drifter]

Ducimus, I have been playing without connecting to the server... oops.. I meant to say that I am having no server connection problems. ;) You have a new pm.

[wingtip]

Ya know, for sh3 and 4 i just went out and bought it day one of release cause i love sub simulations, and enjoyed them thoroughly... For sh5 i decided to wait for a change as difficult as i knew that would be from all the drm discussions before it was released... Now a week or so after release i come in here to read some feedback and I am so dam glad I didn't put any money in ubi's pocket by purchasing sh5...

I could care less if there are tons of graphical bugs or other bugs but still allow you to play and know they will eventually get fixed... but when this drm connection window pops up as often as everyone is reporting and wont let you even play that's where i draw the line....

I can only hope that there is a majority of others like me that decided to wait and decided to not purchase this load of crap they are trying to shove down everyone's throat like obamas health care crap...

I found it hard to believe people were saying best buy and others were taking them back no questions asked... this is unheard of... once software is opened its tough s hit...its yours no matter how much you cry... companies just don't take back open software usually...

This all really sucks cause this means sh4 will probably be the last good sim to be produced for a lonnnng time....even if ubi notices the dismal sales and refunds they'll still introduce sh6 or other games with drm... Its friggin laughable but disappointing at the same time... As one of the other posters said, they just blatantly walked right over the edge of a cliff....I hope they fire the exec's that decided this drm crap would fly when it sank soon as it hit the water from commissioning lol

[Maddog011]

Ducimus, I have been playing without connecting to the server... oops.. I meant to say that I am having no server connection problems. ;) You have a new pm.


Would you mind, to share that information with us?
I mean how "playing without connecting to the server".

Seems you people are ignoring my posts.
Nice community here, we have.

[robbo180265]

Would you mind, to share that information with us?
I mean how "playing without connecting to the server".

Seems you people are ignoring my posts.
Nice community here, we have.

I'm guessing that the kind of questions you were asking - could not have been answered without a risk of a banhammer.

So nobodies talking

[Turm]

I see this DRM message alot too. If it pops up, the game won't repeat no matter how long I wait. First two times I hit the OK button resulting in dropping back to the menu screen. On the third time I checked my internet connection that was still good. I don't know if it's a problem with the response time of Ubi's servers that results in annoying DRM screens but each time I see this message I hit ESC and the game continues just normal :o:06:.

I was about to post this solution as well, but see you already did. I think I mentioned it in the bugs & glitches thread the other day.

Happens a lot to me. 'Esc' always works :yeah:

I think the CPU power involved in loading and initialising the game causes the Ubisoft launcher/monitor program to think your connection has dropped, when it's there all along. Same way that Windows often reports programs as "Not responding" just because they've hogged the CPU for several seconds.

Hitting 'Esc' clears the screen without triggering the "back to menu" function of the OK button. If your connection had dropped, the screen would probably pop back right away, but since your connection is alive it carries on without complaint.

[blackdog_kt]

Well, from what I read, even that it may legal to crack your purchased game (case of some countries), you could still not play, ´cause I believe you have to be connected to UBI in order to select/choose missions (i think roaming the world and sink ships is still possible).


That's exactly what the deleted message on the Ubi forums fixed. All you need to do is edit some files to unlock the missions. They don't get downloaded from Ubi, they are already in the game. Of course, you can also cheat this way and for example, skip the early campaigns and move straight to the later ones, it's basic modding stuff like adding renown to your captain or upgrading your crew's stats in SH3.

As for what this thing does...it enables anyone to play the entire campaign without connecting to UBI. That means both the legitimate owners and those with a "bad" copy. We can't openly talk about how to do it due to forum rules though. But yes, it does work, you can play offline and UBI is lying when they say the "bad" version is nothing but a demo ;)

[Fincuan]

As for what this thing does...it enables anyone to play the entire campaign without connecting to UBI. That means both the legitimate owners and those with a "bad" copy. We can't openly talk about how to do it due to forum rules though. But yes, it does work, you can play offline and UBI is lying when they say the "bad" version is nothing but a demo ;)

That raises an interesting question as the things that need changing are indeed no different from any mod. All you do is unlock the campaigns manually. The guys who came up with it also uncovered intersting tec-stuff related to campaigns and missions in general, yet we can't talk about it because it can also be used in the pirated version(like any other mod).

[StarLion45]

People seems to have a lot of trouble playing this SH5:yawn:

I don't understand why some bying this game , they hopefully read the posts that was written just weeks7days before release day :cool::o

[Paco]

That's exactly what the deleted message on the Ubi forums fixed. All you need to do is edit some files to unlock the missions. They don't get downloaded from Ubi, they are already in the game. Of course, you can also cheat this way and for example, skip the early campaigns and move straight to the later ones, it's basic modding stuff like adding renown to your captain or upgrading your crew's stats in SH3.

As for what this thing does...it enables anyone to play the entire campaign without connecting to UBI. That means both the legitimate owners and those with a "bad" copy. We can't openly talk about how to do it due to forum rules though. But yes, it does work, you can play offline and UBI is lying when they say the "bad" version is nothing but a demo ;)

That is what i have posted above, no crack or patch or whatever.

Paco.

[PortoFerro]

Checking in, while waiting to get reconnected, right in the middle of a battle.
Staring at the pop-up window, which happens daily 1-2 times, I wondered:

Why does UBI not display some ads, would make waiting so much more a TV-like experience... :haha:

[Maddog011]

People seems to have a lot of trouble playing this SH5:yawn:

I don't understand why some bying this game , they hopefully read the posts that was written just weeks7days before release day :cool::o

We buy this game because we love subsims and because we support developers. They work hard to get our lovely game uppon us.

UBI itself as a company is something awful like Goons In Platoons. :D

Anyway check this post on UBI

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/7831095938

[KING111]

Checking in, while waiting to get reconnected, right in the middle of a battle.
Staring at the pop-up window, which happens daily 1-2 times, I wondered:

Why does UBI not display some ads, would make waiting so much more a TV-like experience... :haha:


bloody hell don't say that if they see it the B will do it as your sub is sinking in to the deep
you will be watching an ad for there next disaster of a game
:har::har:

[wingtip]

Anyway check this post on UBI

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...7/m/7831095938 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/7831095938)

cant even do that, their forum servers time out when i tried to click that link... Im sooooo glad havent bought sh5 yet ... i want it bad but im not gonna put up with all the drm issues everyone is having....no matter how good the game is.

[robbo180265]

cant even do that, their forum servers time out when i tried to click that link... Im sooooo glad havent bought sh5 yet ... i want it bad but im not gonna put up with all the drm issues everyone is having....no matter how good the game is.


I think you'll find that his post got deleted by UBI for pretty much the same reason it would get deleted here:03:

[The Enigma]

I think you'll find that his post got deleted by UBI for pretty much the same reason it would get deleted here:03:

Lucky there are other means to share info :D

[blackdog_kt]

That raises an interesting question as the things that need changing are indeed no different from any mod. All you do is unlock the campaigns manually. The guys who came up with it also uncovered intersting tec-stuff related to campaigns and missions in general, yet we can't talk about it because it can also be used in the pirated version(like any other mod).


Yup, that guy on the UBI forums who found out about that also found out how to add the type IX in SH5. It seems that SH5 uses a lot of SH4 files for the 3d models, but with different textures. It also seems that the release was so rushed that some of the files have been left in the SH5 installation. So, if you have SH4 with the U-boat add-on, you can copy the missing files from your SH4 folder to your SH5 folder, edit some .cfg files and WHAM, you got a type IX in SH5 :DL

[Commie]

That's exactly what the deleted message on the Ubi forums fixed. All you need to do is edit some files to unlock the missions. They don't get downloaded from Ubi, they are already in the game. Of course, you can also cheat this way and for example, skip the early campaigns and move straight to the later ones, it's basic modding stuff like adding renown to your captain or upgrading your crew's stats in SH3.

As for what this thing does...it enables anyone to play the entire campaign without connecting to UBI. That means both the legitimate owners and those with a "bad" copy. We can't openly talk about how to do it due to forum rules though. But yes, it does work, you can play offline and UBI is lying when they say the "bad" version is nothing but a demo ;)

A little bird told me that it's the same with that 'uncracked' pirate version. Just have to skip the training mission apparently and you get the missions.

[Yak]

A screenshot of what i see everytime i try and load a saved game. Even one in port:

http://www.ducimus.net/screw_drm.jpg




Oh Lord that screen sums it all up for me, you'd think they would at least be able to put the error messages up in proper English, or at least have a native speaker, hell even someone who studied English grammar...
:nope:

[Boog]

I will never buy any game that requires you to have a connection to some server, or else you cant play. Or buy games with limited installs.

My ability to connect comes and goes with my finances. I can only afford internet about 33% of the time, and usually have to use a family members internet to keep up on things and collect emails the rest of the time.

And I like my anonimity, i do not want to have to login just to play the game I bought. Its no ones business what I play or when I play, or how long I play. I will never knowingly allow my gaming habits to be tracked. One of the main reasons I buy SP games at all, is because I cant always play MP. SP games are what I play when I dont have internet.

And I faithfully reformat my HD every 6 months, so limited installs dont work for me either. I have now reinstalled SH4 probably 20 times, on 3 different machines.

Im all for companies trying to protect from Piracy, I dont blame them one bit. But doing it at the inconvenience of PAYING customers is not the answer. This DRM things has fail written all over it.

As long as this is the case with SH5, i sadly wont be buying it. And because of this nonsense, this will be the first Sub sim I havent bought.

Signed, A former faithful customer.. :-?

P.S. Why dont they go after the torrent sites that put up these links to pirated copies?? Just keep suing them for every little thing you can think of, until the go under! Go after their ISP's to. Put in a non-profit ISP business next door and steal all their business. Until they drop these torrent sites. Theres tons of ways to fight piracy, that isnt on the backs of your paying customers!

[CaptainMattJ.]

Will everyone PLEASe just stop whining about DRM. WE GET IT! DRM sucks. Doesnt mean you have to complain constantly about it. Either UBI gets it and whining isnt doing anything productive, or UBI doesnt care, in which case whining still wont be productive. Its been out for like 6 months now. this has to be the fifteen thousandth thread about how DRM sucks. what makes you think THIS thread as opposed to any of the others is gonna make UBI listen. the ONLY way to REALLY force them is to completely boycott it. and we all know that not going to happen. their a company that only cares about profit, like every other company has become. no matter how but BS the companies produce to claim they "care about players", they cant hide the fact that its a lie. once the games are sold they couldnt give a DAM what you want. just as long as they get a profit. youve all bought the game, given UBI money and now their giving you the middle finger, and constantly complaining and not taking action isnt going to help any.

[Sailor Steve]

Incessantly whining about people whining is possibly more annoying than the whining you keep whining about. Demanding that people close threads you don't like, and now this demanding that people stop complaining about DRM. It's not gonna happen, and you SHOUTING about it all the time doesn't isn't going to change that.

If you don't like it, just don't read the threads.

[Ducimus]

Necro thread. Was dead and buried for 5 months. Just FYI.

[Gerald]

Necro thread. Was dead and buried for 5 months. Just FYI. exactly what I was thinking, why is this up, wtf is this for Felling....

[melendir]

I have not been able to play the game for few months :down:
Every time I load the save game the game starts loading the situation and then boots me to desktop.

If I start a new game, the tutorial part goes well all the way to the end, but when going out for the "1st real patrol" the game loads and then boots me to desktop ?!?

No crack, No mods and Game updated.

So the game has been in my hard drive since I bought it, but haven't been able to play it for months. I have been waiting for Ubisoft to update the game, but seems that is not going to happen :nope:

Is this DRM issue? or is there someother known reason for this?

Appreciate the answer, if some fellow player knows the reason :)

[robbo180265]

I have not been able to play the game for few months :down:
Every time I load the save game the game starts loading the situation and then boots me to desktop.

If I start a new game, the tutorial part goes well all the way to the end, but when going out for the "1st real patrol" the game loads and then boots me to desktop ?!?

No crack, No mods and Game updated.

So the game has been in my hard drive since I bought it, but haven't been able to play it for months. I have been waiting for Ubisoft to update the game, but seems that is not going to happen :nope:

Is this DRM issue? or is there someother known reason for this?

Appreciate the answer, if some fellow player knows the reason :)

No mods means it's probably a hardware issue - what are your specs?

[melendir]

Sorry forgot to mention that my hardware has not changed and the SH5 did work earlier. It just stopped working somewhere between 2-3 months.

Other games work as before, so I think the issue must be "SH5 only", unless the 1.2 SH5 update changed the requirements, since I can't remember if the game worked after last patch.

Sorry for being demented and not remembering very accurate :D

I was just thinking that if this was some usual issue that I could get fast answer from the forum :)

[robbo180265]

Sorry forgot to mention that my hardware has not changed and the SH5 did work earlier. It just stopped working somewhere between 2-3 months.

Other games work as before, so I think the issue must be "SH5 only", unless the 1.2 SH5 update changed the requirements, since I can't remember if the game worked after last patch.

Sorry for being demented and not remembering very accurate :D

I was just thinking that if this was some usual issue that I could get fast answer from the forum :)

One of the last things Sorlim did before he disappeared off the face of the planet was to compile a list of issues that could cause a ctd - and how to fix them.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/9161029478

It's a long shot , but something there might help you.

[Nufsed]

I bought SH5, DRM and all. I have had no problems connecting with the servers and the following statement is based on my personal experience with this "Simulation"

Silent Hunter 5 is going to be the "best" Submarine/U-Boat sim "ever". I base this prediction on (a) The base game/programming is pretty sound and the game stable (b) The amount and quality of the "Mods" released so-far (The sim on my machine is radically different from the original download, both graphically and AI wise). This situation has arisen solely from the dedication of a few very clever and IT savvy modders (You all know who you are). And I for one would to thank and congratulate all of you Guys for your unwavering belief in this great sim.

Thankyou :up:

[Galanti]

Will everyone PLEASe just stop whining about DRM. WE GET IT! DRM sucks. Doesnt mean you have to complain constantly about it. Either UBI gets it and whining isnt doing anything productive, or UBI doesnt care, in which case whining still wont be productive. Its been out for like 6 months now. this has to be the fifteen thousandth thread about how DRM sucks. what makes you think THIS thread as opposed to any of the others is gonna make UBI listen. the ONLY way to REALLY force them is to completely boycott it. and we all know that not going to happen. their a company that only cares about profit, like every other company has become. no matter how but BS the companies produce to claim they "care about players", they cant hide the fact that its a lie. once the games are sold they couldnt give a DAM what you want. just as long as they get a profit. youve all bought the game, given UBI money and now their giving you the middle finger, and constantly complaining and not taking action isnt going to help any.

Is that you, Trenken?

[melendir]

One of the last things Sorlim did before he disappeared off the face of the planet was to compile a list of issues that could cause a ctd - and how to fix them.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/9161029478

It's a long shot , but something there might help you.


Thank you for the link :)

[melendir]

Okay. Little edit to stay within the rules :03:

"My CTD seems to be a DRM issue or my router issue.
I did something "not recommended" to my installation and then everything works, but When I undo the changes to the original state, CTD happens every time when the loading is "final." :damn:

No difference if I have the DVD in drive or not

[Sailor Steve]

I installed a cracked exe
Oops. Read the rules please.

[Krauter]

I installed a cracked exe

Fail..


Incessantly whining about people whining is possibly more annoying than the whining you keep whining about. Demanding that people close threads you don't like, and now this demanding that people stop complaining about DRM. It's not gonna happen, and you SHOUTING about it all the time doesn't isn't going to change that.

If you don't like it, just don't read the threads.

Amen to that.

Cheers,

Krauter

[Gilbou]

Oops. Read the rules please.

Yes, please read the rules.

Because it is logical and respected to respect the rules rather than confront reality.

Repeat after me : There Is No Problem. I Am The Problem.

And you are lucky we don't execute you. Some countries do for less.

Do not mess with reality. Follow the rules and the law.

[melendir]

Oops. Read the rules please.

Edited my earlier post to stay within the rules :oops:

but the authentication issue is still there. Don't know why it originally worked alright when I bought it and installed it the first time. After official updates it stopped working right away or soon after that (can't remember exactly if it worked after update at all).

Has anyone had the same kind of issue?

Good thing I have the SH4 Collector's Edition and even better that I have SH3 + GWX :rock:

[Lord Justice]

Repeat after me : There Is No Problem. I Am The Problem.

And you are lucky we don't execute you.

Good heavens man, I should despise myself if I were capable of such remarks. :oops:

[Takeda Shingen]

Yes, please read the rules.

Because it is logical and respected to respect the rules rather than confront reality.

Repeat after me : There Is No Problem. I Am The Problem.

And you are lucky we don't execute you. Some countries do for less.

Do not mess with reality. Follow the rules and the law.

If one wishes to continue posting and downloading on Neal's dime, then yes, one must follow his rules.

The Management

[melendir]

I have not been able to play the game for few months :down:
Every time I load the save game the game starts loading the situation and then boots me to desktop.

If I start a new game, the tutorial part goes well all the way to the end, but when going out for the "1st real patrol" the game loads and then boots me to desktop ?!?

No crack, No mods and Game updated.

So the game has been in my hard drive since I bought it, but haven't been able to play it for months. I have been waiting for Ubisoft to update the game, but seems that is not going to happen :nope:

Is this DRM issue? or is there someother known reason for this?

Appreciate the answer, if some fellow player knows the reason :)

Back to my original question :)

As I explained earlier (bending the rules), the hardware seems not to be the issue, but authentication seems to be the issue...
Any similar problems? Anyone?

[Lord Justice]

If one wishes to continue posting and downloading on Neal's dime, then yes, one must follow his rules.

The ManagementI post here today but not without some difficulty. I am all for rules, discipline and structure, many times I need remind members. However, I find myself compelled to say it is possible and most probable :yep: with regard to my earlier post, there has become an instance of confusion. I thought fit to simply remark on (some) words Gilbou used. With dilligence and precision, I stepped aside from the rule part, as I do so cheerfully embrace. :salute: It is Impossible that I would even dare question rules :nope: as such conduct is unbecoming the character of a gentleman. ;) For my part, I still hold proper, and remain to set out my original nit-pick and bring order to the use of "You Are Lucky We Dont Execute you" Is it my lot to witness such utterance? even whilst shielded by sounding the rules. :hmmm: Good Day

[Takeda Shingen]

I post here today but not without some difficulty. I am all for rules, discipline and structure, many times I need remind members. However, I find myself compelled to say it is possible and most probable :yep: with regard to my earlier post, there has become an instance of confusion. I thought fit to simply remark on (some) words Gilbou used. With dilligence and precision, I stepped aside from the rule part, as I do so cheerfully embrace. :salute: It is Impossible that I would even dare question rules :nope: as such conduct is unbecoming the character of a gentleman. ;) For my part, I still hold proper, and remain to set out my original nit-pick and bring order to the use of "You Are Lucky We Dont Execute you" Is it my lot to witness such utterance? even whilst shielded by sounding the rules. :hmmm: Good Day

Upon refection of the remarks attributed to your personage, and in anticipation of the scholarly and gentlemanly nature of such discourse, it is with the upmost haste in which the reply is made. Verily, as the sun doth shineth upon rock and grass and man, so has the maker deemed unreasonable the discourse of piracy most foul. The infernal scourge, kept at bay though the light of reason, has served the will of our collective selves; our internal light of self, shining as beacons in the darkness of the void.

Verily liberty, the soverign right of man, must be made to carry the day, and yet temperance made as sister. And so it is she, protector of the soverign right, who illuminates our path through the veil of the scourge, apart from which no victory is possible. It is mind that must encounter mind, and through which the light is possible, and yet, not in the absence of the guidance of the sister.

Into your mind, I commend the the light of reason.

[Takeda Shingen]

To quickly translate the above:

There are two big no-no's on SubSim:

1. Piracy
2. Porn

The owner of this website does not want either here. He has repeatedly made that clear, and I do not think it unreasonable or personally restrictive to respect his wishes, as there are numerous websites and forums that will cater to those discussions. This is simply not one of them.

[Lord Justice]

To quickly translate the above:

There are two big no-no's on SubSim:

1. Piracy
2. Porn

The owner of this website does not want either here. He has repeatedly made that clear, and I do not think it unreasonable or personally restrictive to respect his wishes, as there are numerous websites and forums that will cater to those discussions. Indeed, I hardly dare mention! nor did I mention, but I am effectually tied up by my better, from taking any step necessary than no other, but to keep one in check! :cool: I listen above and hear the matter clearly echo across the fields. :salute:

[robbo180265]

Back to my original question :)

As I explained earlier (bending the rules), the hardware seems not to be the issue, but authentication seems to be the issue...
Any similar problems? Anyone?


Assuming that the list didn't help you matey I would reccomend that you contact UBI Tech support and see if they have any ideas, I must confess that I'm clueless. Good luck mate - hope it works out.

[Sailor Steve]

Yes, please read the rules.

Because it is logical and respected to respect the rules rather than confront reality.

Repeat after me : There Is No Problem. I Am The Problem.

And you are lucky we don't execute you. Some countries do for less.

Do not mess with reality. Follow the rules and the law.
The reality for Subsim is that it holds a unique position in the gaming community. Neal doesn't withold criticism where it's due, but he does support the game manufacturers, and that includes not helping piracy in any form.

To that end he has rules. One of those is that we don't discuss piracy of any kind, or cracks, hacks or cheats in any form.

The reality for Subsim members is that this is not a public forum. It is privately owned, and therefore membership is subject to the wishes of the owner, and no-one else. It's not a democracy, nor a republic. It is private property, and we are all here at the kindness of the owner.

So yes, if you openly oppose the rules, you are indeed the problem. You can live with it, or your can oppose it and experience the consequences.

[Lord Justice]

The reality for Subsim is that it holds a unique position in the gaming community. Neal doesn't withold criticism where it's due, but he does support the game manufacturers, and that includes not helping piracy in any form.

To that end he has rules. One of those is that we don't discuss piracy of any kind, or cracks, hacks or cheats in any form.

The reality for Subsim members is that this is not a public forum. It is privately owned, and therefore membership is subject to the wishes of the owner, and no-one else. It's not a democracy, nor a republic. It is private property, and we are all here at the kindness of the owner.

So yes, if you openly oppose the rules, you are indeed the problem. You can live with it, or your can oppose it and experience the consequences.Now where might ye be goin with this me lad! :arrgh!:

[Nisgeis]

Now where might ye be goin with this me lad! :arrgh!:

That was very mock piratey. Very out of character for you. Don't let your mock literary standards slip now. Ye be so close to the treasure Jim Lad! Ahar!

[Lord Justice]

That was very mock piratey. Very out of character for you. Don't let your mock literary standards slip now. Ye be so close to the treasure Jim Lad! Ahar!Okay mate :03:

[Ducimus]

A 5 month old thread deserves to die. :shifty:

[Nisgeis]

Okay mate :03:

That had everything spelled correclty... either you are drunk, or you are an imposter. I realise it was a short message, but you really can make a meal of anything, so I assume you weren't trying there. Or you were drunk.

EDIT: 'Mate' is quote a modern term isn't it? For your mock style? If you're going to post nonsense, at least post it consistently. God, it's really not that difficult is it? You'd be really boring if you started posting normally, because actually you have nothing to say. Don't flake out on us, we need the comedy factor of your posts. Crank up the mock style, but you know, be consistent, don't go faux pirate, because that's really lame, me hearty.

[Lord Justice]

Don't flake out on us, we need the comedy factor of your posts. Crank up the mock style, but you know, be consistent, don't go faux pirate, because that's really lame, me hearty.well shiver me timbers a real pirate made aready and present at my door, pushing me on the ropes, with mock bravado and insults. Perhaps this is a test of my inner strength. :timeout:

[Lord Justice]

That had everything spelled correclty... either you are drunk, or you are an imposter.

CORRECTLY :yawn:

[Nisgeis]

CORRECTLY :yawn:

You're doing it again! Spelling everything right! You must be drunk!

[Lord Justice]

You're doing it again! Spelling everything right! You must be drunk!Was my spelling under observation?? fling me the forum guidelines if you please!!

[Takeda Shingen]

Okay, enough. Let's not chase people around over spelling and syntax.

The Management

[jwilliams]

Back to my original question :)

As I explained earlier (bending the rules), the hardware seems not to be the issue, but authentication seems to be the issue...
Any similar problems? Anyone?


Maybe the "Item that must not be mentioned" overwrote the Ubi launcher files, to prevent them from looking for the server, breaking the authentication. You have brought this upon youself by using illegal software. Maybe you should look for all ubisoft files and SH5 files and delete them, then reinstall SH5. if that doesnt work then reformat your HD and reinstall your operating system.

Edit.... (Hint) C:\Program Files\Ubisoft\Ubisoft Game Launcher

[Zygote]

If piracy is not allowed on Subsim then I respectfully request silent hunter 5 be removed from the forum as it is clearly an attempt by Ubisoft Romania to obtain money by deception, purporting to be a finished working computer game when in fact it is not even close.

I don't think there has ever been a greater case of veiled thievery and deception relating to computer gaming software then Ubisoft Romania's release of Silent Hunter 5.

Its not a great surprise to me that it came from Romania. Along with Russia and the Ukraine, it tops the list for hacking, stealing intellectual property (piracy), extortion, diversion to premium telephone services and other computer related criminal or deceptive enterprises.

It really beggars belief that the rules here protect such a company from financial loss when the funds are generated by what in many countries would be considered criminal or at the least very unethical behavior.

[melendir]

Maybe the "Item that must not be mentioned" overwrote the Ubi launcher files, to prevent them from looking for the server, breaking the authentication. You have brought this upon youself by using illegal software. Maybe you should look for all ubisoft files and SH5 files and delete them, then reinstall SH5. if that doesnt work then reformat your HD and reinstall your operating system.

Edit.... (Hint) C:\Program Files\Ubisoft\Ubisoft Game Launcher

No that's not the case. I tried the "not mentioned" approach only after the Vanilla installation stopped working (and didn't work for 2-3 months). So the problem started with correct installation. Believe me I know what I'm doing :DL

The point of my question is that was my authentication issue common and if it was, does anyone know legal go-around (open some router port, edit some cfg, etc...) for that problem, since I don't want to go to illegal go-around. I did that only to prove my point, that this is authentication issue.

[jwilliams]

Have you tried uninstalling, deleting all Ubisoft folders. And then reinstalling SH5? Maybe the exe got corupt when it updated??? It's worth a try.

[Nisgeis]

The point of my question is that was my authentication issue common and if it was, does anyone know legal go-around (open some router port, edit some cfg, etc...) for that problem, since I don't want to go to illegal go-around.

Melendir, I don't think you have an authentication issue as such, because the game tries to authenticate when you start it up and also tries to synch save games at the menu. The game will also check for a connection when you are playing, so the authentication part must be working. I just checked to see if there was something special about the tutorial mission by unplugging the cable, but it notices and complains, so that part also must be using the authentication.

The only thing that I know is different between the tutorial and the proper game is the menu is hidden at the start, does the tutorial work when the menu appears? At what point does it kick you from the tutorial?

[melendir]

Have you tried uninstalling, deleting all Ubisoft folders. And then reinstalling SH5? Maybe the exe got corupt when it updated??? It's worth a try.

No I haven't uninstalled it for a long time. It suddenly stopped working without any changes in my end.

Uninstalling, cleaning and Re-installing might do the trick :)

Been lazy and not doing that and hoping that there could be some known reason for not working.

[melendir]

Melendir, I don't think you have an authentication issue as such, because the game tries to authenticate when you start it up and also tries to synch save games at the menu. The game will also check for a connection when you are playing, so the authentication part must be working. I just checked to see if there was something special about the tutorial mission by unplugging the cable, but it notices and complains, so that part also must be using the authentication.

The only thing that I know is different between the tutorial and the proper game is the menu is hidden at the start, does the tutorial work when the menu appears? At what point does it kick you from the tutorial?

Tutorial works fine, but after going to first mission after completing the tutorial, the game loads to the point, where you should get control of the sub in 3D world and crashes to desktop.

Same thing if skipping tutorial. The game loads until you would get control and crashes to desktop.

[Abd_von_Mumit]

I've been enjoying SH5 for almost a week since I bought it. Even made a micro-mod for it, hehe. Well, untill today, now all that the game is able to say to me is: "The internet connection experiences problems and the current game session was saved.". Of course my internet connection experiences no problems. I wrote to Ubisoft, I even got an answer, quite fast:

Hello,

First of all I would like inform you that the technical support doesn't tolerate abusive language. If you would like any further technical support I suggest you send your request using more appropriate language.

Kind regards,
Katarzyna
Ubisoft Technical Support

I'm not proud of how I addressed them. Lost my nerves, that's true. The very idea of being dependent on their servers... is just so unbelievably dumb I just can't believe someone devised it. I know that now, when I already have SH5, it's easy to say, but: I won't buy any DRM game again. It's just not worth the frustration. I said that I wouldn't buy SH4 and I didn't buy it, so this time I'll keep my word to myself as well.

[DavyJonesFootlocker]

Can I draw that Tech Support person's name since I can't pronounce it?:D:har:

[Highbury]

It really beggars belief that the rules here protect such a company from financial loss when the funds are generated by what in many countries would be considered criminal or at the least very unethical behavior.

The forum rules are not to protect any software company (legit or otherwise). They are there because the forum owner does not want illegal conduct on his boards, period. Seems pretty damn simple.

[IanC]

That had everything spelled correclty... either you are drunk, or you are an imposter. I realise it was a short message, but you really can make a meal of anything, so I assume you weren't trying there. Or you were drunk.

EDIT: 'Mate' is quote a modern term isn't it? For your mock style? If you're going to post nonsense, at least post it consistently. God, it's really not that difficult is it? You'd be really boring if you started posting normally, because actually you have nothing to say. Don't flake out on us, we need the comedy factor of your posts. Crank up the mock style, but you know, be consistent, don't go faux pirate, because that's really lame, me hearty.

Still posting out of your arse eh Nisgeis?

Btw if you're going to talk about spelling, you might just want to check your own. ;)

[Nisgeis]

Still posting out of your arse eh Nisgeis?

You are my constant inspiration.

[Zoomer96]

Why the heck did this thread get bumped back up? Haven't we discussed DRM enough already? The facts are nobody really wants it and SH5 is suffering from the stigmatism of it. There is no doubt in my mind that Ubisoft knows how everyone feels about DRM and they are punishing this genre by abandoning the game. Let's get on with our lives how bout it?