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Maltro

03-05-10, 09:09 PM

Hi, :salute: Does anybody has an idea to solve my problem please? :o

I have a Nvidia geforce 8800 GT 512 Mo card, try drivers versions 196.75 and 196.21 but at each time I have the same problem: Sun glare doesn't work correctly. I just see a yellow ball in the sky... like this :

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u204/maltro/SH4Img2008-04-05_021150_875.jpg

:damn: Instead of like this:

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u204/maltro/SH4Img2008-04-05_021207_515.jpg

:yeah: Pictures are from SH4. I have solve the problem by changing the nvidia control panel settings but this time it doesn't works... :wah:

Thanks! :sunny:

Lognoreng

03-05-10, 09:12 PM

Didnt this happen in SH4 with more than 4x AA?

A wild guess, disable Gamma correction..

That's all i can think of atm..

Frederf

03-05-10, 09:15 PM

SH4 didn't do proper AA, it was some muddling work around. When you forced real AA through the driver control panel this is exactly the effect that was seen.

ALL NEW CODE.

Echolot

03-05-10, 09:30 PM

Force AA in driver menu
Turn off Gamma Correction
Same as SHIII/4
Good luck.

Ships-R-Us

03-05-10, 09:35 PM

Didnt this happen in SH4 with more than 4x AA?

A wild guess, disable Gamma correction..

That's all i can think of atm..

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't it "AF" instead of "AA" I run 16XQ "AA" with no problems, but only 4x "AF".

Frederf

03-06-10, 12:03 AM

Ships-R-Us, that sounds right. Anything other than AA off "1x" the problem should be there. It makes no sense for AA 4x to work but AA 8x to not work, for example.

I think Echlot is right, driver-AA might possible if gamma correction is turned off. It's been a while since I worried about this with SH4 but if memory serves it was a conflict between AA and gamma correction.

Armistead

03-06-10, 02:02 AM

196.75 are bad drivers and been pulled by nvidia for overheating cards, ect...check the site, fairly sure they fried my card. Stick to the 21

Maltro

03-06-10, 06:24 AM

Silent Steel

03-06-10, 07:00 AM

Thank you for your reply!
I will try this set next time I will play (today of course ! :) ) and will tell you even if I think I have already try this during all my trials...
Does someone (with a 8800gt) wich have the sun glare effect on, could tell me exactly wich setting are turn on / off in nvidia control panel please?... :)
thx!

Hi Maltro

I run an nVidia GeForce 8800 with the following settings

Video Card: nVidia GeForce 8800 GTX
Driver: 6.14.11.6921 (old one but works flawlessly with lots of different sims)
nHancer settings:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=177&pictureid=1375

Works fine for me. Hope it solves your issues. :salute:

Besides - with Ctrl+PageUp/ Ctr+PageDown you can adjust this in game but can cause loss of AA settings. You better try the nHancer settings above first.

Regards

Maltro

03-06-10, 07:17 AM

Thank you Silent Steel :yeah: but I can't see your nhancer settings. :hmmm:

I have tried all the possible settings AA AF on-off-4X, with or without gama correction but at least.... : :damn:

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u204/maltro/SH5/SH52010-03-0613-08-22-18.jpg

Seeadler

03-06-10, 07:47 AM

I have tried all the possible settings AA AF on-off-4X, with or without gama correction but at least.... :
same here, tried all the settings but the sun is always a white golf ball at the sky. I have a GTX275 and use the 196.21 driver.

walsh2509

03-06-10, 07:51 AM

Sorry to piggyback onto this post , better than starting a new one and its to do with graphics anyway.

I have an ATI HD5770 1Gb DDR5 , I am no techie so what I say is a guess. When on patrol I was on the deck next to the deck gun (everyone does it at least once:DL) when I turned and looked up at the CT, sun was at my 180 not high and the P/scope housing and other shadows were showing through the CT.

Like the CT was near transparent , I guess this is not my card but part of the coding.

Are others seeing the same thing , no biggie , but its there ...

Maltro

03-06-10, 08:02 AM

same here, tried all the settings but the sun is always a white golf ball at the sky. I have a GTX275 and use the 196.21 driver.

So it is not my card but maybe this version of the nvidia driver?... Does someone has the sun glare on with the same version of the nvidia driver?

piri_reis

03-06-10, 08:49 AM

So it is not my card but maybe this version of the nvidia driver?... Does someone has the sun glare on with the same version of the nvidia driver?

Guys I had the sun without halo with .21 and the broken .96 drivers, .34 has given me a nice sanhalo, without any fuss over the AA,AF.. Give it a try if you want to. Got it from Guru3d..

Maltro

03-06-10, 11:16 AM

Guys I had the sun without halo with .21 and the broken .96 drivers, .34 has given me a nice sanhalo, without any fuss over the AA,AF.. Give it a try if you want to. Got it from Guru3d..

Piri reis, I haven't take care at your driver version .34 cause the only difference beetween .21 and .34 is a fix from nvidia to allow users to overclock the card.
But after your post, I decide to try. I found the .34 (beta) driver and install it but unfortunatly, the sun don't shine for me... I have done exactly the same settings as you sent me (default settings) but no result... I have tried to turn off gamma correction but no mean to have :sunny:

:damn:

FiL

03-06-10, 11:33 AM

HeLLo
Same sun without halo here on a NVidia GTX 260 with last good driver from NVidia.
@@++

Maltro

03-06-10, 04:14 PM

Sone7

03-06-10, 09:16 PM

Same problem here, both on 8600 and 8800... both .21 and .96

I'll give a try to 34 then, if theres any difference I will let u know.

Seeadler

03-06-10, 09:51 PM

I found out, the I can edit sunhalo.dds and sunhalo_hdr.dds in the ../data/Misc directory to a complete red color without any changes ingame. I can also delete these files from the directory without any drawbacks. There are also no copies of these files embedded in a DAT file. So this time, the rendering of sun glow must work in a different way as in SH3/4.

Or I assume it is again one of the things which were not implemented.:timeout:

rsvette12

03-06-10, 10:51 PM

Try these tweaks after loading nhancer this might be a nice fix

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=128517&highlight=nhancer

Rich

Silent Steel

03-07-10, 02:15 AM

Damned! We must know what is the difference beetween we and thoses wich have the same config and have sun halo... Please somebody help! (somebody who have an nvidia card and sun glare of course ok! :D)

I would like to show how is the halo which doesn't works fine (to be sure)... Here is a none working halo. Could someone who think his halo works post here with a screenshot and config/version of nvidia driver and setting of nvidia control panel please?

Here is my screenshot. We can see some effect but no shinny sun...

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u204/maltro/SH5/SH52010-03-0619-22-19-62.jpg

Hi again Maltro

Strange that you can't see my nHancer settings...
Can't you see the picture in my reply or? I enclose it once more just in case something went wrong. It is a bit unclear but anyway I think you can see the settings.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=177&pictureid=1375

About the driver - You are right - sorry.
You can find the driver 169.21 I am talking about on this address: http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_169.21_whql.html (http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_169.21_whql.html)

Now about nHancer -I use the version 2.4.5 but there is a newer version 2.5.7 on this address:

http://www.nhancer.com/ (http://www.nhancer.com/)

I use nHancer instead of the nVidia control panel (like many gamers that have nVidia cards do) because nHancer gives you many many more options to adjust your settings which the control panel does not.
The nHancer overrides the control panel so it just runs your card with the settings in nHancer.
My advice is that you should try it. You will be surprised at how much more your video card can give you.

A bientot :up:

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Maltro

03-07-10, 08:41 AM

Hi again Maltro

Strange that you can't see my nHancer settings...
Can't you see the picture in my reply or? I enclose it once more just in case something went wrong. It is a bit unclear but anyway I think you can see the settings.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=177&pictureid=1375

About the driver - You are right - sorry.
You can find the driver 169.21 I am talking about on this address: http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_169.21_whql.html (http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_169.21_whql.html)

Now about nHancer -I use the version 2.4.5 but there is a newer version 2.5.7 on this address:

http://www.nhancer.com/ (http://www.nhancer.com/)

I use nHancer instead of the nVidia control panel (like many gamers that have nVidia cards do) because nHancer gives you many many more options to adjust your settings which the control panel does not.
The nHancer overrides the control panel so it just runs your card with the settings in nHancer.
My advice is that you should try it. You will be surprised at how much more your video card can give you.

A bientot :up:

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Hi, sorry to insist :D but I can't see your nHancer settings! Here is what I can see:
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u204/maltro/SH5/Sanstitre-1copie.jpg

However I have following your tips and install exactly the same versions of the nvidia and nHancer drivers. I have set nHancer like RSVETTE12 (thank you RSVETTE) tell me to do but at least... same sad sun appear...

Silent Steel, could you post a printscreen of your settings ?... :D

Thank you all. :wah:

Maltro

03-07-10, 03:52 PM

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=177&pictureid=1375

rsvette12

03-07-10, 05:16 PM

Here you go

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/rsvette12/n1.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/rsvette12/n2.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/rsvette12/n3.jpg

Maltro

03-07-10, 05:48 PM

Thank you RSVETTE12. I have tried your settings but it does not works...
Wich version of nhancer do you have? I don't have exactly the same options?
Is it your settings for SH5 ? because in the right corner of your screens, we can see "settings: global" and not "profile". Maybe you have the same...
At least, I don't understand why it doesn't works for me!... :wah:

Which card do you have? Could you post a screenshot of your nice sun for my visual pleasure please?.... :oops:

rsvette12

03-07-10, 06:20 PM

Get back to you in 1/2 hour and post screenshot, thanks.

Rich

capthelm

03-07-10, 06:36 PM

mod coming shortly for new sunlight ray effects.
screen below

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/1316/sunlightmod.jpg (http://img651.imageshack.us/i/sunlightmod.jpg/)

rsvette12

03-07-10, 06:42 PM

Sweet shot can't wait :) Maltro here is a shot for you :)

Rich

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/rsvette12/sh_5.jpg

rsvette12

03-07-10, 06:47 PM

Maltro I did not change the profile tab that is stock, one thing I did do was turn on application off and picked multisampling 4x for this shot, I have replaced the screenshot for that above, well in a minute, not sure if this is what you are looking for or am I missing something ? I am running 196.21 drivers with gtx 285xxx card quite nice :) xp pro 4gig ram on a dual core.

Rich

Seeadler

03-07-10, 07:28 PM

I assume we are looking for a sun like this:

SH3:
http://s7b.directupload.net/images/100308/ctfzub5r.png
or

SH4:
http://s1b.directupload.net/images/100308/68tmjq8w.png

But as far as I've investigated in the directory and codes, SH5 does not use normal textures (*.tga, *.dds) for the Sun_Halo effect. The sun disk is hardcoded and receives from the config files only parameters for the color, size and multiplyers, not more. The rest of the visual sun effect, the HDR light and solar radiation are calculated by the new sky shaders.

Rubini

03-07-10, 07:58 PM

I assume we are looking for a sun like this:

SH3:
http://s7b.directupload.net/images/100308/ctfzub5r.png
...

Hi Seedler,

I just saw the picture above (Sh3), then a question: seems that you are running Sh3 in Widescreen mode but yours 2d (dials, etc) are in normal aspect, this is why they are a little short on the picture. Is this for real? If so, how you achieve to have both: widescreen and 2d tgas in correct aspect? Thanks in any advice!

rsvette12

03-07-10, 08:02 PM

Wow Seeadler much better than what I have hmm hopefully someone can figure this out that would be great. :DL

Rich

Seeadler

03-07-10, 08:15 PM

seems that you are running Sh3 in Widescreen mode but yours 2d (dials, etc) are in normal aspect, this is why they are a little short on the picture. Is this for real?
Yes it's for real!
I'm trying to develop my own widescreen soloution, see here my input here
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=160861&page=3

for now I've only expand the 3D viewport, all 2D vieports are stayed at 1024x768 res. It's "work in progress" and far from release, because for now I spent my spare time for playing SH5 and Bad Company 2 :sunny:

Rubini

03-07-10, 08:55 PM

Yes it's for real!
I'm trying to develop my own widescreen soloution, see here my input here
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=160861&page=3

for now I've only expand the 3D viewport, all 2D vieports are stayed at 1024x768 res. It's "work in progress" and far from release, because for now I spent my spare time for playing SH5 and Bad Company 2 :sunny:

That is awesome Seeadler. Please don´t give up. Sh3 deserves a good WS mod. Can i help you on going with this ahead? I don´t know nothing about coding in D3D but i can help making deeper tests, this way you will have some more free time to look at the code, etc. And can you give me a alfa/beta mod to look at/test it?

The problem with 2d is already good as you did (in the left or center, don´t matter. Do you tested also the env cam?

Thanks in any advice and keep up the good work!:up::up::up:

Maltro

03-08-10, 06:23 AM

Thank you silent steel, it is what I was thinking... We have the same sun!... I was looking for a sun like seeadler show us or like I did in the first page of this thread... Here you can see a real sun glare not a poor ball in the sky whit lovely diffraction effects.

So it is a "bug" of sh5 and so we have to wait for an hypothetic patch to correct this. Even if I think they won't do cause in the screenshots that ubisoft post before the game is out, sun looks like this yet.

I thank it was some screenshots made with an ATI card (I had some problem in sh3 whit this card before I bought an nvidia).

Maybe some moders will listen us and will make a mod to fix that?!.. Seeadler maybe?.... :)

Maltro

03-08-10, 06:45 AM

Just for "Le plaisir des yeux" as you say in France. :wah: (the pleasure of the eyes in English ?...:hmmm:)

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u204/maltro/SH4Img2008-04-27_220839_421.jpg

McHibbins

03-08-10, 11:50 AM

Imho CAPTHELMS "lightning mod" is a small, very slight workaround for this issue.

Maltro

03-08-10, 02:20 PM

Thanks for the tips, I haven't seen mods for SH5 yet. i am downloading it. Nice mod.:yeah:

Maltro

03-08-10, 05:42 PM

Not as perfect as SH4' sun but such better than stock!...

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1302841&posted=1#post1302841