Does anyone else feel kinda... ripped off?

[Gotmilk]

I am not happy :(

This game is unfinished. I cannot even play it. It is almost like the Boiling Point game was.

I am not saying anything bad about the developers, but UBI should have more respect to their customers and not to rush their game. I would have gladly waited 1 year more for completed game with all features.

Now the situation is like this. The modders, instead of adding content will repair this game from their spare time.

Never seen this kind of thing happened in the gaming community.

Here take our half ass-ed game and finish it yourself. Give us 50 bucks.

Too bad i cannot return this game. :cry: Next time i know better, instead of rushing off and buy the anticipated game i just wait for couple of day-s and see what reviewers say.


I am so incredibly stupid idiot. I could buy a nice present for my wife with this money but nooooo... instead i waste my hard earned money on this half made game that i wont play for a while.

[3DDevil]

+1 here.... I couldnt resist... I have bought all of em!!....

[Letum]

I got a bargain. I didn't get ripped off at all.
I didn't buy it.

Never seen this kind of thing happened in the gaming community.

It's not the first time buggy unfinished games have been released because
someone thought a deadline was more important than a quality product.
It's not the first time player have complained when this has happened
either.

It is, however, the fist time I have seen it this bad.

[XXi]

It is that damn quantity over quality policy so popular among big companies. Finish one project on time - doesn`t matter if it`s buggy or not, it can be patched, people will buy it anyway and there are new projects to come.

Meh... :/ I was working for some time in the game industry myself and at least I stoppep having delusions.

[davidaspy]

I learnt from SH4 and havnt bought it. They've just done the same thing again.

[Iliaz]

...It is, however, the fist time I have seen it this bad.

I seem to be the only one how still remembers SH4. A game so messed up, its still (4 year's later!) not playable. If it wasn't for the then-nice graphics SH4 would have died a guresome death at the bottom of the bargain bin. SH5 in compare is a pristine and flawless product.

I know alot of you guys are angry, but lets keep it leveled.

[Iron Budokan]

I got a bargain. I didn't get ripped off at all.
I didn't buy it.



It's not the first time buggy unfinished games have been released because
someone thought a deadline was more important than a quality product.
It's not the first time player have complained when this has happened
either.

It is, however, the fist time I have seen it this bad.

I agree. There were complaints about /3 and /4 when they were released, and well deserved, too. But, sheesh, I've never seen this level of frustration, bitterness, and anger before as regards SH5....

[Fire_Spy]

I guess people are as mad as hell and are not gonna take it anymore?...:hmmm:

[dangrey]

This game is unfinished ... I love SH4, and if SH5 had the same commands available then I would be much happier. I think SH5 will turn out to be great with mods in the future, but without mods, well ... You can always hope that there will be a major patch to fix/ add the things that we expected to be there in the first place, but we'll see ... :down: to UBIsoft

[JU_88]

The reality is this-
If your'er sick of unfinnished games (& DRM), buy a PS3 or a 360.
As a mainstream games platform the PC is something of a sinking ship....

we all want a finely polished sim out the box with no DRM..... but its not the 90's anymore,
its 2010 and simulators are unpopular. casual, retro & mobile gaming is where the money is at.

Such is life.

[Blood_splat]

I can't even install my copy from impulse.:har:

[Gezoes]

It is, however, the fist time I have seen it this bad.

Cough, Empire Total War, cough. Besides being horrible at release, it CTD'ed about every 20 minutes. Reading about SH5 doesn't exactly convince me to buy it, at all. From what I've been reading it's pretty bad and dumbed down.

[Fincuan]

Meh, you should have all seen the Codemasters' forums when Dragon Rising was released and turned out not only to be buggy, but also not "Operation Flashpoint" at all. The outcry here is very mild compared to that, although to be fair Subsim is Subsim and the companies' official forums are another thing... Judging by what I've seen in the past Ubi's forum isn't called Ubizoo for nothing.

[xboxer]

Meh, you should have all seen the Codemasters' forums when Dragon Rising was released and turned out not only to be buggy, but also not "Operation Flashpoint" at all. The outcry here is very mild compared to that, although to be fair Subsim is Subsim and the companies' official forums are another thing... Judging by what I've seen in the past Ubi's forum isn't called Ubizoo for nothing.

Maybe because the SH community is more to a niche market unlike OF DR mainstream market? Anyway I went through DR without much hiccups except the dumb AI.

[tonyeh]

Great!

Now, I have another reason to go back to SH3.

It's funny, when I bought SH4 a few years ago, I found it unplayable and shelved it until a few days ago. It's still wobbly and inferior to SH3.

Now, I find that UBI has forced a release of an unfinished product yet again! I don't know why they couldn't have held fire and let the dev team complete the job. It's not like they're trying to get the Christmas rush or anything.

[ReFaN]

im actually enjoying Silent Hunter 5, its a very fun game, in MY oppinion, sure its buggy. But its playable.

[xboxer]

Great!

Now, I have another reason to go back to SH3.

It's funny, when I bought SH4 a few years ago, I found it unplayable and shelved it until a few days ago. It's still wobbly and inferior to SH3.

Now, I find that UBI has forced a release of an unfinished product yet again! I don't know why they couldn't have held fire and let the dev team complete the job. It's not like they're trying to get the Christmas rush or anything.

I wasn't even impressed with SH4..... SH5 seems even worse than SH4.

[codmander]

stores here didnt even order it ganestop.best buy no-go so i would either have to order it or travel...50$ plus shipping or gas....:hmmm:...no thanks...what a fukin bummer...wait n wait and wait.. for a unfinished piece of junk........I have a right to be pissed wasting my time........
...................ps excuse my french

[xboxer]

stores here didnt even order it ganestop.best buy no-go so i would either have to order it or travel...50$ plus shipping or gas....:hmmm:...no thanks...what a fukin bummer...wait n wait and wait.. for a unfinished piece of junk........I have a right to be pissed wasting my time........
...................ps excuse my french

I'm saving my money for DOW 2 Chaos Rising. :smug: Maybe you should save your money for something else too.

There are so many good games in the pipeline these days. We do not have to give Ubisoft a cent. And BF: BC2 is keeping me busy. :up:

[Mash]

This is why I have a personal rule. I have stopped buying new games until 6-12 months after release. This way all of the patches and mods have been created and the companies like UBI are not getting my full business.

Now, I have to add to my rules and not purchase any game with this type of DRM.

[codmander]

This is why I have a personal rule. I have stopped buying new games until 6-12 months after release. This way all of the patches and mods have been created and the companies like UBI are not getting my full business.

Now, I have to add to my rules and not purchase any game with this type of DRM.
ditto:|\\

[Conrad von Kaiser]

The reality is this-
If your'er sick of unfinnished games (& DRM), buy a PS3 or a 360.
As a mainstream games platform the PC is something of a sinking ship....

we all want a finely polished sim out the box with no DRM..... but its not the 90's anymore,
its 2010 and simulators are unpopular. casual, retro & mobile gaming is where the money is at.

Such is life.

Even the PS3 and Xbox games have problems on first release. (I've got both of them lol) For instance, new game came out recently. Need to input a code to unlock content due to EA's "Ten dollar program" (They're trying to make it so you buy the game new as opposed to used)

Go to put the code in to "unlock" the rest of the game modes, place I have to do this is currently down. EA is "working on the problem but no ETA of functionality"

In other words, I have a game, that I can't play fully because I have to unlock stuff in it, and can't because the unlock server is down.

Other games have critical faults too when they release. Some of them I couldn't play at all on release day. It just seems they're pretty quick with patches on the console.

[Sailor Steve]

I seem to be the only one how still remembers SH4. A game so messed up, its still (4 year's later!) not playable.
Three years, not four, and it is very playable. I still have a few complaints, but I play it all the time and have a lot of fun.

[gutted]

Did i feel ripped off?

Initially somewhat, but after i calmed down and kept playing no.

Are things missing and not working as intended? yes. am i miffed about that? yes.

But it's still playable, and it will only get better. If you continue to feel let down you will hate it. If you accept it for what it is and can have alittle patience while the modders & patches allow it to reach it's full potential... it is an investment worth every penny.

I dont mean to come of as apologetic for the devs... but it is what it is and im over it now.

Mods are aleady turning up to make it what it should have been.

[FIREWALL]

I KNEW what I was buying when I plunked my credit card on BestBuys counter.

Anyone with decent eyesight and brains after watching videos and trailers KNEW what they were getting if they've ever played RPG\FPS games.

So What!!! Gonna whine now ?

[java`s revenge]

The graphics are fine, BUT an hour thinking, searching, finding out
to use the periscope is enough for me. I did sink a ship by using the uzo.
and just 5 minutes ago i couldn`t even use that anymore.


ENOUGH IS ENOUGH UBI !!!! Why don`t listening to your customers?????

Why haven`t we the commonds of sh3 ????

yes okay

m=map
ctrl page up = periscope up
ctrl page down = periscope down

and thats it.

[pippin65]

I want to love this game but I simply can't. It's almost unplayable...maybe afetr several patches and mods....too bad

[Faamecanic]

I seem to be the only one how still remembers SH4. A game so messed up, its still (4 year's later!) not playable. If it wasn't for the then-nice graphics SH4 would have died a guresome death at the bottom of the bargain bin. SH5 in compare is a pristine and flawless product.

I know alot of you guys are angry, but lets keep it leveled.

Nope... your not the only one. Which is why I didnt run out and pre-order. I did pre-order (or buy on first week) SH3 and SH4..... after SH4 I said never again.

Im hearing the same arguments and counter-arguments about the game I heard with SH3 and especially SH4.

Game is half baked and not finished (argument)

But the graphics make it worth it (counter argument)

or my favorite

If you didnt run out and buy this at release Ubi wont make the series anymore! Be Happy there is even a SH5 (another worthless counter)

Meanwhile UBI thinks the market for a good sub-sim is dried up because they didnt sell 1,000,000 copies of SH5 the first week. Selling even less than SH4 did and that was less than SH3 did.

UBI doesnt DARE ask itself WHY intial sales are lower.... they just know they are lower.

[Faamecanic]

Three years, not four, and it is very playable. I still have a few complaints, but I play it all the time and have a lot of fun.

Sorry Steve.... no disrespect here....but I stopped playing SH 4 after I was dumb enough to buy the SH4 expansion.

Graphically... the sky moving at 1,000kts over me, a sub that floats out of the water in rough seas, "ghost" crewmen with missing eyes and that were translucent in fog..etc etc... was just enough to ruin the immersion.

Gameplay wise.... its OK. AI...still dumb as a box of rocks. My modus operandi is to torpedo a convoy and go right under them to avoid the escorts. The only time they are a threat is if I surface in visual range.


GWX still has my full attention when I want a sub sim that FEELS like a dangerous metal tube surrounded by 100's of psi of water and ticked off enemy above.

[Uber Gruber]

I'm not gonna whine....promise:yep:

Cos i'm not gonna buy....promise:yep:

[Goatman455]

"I am so incredibly stupid idiot. I could buy a nice present for my wife with this money but nooooo... instead i waste my hard earned money on this half made game that i wont play for a while."

Don't blame yourself because they released early. They were the one's doing the unethical behavior by trying to get your hard earned money before they deserved it. We are all on the same boat (no pun intended, maybe if I had said "sub") here it is a shame that this has become the economic standard, quantity over quality.

I mean how can you be blamed, SH3 was an instant classic, 4, was buggy but got fixed quick, no one could have predicted 5 would have the highest potential but fail to reach it.

[Faamecanic]

I mean how can you be blamed, SH3 was an instant classic, 4, was buggy but got fixed quick, no one could have predicted 5 would have the highest potential but fail to reach it.

THis is said with HEAVY sarcasm I hope..... cause if it wasnt I want the good stuff you have been smokin :yeah:

[janh]

Wow, what a huge surprise SHV turned out to be... ROFL. Not that people didn't point out that possibility in this forum already weeks ago... People that still had the experience with previous releases in mind.

Now, where are all the people that complained about "whiners" warning of the upcoming disaster...?

[Agustus]

Yeah, I feel ripped off. Shelled out $60 for the pre-sale gold edition. Been a hassle ever since. I understand the need for companies to release games at some point in time, and often do the finishing in the first couple of patches. That's just part of the nature of the gaming industry.

But what happened here is ridiculous. Along with the mechanics being so off-the-charts bad. I've seen sequels done properly - just take a look at Mass Effect 2 and Bioshock 2. Perfect examples of well thought out, well executed and 99% bug-free releases.

There's no doubt that if I could ask for my money back, I would. And I've learned my pre-order lesson. That won't be happening any longer.

[Sailor Steve]

It's funny, but I feel just the opposite, even though I don't own the game. If not for 'IT' I would have bought it sight unseen, and not felt ripped off even as it seems to stand now.

SH3 had its problems. Most of them were fixed with patches, and the mods have made it a sim to remember.

SH4 had its problems. Most of them were fixed with patches. One more would have been nice. Thanks to work still being done on SH3, a lot of SH4's potential is still being ignored and I'm still hoping for the mods for that superior game.

SH5 has its problems. There has been one patch. It is looking to be more mod-friendly than any sub sim yet, and a year from now might be the game we truly want, even though 'we' means several different games.

Once 'IT' is gone I'll be buying it, so I can say with confidence that I won't feel ripped off once I have it, no matter how it turns out.

I KNEW what I was buying when I plunked my credit card on BestBuys counter.

Anyone with decent eyesight and brains after watching videos and trailers KNEW what they were getting if they've ever played RPG\FPS games.

So What!!! Gonna whine now ?
You did.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162770

[Conrad von Kaiser]

UBI doesnt DARE ask itself WHY intial sales are lower.... they just know they are lower.

I can honestly say I'd blame their marketing department on that. I didn't see any ads, commercials, heck even blurbs in the gaming pages I go to. Well not until I saw the articles appear on the DRM issues.

To be honest found out about SH5 quite by accident while browsing the "soon to be released" section at my local Gamestop. Found this forum shortly after (And also found out about the U-Boat add on for SH4 through this forum)

[Heretic]

I don't feel ripped off. I think I had pretty realistic expectations going in, having seen the same thing with the earlier titles. I mainly bought it early so I could fiddle with the files.

However, I did buy the Gold Edition expecting the 'strategy guide' to be what the manual should have been. The strategy guide is as big a joke as the manual. I do feel I wasted my money there.:down:

[FiL]

HeLLo
Hélas, the game is unplayable out of the box with that poor manual. It's just a shame.
But, now, I've to practice and forget that poor impression.
Good luck all ;) :)

[Task Force]

Lol, I guess "3rd times a charm" is true to the SH series

1 Was good, 2 was also, IMO 3 was AWSOME, 4 pretty suckie at release, but got better, 5 (currently) Sucks.:rotfl2:
maby its cause are expectations went up...

[Schunken]

Well....

Its not what I hope for, but I feel not ripped-off....

I bought Sh1 nice....

I bought Sh2 not so nice

I bought SH3 not so nice but after modders took care very playable

I bought SH4 bad, yes bad...but after modders take cair its fair....

I bought SH5 worse.....motr than worse

So how I feel?

I can not decide between:

a) stupid or
b) believe in the power of the modders....

I took b, nobody like to be stupid.... ;)


Andreas

[Nisgeis]

1 Was good, 2 was also, IMO 3 was AWSOME, 4 pretty suckie at release, but got better, 5 (currently) Sucks.:rotfl2:
maby its cause are expectations went up...

Has everyone (except Firewall who doesn't like to be included in generalisations) got brain damage leading to memory loss? SH3 was a buggy mess when it was released. Half the people playing it got CTDs when trying to auto manage the crew. The other half of the people turned on the first half and in true fanboy style ranted about it not being Ubi's fault if they didn't update their device drivers and such. Later it turned out that this game breaking side effect was in fact a bug and was patched out. Not one fanboy apologised for the false accusations of user error they may have made (they know who they are), how tragically predicatble. So no, SH3 wasn't awesome out of the box. Maybe your copy of SH5 came with some rose tinted spectacles, with which to review past silent hunter franchise history, but mine didn't.

If you think SH3 was awesome out of the box, you weren't there man!

Unless you mean by SH3 was awesome, that SH3 is awesome?

[V.C. Sniper]

blame it on the suits not the devs.

[JScones]

Wow, what a huge surprise SHV turned out to be... ROFL. Not that people didn't point out that possibility in this forum already weeks ago... People that still had the experience with previous releases in mind.

Now, where are all the people that complained about "whiners" warning of the upcoming disaster...?
That's what I keep thinking. Anyone who has hung around here for the last few months and then went out and bought the game on day 1 and now wishes they hadn't, well, it's not like there wasn't enough scepticism here (based on what Ubisoft fed us) to warn all but the most fervent optimists.

Seems that some of the "whiners" may have got it right? Shock, horror, LOL.

More power to those who are enjoying the game though. :rock:

[Gotmilk]

Taking a look what happens in the modders forum i slowly begin to get my faith back :yeah:

History repeats itself for a third time. :yep:

[looney]

The problem is MODS shouldn't need to repair flaws in the game. MODS are for making the game more as you want to play it! The functionality needs to be there and not after 3 or 4 patches.

I'm gonna wait untill it's in the sales bin.

[Gunnodayak]

Half the people playing it got CTDs when trying to auto manage the crew.
I am still having CTD now, even in GWX, that is a stock issue that cannot be "modded". It "belongs" to the devs and to the devs only.

[Bubblehead1980]

To those who called skeptics like myself "whiners" I would tell you I told you so but that would be gloating:har::salute::arrgh!:

[Noren]

Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice shame on you.

Im not gonna give ubisoft the benefit of doubt and as such I only
buy games after they have proven to be a success.

Unless I have actually played a good demo myself or read several objective reviews.

WHEN WILL WE EVER LEARN? IS THERE A LIMIT?

[Gunnodayak]

IS THERE A LIMIT?
No, unfortunately, there isn't. Sad, but true.

[IanC]

WHEN WILL WE EVER LEARN? IS THERE A LIMIT?

As long as people keep buying and pre-ordering (:doh:) game companies will keep releasing them unfinished. Ubisoft should pay the modders, I'm serious.

[Gunnodayak]

As long as people keep buying and pre-ordering (:doh:) game companies will keep releasing them unfinished. Ubisoft should pay the modders, I'm serious.
If I would be a modder I would have three options:
1. to charge UBI for fixing their mess (in the degree that mess can be fixed, because you cannot fix the core code of the game if it's crappy, and in SH5 it is big time)
2. to make mods but keep them for myself;
3. not to make any mods anymore.

And please don't take option #2 as something pointed against the users, but against the UBI lack of respect to the customer policies. Something like UBI is giving us crap and somebody must clean the mess for the users, and absolve them from the responsibility, somebody else than themselves, it's not fair.

[Iliaz]

Three years, not four, and it is very playable. I still have a few complaints, but I play it all the time and have a lot of fun.

I just recently tried SH4 and although I patched it I still had the same problems I had three (sorry 'bout that ;)) years ago. I still had CTD's, I still didn't get no Mission updates and I still served with the "Event Horizon"-esque eyeless crew.

I'm sure that with mods its quite enjoyable, but in my opinion in its "final" (i.e. patched) Vanilla state SH4 is still far worse than SH5 in its current state.