View Full Version : The backlash begins, will you defend SH5?
Nisgeis
03-03-10, 02:18 PM
Silent Hunter 5 has received two ratings so far on Amazon.com, both for one star, which is the worst rating you can get, as there is no one star. Both bad ratings cite DRM as the reason for the poor ratings.
http://www.amazon.com/Silent-Hunter-Battle-Atlantic-Pc/dp/B002PAIPQO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1267643413&sr=8-1
SteamWake
03-03-10, 02:20 PM
Silent Hunter 5 has received two ratings so far on Amazon.com, both for one star, which is the worst rating you can get, as there is no one star. Both bad ratings cite DRM as the reason for the poor ratings.
http://www.amazon.com/Silent-Hunter-Battle-Atlantic-Pc/dp/B002PAIPQO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1267643413&sr=8-1
A poll on Amazon's oh noes !!!!
(cue the panic music)
codmander
03-03-10, 02:22 PM
LOL A star is born:haha:
The General
03-03-10, 02:29 PM
Despite all the fuss, DRM is rapidly turning out to be a non-problem and people who claimed that they would never buy SH5 because of it are changing their minds. The people who gave SH5 one star on Amazon because of DRM are backward thinking idiots.
Schultzy
03-03-10, 02:31 PM
The people who gave SH5 one star on Amazon because of DRM are backward thinking idiots.
Not that we'd want to Generalise, of course. :)
The General
03-03-10, 02:31 PM
Not that we'd want to Generalise, of course. :)I ain't called The General for nothin' :O: I will defend SH5 and I will take on all-comers :rock:
Well hopefully people buying it think twice...
...before believing reviews that say NOTHING of the actual game.
MercurySeven
03-03-10, 02:34 PM
Despite all the fuss, DRM is rapidly turning out to be a non-problem and people who claimed that they would never buy SH5 because of it are changing their minds. The people who gave SH5 one star on Amazon because of DRM are backward thinking idiots.
... or they have exactly the kind of patchy connection that sends the game haywire.
Didn't read the posts on Amazon, so I do not know how much of it is pure hatred for the DRM and how much is backed with actual bad experience, but either way I wouldn't go as far as calling it a non-problem. Especially since it was discovered HOW intrusive that stuff actually is. But thats another story for another thread.
Heretic
03-03-10, 02:34 PM
We must destroy the village in order to save it.
Bilge_Rat
03-03-10, 02:35 PM
The only rating that counts is the sales volume since that will decide if there is a SH6.
Based on all the entusiasm and dare I say it, all the love around here, I would SH5 should sell at least as well as SH3.
...btw, is the DRM boycott already over?....I see many of the posters who said they would never buy the game under any circumstances have already bought it...:arrgh!:
Two negative Amazon ratings?
That's not really a crushing condemnation is it?
...btw, is the DRM boycott over?....I see many of the posters who said they would never buy the game under any circumstances have already bought it...:arrgh!:
...who?
Nisgeis
03-03-10, 02:36 PM
One review is a guy who travels a lot and the other is a Sailor who can't play it on deployment. If you have played the game and love it, why not rate it on amazon, to balance out the negative reviews?
My not-buying is still not exclusively because of DRM right now but I would also still rather have my savegames on my own computer. Also, I tend to turn the internet connection off when I'm not using it, so DRM meddles with my good habits :O:
On the other hand, amazon reviews (especially for video games) are known for not being about the game itself. Often people will already post when the game is not even released, just to tell how excited they are.
Galanti
03-03-10, 02:39 PM
I can defend the bold step of introducing RPG-elements into the game, as long as they are more or less reasonable.
I can defend defending limiting the stock game to just Type 7 and 43 on the grounds that it is almost worth it for interiors. Even though I know it's more likely a business decision to squeeze some more rupees out of us.
But I can't defend the DRM scheme, even though I will likely have no issues with it, because there are clearly others who will have problems.
Nor can I defend ditching the old analogue, period-fitting UI for a slick, futuristic one. This one design decision above all others disgusts me to no end. It might almost be defensible if it actually made the game easier to use, but it's not. There's no compass. The fuel, battery and CO2 indicators are buried on tab 2 of the subsystems.
Nisgeis
03-03-10, 02:39 PM
On the other hand, amazon reviews (especially for video games) are known for not being about the game itself. Often people will already post when the game is not even released, just to tell how excited they are.
You can't review things that haven't been released, so the UK version can't be reviewed until the 5th March. Maybe they changed it because of that.
Portman
03-03-10, 02:41 PM
It's number 1 in sales right now in the adventure (WTF?) category, so the negative reviews don't seem to be stopping anyone. Once I get some playtime in I was going to post a review on Amazon that actually focuses on the game instead of the DRM. Also, I'll throw up a review on my blog and will put it up here if we don't get flooded with them before then.
I know people are mad/annoyed about DRM but I can't stand it when they go and ruin a game's rating like that on Amazon just because they don't like something about the game. I use the ratings to make purchase decisions and have noticed an increase of non-reviews like this which makes it hard for people actually shopping for a new game to play.
The General
03-03-10, 02:45 PM
I think Gametrailers.com is one of the industry's most influential websites right now, so I'm interested to see what rating they give Silent Hunter 5. As a matter of fact, if you visit the site you can be the first to post a review for SH5 there:
http://www.gametrailers.com/game/silent-hunter-5/11900
You can't review things that haven't been released, so the UK version can't be reviewed until the 5th March. Maybe they changed it because of that.
That would be a real improvement if they changed it that way.
I just checked amazon.de (still on pre-order there). And there are no comments so far :up:
It's number 1 in sales right now in the adventure (WTF?) category
Ubisoft have sold SHV as "action adventure" on their website.
Portman
03-03-10, 02:53 PM
Ubisoft have sold SHV as "action adventure" on their website.
That's like selling Flight/Farming Simulator as an RPG! :har:
akdavis
03-03-10, 03:06 PM
Did you not get the memo? There is no longer a "simulation" genre, or rather there is, but it's for The Sims.
Iron Budokan
03-03-10, 03:20 PM
Despite all the fuss, DRM is rapidly turning out to be a non-problem and people who claimed that they would never buy SH5 because of it are changing their minds.
I can promise you I'm not one of those people.
Schunken
03-03-10, 03:28 PM
...for gods sake I will not argue to defend SH5. Because I cant.
The graphics is superb and the graphic is superb and the graphic is superb...
...the rest must be done by the modders....and several patches....
But, to be also positive: The graphic is superb! :up:
The rest is SH3 Stock (from the games mechanic and the bugs)
Isnt´t it? :hmmm:
Andreas
Weather-guesser
03-03-10, 03:45 PM
"The Horror...the horror..." :|\\
Considering this, we will have to thank the modders twice:
First for not only spending spare time on working on this game and being kind enough to release their work for free (the pay will be an unmatched amount of fame and glory at least).
And second for actually buying the game in the first place to be able to work
on it and making it worthwhile to buy the game for many other people at last !
(Not that anybody is buying the game out of pure charity with the community - but still...)
:woot:
So far, I for myself have done and released only some interface work for SH3 and some textures for SH4 and that already taught me how quickly a hobby can turn into hours of work, depending on how perfectionistic you are.
Given the numbers of bugs already seen, I hope there'll be many patches to come. Surely the developers cant be making half-baked products which depend upon modders to make them fun and playable, that would be downright vicious.
Most bugs seems easy to find and should have been spotted during beta playing. Atlest now we know why there weren't a demo - the game is not ready 'as is'.
SH3+eyecandy+arcadish=0,8*SH5
I wonder about the old times, when games were complete and almost bug-free from the get-go: did they longer developing times or was it less of
a corporate-decision when to publish?
I cannot defend the game.
Let me give you a little background on why I bought it, and why I am putting my time into trying to fix it, despite despite the fact that it is, quite frankly, a pretty poor show at the moment.
I only got into PC gaming, oh jeez, I guess about 2 years ago.
Before that I was a console boy.
I didn't want to be, most console games are not really my thing. I just couldn't afford a PC.
Anyway, about 2 years ago I was finally in a position to finally afford a PC.
Bought it specifically to play SH4. (Silent Service 2 on the AMIGA had made a deep impression!)
By the time got here, the game was almost fully patched (1.4), and there was a lovely selection of great mods to chose from.
In fact, when I look at the games I have played since I got a PC, IL2, Rome and Med Total War, SH3, SH4, Oblivion, it's the same story every time. Someone else had done the hard work for me.
When I look at the forums on these games I see a lot of anger and frustration around about the release date. Eventually these games have been well patched up. Furthermore, there has followed a multitude of fantastic mods for all of these games.
I have been lucky enough to come to these games when they have been fully patched (NOT resolving all issues, I know that), and well modded up.
I never had to do my time in the trenches for any of these games.
I understand many people buying SH5 being pissed off. I agree, it does not seem to be a properly finished game.
Hopefully one day SH5 + Mods of choice will be a superb combination.
It may not happen, but I am hoping it will.
So I will take my turn in the vanguard, as part of the forlorn hope.
Maybe 2 years down the line someone a little bit like me, who has never played a Subsim before, will stumble across SH5 + whatever we have managed to make and enjoy it.
Jimbuna
03-03-10, 05:04 PM
I reckon it is a bit premature to be swayed by a very small number of reviews when the game is yet to be released on some of the major markets (such as the UK).
The General
03-03-10, 06:03 PM
I cannot defend the game.
Let me give you a little background on why I bought it, and why I am putting my time into trying to fix it, despite despite the fact that it is, quite frankly, a pretty poor show at the moment.
I only got into PC gaming, oh jeez, I guess about 2 years ago.
Before that I was a console boy.
I didn't want to be, most console games are not really my thing. I just couldn't afford a PC.
Anyway, about 2 years ago I was finally in a position to finally afford a PC.
Bought it specifically to play SH4. (Silent Service 2 on the AMIGA had made a deep impression!)
By the time got here, the game was almost fully patched (1.4), and there was a lovely selection of great mods to chose from.
In fact, when I look at the games I have played since I got a PC, IL2, Rome and Med Total War, SH3, SH4, Oblivion, it's the same story every time. Someone else had done the hard work for me.
When I look at the forums on these games I see a lot of anger and frustration around about the release date. Eventually these games have been well patched up. Furthermore, there has followed a multitude of fantastic mods for all of these games.
I have been lucky enough to come to these games when they have been fully patched (NOT resolving all issues, I know that), and well modded up.
I never had to do my time in the trenches for any of these games.
I understand many people buying SH5 being pissed off. I agree, it does not seem to be a properly finished game.
Hopefully one day SH5 + Mods of choice will be a superb combination.
It may not happen, but I am hoping it will.
So I will take my turn in the vanguard, as part of the forlorn hope.
Maybe 2 years down the line someone a little bit like me, who has never played a Subsim before, will stumble across SH5 + whatever we have managed to make and enjoy it.I liked this :up:
karamazovnew
03-03-10, 06:16 PM
Well said, Sergei. I too started Sh3 and SH4 looong after all the patches had been made and most major mods were available.
The bugs are so massive in numbers that the game can be called a WRECK.
It's Ubi's duty to actually listen to us and raise this puppy to the surface by fixing all the major bugs and making a few changes to the interface (maybe I should call it "workflow" and not interface).
Once resurfaced, we'll turn this seaworthy bucket into the Bismark. If it sinks for good, I'll go down with it. For me there's no going back to SH3 and SH4. I'll stick with this one and watch it grow. It has the potential to be a great experience for newcomers and a powerhouse for us realism freaks. If you want to wait before purchasing, so be it. But one day you will buy this game and be amazed. I promise you that.
Nordmann
03-03-10, 06:30 PM
The real backlash will be revealed when the game is officially released, and people realise just what they have bought. An unfinished product (no change there) with a draconian protection system. It wouldn't be as bad, if the price was commensurate with the product's worth, but at £26.99 for the regular edition, I'd say they're having a laugh at our expense (no pun intended).
Drifter
03-03-10, 06:35 PM
I wish I could get a refund from D2D, but I can't. SH5 is a major fail in my opinion. Never again will you get my money, Ubi, never again. :stare:
grilldor
03-03-10, 06:36 PM
Why would Ubisoft receive our money for work that has to be done by volunteers?
This game is nowhere worth the $50 I payed for...
GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK THANKS!
Drifter
03-03-10, 06:51 PM
Why would Ubisoft receive our money for work that has to be done by volunteers?
This game is nowhere worth the $50 I payed for...
GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK THANKS!
They figured they would gratefully let the paying modder customers finish the game for them.
Nisgeis
03-03-10, 06:53 PM
Well, I see no one here is actually reviewing the game, or the amount of hot air may equate to some degree of reviews made. Three reviews now, all one star. Is that the rating that the subsim community want on SH5? If it is, let it be so, but judging by the numerous comments, hardly any have rated the product one way or the other.
brandtryan
03-03-10, 06:57 PM
yeah, i'll defend it. I'll go over the top and BOW DOWN to ubi for backing devs for a simulation that probably was considered "risky" from a financial viewpoint. It's utterly simple. For all the whiners complainers nay-sayers and generally dissapointed posters-THIS IS ALL WE GET. CONSIDER YOURSELF FORTUNATE THE SERIES EVEN CONTINUES.
Do you have another option? I didn't think so. Go play SH3 and be grateful ubi developed THAT title. Have you read about the modability of SHV? Like 3 and 4, the foundation has been established for excellence. BE THANKFUL FOR THAT AT LEAST.
Otherwise, go away!
grilldor
03-03-10, 06:58 PM
yeah, i'll defend it. I'll go over the top and BOW DOWN to ubi for backing devs for a simulation that probably was considered "risky" from a financial viewpoint. It's utterly simple. For all the whiners complainers nay-sayers and generally dissapointed posters-THIS IS ALL WE GET. CONSIDER YOURSELF FORTUNATE THE SERIES EVEN CONTINUES.
Do you have another option? I didn't think so. Go play SH3 and be grateful ubi developed THAT title. Have you read about the modability of SHV? Like 3 and 4, the foundation has been established for excellence. BE THANKFUL FOR THAT AT LEAST.
Otherwise, go away!
For 50$ I was kinda expecting a fully tested game with all its content already in place...
Drifter
03-03-10, 07:01 PM
yeah, i'll defend it. I'll go over the top and BOW DOWN to ubi for backing devs for a simulation that probably was considered "risky" from a financial viewpoint. It's utterly simple. For all the whiners complainers nay-sayers and generally dissapointed posters-THIS IS ALL WE GET. CONSIDER YOURSELF FORTUNATE THE SERIES EVEN CONTINUES.
Do you have another option? I didn't think so. Go play SH3 and be grateful ubi developed THAT title. Have you read about the modability of SHV? Like 3 and 4, the foundation has been established for excellence. BE THANKFUL FOR THAT AT LEAST.
Otherwise, go away!
Are you serious? Do you have a problem with those who do not worship Ubisoft?
I have looked at the moddability of SH5. And I will tell you this- many of the things that are crap in SH5 (like the rpg stuff) are probably hard-coded, and cannot be changed through the limited scripting code.
brandtryan
03-03-10, 07:09 PM
For 50$ I was kinda expecting a fully tested game with all its content already in place...
take your $50 and put it toward the development of your own WWII Sub sim. Maybe that'll pay for an intern to make it to the library and back.
brandtryan
03-03-10, 07:16 PM
For 50$ I was kinda expecting a fully tested game with all its content already in place...
Are you serious? Do you have a problem with those who do not worship Ubisoft?
I have looked at the moddability of SH5. And I will tell you this- many of the things that are crap in SH5 (like the rpg stuff) are probably hard-coded, and cannot be changed through the limited scripting code.
Right. I just bought a 4 karet diamond for my wife. They included, gratis, the ability to change its color and clarity, but not its size. Freaking RIPOFF. What was I thinking?? And I have no other choice because no one else in the WORLD sells diamonds!!
Nisgeis
03-03-10, 07:31 PM
They included, gratis, the ability to change its color and clarity, but not its size.
You can't change thge colour or the clarity of a dimaond. I think you were ripped off. :-) If you paid, you should definately sue.
Well, I see no one here is actually reviewing the game
I didn't actually vote or anything, I'm not even sure if there is a poll on this thread.
But I think if you read my post you would know how I feel.
No offense meant Nisgeis, seriously.
I think when it comes down to this game, it'll be how much you want to buy an unfinished game in the hope it be modded into something you love.
OakGroove
03-03-10, 07:35 PM
BOW DOWN to ubi for backing devs for a simulation that probably was considered "risky" from a financial viewpoint. It's utterly simple. For all the whiners complainers nay-sayers and generally dissapointed posters-THIS IS ALL WE GET. CONSIDER YOURSELF FORTUNATE THE SERIES EVEN CONTINUES.
Do you have another option? I didn't think so. Go play SH3 and be grateful ubi developed THAT title. Have you read about the modability of SHV? Like 3 and 4, the foundation has been established for excellence. BE THANKFUL FOR THAT AT LEAST.
Otherwise, go away!
The only thing worse than your logic is your open affinity to a company with a history on delivering atrocious DRM measures and mediocre products for the masses. They have a history on screwing up once successful franchises. Bow down to your favorite Publisher, ask him for even more mediocrity and persiflage on the simulation genre.
Iron Budokan
03-03-10, 07:37 PM
yeah, i'll defend it. I'll go over the top and BOW DOWN to ubi for backing devs for a simulation that probably was considered "risky" from a financial viewpoint. It's utterly simple. For all the whiners complainers nay-sayers and generally dissapointed posters-THIS IS ALL WE GET. CONSIDER YOURSELF FORTUNATE THE SERIES EVEN CONTINUES.
Do you have another option? I didn't think so. Go play SH3 and be grateful ubi developed THAT title. Have you read about the modability of SHV? Like 3 and 4, the foundation has been established for excellence. BE THANKFUL FOR THAT AT LEAST.
Otherwise, go away!
Here's how it breaks down, whether you like it or not. This is a public forum. People have the right to speak their mind. And, like it or not, you have absolutely no special position of privilege in which to tell people to "go away."
Yeah. Deal with it. We're not going away. And we will speak our minds even if it clashes with your own ideas.
No. Seriously. You're just going to have to live with that.
Jeepers Crackers Fellers.
What the hell is wrong with people here?
It's not a matter of life or death.
It's a sodding game.
What the hell is wrong with you?
We get what we get.
And what we pay for.
It may, or may not be value for money.
But it's not worth starting a frigging war over, surely?
Yeah. Deal with it. We're not going away. And we will speak our minds even if it clashes with your own ideas.
No. Seriously. You're just going to have to live with that.
Well, of course you're free.
But personally, I wouldn't waste my time reading and posting day after day about a game that I hate so much. (this is the Silent Hunter 5 forum after all).
I just don't get it.
No offence intended (I was not necessarily talking about you, but talking generally)
Steeltrap
03-03-10, 07:57 PM
Jeepers Crackers Fellers.
What the hell is wrong with people here?
But it's not worth starting a frigging war over, surely?
Trouble is there is always at least one person in any thread who will ignore the basic rules of this community and start making personal comments or issue 'instructions' to those who have a different perspective.
If you can't post without it being impersonal and without respecting others' rights to disagree, you should not be a part of this community.
Eventually the moderators give those people a spell in the brig. If they still don't get it, they get deep sixed.
Before that happens, however, you will see a lot of intemperate nonsense.
I make no accusations against anyone in this thread, mind you. I think some qualify, but I am not about to start finger pointing.
difool2
03-03-10, 08:01 PM
What I don't grasp is why we have to take an before-the-fact(s) position as to the quality of the game. Why can't we fairly judge the sim on its own merits, without going in with a predetermined "Oh I'm going to like this no matter what, lalalala" or "I just know this is going to turn out to be a steaming heap when I'm done with it." Have the principles of fairness and unibiasedness taken such a beating lately in our society that we are reduced to this state of affairs?
Steeltrap
03-03-10, 08:08 PM
Have the principles of fairness and unibiasedness taken such a beating lately in our society that we are reduced to this state of affairs?
Welcome to the internet.... once their emotions are inflamed, most people are about as reasoned as a bag of tarantulas. That's why we have the legal system we do.
I read recently about a case in Queenlsand (a state of Australia, famous for having The Great Barrier Reef offshore, amongst other things) of a person accused of murdering an 8yo. Within a minute there's a site on the internet for a lynch mob with the most atrocious, irrational messages you can imagine. Then you get a bunch of people who never knew the victim but turn up and yell obscenities at the prison van containing the accused.
That's right, accused. So much for the presumption of innocence.
So don't be too surprised.
Drifter
03-03-10, 08:10 PM
Welcome to the internet.... once their emotions are inflamed, most people are about as reasoned as a bag of tarantulas. That's why we have the legal system we do.
I read recently about a case in Queenlsand (a state of Australia, famous for having The Great Barrier Reef offshore, amongst other things) of a person accused of murdering an 8yo. Within a minute there's a site on the internet for a lynch mob with the most atrocious, irrational messages you can imagine. Then you get a bunch of people who never knew the victim but turn up and yell obscenities at the prison van containing the accused.
That's right, accused. So much for the presumption of innocence.
So don't be too surprised.
It's like road rage. Many people's personalities change for the worse when they get behind the wheel. Same when they hide behind a screen. Internet anonimity can bring out the monster in people.
Trouble is there is always at least one person in any thread who will ignore the basic rules of this community and start making personal comments or issue 'instructions' to those who have a different perspective.
If you can't post without it being impersonal and without respecting others' rights to disagree, you should not be a part of this community.
Eventually the moderators give those people a spell in the brig. If they still don't get it, they get deep sixed.
Before that happens, however, you will see a lot of intemperate nonsense.
I make no accusations against anyone in this thread, mind you. I think some qualify, but I am not about to start finger pointing.
Welcome to the internet.... once their emotions are inflamed, most people are about as reasoned as a bag of tarantulas.
So don't be too surprised.
I can only agree Steeltrap, and the worst thing is that they are absolutely convinced that they can't be wrong.:nope:
I'd say "look at the bigger picture, guys!"
If there are so many people complaining about the DRM, and now after they laid hands on the game also about that, then I would say it at least clearly shows that people did have the expectation that they would get another good sequel to the Silent Hunter series.
If it was silent in this forum, that would be a much worse sign. Nobody would even care about SH franchise anymore.
I'd see it positive. There is still a large number of potential customers, and formerly loyal customers to the Ubisoft Romania developers and likewise Ubisoft. All they want is that their voice be heard and their expectations and concerns be taken serious, and that they get something worth the price they are expected to pay for the new game. I'd place a bet if someone at Ubisoft would have the courage to take a step back, row back on the OSP DRM issue, and promise hefty patching to be done by the end of the month, then the mood here in the forum would very quickly change for the better. Everyone here is waiting on a hot plate and hoping that such an unlikely wonder would happen...
Webster
03-04-10, 12:09 AM
What I don't grasp is why we have to take an before-the-fact(s) position as to the quality of the game. Why can't we fairly judge the sim on its own merits, without going in with a predetermined "Oh I'm going to like this no matter what, lalalala" or "I just know this is going to turn out to be a steaming heap when I'm done with it." Have the principles of fairness and unibiasedness taken such a beating lately in our society that we are reduced to this state of affairs?
agreed, too often people who try to remain objective and only give opinions based on the facts or apparent facts are accused of doublespeak when in fact you CAN like and hope for the best for the game without being willing to buy it because you want nothing to do with the DRM.
many cannot stand anyone saying good things about the game only because they are mad at UBI right now and it upsets them to read possitive things about it and it goes the other way too because some cant stand to hear anything negative about the game even when its the truth because they are afraid they may not see any more subsim games if it fails.
more then once someone has told me i need to pick a side because when i post i often say both possitive AND negative things about the game but you dont have to pick a side, just view things objectively and base your opinions on the facts without the emotional BS.
Zachstar
03-04-10, 12:16 AM
No I am not going to defend SH5. The DRM alone makes it not worth the effort.
Good post Webster.
I've made my choice and I'll stand by it.
But I won't be told what to think by someone else.
brandtryan
03-04-10, 12:48 AM
I don't post that much. I just get frustrated by the overwhelming negativity sometimes. When I finally do vent, it comes out nasty, and I sincerely apologize for that.
I think the sim is fantastic, and when I consider it's all we've got, I'm just really impressed about how it turned out, and excited that it has the potential to become even more.
I've just never ever understood those who constantly criticize, and the non-stop complaining, and never-ending doom's day attitudes towards a product that we're fortunate enough to have the opportunity to play. Perhaps I'm biased, as I've been exclusively, for the most part, a niche PC gamer--limiting myself to simulations.
I just don't get the mindset of these determined negative posters. It's like someone is obsessed their whole life with traveling to a particular country, or even another planet, and then finally getting the opportunity, they find themselves complaining the entire time about the flavor of Jello that will be served during the journey, before they even boarded. And they just don't mention it once. Instead of thinking of the destination they've always dreamed of, they are feverishly writing letters to the powers that be, that if lemon-lime Jello isn't served en route, they are canceling their reservation! Or if they don't get to see Mars through the exact same window that the first astronaut saw it through, that the whole thing is utterly ruined, and threaten to cancel their reservation.
I guess my point is, you pay your 50 bucks, and you get to go to Mars. It's 50 bucks, non-negotiable, and no other company exists that offers trips to Mars. As a matter of fact, 90% of the planetary travelers in my analogy don't even want to go to Mars, but other planets, like Halo, or Modern Warfare. Lots more people flying to those destinations.
It's a fortunate thing, for those Mars lovers, that a carrier even exists that flies there. Yet despite the fact that only a relatively minuscule number of travelers want to go there, all they can do is complain about the fact that there was a little turbulence during the flight, and that the staterooms don't have jacuzzi jets in the bathtubs, as promised.
Once they finally arrive at Mars, their passion for the destination as intense as ever, they mysteriously feel compelled to publicly voice their disappointment in this or that detail that could have been done better. They taunt the captain, the crew, and the boat itself. "How dare you offer me the opportunity to go to Mars, and upon arrival, I find that there wasn't enough time and/or resources to visit the famous "face of Mars". What's that? The rovers that we're seeing aren't the exact same models as the originals? By god, I want my money back!"
I think these adventurers have lost sight of the goal. They're on Mars. But now all they can see are inauthentic rovers and the fact that they won't be seeing the famous "face".
If they only had a periscope, they might be able to look around, 360 degrees, and realize that across the unknown landscape, there are wonders to behold, and that the essence of the Mars experience is right in front of them.
brandtryan
03-04-10, 01:07 AM
...that is, as long as they have an internet connection.
I don't post that much. I just get frustrated by the overwhelming negativity sometimes.
Yeah that's fair enough, you need a tough skin to
hang around these parts that's for sure.
I've just never ever understood those who constantly criticize, and the non-stop complaining, and never-ending doom's day attitudes towards a product that we're fortunate enough to have the opportunity to play.
I'm afraid it is the same as criticizing a movie, book, car, burger, coffee, etc. If someone wants me to hand over my money for it, I will listen to other people 'reviewing' it, rather than just mutely handing over the money.
I guess my point is, you pay your 50 bucks, and you get to go to Mars.
Yeah I know. It's a bit unfair me quoting this twice. But it really is the same as a great movie. You pay your 20 bucks, (or whatever), and for 2 hours you are somewhere else.
And yes I do know that with a game, that is potentially a lot more.
It's a fortunate thing, for those Mars lovers, that a carrier even exists that flies there.
And it is also fortunate that there are passengers willing to pay the fair. Get it?
I think these adventurers have lost sight of the goal. They're on Mars.
I think also that for many of these travelers, the journey, rather than the goal is what is important.
BarjackU977
03-04-10, 01:46 AM
Well, some people who said they wouldn't buy because of the DRM may have changed of mind. That's very possible, as there are plenty sorts of people around here.
But I'm sure you can't put all people in the same bag, saying they're all the same.
I didn't change my mind, and didn't buy.
Yet, I still follow discussions around here because I'm interested in sub sims (surprise!), and hopes for a change for the better are allowed, right?
Well, some people who said they wouldn't buy because of the DRM may have changed of mind. That's very possible, as there are plenty sorts of people around here.
But I'm sure you can't put all people in the same bag, saying they're all the same.
I didn't change my mind, and didn't buy.
Yet, I still follow discussions around here because I'm interested in sub sims (surprise!), and hopes for a change for the better are allowed, right?
Yep, that's allowed :)
I did change my mind, and did buy.
I am kind of in the middle here.
On the one hand I will be arguing against those who say 'LOL this game sucke Ass'.
On the other hand I will be fighting back against those who say 'This game rocks, you should be grateful for what you get'.
Neither is entirely true. Both are true.
In the meantime I may try and make it better.
It may not be possible.
KL-alfman
03-04-10, 02:27 AM
just view things objectively and base your opinions on the facts without the emotional BS.
:up: well said!
as Steeltrap already pointed out, anonymous hidden in the net might reveal the monster in all of us sometimes .....
on topic:
neither can I defend SH5 nor can I condemn it. I don't play it, because I stick to "refuse to play until UBI removes the constant online-connection", which was my attitude even 5weeks ago. nothing has changed for me since then. I'm not interested in a "modified" .exe released by a group of pirates. in fact, I don't wish them to be successful, but it doesn't bother me at all.
I still wait for UBI to remove it officially.
as for the game itself, it's sad that it seems to be released half-baked. and you cannot ignore reviews written by mookiemookie or GoldenRivet who state that right now the game isn't worth buying (IMHO).
Nisgeis
03-04-10, 06:31 PM
Well, it's got 14 one star reviews and one four star review now. Some one the reviewer names look familiar :DL.
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