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Darkreaver1980

03-04-10, 03:10 PM

Decoman

03-04-10, 03:12 PM

A bit early for a review eh. :smug:

Sunfighter

03-04-10, 03:14 PM

Supreme commander 2 is also getting scores in the mid to upper 80s. I swear the world of game rating sites has gone stupid.

KL-alfman

03-04-10, 03:14 PM

but you should neglect the users' rating of only the half of it.

Nordmann

03-04-10, 03:14 PM

Heh, guess they forgot to mention the missing features! I wonder how much Ubi 'donated' to get a favourable critique?

russ555

03-04-10, 03:16 PM

These days when reading reviews its best to ignore the score and just read what they say. Is it full of bugs? are there other major issues? Because these days you just can't trust most sites/mags gamespot in particular.

Sunfighter

03-04-10, 03:18 PM

And if they use the word "more accessable" for a game, avoid said game like the plague or lower your expectations drasticly.

Iron Budokan

03-04-10, 03:18 PM

How much money changed hands? :haha:

ichso

03-04-10, 03:18 PM

Holy Cow! One of the biggest three german magazines did review SH 5 and gived it 84%

http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/wertungskasten/action/45308/silent_hunter_5.html

They praise the good visuals, atmosphere and all the little features

Yep, one reviewer gave it 84, 61 user an average of 42.
The gamestar sells well, but they often have no idea what they're talking about. SH5 is a good example why - shallow review. Its already discussed in the german board as well.

Iliaz

03-04-10, 03:23 PM

Gamestar They don't know squat about anything. Struggeling for a reason d'etre they started praising graphics all over the hills and far away ten years gone. Faulty optics and they'll call in the troops, not that actual content could possibly have any value.

Their supposed "clintel" are just the folks that helped mess up the PC-market to the state it's in now.

As I said, I don't try to offend, but I really don't see why people still read this garbage, other than some twisted sence of tradition.

John Channing

03-04-10, 03:25 PM

But if they had said that they had hated the game I wonder how the responses from a number of the people in this thread would have gone.

No, I 'm really not. I already know.

JCC

Nordmann

03-04-10, 03:31 PM

But if they had said that they had hated the game I wonder how the responses from a number of the people in this thread would have gone.

No, I 'm really not. I already know.

JCC

Cue Knight in shining armour, riding to the rescue of both game and review of said game. *clop clop, clop clop*

http://www.pittsfield-ma.org/images/cleint_images/monty-python.jpeg

karamazovnew

03-04-10, 03:32 PM

Missing features? Maybe you forget that there are people who don't have any idea how SH3 and SH4 played with mods. Vanilla wise, the game is a gem. But the bugs... those need to be fixed very fast or the game will be severely punished by reviewers. I thought the game would get a 2.0 because of them or at least a "we'll review this after it actually works" comment. :D

ichso

03-04-10, 03:33 PM

I'm not choosing this wording to offend anybody, but **** Gamestar! They don't know squat about anything. Struggeling for a reason d'etre they started praising graphics all over the hills and far away ten years gone. Faulty optics and they'll call in the troops, not that actual content could possibly have any value.

Their supposed "clintel" are just the folks that helped mess up the PC-market to the state it's in now.

As I said, I don't try to offend, but I really don't see why people still read this garbage, other than some twisted sence of tradition.

To be honest: I was thinking about taking the opportunity of ranting a little about gamestar too in my previous post.
But I haven't read it in like 10 years. I stopped reading it just because the reasons you named and if nothing has changed since then, I think gamestar is still garbage. Just that I can't really tell what this magazine is worth overall nowadays.

urfisch

03-04-10, 03:35 PM

How much money changed hands? :haha:

this is the question...

:up:

Schunken

03-04-10, 03:36 PM

Beleive me my non-german friends...

"Gamestar" in Germany is what "The Sun" is for England :DL

Andreas

Ziggy

03-04-10, 03:39 PM

.....
They praise the good visuals, atmosphere and all the little features

Well if you only look at those things then it is a 84. Rough seas are fun. Good thing this is a pleasure cruise sim... oh wait, it's not.

karamazovnew

03-04-10, 03:39 PM

Here we go:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gamersglobal.de%2Ftest%2Fsilent-hunter-5%3Fpage%3D0%2C1

:haha: I still think we'll raise this puppy to SH3 levels and beyond, but still... :har:

janh

03-04-10, 04:05 PM

Rickenbacker

03-04-10, 04:11 PM

They probably just didn't have much time to play the game. Plus, if a freelancer did it, they might have picked one who knew little about sub sims, if he was available and could meet the (usually short) deadline. Not to mention the atrocious pay freelancers in the game journo biz get - they just can't afford to spend more than a few hours with a game, unless they really like it and can play it for fun in their spare time.

The sad truth about gaming journalism, trust me, I know.

OakGroove

03-04-10, 04:38 PM

Beleive me my non-german friends...

"Gamestar" in Germany is what "The Sun" is for England :DL

Andreas

Way back GS actually provided thorough (as thorough as you could expect from a gamemag) multi-page Simulation pre- and reviews. Falcon4 was praised for "exceptional realism" and got 92%. F4AF didn't fair that bad either, being awarded 85%. Times have changed. Coincidentally the reviewer of F4 was Mick Schnelle, same guy who reviewed SH5 on http://www.gamersglobal.de/test/silent-hunter-5 . Joerg Langers, founder of Gamestar, is now chief editor of Gamersglobal.

PCzone gave Operation Flashpoint 2 a 9/10 scoring. Some people will know how this turned out, the game is basically abandonware now.

Schunken

03-04-10, 04:41 PM

but this leads me to the question: Was "Gamestar" better in the past or the simulations.... :03:

Andreas

Zachstar

03-04-10, 04:45 PM

Seeadler

03-04-10, 04:47 PM

The GameStar can be now happy indeed. They will be supplied also in the future from Ubisoft with preview and test versions. :D

Bilge_Rat

03-04-10, 04:57 PM

Falcon4 was praised for "exceptional realism" and got 92%. F4AF didn't fair that bad either, being awarded 85%.

The original review does not mean anything. Falcon 4 was a dog when it was released in 99. Many features were missing when it was released (yes, way much more than SH5) The code was unstable and it was always a coin toss whether the game would crash before you finished your current mission. It took 6 years of work and F4AF to get F4 to the level it should have been in 99.

Easy Tiger

03-04-10, 05:01 PM

Beleive me my non-german friends...

"Gamestar" in Germany is what "The Sun" is for England :DL

Andreas
Says it all tbh. I'll wait for a proper review.

ParaB

03-04-10, 05:08 PM

The fun thing is that during an earlier preview they actually talked about the fact that their version was still very buggy. So they must have known about the problems at one time, and certainly not all got fixed by now. Smells fishy... and I don't mean the boat...

Webster

03-04-10, 05:08 PM

isnt that the same website that said DRM was the greatest thing to ever happen for gaming?

OakGroove

03-04-10, 05:40 PM

but this leads me to the question: Was "Gamestar" better in the past or the simulations.... :03:

Andreas

Both :)

OakGroove

03-04-10, 06:03 PM

The original review does not mean anything. Falcon 4 was a dog when it was released in 99. Many features were missing when it was released (yes, way much more than SH5) The code was unstable and it was always a coin toss whether the game would crash before you finished your current mission. It took 6 years of work and F4AF to get F4 to the level it should have been in 99.

I don't have SH5, so i can't draw a comparison on which game shipped in a worse state.:06: However. I was trying to point out that "back then" Simulation games had a reserved column in those magazines, with according reviews. F4 was the most complex combat flightsim of it's time, of course it had issues, and imo fully deserved the rating it got.

McHibbins

03-04-10, 06:48 PM

Maybe Gamestar is one of the three biggest game magazines but also the most incompetent. That´s not only my opinion, you can be sure of that:yep:

sav112

03-04-10, 06:52 PM

I probably give it great marks as well if I installed it and looked at it for a few hours. But do these guys know anything about this series I’ll go by what is on here by fans that know what they are talking about.

Onkel Neal

03-04-10, 11:16 PM

Question: was Gamestar one of the magazines that featured a preview a few months ago?

johnnyseven

03-04-10, 11:22 PM

Gamestar is pulling a "shiftey". Gracious Salutations to the folks of "Grey Wolves" as we still have a great subsim of the Atlantic Theatre of Operations.:o

ichso

03-05-10, 02:38 AM

Question: was Gamestar one of the magazines that featured a preview a few months ago?
Yes!

Yak

03-05-10, 06:15 AM

in the middle of reading this review, a big Ubisoft advertisement pops up -- Assassins Creed 27. Know that reminds me of a different thread regarding Ubi and reviews/previews here...

Unfortunately this review doesn't have much "meat" in it. Not surprising for Gamestar, Andreas is correct. Not much details or facts, little to learn from it. When again is Neal's Subsim review due? I guess that has become more or less the verdict by which all subsims are measured...

let me guess how it will go:

"The development of SH5 was shrouded in a lot of controversy that bitterly divided the community on our forums [link] with the controversial new OSP form of DRM.
Ubi was also shifty in giving out preview copies, we only received ours two weeks before release.
And the game has bugs, some pretty major ones, but there are already patches out, and more on the way.
But the game is great, a true diamond in the rough, and unpolished gem, a flower in early spring, a mildly polished turd, the guys at Ubi Romania are swell, ubi are great and send us review copies, because, lets face it, nobody else makes subsims and we don't have a choice but to do what they tell us, and take it up the arse without so much as a reach around.

The game is beautiful, you can almost hear the voices from das boot as [that guy] said [that thing] to [that other guy] and we all laughed, or the time we watched [other sub movie] and remember the heart racing tension of [that bit] as the beautifully rendered water floods into the fully 3D cabin, and swells around your crew, you can interact with them personally, something longed for since the days of [insert stone powered computer]

But after all that, if you're a dedicated subsimmer, go out and buy SH5, show support to our hobby, the dedicated modders, the hard working folks in Romania, our sole reason for existence..."

Colour me cynical... :zzz:

Yskonyn

03-05-10, 06:28 AM

There have been several articles over the last year and a half revealing that many reviews are rigged.
They are part of a contract and indeed money is paid for favorable ratings. Did you ever wonder how in heaven a game can already ship with review scores on its box on day 1 release?

It's best to just go by the opinion of a group of people whom you know have similar gaming interests. That's a much more reliable 'review' than the ones presented by gamespot and their fellow thugs.

Steeltrap

03-05-10, 06:43 AM

let me guess how it will go:
Colour me cynical... :zzz:

Beautiful

:har:

ichso

03-05-10, 08:20 AM

"The development of SH5 was shrouded in a lot of controversy that bitterly divided the community on our forums [link] with the controversial new OSP form of DRM.
Ubi was also shifty in giving out preview copies, we only received ours two weeks before release.
And the game has bugs, some pretty major ones, but there are already patches out, and more on the way.
But the game is great, a true diamond in the rough, and unpolished gem, a flower in early spring, a mildly polished turd, the guys at Ubi Romania are swell, ubi are great and send us review copies, because, lets face it, nobody else makes subsims and we don't have a choice but to do what they tell us, and take it up the arse without so much as a reach around.

The game is beautiful, you can almost hear the voices from das boot as [that guy] said [that thing] to [that other guy] and we all laughed, or the time we watched [other sub movie] and remember the heart racing tension of [that bit] as the beautifully rendered water floods into the fully 3D cabin, and swells around your crew, you can interact with them personally, something longed for since the days of [insert stone powered computer]

But after all that, if you're a dedicated subsimmer, go out and buy SH5, show support to our hobby, the dedicated modders, the hard working folks in Romania, our sole reason for existence..."

Colour me cynical... :zzz:

Lol. Its easy to imagine Neal altering his review right now to not match your vision of it :D

ParaB

03-05-10, 08:25 AM

Update:

Gamestar hast pulled the review of SH5 off the site and has announced that they will look at it again, due to the MANY complaints by their community. And yeah, I wrote a comment or two there, too...

:yeah:

ichso

03-05-10, 08:50 AM

So much for the gamestar, I'm leaving for PC Action...
That's like leaving the TAZ for Bild
:rotfl2:

We will see what their reconsideration gives us.