has anyone tested the sub sitting on the bottom? [Archive]

Webster

03-02-10, 06:04 PM

what kind of damage if any do you get from sitting on the bottom?

Drifter

03-02-10, 06:38 PM

Very good question. I would also like to know- especially on high time compression. :hmmm:

Webster

03-03-10, 11:39 AM

has anyone tried this yet?

BlackSpot

03-03-10, 12:13 PM

I've only scraped the bottom and the hull integrity went down to 99%

tonyj

03-03-10, 12:21 PM

i also had a problem where it was on the bottom but in the external view there was a large gap between the sub and its shadow. it looked like it was a good 5m off the bottom. another bug....:shifty:

oscar19681

03-03-10, 12:31 PM

I would love to find this out as well since this has been an issue as long as i,ve been playing sincse sh-2

kylania

03-03-10, 12:38 PM

Not entirely, but I was able to hover, standing still, 4m off the bottom without problem.

Dowly

03-03-10, 12:39 PM

i also had a problem where it was on the bottom but in the external view there was a large gap between the sub and its shadow. it looked like it was a good 5m off the bottom. another bug....:shifty:

The bottom of the sea now has shapes instead of being just flat. Unfortunately, the devs got lazy and didnt test it properly (or just didn't care), the end result being that places where it looks like there's still 5m to the bottom there actually isn't. You can see what I mean, by finding a location with slopes and stuff and using the external camera to 'hug' the seabed while moving around.

java`s revenge

03-03-10, 12:40 PM

Yes okay, when i saw this subject i thought more of the idea when you
are sitting on the bottom you are more difficult to track by destroyers.

Ziggy

03-03-10, 12:44 PM

Yes okay, when i saw this subject i thought more of the idea when you
are sitting on the bottom you are more difficult to track by destroyers.

I would like to know this two.

I actually tested this. I rammed the bottom at full speed and let myself scrape it for a while. Couldn't find the damage control screen but I never got a "WE'RE TAKING DAMAGE SIR" alert so I assume if I took any damage it was minor. Hitting rocks makes loud noises by the way, other wise its a pleasant thud.

SteamWake

03-03-10, 12:46 PM

Judging from previous versions sitting on the bottom will not make you 'invisible' to the destroyers, its jut a good way to end up dead.

Dowly

03-03-10, 12:48 PM

Yes okay, when i saw this subject i thought more of the idea when you
are sitting on the bottom you are more difficult to track by destroyers.

Something tells me you won't be having troubles with the destroyers. Atleast not in the early days. I just went to blow up HMS Malaya in Scapa Flow, none of the 3-4 destroyers there even came to investigate the burning hulk of the Malaya. :doh:

GDFTigerTank

03-03-10, 01:01 PM

Well there's historical precedent for that... The British didn't figure out that it was torpedoes that took out the Royal Oak in Scapa Flow. The destroyers in the harbor didn't even look for U-47 until after the propeller of one of the German torpedoes was recovered from the wreckage the NEXT day by divers. Everyone thought it had been bombers.

Also keep in mind that up until this attack, the British were not aware that the Germans had developed electric torpedoes - this was the first attack of the war which used them.

That overconfidence may have been modeled into unit behavior at Scapa Flow for the early war period?

Although I'm also guessing that you weren't forced to make you way into the harbor by maneuvering around block ships in difficult tidal currents. ;)

Did the destroyers and torpedo nets at the main entrance take a holiday too?

urfisch

03-03-10, 01:09 PM

someone wrote, you can hit the ground with full flank and it doesnt damage your boat at all...can anyone confirm this?

The General

03-03-10, 01:14 PM

Well there's historical precedent for that... The British didn't figure out that it was torpedoes that took out the Royal Oak in Scapa Flow. The destroyers in the harbor didn't even look for U-47 until after the propeller of one of the German torpedoes was recovered from the wreckage the NEXT day by divers. Everyone thought it had been bombers.

Also keep in mind that up until this attack, the British were not aware that the Germans had developed electric torpedoes - this was the first attack of the war which used them.

That overconfidence may have been modeled into unit behavior at Scapa Flow for the early war period?

Although I'm also guessing that you weren't forced to make you way into the harbor by maneuvering around block ships in difficult tidal currents. ;)

Did the destroyers and torpedo nets at the main entrance take a holiday too?I REALLY wish it was this and not because the A.I. isn't that great:O:

GDFTigerTank

03-03-10, 01:34 PM

Well there have been a few posts on here talking about how smart the AI is - so maybe it IS that :O:

Dowly

03-03-10, 01:36 PM

someone wrote, you can hit the ground with full flank and it doesnt damage your boat at all...can anyone confirm this?

I got damage by slightly touching the seabed, so no, I don't think that's true. :hmmm:

SteamWake

03-03-10, 01:44 PM

I got damage by slightly touching the seabed, so no, I don't think that's true. :hmmm:

What your soundman cant ping the depth either? :haha:

copper01

03-03-10, 01:46 PM

:damn:I tried and could'nt this sim sucks

malkuth74

03-03-10, 03:05 PM

I REALLY wish it was this and not because the A.I. isn't that great:O:

That was a nice example that he gave.

To bad the Destroyer the escort Ships do the same thing NOTHING. LOL.

3 seperate attacks 3 seperate times Destroyers just kept going straight and didn't care a bit that a nice tanker just blew to hell.

The only time I got them to notice me was when I surfaced.... LOL.

By the way I hit the bottom once a rock, since I don't know the depth..... And I checked my status screen under the Crew options and damage.. I was at 99% hull. SO yeah you take damage... Just not much lol.

Ziggy

03-03-10, 03:07 PM

I got damage by slightly touching the seabed, so no, I don't think that's true. :hmmm:

I did it during "invasion of Poland" so I couldn't look at maintenance. However, I didn't get any flooding or any shouts from my crew about damage so I assumed it wasn't major damage.

GDFTigerTank

03-03-10, 03:10 PM

I did it during "invasion of Poland" so I couldn't look at maintenance. However, I didn't get any flooding or any shouts from my crew about damage so I assumed it wasn't major damage.

The real test is whether or not this state can be maintained during time compression. Or whether the seabed inflicts compounding damage the longer you stay on it. Ithink many submariners will gladly take that 1% hull damage and no machinery damage for the ability to sit on the bottom in prep for an attack / to evade an ASW patrol.

Ziggy

03-03-10, 03:13 PM

Ah, true. I'll test it out later less someone beats me too it. If it doesn't do anything to hide you from active sonar, to me, there really is little reason to worry about it, I wont be bothering. I really just wanted to see how much I had to worry about hitting the bottom/how deep I could go depending on which came first.