View Full Version : The Reason Why DRM Didn't(!) Fail
Dear all,
I have to start a new thread because almost everybody here believes now that SH5 is cr***ed already and that DRM is a big failure.
Here's the reason why I'm convinced, it's not:
All of you didn't purchase a complete game, but only fragments of it. The (illegal) copies are fragments, too. Therefore it makes perfect sense for UBI not to put any efforts in preventing pirates from removing the 'staying online' requirement. At some point, the game needs data from the web to continue, that's the point where the cr**k will fail.
So, honest buyers will still have to deal with the DRM-restrictions, but they are not 'outplayed' by owners of illegal copies :rock:
Cheers
urfisch
03-04-10, 06:07 AM
just found:
(EDIT: reference to pirated 1.1 update patch for sh5 removed - lets not advertise it please)
lol...but in the core, you are right.
Zachstar
03-04-10, 06:10 AM
That is one of the weirdest posts I have ever seen on this forum. (And note the amount of time I spend in general for how I view that)
I could care less about being "outplayed" If I have to have DRM (And I support light DRM these days) It HAS to be unobtrusive and adaptive to the user situation. I just want to play the damn game and an always on requirement means that things COMPLETELY outside my control (You cant have a backup Internet) can prevent that.
People moan about Steam even tho it has a fully complete offline play function built right in. Its DRM that works and seeing that Ubisoft uses steam why on EARTH would they not offer their games without their silly DRM?
Feuer Frei!
03-04-10, 06:11 AM
Hmmm. so ******** wasted their time....i doubt that
and no, i don't have a you know what copy...
however, doesn't look like just a no-cd to me...
more went into it...
all i need/want to add to this you know what thread, or any others like it is:
http://www.actiontrip.com/images/lolubi.jpg
jwilliams
03-04-10, 06:15 AM
I fully understand what OP is saying.....
Illigal downloads, and offline cracks will not be patched.
there for pirated versions will only have the game that is not finished....
AKA - the game you all own now.
im guessing ubi will release some patches soon to make the game finished.
Maybe thats what the Morale bug is????
e.g. http://play.tm/news/26667/eidos-catch-out-batman-arkham-asylum-pirate/
IpseDixit
03-04-10, 06:18 AM
Even if I were to go down that dark and unsavory path with SH5, I've paid enough attention to the 'warez scene' to know that most of the guys who crack this stuff have their ADD kick in somewhere around the time of the second or third patch, and then no more 'cracked' patches are forthcoming.
Given from what I've heard so far in this forum I could clearly see Silent Hunter 5 going through more revisions than the Duggars and Octomon have children (combined!), I think you're best off buying a copy and sparing yourself the heartache and sleepless nights.
Until a mod comes along:
Everyone should read this sticky, updated not but a few hours ago:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=155270
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All discussion on these topics is not permitted. Full stop.
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piri_reis
03-04-10, 06:22 AM
just found:
lol...but in the core, you are right.
Don't you understand, it's illegal to talk about it here.
Post reported.
urfisch
03-04-10, 06:41 AM
thank you...
Until a mod comes along:
Everyone should read this sticky, updated not but a few hours ago:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=155270
This kind of discussion is not allowed here at Subsim. Take it elsewhere.
All discussion on these topics is not permitted. Full stop.
I'm fine with that, totally. :up:
But in the thread you mentioned everyone talks about the 'fact' that SH5 can be played illegally. IMO, that's not the case and people should stop trying.
That is one of the weirdest posts I have ever seen on this forum. (And note the amount of time I spend in general for how I view that)
I could care less about being "outplayed" If I have to have DRM (And I support light DRM these days) It HAS to be unobtrusive and adaptive to the user situation. I just want to play the damn game and an always on requirement means that things COMPLETELY outside my control (You cant have a backup Internet) can prevent that.
People moan about Steam even tho it has a fully complete offline play function built right in. Its DRM that works and seeing that Ubisoft uses steam why on EARTH would they not offer their games without their silly DRM?
Excuse me, why is it 'weird'? I don't like the requirement to be online all the time, either. If DRM's purpose is to lockout people playing illegal copies, than this might be the way how it works, here.
Nothing official, but almost everybody who didn't pay for his 'copy' of SH5 experiences major problems with the mission management; just follow their comments :smug:
How can most people here assume that the permanent connection is only required to gather information about you and your playing habits? You mostly download game data in the background. If UBI plays it right, no group will ever grap the whole game content in their 'releases' :)
To quote (and add to) Neil:
Ubisoft: +1 (DRM) -1 (bugs) -1 (bad press) = -1
Pirates: -1
Consumers: -1 (DRM) -1 (bugs) +1 (no working illegal copies) = -1
So, only losers here ...?
I think there is a big misconception about game DRM at the moment.
From our perspective as gamers we just can't understand why a company like Ubi implements such security which gets in the way of our enjoyment of a purchased product and yet is cracked in short order....
The problem is this - we don't understand why Ubi and other games are using security now!
The reality is that from their perspective they lose money due to open piracy and to used game sales - security has not stopped piracy but it HAS stopped used PC Game sales. This is the reason why digital distribution is also doing well - you can't resell it.
Based on the legal aspects of software purchasing, reselling of games (or any software) isn't strictly speaking in accordance with the Terms of purchase but is generally considered "morally" ok. With these security methods though, Ubi effectively cut off that whole aspect thus protecting at least a portion of their revenue.
They're (not just Ubi, all the big companies) doing this with video game consoles as well by releasing downloadable content with various keys etc. In fact I think it was activision who wanted to provide a key so the ending of a game could be downloaded to a console only once thus stopping any used game selling....
So, DRM is working as far as Ubi are concerned since it has killed a market that up until a few years ago was a big source of lost revenue.
Pirates will always pirate, but the used game purchaser who *thinks* they're playing by the book (although as I mentioned that is questionable) is forced to buy new or don't buy.
r.
Another misinformed invidual trying to praise the gaming business' draconian efforts to control it's customers. :roll:
And no, I didn't pirate it, this has nothing to do with that. What this is all about is to make the gaming business realise they are fighting a war they can't win and that they should stop and put the money they use for their POS DRM's to the game instead.
Another misinformed invidual trying to praise the gaming business' draconian efforts to control it's customers. :roll:
Excuse me, are you talking about me ...? If so, did you read all of my posts in this thread? I don't like this kind of DRM-implementation, either - period. I'm traveling a lot and can't be online all the time. That's the reason, why I didn't buy SH5, yet.
All I'm saying is that people shouldn't laugh about UBI that much ("DRM failed on day 1" etc.). From their point of view, it (still?) works.
And I close (I think, that was my 'mistake', before) with the statement: No, I don't like the way DRM is implemented, now!
:03:
Excuse me, are you talking about me ...? If so, did you read all of my posts in this thread? I don't like this kind of DRM-implementation, either - period. I'm traveling a lot and can't be online all the time. That's the reason, why I didn't buy SH5, yet.
All I'm saying is that people shouldn't laugh about UBI that much ("DRM failed on day 1" etc.). From their point of view, it (still?) works.
And I close (I think, that was my 'mistake', before) with the statement: No, I don't like the way DRM is implemented, now!
:03:
Nope, didn't read it all. I don't have the attention span required for that. :DL
B_O_L_T
03-05-10, 06:44 AM
I would like to know how this forum belives I gave this thread a 5 star rating when I have NEVER voted on any thread here, something stinks.:hijacked:
I would like to know how this forum belives I gave this thread a 5 star rating when I have NEVER voted on any thread here, something stinks.:hijacked:
I was also curious about this - as the OP, I thought I couldn't rate this thread at all, but it tells me that I've already done so (which, of course, I didn't). :o
gamingdave
03-05-10, 08:43 AM
I think there is a big misconception about game DRM at the moment
.....
The reality is that from their perspective they lose money due to open piracy and to used game sales - security has not stopped piracy but it HAS stopped used PC Game sales. This is the reason why digital distribution is also doing well - you can't resell it.
....
So, DRM is working as far as Ubi are concerned since it has killed a market that up until a few years ago was a big source of lost revenue.
Nail on head.
It has nothing to do with piracy, and all to do with second hand sales. The "DRM" has been cracked, and was always going to be cracked instantly. Software always is, including very expensive suites for creative industries. The patches will be hacked very quickly aswell.
The game does not download anything when you are playing, neither does Assasins Creed 2. Of course Ubi came out yesterday and said that users not playing legit copies are not playing the full game, but really thats all just words.
DRM didnt stop me buying SHV as soon as I could, and its a keeper so I wouldnt care about resale anyway. Doesnt meen I have to like the DRM though, and its quite clear its not going to affect piracy.
Nail on head.
It has nothing to do with piracy, and all to do with second hand sales. The "DRM" has been cracked, and was always going to be cracked instantly. Software always is, including very expensive suites for creative industries. The patches will be hacked very quickly aswell.
The game does not download anything when you are playing, neither does Assasins Creed 2. Of course Ubi came out yesterday and said that users not playing legit copies are not playing the full game, but really thats all just words.
DRM didnt stop me buying SHV as soon as I could, and its a keeper so I wouldnt care about resale anyway. Doesnt meen I have to like the DRM though, and its quite clear its not going to affect piracy.
How stupid would Ubisoft be, if this is true? Rise of Flight hasn't been cracked, either!
If they're not completely insane, they download game content at runtime, believe me ...
Fantasm
03-05-10, 09:05 AM
The whole thing is that for many people, a paritally working or even fully working 'copy' of the game will do just fine until the game hits the budget bin at Walmart... The same as a crappy camera copy of a movie will suffice for a lot of people until the pre-rented copies are selling at blockbuster for $5.
The partially or maybe fully working version, will be enough for many curious people to like or dislike the game, get their 'fix' or whatever....
And also, all the negative hype about DRM will encourage a lot of people to adopt a wait and see attitude and probably wait for it to hit the cheap shelves...
And there are those who will not buy it as it is...
I was looking at a trailer for SH5 on my Pc last weekend... my buddy walked in and was fascinated... he was thinking of buying...
However, once he realised he wouldn't be able to play at his cottage...(where he spends much of the summer... and is his only game playing location) because he has no internet there.... he just said "Oh... no point then."
drtechno
03-05-10, 09:15 AM
Snapli.. I'm guessing you are over 50 and know very little about computers and the internet.
How exactly is "downloading [standardized] content at runtime" any form of inpenetrable copy protection?? All the pirates need to do is log those files and include them in their version. Not quite sure why you think this is difficult to do. Its only a matter of time... maybe a couple weeks? In any case, Ubisoft should have just not replied to claims of a working crack (seriously, why does Ubi care if they know its false) but by replying they have essentially thrown down the gauntlet and challenged the pirates to get a real working crack. And online only updates are irrelevant since they are cracked all the time.
In any case, I'm going to play SH4 until they decide to remove this online only DRM BS for SH5 and fix all the bugs.
It is simple to determine whether any addititional game files are downloaded at run time.
Any network sniffer software will sort that out in as much time as it takes to hit the record button then make the connection to Uplay and play the game for a few hours. If anything comes down the line, even if it is encrypted, the packets received will tell you quite a bit about what's going on.
Even your firewall software if properly set up will alert you to modifications or additional files being downloaded and installed.
As the above poster pointed out though time is the only thing standing in the pirates way of releasing a "full" version.
As for me I paitiently wait with my money in my wallet for Ubi to admit defeat in this pointless excersise.
I'm reminded of this quote: "there's nothing so useless as doing efficiently that which should not be done at all"
Onkel Neal
03-05-10, 09:51 AM
I would like to know how this forum belives I gave this thread a 5 star rating when I have NEVER voted on any thread here, something stinks.:hijacked:
Something with the last forum upgrade broke the rating system. It works sometimes, sometimes it tells me "You have already rated this topic" even when I know I have not. I'm working on it after I finish the SH5 review. thanks
Onkel Neal
03-05-10, 09:52 AM
Snapli.. I'm guessing you are over 50 and know very little about computers and the internet.
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Whoa, new guy, I resemble that remark!
Snapli.. I'm guessing you are over 50 and know very little about computers and the internet.
Hmmm....
Best be careful there whipper snapper, lest we over 50 know-nothings take offense and decide to smack you around with support socks filled with 128 kilobyte RAM chips!
:stare:
JD
Best be careful there whipper snapper, lest we over 50 know-nothings take offense and decide to smack you around with support socks filled with 128 kilobyte RAM chips!
hahaha, I actualy DO have a box of those. They were so expensive then, that it did not felt right to me to through them away... so be warned! :) :)
Snapli.. I'm guessing you are over 50 and know very little about computers and the internet.
:DL
Honestly, I'm quite young and the best part: I work as a computer admin, part time. So, no, I don't know anything about computers, the interweb (or how is it called, again?) and stuff.
On the other hand: the game might use some encrypted connection that is quite hard to 'read' with some sniffers, you know. Maybe the game requires a certain string while the boat passes a specific quadrant on the map - you think, the bad guys will collect all of them? There are so many possibilities, that's all I'm saying.
I don't know, how they secure their product and you don't know, either. Everything else is speculation ...
Snapli.. I'm guessing you are over 50 and know very little about computers and the internet.
LOL, some of us 'over 50' dudes have been using the Internet even before they knew what to call it. Web based user forums? We used Usenet (still around and now the 'underground' of the Internet). WWW, Google? How about using Gopher or Archie to find stuff. Logging in to my POP account via Telnet for email. Manually configuring IP addresses, subnet masks and gateway settings. Using the Unix CLI for FTP, IRC, Finger, etc, etc...
So please, show some respect for your Internet 'elders' junior... :) All in good fun of course...
LOL, some of us 'over 50' dudes have been using the Internet even before they knew what to call it. Web based user forums? We used Usenet (still around and now the 'underground' of the Internet). WWW, Google? How about using Gopher or Archie to find stuff. Logging in to my POP account via Telnet for email. Manually configuring IP addresses, subnet masks and gateway settings. FTP, IRC, Finger, etc, etc...
So please, show some respect for your Internet 'elders' junior... :) All in good fun of course...
I'm 33 and i remember using BBS's with a 2400 baud rate modem. My parents hated me though because of the phone bill LOL.
U-Bones
03-05-10, 10:31 AM
I would disagree entirely with the comment below - IMO it is the consumers who have yet to realize that they are fighting a war that is already over, and they are simply being mopped up.
Everthing is about power, and control. Those in control will not stop consolidating power until every relevant person is either an ignorant or willing slave.
Ubi is just one of many interchangable and replacable faces of the evil empire, and the gaming and entertainment industries are only one of many fronts in the war. This is not your grandpa's war.
Another misinformed invidual trying to praise the gaming business' draconian efforts to control it's customers. :roll:
And no, I didn't pirate it, this has nothing to do with that. What this is all about is to make the gaming business realise they are fighting a war they can't win and that they should stop and put the money they use for their POS DRM's to the game instead.
To quote (and add to) Neil:
Ubisoft: +1 (DRM) -1 (bugs) -1 (bad press) = -1
Pirates: -1
Consumers: -1 (DRM) -1 (bugs) +1 (no working illegal copies) = -1
So, only losers here ...?
Its mentioned wrong:
Players: -1 (DRM), -1 (bugs), -1 (SHV is arcadish, needed to modded) = -3
Pirates: -1 (till it will be cracked properly) = -1
Ubi: +1 (DRM), +5 (cash income from sells), -1 (bad press) = 5
cheers
drtechno
03-05-10, 11:06 AM
Sorry Snapli et. all.. :) I got ahead of myself, :D I just can't believe the ridiculous posts that I keep seeing that just downloadable content is not crackable. It sounds like my parents talking (or the intelligent UBI DRM staffers). SPORE downloads *ALL* of its content off the internet.. And that content is much more complex and varied than SH5. I'm pretty sure it has been cracked. You can tow the party line, but just like everyone has pointed out: The GAME has been cracked. Its only a matter of time before they have a couple play-throughs and get the mission files.
I just wish Ubi would throw in the white towel, remove the online full time requirement, and start focusing on fixing bugs.
Aside - I was using VAX on a DEC when I was 5 ;P
Von Taticus
03-05-10, 06:39 PM
I'm 33 and i remember using BBS's with a 2400 baud rate modem.
2400 baud !..... You were luckly! When I were a lad I had t' wind modem up wit t' handle, to get 110 baud! and then werk 36 hours a day
Yer try t' tel kids this 'terday ... (and they don't believe yer)
"Python"
jwilliams
03-05-10, 07:22 PM
Of cause it's crackable, but it takes time....
Ubi DRM is made to delay the pirates
games sales peak shortly after release, so ubi's DRM will allow them the time to sell the game.
Ubi's DRM is working.... and will work for quite awhile. sure it will eventaly get cracked. but SH5 will prob be in the bargan bin by then.
This also mean that Ubi wont be able to blame piracy for bad sales. then hopefully they will see that the cost of the DRM isnt worth it for the few extra sale they get....... we can only hope.
Sailor Steve
03-05-10, 07:30 PM
To quote (and add to) Neil:
If you're going to quote him, you might want to get his name right first.:sunny:
Fincuan
03-05-10, 07:53 PM
Ubi's DRM is working.... and will work for quite awhile. sure it will eventaly get cracked. but SH5 will prob be in the bargan bin by then..
That might have been true about 48 hrs ago, but no more. In case you didn't notice the DRM is done.
Are you suggesting that it is now possible to play the game without any internet connection, whatsoever?
jwilliams
03-05-10, 08:03 PM
That might have been true about 48 hrs ago, but no more. In case you didn't notice the DRM is done.
The pirate version isnt the full game... the game needs code from the servers.
So technicly the game isnt cracked
Ubi's statement "its not complete"
Unless you can proves this is not the case. Then i would believe Ubi's statement.
*NOTE* Beware downloading pirated software can contain viruses and other nasty things
Aside - I was using VAX on a DEC when I was 5 ;P
Really - was it really dusty due to it's age? Or was this supposed to be a comment about computer expertise lol.
Anywho, back on topic a bit - there is one other problem in all this that reminds me of an amusing "bug" in SH3.
If you remember back to the heady days just after SH3 appeared, there were lots of bug reports including one where the crew changed from 2 to 3d. There were so many bugs this just sounded like yet another one, until the Ubi FAQ was updated to point out that this was, in fact a graphical demo of the copy protection at work.
Some of the bug reporters went silent while others protested their innocence. But the most interesting thing I thought, was that no one could tell the copy protection from regular bugs in the software.
So Ubi could just throw in the towel and proclaim there are no bugs in SH5 - it's just that we're all pirates getting getting the copy protection thrown at us for not having good enough internet connections....
Might explain why my morale resets, there's only one conversation with your crew members and of course why all the proper controls are missing!
r.
Webster
03-05-10, 08:19 PM
All I'm saying is that people shouldn't laugh about UBI that much ("DRM failed on day 1" etc.). From their point of view, it (still?) works.
:03:
this is true but what is also true is because of the sad state the game is in the mods will have to rewrite and redo the entire game anyway so this supposed missing content wont be missed or needed after this is done by the mods.
i hope all pirates go to hell on the bullet train but if UBI had made the games content better then it would be something you dont want to live without and your arguement of missing out on whats missing would carry more weight.
for myself i need two key things before i buy sh5, no DRM online BS and a price point of $30 or less
jwilliams
03-05-10, 08:20 PM
Really - was it really dusty due to it's age? Or was this supposed to be a comment about computer expertise lol.
Anywho, back on topic a bit - there is one other problem in all this that reminds me of an amusing "bug" in SH3.
If you remember back to the heady days just after SH3 appeared, there were lots of bug reports including one where the crew changed from 2 to 3d. There were so many bugs this just sounded like yet another one, until the Ubi FAQ was updated to point out that this was, in fact a graphical demo of the copy protection at work.
Some of the bug reporters went silent while others protested their innocence. But the most interesting thing I thought, was that no one could tell the copy protection from regular bugs in the software.
So Ubi could just throw in the towel and proclaim there are no bugs in SH5 - it's just that we're all pirates getting getting the copy protection thrown at us for not having good enough internet connections....
Might explain why my morale resets, there's only one conversation with your crew members and of course why all the proper controls are missing!
r.
LOL... yeah could be.... are you sure you didnt pirate your copy. :O:
:D
Ships-R-Us
03-05-10, 08:41 PM
[QUOTE=drtechno;1295316]Snapli.. I'm guessing you are over 50 and know very little about computers and the internet.
Well I'm over 60 and was using a model ASR33 and a model 30 in 1980 coupled to my 20mtr amateur radio station and communicating all over the world. I also built my own equipment aside from the TTY machines.
RedChico
03-05-10, 08:42 PM
The pirate version isnt the full game... the game needs code from the servers.
So technicly the game isnt cracked
Ubi's statement "its not complete"
Unless you can proves this is not the case. Then i would believe Ubi's statement.
*NOTE* Beware downloading pirated software can contain viruses and other nasty things
:har:
Wanna bet it's fully cracked?
As long as you recieve data from the servers it's all (pirates) need to "complete" the crack.
It's quite logical.
Unless Jesus or God tells you the Key to play the game it will be cracked no matter how much millions you inject it.
Look at Paradox Intertaiment, look how they manage to grow so much without DRM's.
PS: Rise of Flight was also cracked.
PS2: final word, will not talk about it anymore.
Deep Source
03-06-10, 12:19 AM
UBi DRM is done! Fail!
Ubi deny the crack is a last hope for sell DRM,
Ubi only release a buged version of all games and wait the hackers have more job. Assassin's Creed II have more bugs and nofficial patchs. But the game works fine.
On one year all your guy's used the crack on yours notebooks!
If you're going to quote him, you might want to get his name right first.:sunny:
Whew, that's awkward ...! Sorry for this, Neal ;)
That's the downside, if you know more than one guy with (almost) the same name :-?
Wanna bet it's fully cracked?
As long as you recieve data from the servers it's all (pirates) need to "complete" the crack.
It's quite logical.
It`s right. But SH5 does NOT recieve any important data from the servers.
Some people say that missions are downloaded from Ubi, but it`s not correct. All missions are already in game files (you can check it using campaign editor) and work in *****ed version.
OakGroove
03-06-10, 07:47 AM
Seems "Bagdad Bob" found a new job in the entertainment industry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s27Oq5ot0ZI
for myself i need two key things before i buy sh5, no DRM online BS and a price point of $30 or less
Half price for half a game, I agree.
Feuer Frei!
03-06-10, 08:10 AM
The pirate version isnt the full game..
Ubi's statement "its not complete"
Of course it's not the complete game...
of course the pirated version isn't the full game...
IT DOESN'T HAVE THE DRM IN IT! :har:
jwilliams
03-06-10, 08:19 AM
Of course it's not the complete game...
of course the pirated version isn't the full game...
IT DOESN'T HAVE THE DRM IN IT! :har:
And apparitly nothing after the tutorial either.....
a few have already been caught out.... :haha: Look ----> http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=163480
no offense, but thats what would happen if you're running the game in "offline mode" so to speak
Busted ROFLMAO :har::rotfl2::har:
Nordmann
03-06-10, 08:25 AM
Half price for half a game, I agree.
I just noticed that Amazon UK dropped their price from £26.99 to £22.73. That was pretty quick, considering it's only just been released. If the trend continues, the price may eventually be commensurate with the product.
The DRM is still the real issue for me, but I'll wait and see what happens in this regard. It's a shame, because the game does look good, despite some of the obvious flaws.
frenema
03-06-10, 08:46 AM
The game IS cracked... The folks who have trouble running the missions are the few who didn't install the crack version properly. Of course I can't tell you where the source of my information is because no discussions are allowed and I'll be accused of being one of the :arrgh!:s (no, I haven't got the game either way because I don't want to play it).
Feuer Frei!
03-06-10, 08:51 AM
latest word is that Ubisoft has been quoted as saying on a blog site that they will patch out the drm once the game is fully c******.
Also, where does the notion come from that the game is not complete, and does not allow the player to continue past a certain point, or only do missions, not campaigns?
From people who incorrectly installed game, patch and c****!
Ah geez, why the heck am i even joining in in this thread....
i personally don't give a rat's if drm fails or succeeds.....
why are we hypothesizing wether the c**** was successful or not?
If we are all really such eager legals, as we all claim to be, well, does it really matter if the c****** game is functional or not?
Really?
Feuer Frei!
03-06-10, 08:53 AM
The game IS cracked... The folks who have trouble running the missions are the few who didn't install the crack version properly. Of course I can't tell you where the source of my information is because no discussions are allowed and I'll be accused of being one of the :arrgh!:s (no, I haven't got the game either way because I don't want to play it).
Sorry, you beat me to the punch!
And ditto, i don't condone illegal d/loads, nor do i condone piracy, nor do i own or currently have in my posession a "copy" of this or any other game.
I purchase my games legally!
frenema
03-06-10, 09:00 AM
Ah geez, why the heck am i even joining in in this thread....
i personally don't give a rat's if drm fails or succeeds.....
why are we hypothesizing wether the c**** was successful or not?
If we are all really such eager legals, as we all claim to be, well, does it really matter if the c****** game is functional or not?
Really?
I for one have nothing to do since my original plan was to buy a new PC just for SH5, but the game turned out to be a mess... (I'm just glad I'm not one of those people who preordered) So I'm just amusing myself looking at others who got the game either enjoying or hating the game and watching to see if Ubisoft failed or not.
Ritmeister
03-06-10, 09:08 AM
2400 baud !..... You were luckly! When I were a lad I had t' wind modem up wit t' handle, to get 110 baud! and then werk 36 hours a day
Yer try t' tel kids this 'terday ... (and they don't believe yer)
"Python"
Not so far fetched. Once I tried to explain BBSing in the ealy 80's. A 300 baud modem in a little blue box that hooked into one of the 4 joystick ports on the front of my Atari 800 ( not the later XL - the old origianl 800 had 4 joystick ports in the front below the spacebar) Dialing over and over to get on a BBS because they generally only had one line!. Even the text came down the screen like a teletype machine. Getting some 8K game that someone had the patience to type in in machine language from ANALOG magazine. NOw that was fun..:-?
Mav87th
03-06-10, 09:18 AM
I sure as hell don't hope that you HAVE to download fractions of files, or files it self to be playing.
How on earth will that be usable when we mod the game later.
About payment, I would gladly have paid 2x current price tag for SH-5 without DRM and waited 2-3 months more for a release without some of the obvious bugs in the game.
I think they should have ventured the road that Steelbeasts were taken - namely with the WIBU dongle protection. I have yet to see a cracked version of Steelbeasts ProPE and its 125$ pr copy. I paid that and I'm still fond of it with no regrets.
My faith lies with the modders of this forum. They have achieved enormous progress with SH-3 and SH-4 and the modding will undoubtedly continue with SH-5 - the tools are there like they have never been before that's for sure.
UBI - snap out of it and remove the DRM, its a focus remover from your product and apparently works like a joyful challenge to the crackers out there. And to us consumers and skippers its a downright menace.
Feuer Frei!
03-06-10, 09:23 AM
The "success" (or failure) of a PC Game lies in the initial sales figure(s)...
Would love to see a "real-time" monitor of sales so far.
Seems to me there is a hell of a lot of people, not just on this forum but elsewhere who have purchased the game...
hmmm, maybe Ubisoft will have the last laugh...(yet).
BTW, if we are talking from a purely business-side of things here, ie. dollar signs, and after all, Ubisoft is a business, then that may be a bad sign, because it will be costly to patch out DRM, rather then leave DRM in...
I see ubi's cranking out a lot of new SS accounts.
Sadly, but it was expected - SH5 can already be DL-ed from certain sites. Together with the v1.1 patch.
Way to go UBI. :down:
Ishigami
03-06-10, 02:20 PM
If this is the definition of a successful DRM method then please by all means go with it UbiSoft!
I will rejoice at the announcement of UbiSoft stopping to produce any PC games in the futures. Obviously since they say their DRM is officially uncrackable every argument that the sales suck because of piracy is invalid. Therefore they have to admit that their games just suck and no one on the PC really wants to play them.
q.e.d.?
I think the “info” that the game receiving necessary campaign or mission data from the server is a convenient rumor spread by people too stupid to install the crack and supported by UbiSoft to diminish the success of the crackers and to try selling some more units over the uncertainty it produces.
From my experience all errors that occur are either due to a not correctly installed crack, starting the Ubi-Launcher while having internet access (Note: the cracked version does not need the Ubi-Launcher at all) or by the installation of an uncracked update.
As I see it the only thing the game receives is an authorization signal. The traffic is just too small for everything else. Not even the save games are really online, they are stored in “documents” even in the official version. There is just an option for online saves.
Anyway after some time cracker will probably leave SH5 in the dust and user of the cracked versions might not get the latest updates.
However if UbiSoft decides to release a expansion pack I’m pretty sure that this will get cracked (compare to SH4) and thus it might happen that even user of a cracked version will have the latest game version.
That said ACII and SH5 are the first games to use it and due to their development cycle the integration of the Ubi DRM might be sloppy. Maybe games that are really build around the DRM will be better protected? We don’t know yet but for the time being the result is pretty clear for me:
UbiSoft: -1 (image damage, not a good game and still copies: FU!)
Cracker: 1 (they did it)
Users: -1 (UbiSoft screws you and the game is just not good, it is mediocre or average at best and you paid good money for it)
Crack User: 0 (nothing won but nothing lost either)
Wolfmanjack
03-06-10, 02:41 PM
its kind of sad but i just checked out amazon's website for SH5 and its reviews are just blasting the game. Out of 29 customer reviews 27 gave the game 1 star and 2 gave it 2 stars.. OWCH
Ubisoft has its head someplace the sun doesn't shine and its going to cost them.
Not to mention that Assassins creed 2 has been released to the net without DRM also..
Their UBER new DRM has failed big time ... I wonder if this was planned for all the time.. You know to give their lobbyists more ammo to pass stricter laws in Washington.
DRM never has been the answer.. Its a matter of producing a good product and supporting it.. Something Ubisoft is notorious for being bad at. They treat their customers like we were all homless bumbs.
Philipp_Thomsen
03-06-10, 02:41 PM
I've just visited all the torrent sites I know, and in all of them you can find the game for download.
Patched, cracked.
I said, long ago, that is a lost cause to try to fight software with software. Its like trying to patch a bullet wound with a band-aid.
They release a new patch, a new crack for that patch will be avaliable the next day, if the crackers are feeling lazy.
If Ubisoft keep the strategy, more and more players will rely on cracks, even tho they bough the game.
But whats the point?
Honestly I think more people would buy the game if it didnt require internet connection, since the game is already cracked and avaliable at fast download rate for everybody, less then a week after game being released.
michaelws
03-06-10, 03:22 PM
What is an SS account? Someone in an earlier post said the number of those accounts at UBI were increasing.
An "over 60" player here who has never been computer savvy, other than 3d animation (3dsmax) and Photoshop and Painter...and work 12 hour days to keep the metaphorical "dust" from accumulating in my kitchen's corners. Cut my teeth on an Amiga computer...so forgive a certain level of naivete in knowing a lot of computer jargon.
The original point is...what does ss mean? Thanks.
I have all the SH games from I to IV...but am holding out on this one because of the online (all-the-time) requirement.
My point (I mentioned "new" SS accounts) is that I keep seeing new people, and their first posts are how awesome OSP is, etc. Odd that none of the long-time members are posting that, or at least not in the same, hamfisted way.
Leads me to believe that new accounts are being created to make it look as if there is some grassroots support for this idiotic OSP scheme.
Arclight
03-06-10, 08:20 PM
I'll just put this here, have to pick 1 DRM thread. :doh:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/ubisoft-drm-internet-assassin-s-creed,news-32914.html
It turns out that the pirates may have jumped the gun on their victory cries, as there are now reports that players are unable to play Silent Hunter 5 past the first mission. It seems that the game may be making repeated requests for authentication between levels before allowing the player to continue.
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