You got SH5. You played it. Now RATE it for the rest of us!

[Hitman]

Many people are reluctant to buy SH5 for one or another reason. You got it, you played it, now rate it for all of us to see how well it does in the eyes of the real customers.

[Ragtag]

Well, im giving it 7/10. I love the game but there are some initial bugs and important features are missing/removed. I guess the modders are going to fix and bring back some but out of the box a 7/10 is, in my opinion, fair.

Graphics are absolutely stunning. Some stiff animations but the water and models are just mindblowing. Pure porn for a graphicslover.

[Bilge_Rat]

8/10, very good, but not perfect.

In terms of realism, about the same as SH3/4 out of the box which is what I expected. The lack of a fully detailed working TDC is disappointing for us manual nuts, since it was in SH3. I am also still on the fence on the new SH5 crew versus the sh3/4 crew management model.

In terms of graphics, a definite improvement over SH4.

In terms of immersion, simply amazing, the best in the series. Being able to walkthrough the boat and actually see your crew reload torpedoes (those are BIG suckers! :o) or being in the diesel section when you order full speed ahead are moments straight out of "Das Boot".

:ahoy:

[Safe-Keeper]

Can you see the names of the people who have voted once you've voted yourself? I predict naysayers voting "Bad" before even trying it.

But then again, I'm maybe a bit cynical.

[Onkel Neal]

Can you see the names of the people who have voted once you've voted yourself? I predict naysayers voting "Bad" before even trying it.

But then again, I'm maybe a bit cynical.


No, I think you are pretty accurate.

[Crushdepth]

8/10, very good, but not perfect.

In terms of realism, about the same as SH3/4 out of the box which is what I expected. The lack of a fully detailed working TDC is disappointing for us manual nuts, since it was in SH3. I am also still on the fence on the new SH5 crew versus the sh3/4 crew management model.

In terms of graphics, a definite improvement over SH4.

In terms of immersion, simply amazing, the best in the series. Being able to walkthrough the boat and actually see your crew reload torpedoes (those are BIG suckers! :o) or being in the diesel section when you order full speed ahead are moments straight out of "Das Boot".

:ahoy:

But...but... wheres the grease on the torpedoes- are they really the right length? Not sure if they are the right color either /sarc off

[IanC]

Can you see the names of the people who have voted once you've voted yourself? I predict naysayers voting "Bad" before even trying it.

But then again, I'm maybe a bit cynical.

Yeah but that may go both ways.

[Méo]

Can you see the names of the people who have voted once you've voted yourself? I predict naysayers voting "Bad" before even trying it.

But then again, I'm maybe a bit cynical.Yeah but that may go both ways.

No I don't think. With so many ''don't buy it'' and ''boycott''comments, I expect some people to vote the ''Bad. Shouldn't have bought it/will be collecting dust in my shelf'' without even trying it.

If we can't see the names on the poll and compare it with threads where people said: ''no I will never buy it, ever'', well to me, it's worthless. (no offence)

I voted the ''Good but not perfect, though I definately like to play it.'' I could have voted the ''Dissapointing in some aspects. Will hope it gets better with mods.'' too. :hmmm:

[TDK1044]

I would hope that people here respect this Forum enough to only vote in this thread if you have a copy of the game and you are playing it. And to vote truthfully.

I am totally against DRM, and I've made the decision not to buy the game until an offline version is available, but if the overwhelming opinion here was that the modded game is just too good not to have because of DRM, then I would have to seriously consider it.

[scrapser]

Perhaps the poll should have included several, "I'm not buying it for reason X" options. That way people would be less inclined to skew the poll and answer honestly. I think there has been enough of an upset this time around to warrant including the naysayers. But I may be bias since I'm one of them.

For the record...I did not vote here.

[gutted]

6/10

First patch will probably bring it up to a 7.5. Working TDC dials and a heading indicator would bring it up to an 8 by itself (for me).


Game is cool, i welcome UI changes.. but cannot excuse removal of important things such as the above. Periscope view definately needs some love.

Personally, i think the game wasn't quite complete. Poking about in the files and the menu editor and you see all sorts of things that make you wonder why its not there in-game. Hopefully there's a day 1 patch.

I consider my purchase an investment on future awesomeness.

[Hitman]

Humm I didn't think of making voter's names public :hmmm:

Shall I open a new one, and let the moderators close this?

Perhaps the poll should have included several, "I'm not buying it for reason X" options.

I myself am not buying it, but I've had enough of nay sayers, I wanted to see how it rates in the eyes of REAl customers, we already had a poll about going to buy it or not.

[Heretic]

Folks will always try to push their agendas through polls. It's one of the wonderful things about the Internets.

[scrapser]

Humm I didn't think of making voter's names public :hmmm:

Shall I open a new one, and let the moderators close this?



I myself am not buying it, but I've had enough of nay sayers, I wanted to see how it rates in the eyes of REAl customers, we already had a poll about going to buy it or not.

I understand...my point was to foster accuracy which means giving people the ability to respond accurately.

[Onkel Neal]

Humm I didn't think of making voter's names public :hmmm:

Shall I open a new one, and let the moderators close this?



I myself am not buying it, but I've had enough of nay sayers, I wanted to see how it rates in the eyes of REAl customers, we already had a poll about going to buy it or not.


No, better idea: leave it like this and then later I can make it public. We'll see who voted for what, and we'll have a good idea who is honest and who isn't.:arrgh!:

[gutted]

No, better idea: leave it like this and then later I can make it public. We'll see who voted for what, and we'll have a good idea who is honest and who isn't.:arrgh!:

Do It!!!!

[gutted]

double post

[mookiemookie]

No, better idea: leave it like this and then later I can make it public. We'll see who voted for what, and we'll have a good idea who is honest and who isn't.:arrgh!:

Well now you've given away the secret. :O:

[joejccva71]

I'm giving it a 6.5/10 as the game stands right now.

Pros:
Graphics
Intuitive crew roleplaying kind of system
Sub interiors and working machine systems
Being able to walk around the dock and talk to your crew members
Full scripting now included in modding system

Cons:
Immersion is gone
Explosions are more like a firework show
Surface ship crew walks around their decks while sinking
New UI isn't up to par from SH3/4
Menus instead of radials
Manual targeting system is cumbersone and not intuitive
Bugs and glitches (i know these can be fixed through patches)


It's not a horrible game, but it's not a great game either. To those modders out there, this game needs alot of work but we have extreme confidence that this game will turn out great ONCE it's modded. :)

[Jeevz]

No, better idea: leave it like this and then later I can make it public. We'll see who voted for what, and we'll have a good idea who is honest and who isn't.:arrgh!:

LOL, that should be interesting.

[Hitman]

Folks will always try to push their agendas through polls. It's one of the wonderful things about the Internets.

No agenda at all, quite the opposite: I admit I might be biased against SH5 because the DRM will keep me from buying it. Hence I want a different perspective and rating of the game. Oh, and later I can also double check the accurancy of Neal's review and rating :haha:

[Sailor Steve]

No agenda at all, quite the opposite: I admit I might be biased against SH5 because the DRM will keep me from buying it.
You said it better than I would have. I'm not buying because of OSP, but the game itself, looks to be better than anything that's gone before - especially the scripting possibilities.

I can't wait to see the reviews, and how it develops.

[Flopper]

The lack of a fully detailed working TDC is disappointing for us manual nuts, since it was in SH3.

What part(s) did they leave out?

[Safe-Keeper]

The options are a bit overlapping anyhow. A game can be "amazing", "good but not perfect" and "disappointing in some aspects" at the same time.

[Kptlt_Lynch]

What part(s) did they leave out?

From what I understand... the entire TDC.


I think this thread is a good idea. The more honest the answers, the more information some of us that are 'on the fence' about SH5 have to make a more informed decision.

I could be swayed if the modders can correct some of the missing equipment.

[Méo]

It's not a horrible game, but it's not a great game either.

I agree with you to some extend.

My theory is that a lot of people have way too much expectations for a game that has, on one hand, very complex demands, and on the other, can only hope to sell around 250 000 copies (or maybe a bit more) but never 9 000 000 copies like other console games (which might be less complex to create).

So, from what I've seen so far (played about 5 hours, could play more but my computer really needs an upgrade). SH5 has some bugs, but more importantly, few things are missing (TDC, showing gyro angle, impossibility to know the depth under keel, etc).

Nevertheless, when I think about SH3 and SH4 vanilla (both games had a LOT of issues on release, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about), I'd say that SH5 is a step forward, not a HUGE step, but it seems to be a better (and is supposed to be particularly open to modding!).

I already know what some people will say: ''oh, if they would stop investing efforts in eye candy, they could succeed.'' Well I'd say that if they ignore eye candy, a lot of new potential customers could also ignore the game.

Just my 2 cents.

[alx100]

I agree with you to some extend.

My theory is that a lot of people have way too much expectations for a game that has, on one hand, very complex demands, and on the other, can only hope to sell around 250 000 copies (or maybe a bit more) but never 9 000 000 copies like other console games (which might be less complex to create).

So, from what I've seen so far (played about 5 hours, could play more but my computer really needs an upgrade). SH5 has some issues, more importantly few things are missing (TDC, showing gyro angle, impossibility to know the depth under keel, etc).

Nevertheless, when I think about SH3 and SH4 vanilla (both games had a LOT of issues on release, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about), I'd say that SH5 is a step forward, not a HUGE step, but it seems to be a better (and is supposed to be particularly open to modding!).

I already know what some people will say: ''oh, if they would stop investing efforts in eye candy, they could succeed.'' Well I'd say that if they ignore eye candy, a lot of new potential customers could also ignore the game.

Just my 2 cents.

Just out of curiosity, what spec is your PC Meo? I'm pretty sure that i will be in the same boat as you, (excuse the pun).

[CCIP]

Good but not perfect. I cannot give an objective "out of ten" rating yet due to limited experience with it so far, but it's very promising. I have a hunch that out of the box, it's already a much better game than III and IV were. It has good sea legs and frankly the ommissions and glitches so far that I've run into have been anything but show-stoppers, just minor irritations.

You have to keep in mind what it's going for though. At this moment, an ultra-accurate simulation of the Atlantic war it is certainly NOT. But that's not what it's going for. It's not trying to be a game-ification of Clay Blair's U-boat War, it's trying to be Das Boot. And so far it's doing a good job of that.

[ddrgn]

Good but not perfect. I cannot give an objective "out of ten" rating yet due to limited experience with it so far, but it's very promising. I have a hunch that out of the box, it's already a much better game than III and IV were. It has good sea legs and frankly the ommissions and glitches so far that I've run into have been anything but show-stoppers, just minor irritations.

You have to keep in mind what it's going for though. At this moment, an ultra-accurate simulation of the Atlantic war it is certainly NOT. But that's not what it's going for. It's not trying to be a game-ification of Clay Blair's U-boat War, it's trying to be Das Boot. And so far it's doing a good job of that.

I 100% agree, its much better out of the box than SH3/4. Good but not perfect.

[martes86]

Wait a minute! It came out already?!?! :o

[joejccva71]

I 100% agree, its much better out of the box than SH3/4. Good but not perfect.

Hmm..I'd much rather have the explosion animations from the out of the box SH3/4 than SH5. If I wanted a fireworks display, I'd go to Washington DC or New York on the 4th of July. It needs modding badly.

[OakGroove]

No, better idea: leave it like this and then later I can make it public. We'll see who voted for what, and we'll have a good idea who is honest and who isn't.:arrgh!:

This would presume good intel on who's who.
Guerilla/viral marketing buccaneers ... can't exclude these folks from false flag statements either. Just an idea.

[Méo]

Wait a minute! It came out already?!?! :o

Yeah! in EB games Canada (got mine yesterday, but some folks said it was available since saturday) and some places in the U.S. I think, but not sure. (don't ask me the reason why, I have no idea ;))

[ddrgn]

Hmm..I'd much rather have the explosion animations from the out of the box SH3/4 than SH5. If I wanted a fireworks display, I'd go to Washington DC or New York on the 4th of July. It needs modding badly.

LOL, which mods are needed badly?

[609_Avatar]

No, better idea: leave it like this and then later I can make it public. We'll see who voted for what, and we'll have a good idea who is honest and who isn't.:arrgh!:

I like the way this man thinks! I didn't even consider people doing that but I guess the more cynical here are right, there are people with agendas that will do many questionable things to promote them. Not saying here in this forum but in general.

I'm only here to hear what those that have bought it have to say.

[ERPP8]

How do people get it early?

[609_Avatar]

How do people get it early?

Some stores haven't followed Ubi's guidelines by waiting until the official release date. So they put it on the shelves as soon as they got it.

[Onkel Neal]

This would presume good intel on who's who.
Guerilla/viral marketing buccaneers ... can't exclude these folks from false flag statements either. Just an idea.

Oh, I guess that is possible. Let's ask!

Hey everyone, did you vote correctly? If you voted, it means you have the game. Everyone who voted, you have the game?

Or did some of you just click a button to further an agenda. :hmmm:

[kylania]

No game, no vote. :)

[joejccva71]

LOL, which mods are needed badly?

Particle effects of smoke, explosions and fire. I liked the way it was modded in SH3/SH4. The way it is now in SH5 is really too much like a firecracker display honestly.

Also I won't even go into the immersion and realism factor of having the enemy ship crews walking around on the deck as the ship is sinking. This is a killer to me.

[ddrgn]

Particle effects of smoke, explosions and fire. I liked the way it was modded in SH3/SH4. The way it is now in SH5 is really too much like a firecracker display honestly.

Also I won't even go into the immersion and realism factor of having the enemy ship crews walking around on the deck as the ship is sinking. This is a killer to me.

LOL, zeeee eye candy. I would look forward to some awesome mods. As for guys on deck, I am never close enough to see them anyways.

[OakGroove]

Or did some of you just click a button to further an agenda.

Exactly this is the point i was trying to get across. How could you know, and what does it mean to the validity of such polls.

[longam]

No vote, but mine shipped today....:D

[ERPP8]

Some stores haven't followed Ubi's guidelines by waiting until the official release date. So they put it on the shelves as soon as they got it.
Lucky them:damn::damn:

[SteamWake]

Can you see the names of the people who have voted once you've voted yourself? I predict naysayers voting "Bad" before even trying it.

But then again, I'm maybe a bit cynical.

No, I think you are pretty accurate.

I know it was early in the thread but.....

Sorry but that just made me laugh out loud... :salute:

ps;I did not vote :rock:

[Méo]

Funny, none of the 6 people who voted ''Bad. Shouldn't have bought it/will be collecting dust in my shelf'' had explained why he shouldn't have bought it?

Unless they are all lurkers, but I would be surprised...

[Heretic]

There's been two I've seen post in other threads - FIREWALL and some other guy I don't recall. Don't know if they voted.

[laugi]

i play the game for the last 3 days, i like it a lot but there is few things that i do not like so far:

the main gun i need to fire it myself, the gunner does not fire it by himself, no way to check on the depth, tha navigator does nothing, please ask me what you wanna know i i will try to answer

[finchOU]

I think this poll is way way way premature. Sure its good to get your feeling out right now....but I would say wait a month or two of playing ..getting solid hours in to get a real feel for "how your feel" about SH5. I think the problem right now is people are going to have emotional reactions...vise solid feedback for others. I want what people think after the initial shock and OOOO AWWWW (or frustration) wears off....and the meat is what is left to grade. I'm just saying

[laugi]

the moral does not work well one you save the game and come back to it. for example if my officers have 4 morals pts, i save the game, exit and when i reload the moral pts are gone.

[laugi]

in general the game look great, i love the fact that you can go everywhere in the sub

[laugi]

by the way i live in washington DC and i have 2 copy of the game, so if someone want to buy a copy from me i will sell it for $30

[laugi]

as well the watch officer was not very good on my first patrol, it did not see any ships, so i caugth him missing a ship 500 yards away. When the guys have good moral i can see a big difference on there performance...

[CCIP]

as well the watch officer was not very good on my first patrol, it did not see any ships, so i caugth him missing a ship 500 yards away. When the guys have good moral i can see a big difference on there performance...

Yep... a little too much.

The TC still drops when you're near ships though.

[DMB3428]

I played all weekend and the game isnt bad but Im hoping mods can make it better :arrgh!:

[Onkel Neal]

Funny, none of the 6 people who voted ''Bad. Shouldn't have bought it/will be collecting dust in my shelf'' had explained why he shouldn't have bought it?

Unless they are all lurkers, but I would be surprised...


That's probably because none of them actually bought the game.

[FIREWALL]

With all the modding this site can provide this is and will always be a FPS\RPG wrapped in a Submarine.

The only thing missing is Army uniforms and M-16'S

The novelity of this game will wear off in about 6 mo's.

It's sad what could've been. After the 4th I expect hopefully there will be some honest posters who will also express their disapointment and not just be an asskisser.

Long Live Real Subsimers. :salute:

[Onkel Neal]

Let me asked you, whose asses are these people supposed to be kissing and why are you fixated on it?

[R-T-B]

With all the modding this site can provide this is and will always be a FPS\RPG wrapped in a Submarine.

The only thing missing is Army uniforms and M-16'S

The novelity of this game will wear off in about 6 mo's.

It's sad what could've been. After the 4th I expect hopefully there will be some honest posters who will also express their disapointment and not just be an asskisser.

Long Live Real Subsimers. :salute:

I stronly disagree. With scripting, give me a copy and I will prove you very very wrong. ;)

[laugi]

the AI respond pretty good, just got depth charge big time and they do not let me go (the destroyers). for sure moral is very important, the gunner work good, i find out the way to order the gun to fire by himself, the sound guy is giving me contact(because his moral is higth) but no way to ask him to follow a contact...

[CCIP]

Good to hear about the AI. I haven't got a good enough feel for it yet.

There is one game-stopping issue to be aware of for now, and that is the morale-system-breaking savegame reloads. I imagine this will not be a problem for long... waiting on that patch.

[walsh2509]

the AI respond pretty good, just got depth charge big time and they do not let me go (the destroyers). for sure moral is very important, the gunner work good, i find out the way to order the gun to fire by himself, the sound guy is giving me contact(because his moral is higth) but no way to ask him to follow a contact...


That got me thinking about gaining skill/moral pts , with 1/2 unarmed merchants in SH3/SH4Uboat add , I would man the gun though I had my gunners in place, I would manually shoot the gun myself as it saved a lot of shells.

Q? is , if I do this will my gunner crew gain skill/moral or whatever they get, or would I have to let them get on with it themselves for them to gain experience.

If I do it manually and I usual after a range shot get 99% of hits on target, if I do this would that be past on to my gun crews stats.

[jwilliams]

Oh Noes...:nope:

The bad votes are slowly catching the good votes!!!!!

Yeah could be people who havent bought the game voting....:down:

I really hope the game isnt that bad... Please.....
The OSP is already killing game, if the game is also bad ima cry. :wah:

My SH3 is looking date'd now.

Fingers crossed

P.S. I didnt vote due to not having the game

[Gunnodayak]

With all the modding this site can provide this is and will always be a FPS\RPG wrapped in a Submarine.

The only thing missing is Army uniforms and M-16'S

The novelity of this game will wear off in about 6 mo's.

It's sad what could've been. After the 4th I expect hopefully there will be some honest posters who will also express their disapointment and not just be an asskisser.

Long Live Real Subsimers. :salute:

Great reply! I support your opinion completely.You've managed to synthesize in just a few words the huge disappointment of many members here, who are interested in WWII submarine simulation. Like one great man said once, "You can put pearls on a swine, but it's still a pig". And I am saying that with no intention to underestimate the modders work, they really managed to made SH 3&4 playable due to their efforts. The problem is the core, the base structure of the game, which is almost impossible to be changed, and besides, that should be the developers work. Because they are earning their living through that, or at least, they are supposed to do that, offering good products on this decaying market.

[Onkel Neal]

Great reply! I support your opinion completely.You've managed to synthesize in just a few words the huge disappointment of many members here, who are interested in WWII submarine simulation. Like one great man said once, "You can put pearls on a swine, but it's still a pig". And I am saying that with no intention to underestimate the modders work, they really managed to made SH 3&4 playable due to their efforts. The problem is the core, the base structure of the game, which is almost impossible to be changed, and besides, that should be the developers work. Because they are earning their living through that, or at least, they are supposed to do that, offering good products on this decaying market.

How about a pic of your smiling face by the game disk? You bought the game and voted Bad. Shouldn't have bought it/will be collecting dust in my shelf, right?

[Gunnodayak]

How about a pic of your smiling face by the game disk? You bought the game and voted Bad. Shouldn't have bought it/will be collecting dust in my shelf, right?
How about thinking that I am not your or anyone's circus monkey to expose my "smiling face" doing things at command ??? If you would asked me that in a polite way, I would have given you that. Maybe you should try again.

[boldero]

Well, got my copy here today in the UK courtesy of shopto.com and so far I'm totally blown away, so far the level of detail and immersion is superb, THIS is what I personally wanted from a world war 2 Atlantic submarine simulation.

I'm sure that after a few mods have been added by the talented people here this game could be made even better than it already is in terms of historical accuracy etc.

I defy anyone not to go 'wow' when they first set foot in the command room of a VII or not be impressed the first time you sail into Kiel or stick an eel into an unsuspecting polish merchant, well you get the drift.

Also it was nice to see Neal and the people here at subsim getting an honourable mention in the credits, a very nice touch from a very talented dev team who have done sh5 proud.

:yeah:from me!

[Onkel Neal]

How about thinking that I am not your or anyone's circus monkey to expose my "smiling face" doing things at command ??? If you would asked me that in a polite way, I would have given you that. Maybe you should try again.

That wasn't polite? Please? Pleeease (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p6_WZJJNBw)!

[Danevang]

One does understand the frustration that some people feel, seeing their favorite game series changing (RPG elements etc.), but...

The game industry is just not as it used to be, the "niche games" that were plentiful some time ago are released more as tools than as finished games nowadays (i.e. everything Paradox releases), but I suppose we should be grateful that anyone releases these games at all. It won't be long before we only have something that everyone will play (exit niche games). It's not all bad though, I don't see many any other games being released with as much modding potential as these niche games (i.e. SH5 supports scripting), and those tools/possibilities are definately worth laying down some money, so that the GREAT modders of the former SH games might work magic, bringing these tools to proper use. That's my oppinion.

Too many people in here get too frustrated, and give up too quickly. Get the SH5 "tool", and let the dedicated modders make something brilliant. See the game grow over the next years, get exited everytime a new spectacular mod gives your game new life. That's something I've loved with the last games. Honestly, noone even slightly familiar with the SH series can be supprised that the latest game is not the perfect Das Boot experience out of the box. Rather, think of SH5 as a blockbuster movie, not quite perfect, but hey, it can be improved, hell, modders can rewrite the script and shoot the movie all over again. Perhaps SH5 shouldn't be given up on already?

Summary: This poll is way too soon, wait and see. :smug:

[Hitman]

The purpose of the poll was to know how the people who buy SH5 feel about it. Since I have not bought it, I have obviously not voted in the poll and would ask people to be honest. Precisely because I haven't bought it, I want 1st hand rating from users, not just the reviews from some webs. A review is more profesional and less subjective, and I want better impression of the guts feeling the game causes in the user, good or bad.

Thanks

[bert8for3]

I'm rating it in the top category :up:, even though at the same time there are imo imperfections. The second category just sounded on the low side for me.

There are things that are different and that I'm still getting used to. There are things I want to see changed, and things that need fixing. But my rating is overall and I am seeing a very well-worked game, with nice gameplay and immersive features.

Just my own opinion of course, and others will disagree which is their right also.

[joejccva71]

Neal...anyway you slice it the game just isn't up to par with SH3/SH4. Not by a long shot in fact. Sure it's not a horrible game, but it's a step backward from previous versions with the exception of zeeee eye candy.

That's about it.

Pretty much every other aspect is either bugged and broken, or it's arcadeish. Fireworks explosions, morale system being royally broken, annoyances like ship crewmen walking around on the deck as ship is sinking, etc.

Of course these things can be modded, but I feel like Ubi took a step backwards here. Is it just me?

[cappy70]

.......I don't have the game, but it shipped today 2:nd of March from Amazon (US).:salute:

(From Pre-order I put in the 18th of October through SubSim.com)

[McHibbins]

Just a little Q and i don´t want to start a new thread for it :

How many and what kind of merchants are in it ? On the videos i always/only saw some kind of libertys or c2 and maybe t2 tankers.

[Seafireliv]

Folks will always try to push their agendas through polls. It's one of the wonderful things about the Internets.


This is totally ridiculous paranoia from you and some others. I am not buying SH5 while this draconian DRM exists, but i most certainly haven`t voted here to derail anything because it don`t apply to me since I don`t have the game. And i`m not the only one. I wasn`t even going to post in this thread until I saw your silly statement.

I guess if the Poll showed that 99% of people loved the game you`d be happy with that even if people voted who hadn`t bought it.

Get a grip.

[Heretic]

This is totally ridiculous paranoia from you and some others. I am not buying SH5 while this draconian DRM exists, but i most certainly haven`t voted here to derail anything because it don`t apply to me since I don`t have the game. And i`m not the only one. I wasn`t even going to post in this thread until I saw your silly statement.

I guess if the Poll showed that 99% of people loved the game you`d be happy with that even if people voted who hadn`t bought it.

Get a grip.

:har:

[Bilge_Rat]

After the 4th I expect hopefully there will be some honest posters who will also express their disapointment and not just be an asskisser.

Long Live Real Subsimers. :salute:


Where do you get off thinking you can insult everyone who does not agree with every word you post. You really need to work on your social skills, friend.

"Real Subsimers"? I doubt you understand the true meaning of that term. :salute:

[Gunnodayak]

This is totally ridiculous paranoia from you and some others. I am not buying SH5 while this draconian DRM exists, but i most certainly haven`t voted here to derail anything because it don`t apply to me since I don`t have the game. And i`m not the only one. I wasn`t even going to post in this thread until I saw your silly statement.

I guess if the Poll showed that 99% of people loved the game you`d be happy with that even if people voted who hadn`t bought it.

Get a grip.
I am one of those who are hugely disappointed by the game and Neal accused me that I don't have the game and asked me in a rude manner to prove him. Maybe I should start a poll with a title something like this, since it seems to be polls time anyway: "What do you think, should I embarrass Neal by posting a picture with me and the game or I shouldn't?" ?

[Méo]

This is totally ridiculous paranoia from you and some others. I am not buying SH5 while this draconian DRM exists, but i most certainly haven`t voted here to derail anything because it don`t apply to me since I don`t have the game. And i`m not the only one. I wasn`t even going to post in this thread until I saw your silly statement.

I guess if the Poll showed that 99% of people loved the game you`d be happy with that even if people voted who hadn`t bought it.

Get a grip.

Paranoia?

There had been many cases of people trying to influence the bying decision of members here by posting threads about ''support your ............don't buy SH5'' and threads about ''boycott SH5'' that been closed quickly.

So since this is a secret vote, I don't see any reason why those few people would quit this behaviour.

Unless I missed something I did not see any case of people trying to influence the bying decision of members here by posting threads about ''support the SH franchise, buy SH5''

There is always the possibility that people vote without even trying it, particularly when this is a secret vote (no matter very good or very bad).

[Safe-Keeper]

I am one of those who are hugely disappointed by the game and Neal accused me that I don't have the game and asked me in a rude manner to prove him. Maybe I should start a poll with a title something like this, since it seems to be polls time anyway: "What do you think, should I embarrass Neal by posting a picture with me and the game or I shouldn't?" ?If you think you have something to gain from it, by all means prove your claim.

The novelity of this game will wear off in about 6 mo's.As with III and 4, and hence, mods.

It's sad what could've been. After the 4th I expect hopefully there will be some honest posters who will also express their disapointment and not just be an asskisser.I don't think there's too many people who haven't expressed disappointment. I know I have. I'm not throwing the baby out with the bathwater, though, because I see the potential in this game from the modding tools.

All in all, I think it's a good compromise - Ubi gets to cater to the masses by making a Hollywood-ish game, while at the same time giving us sim fans modding tools aplenty so we can turn it into what we want.

[Thomen]

Not sure, if it was mentioned or asked before..

I would appreciate if someone could answer the following:

All screenshots I saw so far of the in game map show latitude and longitude but no grid reference.

Are positions in radio messages given in l&l, KM grid or can you set them to one or the other? Does SH5 uses the grid map at all?

Thanks! :salute:

[Gunnodayak]

If you think you have something to gain from it, by all means prove your claim.
No, I don't have something to gain from that and even I am not the biggest fan of the owner of the forum, I respect him enough not to put him in an embarrassing position in which he should pay me apologies. That wouldn't be a very good position for the owner of the forum to the public perception. I am pretty pissed already that I've thrown my money down the toilet.

[frenema]

Paranoia?

There had been many cases of people trying to influence the bying decision of members here by posting threads about ''support your ............don't buy SH5'' and threads about ''boycott SH5'' that been closed quickly.

So since this is a secret vote, I don't see any reason why those few people would quit this behaviour.

Unless I missed something I did not see any case of people trying to influence the bying decision of members here by posting threads about ''support the SH franchise, buy SH5''

There is always the possibility that people vote without even trying it, particularly when this is a secret vote (no matter very good or very bad).

So what? There's been many posts of people saying how much they will love this game before they even played it and people saying that they would buy it no matter what to support the series. And not to mention the fact that Ubisoft people (who are the ones with an agenda) can easily create an account to vote. I'm not saying that there aren't people pissed enough to vote Bad when they haven't even played it, but the opposite possibility is there too. So please stop with this witch hunt accusing people based on your hunch (which does amount to paranoia) just because more people voted less favorably than YOU wanted them to.

[609_Avatar]

Paranoia?

There had been many cases of people trying to influence the bying decision of members here by posting threads about ''support your ............don't buy SH5'' and threads about ''boycott SH5'' that been closed quickly.

So since this is a secret vote, I don't see any reason why those few people would quit this behaviour.

Unless I missed something I did not see any case of people trying to influence the bying decision of members here by posting threads about ''support the SH franchise, buy SH5''

There is always the possibility that people vote without even trying it, particularly when this is a secret vote (no matter very good or very bad).

Just because someone has asked people to support their opinion/position does not necessarily mean they are trying to influence you or that they will try and deceive others into thinking they own a product and thus alter the accuracy of a poll. Are there those that would do this, sure there are, but your statement seem to imply that everyone who has voiced a negative position against SHV will do so.

Gunnodayak (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/member.php?u=248361), I don't think Neal accused you, though his post did imply that he is doubtful and thus asked for proof. Ii can understand why you may feel "insulted" but nothing that he typed was actually insulting in the way it was worded. And yes, do post a picture and prove him wrong! Some here are a lot more cynical, and probably based on their own experience, than others. I always considered myself cynical but I pale in comparison to some here! :haha: :)

[609_Avatar]

No, I don't have something to gain from that and even I am not the biggest fan of the owner of the forum, I respect him enough not to put him in an embarrassing position in which he should pay me apologies. That wouldn't be a very good for the owner of the forum to the public perception. I am pretty pissed already that I've thrown my money down the toilet.

Neal has a tough hull, I don't think he'll be embarrassed at all. But I still think you should if only to show that there are people that have bought it and do have a negative opinion of it.

[Méo]

So since this is a secret vote, I don't see any reason why those few people would quit this behaviour.
but your statement seem to imply that everyone who has voiced a negative position against SHV will do so.

You used the word everyone and used the words few people.

Seems like you missed my point.

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Edit: there was absolutely no offence intended in this post.

[McHibbins]

Easy guys...easy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L_kYJbcIrQ

[Bilge_Rat]

No, I don't have something to gain from that and even I am not the biggest fan of the owner of the forum, I respect him enough not to put him in an embarrassing position in which he should pay me apologies. That wouldn't be a very good position for the owner of the forum to the public perception.

I seriously doubt most posters here would support you over Neal or even expect him to apologize. If you are not happy with this forum, you are always free to start your own and pay for it out of your own pocket as Neal does...:salute:

I am pretty pissed already that I've thrown my money down the toilet.

considering your prior opinion:


Simply horrible, arcade RPG style game ...


I'm surprised you rushed out to buy it so quickly or why you would be disapointed by what you found...I'm sure Ubisoft is happy though...:salute:

[Heretic]

I'm surprised you rushed out to buy it so quickly...

... especially after leaving a trail of threads saying you wouldn't buy it.

[Méo]

Paranoia?

There had been many cases of people trying to influence the bying decision of members here by posting threads about ''support your ............don't buy SH5'' and threads about ''boycott SH5'' that been closed quickly.

So since this is a secret vote, I don't see any reason why those few people would quit this behaviour.

Unless I missed something I did not see any case of people trying to influence the bying decision of members here by posting threads about ''support the SH franchise, buy SH5''

There is always the possibility that people vote without even trying it, particularly when this is a secret vote (no matter very good or very bad).
So what? There's been many posts of people saying how much they will love this game before they even played it and people saying that they would buy it no matter what to support the series. And not to mention the fact that Ubisoft people (who are the ones with an agenda) can easily create an account to vote. I'm not saying that there aren't people pissed enough to vote Bad when they haven't even played it, but the opposite possibility is there too. So please stop with this witch hunt accusing people based on your hunch (which does amount to paranoia) just because more people voted less favorably than YOU wanted them to.


Paranoia?

There had been many cases of people trying to influence the bying decision of members here by posting threads about ''support your ............don't buy SH5'' and threads about ''boycott SH5'' that been closed quickly.

So since this is a secret vote, I don't see any reason why those few people would quit this behaviour.

Unless I missed something I did not see any case of people trying to influence the bying decision of members here by posting threads about ''support the SH franchise, buy SH5''

There is always the possibility that people vote without even trying it, particularly when this is a secret vote (no matter very good or very bad).

:shifty:

[Gunnodayak]

OK, it seems that there are many of you who don't believe that I have the game. Before giving you the proof, do you have the guts to say that you will apologize to me and to all that you've insulted in this crazy SH5 frenzy after that?
And by the way, the vote is not secret anymore.

[frenema]

:shifty:

Oh please, you have only been accusing people who voted unfavorably:
Funny, none of the 6 people who voted ''Bad. Shouldn't have bought it/will be collecting dust in my shelf'' had explained why he shouldn't have bought it?

Unless they are all lurkers, but I would be surprised...

And this is how you initially responded to the original suggestion that it may go both both ways: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1285699&postcount=8

To even think that some people might be trying to skew the results only in a bad way requires blissful ignorance. How would you know if you don't even know who voted what?

[609_Avatar]

You used the word everyone and used the words few people.

Seems like you missed my point.

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Edit: there was absolutely no offence intended in this post.

No offense taken. :up: Yes, I did use the word everyone intentionally as I was stating what I've seen, based on my perception in what I've read in your posts (which can be totally wrong), that you were implying those that have "whined" and complained about DRM and other issues they think are there would do this. I took the "few" to mean that those people who are against buying SHV for what ever reason are in the minority compared to those that think positively of SHV and have/will buy it. So if that was not your intent/meaning than yes, I did miss some/one of your points. :)

[609_Avatar]

OK, it seems that there are many of you who don't believe that I have the game. Before giving you the proof, do you have the guts to say that you will apologize to me and to all that you've insulted in this crazy SH5 frenzy after that?
And by the way, the vote is not secret anymore.

I hope you aren't putting me in that category. I take people at their word until proven otherwise. I only suggested you "prove it" it order to show others that automatically won't/don't believe you or anyone else that voted negatively actually have it. Maybe we should also ask that those that have voted "Amazing! Best UBoat simulation I have ever played." also post a picture proving that they have it? ;) (this is an attempt at humor!)

[Méo]

Oh please, you have only been accusing people who voted unfavorably:


And this is how you initially responded to the original suggestion that it may go both both ways: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1285699&postcount=8

To even think that some people might be trying to skew the results only in a bad way requires blissful ignorance. How would you know if you don't even know who voted what?

I've raised doubts about the validity of this poll and I expressed my opinion.

You seems to be particularly annoyed with this.

This is only your own interpretation.

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@ 609 Avatar: no problem!:salute:

[Bilge_Rat]

Gunnodayak, I have no reason to doubt that you have the game.

We are all just a bit surprised that you bought it given your previous posts.

Look on the bright side though, no one will now deny you the right to criticize the game to your heart's content.....:salute:

[Gunnodayak]

I hope you aren't putting me in that category. I take people at their word until proven otherwise. I only suggested you "prove it" it order to show others that automatically won't/don't believe you or anyone else that voted negatively actually have it. Maybe we should also ask that those that have voted "Amazing! Best UBoat simulation I have ever played." also post a picture proving that they have it? ;) (this is an attempt at humor!)
No, I am not putting you in this category, really. And you know, I've never thought that we would arrive to such a point, to be ASKED TO PROVE that you've played the game, like we are in some court or something ... But there's no problem, I will embaress some of them if they really want that. I want to hear them first saying that they will apologize after that for all this "trial" mess. I must admit that I am already ashamed that I've bought the game, but I did that to give UBI credit till the last minute, till the 13th hour. The leader of this project assured me a couple of weeks ago that the game is great, I've took his word. I've hoped with all my heart that I will be wrong and I've said to him that I will be the first to congratulate him and the dev team. For those who don't know, his name is Alexandru Gris, I suppose elnaiba (the developer who is also a member of this forum) can confirm you who is responsible for this project. Unfortunately, I don't feel that there are reasons from my point of view to congratulate them, now, that I've seen the result of their work.
And indeed, you have humor, maybe we ALL should prove that we've played the game, no matter the way we feel after that ...:)
This kind of subjectivity is making me sick sometimes, the things are getting out of hands, it would have been better to have two forums: SH5 fans and SH5not so fans. I guess in that way this kind of tension wouldn't had taken place in such a regretful way.
We were being called "whiners", we are accused not to go with the flow, but why should we? We have the right to express our opinions, while not trying to insult the others (except being insulted first, that is always an opportunity for the domino principle ... eye for eye, tooth for tooth). There's some direction from the "above" that we should follow regarding what we should feel about this game? I sense something like that, but I refuse to follow that direction. SH5 is not a submarine simulator game, it's just a pathetic hybrid. And the money I've gave them for their product give me the right to say that loud and clear. I don't want to insult the ones that are not playing on "realistic" level (which is far from realistic notion implemented in the game anyway), but my expectations from a SUBSIM (the forum is called this way, right?) PC game are a little higher ... Otherwise I would play Crysis.

[GermanGS]

Best feature in the game was when i was attacking a UNPROTECTED convoy off coast of England they radiod in and a task force with 6 Destroyers came out the neibhoring port to chace me down, and aircraft were swarming the place as well.

It was awsome.

i ended up sinking but at least it felt very realistic ;)

[Flopper]

Sorry if it's a bit off topic, and I thought I would wait to purchase, but I dunno... I drop 50 bucks a week at the liquor store. But my system is several years old:

AMD Athlon 64x2 dual core 3800+
2 Ghz
2 GB RAM (unfortunately that's a full bank of 500MB dimms, or i would have upgraded already)
NVidia GeForce 8600GTS, 256MB

So strictly from a performance standpoint, should I even bother considering a purchase of sh5? :hmmm:

EDIT: AVATAR pointed me to the right thread... sorry for the off topic.

[609_Avatar]

Sorry if it's a bit off topic, and I thought I would wait to purchase, but I dunno... I drop 50 bucks a week at the liquor store. But my system is several years old:

AMD Athlon 64x2 dual core 3800+
2 Ghz
2 GB RAM (unfortunately that's a full bank of 500MB dimms, or i would have upgraded already)
NVidia GeForce 8600GTS, 256MB

So strictly from a performance standpoint, should I even bother considering a purchase of sh5? :hmmm:

Try this thread: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162681

[Flopper]

Thanks 609_Avatar! :oops:

[cappy70]

wow:/\\k::/\\chop

[609_Avatar]

Thanks 609_Avatar! :oops:

No worries, hope you have enough "gas" to run it. ;)

[The General]

Best feature in the game was when i was attacking a UNPROTECTED convoy off coast of England they radiod in and a task force with 6 Destroyers came out the neibhoring port to chace me down, and aircraft were swarming the place as well.

It was awesome!!:DL

I ended up sinking but at least it felt very realistic ;)This is the best news I've heard about this game yet! The lack of response to A.I's radio requests fo support always bugged me. Not to mention the constant spawning of aircraft flying precisely to your position. All this has been fixed. In my opinion SH5 with a patch 1 day before offical release is better than stock SH3 and 4 by a country mile!

Now, where are my icebergs?! Please let there be icebergs in the Campaign so we can play cat & mouse with a destroyer!!:rock:

[CCIP]

I can confirm that it does appear that there is now a much better strategic AI. I am not 100% sure, but it also looked to me like after spotting me, instead of panicking and breaking formation, then simply continuing the same course, convoys would change their general course, making it much trickier to find them again.

[The General]

On topic: Now there's a Patch one day before release and apparently a few people have been voting on this poll before they even have the game :doh:. Technically, that makes the stock version on the day of release 1.01 and this poll should be declared null and void because it was taken for an unfinished product. I would like to see a Poll for Version 1.01 :cool:

Who's with me?!

[CCIP]

Haha, nice. I don't actually know waterloo that well - came here as a grad student and have been mostly stuck in my little u-bunker with my studies. Although I can certainly say that it's about the cleanest and quietest place i ever lived :)

edit: my vote doesn't change, although I also made that vote before I discovered a potential game-breaker in 1.00. Fingers crossed that 1.01 fixed it.

[The General]

edit: my vote doesn't change, although I also made that vote before I discovered a potential game-breaker in 1.00. Fingers crossed that 1.01 fixed it.How can you say your vote won't change when you haven't tried 1.01? As I just said you voted on an unfinished game you weren't ever meant to play. If the shop owners had followed the rules, you would've only ever experienced 1.01. because of the auto-patch system.

[IanC]

I think there may be a fundamental flaw in this poll, in that it is much harder, psychologically, to vote the game 'bad' after you have spent your 50$ on it.
On a subconscious level one will try and find the bright side, therefore feeling like he hasn't wasted any money. Just a thought.

[Safe-Keeper]

You know what, I actually think everyone who voted - for or against the game - actually should put their money where their mouth is and post a picture of the game. If for no other reason than that it'd be cool to have a dozen such shots in a single thread. We could even make it into a contest - and the coolest shot could perhaps win something from Neal's gift locker!

Then again, it goes both ways in all such polls - there's always people voting prematurely, both for and against, and really, it probably doesn't matter much at all (the poll will be skewed towards the positive side anyhow because the people who like it, buy it, and the people who are most likely to hate it, don't -- and thus do not get to vote in the first place. A "will not buy" option at the very bottom of the poll would make things more fair, to be honest).

No, I don't have something to gain from that and even I am not the biggest fan of the owner of the forum, I respect him enough not to put him in an embarrassing position in which he should pay me apologies. That wouldn't be a very good position for the owner of the forum to the public perception. I am pretty pissed already that I've thrown my money down the toilet.You're innocent til proven guilty, but I smell cop-out.

Best feature in the game was when i was attacking a UNPROTECTED convoy off coast of England they radiod in and a task force with 6 Destroyers came out the neibhoring port to chace me down, and aircraft were swarming the place as well.

It was awsome.

i ended up sinking but at least it felt very realistic ;)I just knew we'd see this when I saw the Mediterranean campaign map with ships and planes listed at various harbours and airfields. Awesome indeed.

[scrapser]

So far 56 people have bought and responded to the poll while in the other poll well over 1000 people have said they will either not buy or wait until DRM is removed. I wonder how representative this is of the overall market.

[Schunken]

The Poll will never me statistically correct because all have a different Focus:

Like take me as an example: Im not that hardcore player that ask and demand pure realism

I play SH3/SH4 always with limited fuel/ammunition/torpedos/battery and so on.

But I always keep the external views and this special "Ereigbiskamera" (do not know the english word).

And I never use the TDC....(Yes, burn the whitch, I know :D)

So, for me a missing TDC is not relevant. It will not make my review negative. Also I never use the Stadimeter....

So in my opinion the game can be excellent even without Stadimeter and manual TDC.

Or like the Conning tower discussion....for me is not relevant if the conning tower is 100% correct. I never see a real WWII-Vessel and maybe I never will see one...

But for others this will be a game-breaker....

For me would be a game braker for example stupid AI behavior.

I be not a casual gamer but I want to enjoy my game...after 8h of work and 2h of driving I do not want kill my brain with cos, sin and other functions....I still hate them in 8. Grade! :yawn:

I will wait for 4.th march, play it two days and than will I vote....and when there is no manual TDC I will not care....

And thats the reason why this Poll cant be 100% correct.... Because everybody hace a differnt focus in how he plays the game and what he enjoys....

....and dont bother me with manual TDC, I refuse to lean! ;)


Andreas

[Bilge_Rat]

I think there may be a fundamental flaw in this poll, in that it is much harder, psychologically, to vote the game 'bad' after you have spent your 50$ on it.
On a subconscious level one will try and find the bright side, therefore feeling like he hasn't wasted any money. Just a thought.


That is not necessarily true. I still remember my worst game purchase, the game "Cossack" which I thought would model 18th century warfare and turned out to just be a standard RTS. I played it for one weekend, uninstalled it and never played it again. I hated it.

I personally very much like SH5. It gives me the same feeling SH3 or SH4 did out of the box, both games which I very much enjoyed. It is enjoyable to play and I am looking forward to the next time. It appears to have less issues out of the box than SH4. It also appears to have more potential for modding than the previous games. I see no reason to expect that it will not be at least as great a game as SH3 turned out to be.

[mookiemookie]

You know what, I actually think everyone who voted - for or against the game - actually should put their money where their mouth is and post a picture of the game. If for no other reason than that it'd be cool to have a dozen such shots in a single thread. We could even make it into a contest - and the coolest shot could perhaps win something from Neal's gift locker!

http://imgur.com/7EoZE.jpg

Taken in front of my art print signed by Jürgen Oesten.

I rated based on my initial hour or two with the game. The interface is....jarring...coming from SH3 and SH4. It will take some getting used to. And I already miss some things...like knowing what my heading or fuel situation is at a glance. But the raw potential in this game is exciting!

[Safe-Keeper]

So far 56 people have bought and responded to the poll while in the other poll well over 1000 people have said they will either not buy or wait until DRM is removed. I wonder how representative this is of the overall market.
Verdamte DRM! Because of it, I resort to not buy the game until its release! That'll teach 'em!

...and no, it's far from uncommon. I've seen it several times and even fallen prey to it once or twice myself: you know you're not gonna buy the game, no way, no how, then you see it in stores and... wow. All of a sudden you decide you're getting it anyway:nope:.

The human mind is a bitch sometimes.

I rated based on my initial hour or two with the game. The interface is....jarring...coming from SH3 and SH4.I actually stopped playing '4 in part because of the UI. I just found it overly tricky to use, and hated how the stopwatch (of all things) popped up every time I upped time compression. Really curious to see how SH5 will work for me.

[mookiemookie]

I actually stopped playing '4 in part because of the UI. I just found it overly tricky to use, and hated how the stopwatch (of all things) popped up every time I upped time compression. Really curious to see how SH5 will work for me.

Prepare to have your world rocked. I kept pressing F5 to see the nav map that doesn't exist anymore. I feel like I'm starting over again at square one. Not that its necessarily a bad thing...I think I will end up liking this a lot, but it's just like re-learning how to walk again.

EDIT: I guess the nav map does sill exist. Only it's now "M" to enter it.

[temiri]

"Good but not perfect, dissapointing in some aspects, intended to get better with mods."

This would be my vote in this poll after some dud torpedoes:arrgh!:

[Galanti]

"Good but not perfect, dissapointing in some aspects, intended to get better with mods."

This would be my vote in this poll after some dud torpedoes:arrgh!:

Uh, are you serious? Dud torpedoes were a historical norm.

[janh]

The only way to make a meaningful poll here would be if Neal picked a subset of Subsim members and all of them would fill out the questionaire (try surverymonkey, allows for a little more sophistication and evaluation). This way you get a meaningful cross-section of the subsim-members at least.

And not only of those subsim members who bought SHV and a favor it (more the once that are disappointed and already not here anymore/ less likely to vote negative etc). And that way you could also insert some "test" questions that ensure that the sampled person actually played the game (or sort him out later if the test questions are mostly not correctly answered).

It would be very interesting to see, though quite a bit of work to set up a proper questionaire. On the other hand, so far people don't seem to be happier or more disappointed with SHV then they were with SHIV. Just that there appears to be a large number of people that won't buy into it until the DRM is removed, and/or several patches/ larger modders have be published. So I guess it will be a couple of months until such a questionaire really will make sense. And then we already will get the answer from UBI corporate -- called the quarterly sales report...

[FIREWALL]

It's easy to prove you have the game now or earlier without having Imageshack or Photobucket.

1. List contents of game case. Give details.
2. After install look at Credits and at near the end reveal who is the Gofather of SubSims. (Obvious but...)
3. Give some game details. (ones not posted by others)

Like I did. :yep:

The Earlybirds will know and confirm you have it. :woot:


As for posting a picture holding gamecase that's easy and proves nothing.

Go to any preorder site and, save to pictures the gamecase picture.

Print it out and shove it in an empty gamecase.

Take a picture and post it here.

Now I'm not saying anyone has done this. :haha:

By the 4th it will be a moot point anyways.

[Bilge_Rat]

...and no, it's far from uncommon. I've seen it several times and even fallen prey to it once or twice myself: you know you're not gonna buy the game, no way, no how, then you see it in stores and... wow. All of a sudden you decide you're getting it anyway:nope:.

The human mind is a bitch sometimes.



The SH series is like one of your hot ex-girlfriend you broke up with and who wants to get back together. You know she has faults and you should stay away, but you just..can't..resist...:damn:

Don't resist, go with the flow...:arrgh!:




p.s. - does that mean the Boycott is over?...:()1:

[Schunken]

...well, when I see the girls of my graduation class nowadays (20 years later) to resist is a very minor problem....:D

But you be correct....We all burn our fingers with this serie but we do not learn....but we also without an alternative...

like Homer when Lisa for a school project put a electric trap on the Donouts...

bzzz Doh! bzzz Doh! bzzz Doh!

;)

Andreas

[Méo]

The SH series is like one of your hot ex-girlfriend you broke up with and who wants to get back together. You know she has faults and you should stay away, but you just..can't..resist...:damn:

:haha::rotfl2:

:up:

[mookiemookie]

1. List contents of game case. Give details.[/SIZE]

:har: What contents? Two flimsy pieces of paper, one being your CD key and the other being all the warranty crap? They couldn't even be bothered to print a manual.

[609_Avatar]

The SH series is like one of your hot ex-girlfriend you broke up with and who wants to get back together. You know she has faults and you should stay away, but you just..can't..resist...:damn:

Don't resist, go with the flow...:arrgh!:




p.s. - does that mean the Boycott is over?...:()1:

:har: Yeah, I've done that twice with previous girlfriends but then never did it again. I can actually learn from my mistakes! :D Now I'm married and it's all a moot issue anyway.

And no, for me, the boycott is not over. I stick to my word. :up:

[Onkel Neal]

Neal...anyway you slice it the game just isn't up to par with SH3/SH4. Not by a long shot in fact. Sure it's not a horrible game, but it's a step backward from previous versions with the exception of zeeee eye candy.


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That's the sound of me not defending the game. You don't have to convinve me the game is beneath the standards we're used to from Ubisoft Romania.



I am one of those who are hugely disappointed by the game and Neal accused me that I don't have the game and asked me in a rude manner to prove him. Maybe I should start a poll with a title something like this, since it seems to be polls time anyway: "What do you think, should I embarrass Neal by posting a picture with me and the game or I shouldn't?" ?

Go ahead :) Takes more than admitting I am wrong to embarrass me. I know I'm not always right, I'm perfectly fine with admitting when I make a mistake. Of course, you can get the game at any store today, so you're too late to prove anything :O:

And I think if you are honest you might agree that some of the people who clicked "the game is bad" did so even though they had not actually gotten the game yet.




Gunnodayak, I don't think Neal accused you, though his post did imply that he is doubtful and thus asked for proof. Ii can understand why you may feel "insulted" but nothing that he typed was actually insulting in the way it was worded. And yes, do post a picture and prove him wrong! Some here are a lot more cynical, and probably based on their own experience, than others. I always considered myself cynical but I pale in comparison to some here! :haha: :)

Let's put it this way; when the poll first went up, and several others who had expressed a very negative opinion of the game voted "Bad" right away. None of these guys had mentioned playing the game in other threads.... :hmmm: 2 + 2.... yeah, 4, that's it.

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat
I'm surprised you rushed out to buy it so quickly...
Originally Posted by Heretic... especially after leaving a trail of threads saying you wouldn't buy it.

Exactly! If I ever need an attorney, I'm speaking with Heretic first.

This poll is utterly useless, as Hitman suggested, time for a new poll where you stand behind your vote, and maybe we can get a better idea of what people with the game, think about the game.

[Carotio]

I haven't bought the game yet, I'm still on hold, for several reasons, both game related, and, this is the primary reason, for real life reasons, so I haven't voted for this, but the result interests me of course, and I would have loved to see who voted what. A long time forum members vote is more convincing to me than that of a newbie - no offence. :03:

[brett25]

This poll is utterly useless, as Hitman suggested, time for a new poll where you stand behind your vote, and maybe we can get a better idea of what people with the game, think about the game. I have to agree with Neal on this point. Whats strange is that its in everyone's best interest that this game be a winner. For the future of PC simulation, this should be obvious. Remember SH3 in its original form was quite raw when compared to the game as it exists now thanks to this community. So be honest in your appraisal and try to differentiate between those disappointments that will eventually be modded and those that are more inherent in the sh5 engine.

[CCIP]

Some people's sense of entitlement is amazing. Seriously, where does this level of spoiled-ness come from? I mean, I understand that some expectations are high on a game like this. But when is everything met? Honestly, even if the devs weren't limited by resources and time... I suspect the level of cynicism would be the same. Because for some people nothing is enough.

I think criticism is always due, but keep it realistic. Really, what are you basing your expectations on? Has there been a game that met them before?

Rationally speaking, this is still the best WWII subsim available. You don't have to go far to find that. It's just that it's not your dream subsim and I think all of us will have to accept that.

Again, I think problems ought to be criticised. But give yourself a reality-check before posting it - ask yourself if something like that is even fair to air out on a public forum. I find that many of the comments here are by people who have far, far too much entitlement that they get from wearing the imaginary badge of "hardcore subsimmer". What did you do to earn that right, anyway? Pay 50 bucks? Spend a while playing old subsims? Is that really fair?

Game design is a business that is sadly trapped between technological limits, funding limits, and more than a little corporate politics. In between those things you will NEVER get your ideal game. So try to keep a realistic perspective on the real game that is now out and, I must say, quite playable.

And finally, remember one thing: at the end of the day, this is JUST A GAME. It's not an advanced virtual reality of your dreams. Sorry, we don't quite live in a cyberpunk future yet.

[tomfon]

I believe that we tend to rush things a bit. The game is arguably ''green'' therefore opinions are likely to be based more on the excitement of playing a new game and less on a ''solid'' or mature (as opposed to ''green'') point of view. Thus, what is the meaning of this poll?

I'd rather see a poll with the following options:


'' I'm satisfied and i will certainly enjoy playing it ''
'' I'm not satisfied. ''

In both cases voters should feel obliged to justify their opinions. This way everyone will be able to know what's in other peoples' head.
The poll should take place a month from now.
Also, it would be nice to make a poll where voters are obliged to post their opinion first and vote afterwards. This way we would know for sure...

I think that's pretty fair given the criticism SH5 has taken due to the DRM thing ; it' s easier for somebody to vote ''don't like it'' after the anti-DRM campaign without giving it a second thought. Some of the voters may not even have bought the game yet!

Anyway... patience, as always.:-?

[janh]

CCIP, the question is "What are high expectations?" Clearly, they are defined by the customer: "to buy or not to buy". So, expectations are individual and determined probably by a huge variety of factors including what other hobbies (games, movies, music, outdoor activities, friends, partying, opera, sports, books etc etc.), family or work are competing with the idea of another game purchase. The new product needs to fulfill some sort of quality standard as to how it rates compared to other activities that also want their share of time.

Now, speaking for me, I played SH3+GWX, which it still remains an awesome combination. Due to work I have little free time to spent, and I have quite a few other hobbies, too. So any new leisure time investment (game, book, movie etc.) better be pretty awesome, and a clear "advancement" over any other such product I have previously owned. It ought to be a new "experience".

For a computer game sequel, that to me means to incorporate all previous features, and add new game ideas/features/mechanics that render it a "novel experience".

For a simulation like SHV, my least expectations would thus be all of SHIII's features, plus something ground-breaking new. This could be the dynamic campaign that affects the outcome of the war; the wolf pack battles; maybe a strategic level at which the player might influence the positioning of wolf packs; etc. etc. Though I like the idea of including a role playing element, I find it rather tangential to the simulation part, and would probably turn it off after a while if I could -- I just don't have infinite time to spent playing, so I would prefer to focus on core parts. Nice to have, but not sufficient for me.

Graphics are for a couple of years already no sufficient reason to buy a new game for me either. When graphics still were 640x480x16 color, clearly any improvement in that was already a major improvement. Nowadays, when I would rate SHIII graphics already 9/10, I find any improvement there does not add to the game mechanics -- though it is nice if, but only if, all other criteria for a "novel experience" are fulfilled! Else I can easily pass on further graphics upgrades for a good simulation.

So I guess, it is game mechanics and features that sells -- for me. Things I can do, influence, control and that have a clear and present effect on the outcome of the game/simulation, and that don't already wear off after looking at the 500th screenshot in the forums...

[CCIP]

I agree, and certainly my own ideal wishes are also for a hardcore sim. But I also recognize both the necessity and real value in making the game appeal to non-hardcore users. I wouldn't be here today if I hadn't played Silent Service 2 with my dad as a 9-year-old. And I think it's having to negotiate that balance between different audiences + time/money constraints that have caused several compromises here that the hardcore players will never fully accept. So, mods will have to do.

I just finished a full play-through of 1939-1945 in OM with 100% realism and several realism-oriented house rules, so I know what a hardcore subsim experience is like and why it's good. I realize it'll be a bit before I can get that from SH5. On the other hand some features of SH5 already have me jumping for joy, while the game itself is already fairly enjoyable. For better or worse, the hardcore experience is something that the hardcore community has to take into its' own hands. It's just not marketable enough for ubi. But when you look far enough into the game, past the (sometimes iffy) surface presentation, what you will find is that the devs have done MANY key code changes that will serve us well in the long run and will hugely benefit realism.

Let this game prove itself and keep a reality check on your expectations. That's all I'm saying. By all means, as a die-hard's U-boat game, SHIII+GWX and SHIV+OM are still the benchmarks. But those benchmarks were achieved with probably several times the combined labour and time that it took to develop each of these games (SHIII/IV/V). So I think it's an unfair comparison for an out-of-the box title.

[Flopper]

Some people's sense of entitlement is amazing. Seriously, where does this level of spoiled-ness come from?


Agreed! I think it starts as being spoiled brats who never wanted for anything in their whole lives, LOL. I've always been amazed at this phenomenon, especially in the free world.


Rationally speaking, this is still the best WWII subsim available.

Hold on, now! Vanilla to vanilla, perhaps. But I would argue that vanilla SHV can't come anywhere NEAR SH3 with my mod selection (personally) and that goes for sh4 too. For me anyway, there's just way too much missing. Granted, I do NOT have the game, and have only seen videos and read the posts on subsim. And I'm a sucker for guages and dials and slide rules and whiz wheels and such.

If I had a stronger box, I'd probably get sh5 right now, even knowing its flaws, drm and everything. I just spent $665 to get a compressor replaced in my 2.5 year old fridge. I had a couple of shots of Patron at a club last week with the wife, and it was nearly the price of this game. Gotta keep things in perspective!

And there's nothing wrong with complaining about how horrific a game is, either. But I'd say it would be an ERROR to expect anything near perfection, at least for the price you'd pay for it. If you're that bent out of shape about it, and really, really want it, download a free compiler and get busy coding! Compiler not up to your standards? Write your own! You think I'm kidding! :D

[Shakermaker]

After my first night of playing I vote for: Good but not perfect, though I definately like to play it. Because that about sums it up for me. There are bugs and it needs more polish, so a patch is definitely in order, but I am having a lot of fun with it so far.

[CCIP]

Hold on, now! Vanilla to vanilla, perhaps.



Oh of course. Sorry if I came off unclear on that. But I think that it's an unfair comparison for SHIII+GWX/SHIV+OM. But there are already many features in this which will never be in these later-day mods and imho that already at least makes it the most promising subsim to date. Time will only tell if it fulfills it.

[Flopper]

Oh of course. Sorry if I came off unclear on that. But I think that it's an unfair comparison for SHIII+GWX/SHIV+OM. But there are already many features in this which will never be in these later-day mods and imho that already at least makes it the most promising subsim to date. Time will only tell if it fulfills it.

True, it IS an unfair comparison... how could they possibly compete? They're trying to feed their families and make their motorcycle payments, after all. :salute: I believe we're on the same page, sir!

[mookiemookie]

I had a couple of shots of Patron at a club last week with the wife, and it was nearly the price of this game. Gotta keep things in perspective!

:haha: Now that is a great comparison. People get all up in arms about the price of the game, yet will drop he same amount of cash at a bar, or going to a baseball game, or even filling their car up with a tank of gas without blinking an eye.

[janh]

It is funny -- a fair or an unfair comparison.... Now I guess for most customers it doesn't matter where his/her product comes from, as long as it is up to desired qualities.

To me it seems that the trend in the past decade to moddable games has actually put much heavier pressure on the computer game industry. Now they not only compete with rival companies and other industries etc. for customers money, but also with modders... Sure makes it much harder for them. I guess modders are the next pirates... ;-)

PS. I agree that it appears as if SHV may have the potential to replace SHIII+GWX from its throne once major mods have taken the simulation part to the next level. And as long as that is possible, I have no problem that it is geared to a broader customer basis. Though I feel that it shouldn't have been too much effort for the devs to put in stuff that they had already developed in SHIII, such as the nice analogue interface, map frame, fully manual TDC etc. -- and then add a selection box for that to the configuration menu. Then everyone could have "his SHV".
The only thing that keeps me from buying remains the DRM. Too sad, but I have enough patience -- and other things to "waste" may free time with...

[jwilliams]

It is funny -- a fair or an unfair comparison.... Now I guess for most customers it doesn't matter where his/her product comes from, as long as it is up to desired qualities.

To me it seems that the trend in the past decade to moddable games has actually put much heavier pressure on the computer game industry. Now they not only compete with rival companies and other industries etc. for customers money, but also with modders... Sure makes it much harder for them. I guess modders are the next pirates... ;-)

Modders offer no threat to the games companies, infact they prob help the games companies sell more games.

Modders cannot sell mods (without publishers approval as modders dont own the software). thats why most mods are FREE.

[CCIP]

But in a sense they are doing a good job of competing (although maybe that's not the right word) with modders. Or rather what they're doing is staying off their turf and instead focusing their updates on stuff modders can't quite get at while also catering to a fundamentally different (or just wider) range of audiences. There's no question that as far as the hardcore market, it's hard for them to compete with modded versions of their earlier games. That's why they focus on platform updates. What they offer is certainly stuff that modders can't get at - otherwise, who'd need commercial development?

Let's face it, as much as we like to praise the great modding community, we still can't live without a commercially-developed platform under our feet.

[jwilliams]

Im guessing that if software companies didnt like you modding their games they would be within their rights to get you to remove your mods from download sites. As they own the software code that you used to make the mod. and if you refused the im guessing they could sue for Copyright Infringment.

[janh]

I am pretty positive that once modding a prequel of a new product becomes a serious competition for the companies own new releases, they'd soon start cranking down on modding capabilities.

Think about it the other way around. If modding would guarantee sales and customer basis, why not provide the source code right away instead of - say - a scripting language with limited capabilities? It is better for them to keep a few things closed, otherwise there may not be a need for a new commercial platform...

For me SHIII+GWX as it stands competes favorably with SHV vanilla and thus (besides DRM) there is little reason for me to buy SHV. Without GWX, that would be a less clear-cut decision. So, wait and see what the future brings.

I bet you, if you had pointed out 10 years ago that a company would introduce a full OSP DRM scheme for single player games, few people would have believed you. Maybe modding will be "identified" by the decision makers in companies and advisors as a "problem" sometime? A possibility, isn't it?

[CCIP]

[QUOTE=janh;1289308]I am pretty positive that once modding a prequel of a new product becomes a serious competition for the companies own new releases, they'd soon start cranking down on modding capabilities. [quote]

I don't think that will ever happen to be honest. Again, you need to keep in mind the distinction between a hardcore niche and a wider market. That would be an issue for a small-time game/publication, but SH games are firmly mid-level as far as game releases go. That means most of their sales are not in fact in the niche, hardcore market.

In some cases this happens. See for example something like Distant Guns/Jutland, where the devs have the game's content firmly under control - something I don't, by the way, hold against them. It's just that when your sales are firmly in the niche, if your content was in direct competition with mods, you would go bankrupt shortly after your first release and the game platform would never be updated again. In the end that might not be such a good thing.

[Méo]

Some people's sense of entitlement is amazing. Seriously, where does this level of spoiled-ness come from? I mean, I understand that some expectations are high on a game like this. But when is everything met? Honestly, even if the devs weren't limited by resources and time... I suspect the level of cynicism would be the same. Because for some people nothing is enough.

I think criticism is always due, but keep it realistic. Really, what are you basing your expectations on? Has there been a game that met them before?

Rationally speaking, this is still the best WWII subsim available. You don't have to go far to find that. It's just that it's not your dream subsim and I think all of us will have to accept that.

Again, I think problems ought to be criticised. But give yourself a reality-check before posting it - ask yourself if something like that is even fair to air out on a public forum. I find that many of the comments here are by people who have far, far too much entitlement that they get from wearing the imaginary badge of "hardcore subsimmer". What did you do to earn that right, anyway? Pay 50 bucks? Spend a while playing old subsims? Is that really fair?

Game design is a business that is sadly trapped between technological limits, funding limits, and more than a little corporate politics. In between those things you will NEVER get your ideal game. So try to keep a realistic perspective on the real game that is now out and, I must say, quite playable.

And finally, remember one thing: at the end of the day, this is JUST A GAME. It's not an advanced virtual reality of your dreams. Sorry, we don't quite live in a cyberpunk future yet.

WELL SAID!

Couldn't agree more. :up:

[JScones]

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That's the sound of me not defending the game. You don't have to convinve me the game is beneath the standards we're used to from Ubisoft Romania.
:o

This poll is utterly useless, as Hitman suggested, time for a new poll where you stand behind your vote, and maybe we can get a better idea of what people with the game, think about the game.
Agreed, if only to stop the paranoia...:shifty:

[Steeltrap]

Oh of course. Sorry if I came off unclear on that. But I think that it's an unfair comparison for SHIII+GWX/SHIV+OM. But there are already many features in this which will never be in these later-day mods and imho that already at least makes it the most promising subsim to date. Time will only tell if it fulfills it.

I disagree with this. The fact is the developers have had ample opportunity to study GWX and NYGM to see what those mega-mods did to make SH3 a far better simulation of the war in the Atlantic.

I can see no reason why they should not take those achievements as the start point for SH5. By all means simplify some of it for less "hard core" players, but that doesn't justify ignoring the current state of those mods.

With what will most people here compare SH5? SH3 vanilla, or the modded SH3 they've been playing for years? The latter, of course. They might just as well release a DC-10 and say how much better it is compared with a 707, ignoring the fact that 707 morphed into 747 in the meantime (I'm sure you get the gist - please don't get obsessed over arguing the merits of aircraft).

If all they're done is spruced up the graphics and stuck some cheesy "RPG" elements in it, why should I applaud - let alone buy - that compared with modded SH3 as the benchmark?

For me, if SH5 is a retrograde step compared with modded SH3, then it is inferior. Period. I find any other comparison largely irrelevent, and almost 'apologist' in its approach.

Everyone's free to have their own view, of course, so I'm not about saying "you're wrong and I'm right and you're an idiot". I simply have a different opinion.

[CCIP]

I don't know. I think they did see them, but it's one thing to see and another thing to implement - it's not like it's possible to flat-out take work by the GWX team or anyone else and make it part of SHV by default. It took the GWX team more than 3 years, building on another year of work by other modders, to get where they are. SHV had a development time of just over a year, as far as we know. How could they implement things that took a very large modding community 4 years to build, AND write new features that would actually be marketable? Why would anyone buy an "official GWX-equivalent" without a substantial graphics update or some unique new gimmick like the first-person mode, anyway? It wouldn't make commercial sense. And well, sad but true - if it doesn't sell, it's as good as not being made at all.

Likewise, exactly what features do you have in mind which this should have but doesn't? And not to mention the question of whether some of those features were wanted by the public that ubi is aiming for...

I should say, I don't want to sound like an apologist so much as I want this thing to not ONLY be seen in a negative light. There are some good things worth defending here, and there are fairly logical reasons why some things just couldn't make it in.

On the other hand I'm starting to have some doubts myself, to be perfectly honest, on day 3 of owning this game. I try to keep optimistic, but change better be forthcoming. A bit of disappointment is creeping in even to me, even just because of a couple of really, really basic snafus with crew morale and crew AI that should've never made it out of beta, let alone first patch... I am still mostly positive about this game, but the clock is ticking.

[Iliaz]

I'm really struggeling at the moment weather to buy the game. I don't expect a prestine brick of excellence in coding arts, i know I'm buying an Ubi-Game after all, but what's really important to me is Vanilla playability. With SH4 the problem wasn't the bugs, at least not them alone, but the fact that even after the last patch I still couldn't play a decent streak of time without something messing up severely. To me it just wasn't any fun at all to wish and pray for mission updates. Thats why it's been dust hunting on my shelves ever since, while SH3 prospers.

My question to the fine folks that got the game early is: Is it playable? Can you play it without something breaking the game? Im fine with some bugs, mod's will come, but until then, theres time to be skipped.

[CCIP]

There are a few issues that need to be urgently addressed by a patch, as of 1.01. Not completely game-breaking for me, but enough to really irk me already. I don't think that warrants a no-buy, but I think the mileage here is also heavily dependent on prompt patching of these issues.

Stability-wise, it's very good. The problems are in a couple of broken play mechanics (morale system, some problems with detection both by crew and enemy AI) and a plethora of silly glitches that don't actually affect gameplay. All of these are theoretically fixable and should be fixed soon; the game is oh-so-close to working as advertised, but there's a thing or two preventing it from really getting there.

[jwilliams]

Thank you for an honest opinion,

I was (still am, but only just) desprate to buy this game. SH3 is seeming abit dated now, although i still enjoy playing it. i wanted sh3 (GWX) to elvolve into sh5 with some of the new features, but atm it hasn't.

I dont think its unreasonable to expect a game to be finished before release.
There must be a good reason why 4 & 5 were released unfinished.
Money, time, Ubisoft Entertainment, or dare i say it --- lazyness? but i guess we'll never know for sure. I doubt the Devs would ever say why.

And what will happen with SH6, will that even ever get made. Damn i hope so.

I never bought SH4 because it was not finished. Shame because from what I hear (read) it's not perfect but with patches and mods its surposed to be quite good now.

I truely hope that the patches and work from modders can save this game, i really do.

But I'm going to hold off buying this until this potential people are saying it has, is starting to surface.

[The General]

The majority of people will only ever experience Silent Hunter 5 1.01 because of the autopatch. I propose a new poll starting on the 5th of March. All those who voted before based on 1.00 can vote again because technically they shouldn't have had the chance to even play 1.00.

[piri_reis]

I'm trying to stay positive but first impression interface needs to be completely overhauled (it's missing many commands/high realism gadgets), at the moment very clunky.
Also getting constant CTDs, and a blue screen too. Clicked on ObsScope CTD, came to Kiel CTD 3 times, got to port, click on a bystander CTD..
This is all patched up.
Looks good but still has that yucky SH4 feel to it, shaky water shaky views.

I'm sure it'll get better as I tweak my system and the patches/mods come along.


(XP/32bit , Curo2duo 3Ghz, 4GB, 9800GTX, latest drivers)

[Dowly]

Only have played the 'tutorial' mission (currently returning to Kiel) and I must say, I like it quite a bit. Love the interiors (mouse sensitivity could be toned down a bit, tho) and what they've done with the enviroment, really feels like the cold ETO. :yeah:

[The General]

Only have played the 'tutorial' mission (currently returning to Kiel) and I must say, I like it quite a bit. Love the interiors (mouse sensitivity could be toned down a bit, tho) and what they've done with the enviroment, really feels like the cold ETO. :yeah:Glad you like it Dowly :DL Any problem with the DRM? :O:

[capthelm]

Easy guys...easy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L_kYJbcIrQ

tears wow lmao :up:

[sergei]

Still undecided at this point. I really want to like it, but am having to work at it!

As Dowly has pointed out, the environment is seriously impressive.

The UI however, is appalling. Maybe I just need to get used to it, but so far, not liking it.

Luckily no CTDs or online issues.

There seems to be functionality missing from the game that was in previous titles, eg. my WO tells me he has spotted smoke on the horizon, nice touch, but then resolutely refuses to tell me which direction it is. He is happy to tell me how his wife and kids are, however!

Haven't had a chance to check the enemy AI yet. This afternoon I'm gonna go up against 3 Brit destroyers hunting me in a single mission and see how they do.

Withholding my vote at the moment, until I have given the game a proper chance, will vote in a couple of days.

[Dowly]

Any problem with the DRM? :O:

Nope, but I'm not losing my hope yet. :haha:

[Galanti]

The UI however, is appalling. Maybe I just need to get used to it, but so far, not liking it.


So bad in fact, I use Shift-Z to keep the ridiculous mess off unless I absolutely need it.

But environmental graphics are fantastic, especially overcast and inclement weather.

[auricom]

withholding my vote until i can spend a few hours in it.. but first impressions are that the ui is horrid.. and where is my TDC? I'll have to figure out their new targetting system..

1st person thing is a really nice touch..

Hoping the modders have a hey day with this and can't wait to see what's on the table in a year or so :)

[Bilge_Rat]

I can see no reason why they should not take those achievements as the start point for SH5. By all means simplify some of it for less "hard core" players, but that doesn't justify ignoring the current state of those mods.




That, unfortunately, is an intellectual property issue. Anyone who makes a mod has a copyright in that mod. If Ubi just incorporated the mod into SH5, the mod author could theoretically sue and claim part of the profits of the game attibutable to his "mod". In theory, Ubi could get a waiver, but since most mods are a community effort and documentation is lax, it is often impossible to determine who are the authors of a mod (GWX is a good example).

For that reason, no sane developper (or at least one with competent lawyers) will go anywhere near a mod.

As anyone who has ever worked on a game will know, the first thing they make you sign is a complete waiver where you waive any rights you may have to any improvements you make to the game.

[Wilcke]

Good bell curve with the survey.

First impressions last night were; it was like dancing with a pair of really nice and expensive shoes that were too big for my feet.

Other than that it is an excellent and fresh departure from what the grognards had set as a bar for a hardcore sub simulator. I can see where Dan and the devs were going with this, at least I can guess at it pretty well.

Overall I like it, but it may not be my cup of tea at this point in time. Will definately get started on the campaign. I patrolled the St. Lawrence last night and was astonished that on an old 5 year old PC, this thing ran pretty smoothly, in driving rain, plenty of wave action. The boat was pitching and rolling all over the place.

Of course in the coming months more of the inner workings will come to light. I liked the familiar structure from SH4. I am adding the fine German/ DBR/BBC Radio mod for tonights foray.

Its a good thing!

[Ziggy]

My Little First Impressions Review, short and sweet. I am on 100% realism.

Everyone else Gripe. Interface/UI is not intuitive and down right frustrating. Thing's are missing. I don't necessarily demand it the way it use to be but when I cant figure out how to turn without looking it up, there is something wrong.

Shootin Stuff: I could hit the Polish Ships(hurt a little bit being Polish), torpedo went where I wanted them to go(which didn't always happen in SH4 for me so I am happy about that). I am just worried about when I am up against ships that move. I get this feeling I will be leading with my periscope and not the TDC.
I LOVE THE DECK CANNON. I love it, love it love it. Only problem is I don't know how to releave them, the crew sat on deck, even after I came into port. Poor guys hadn't moved in 2 days.

Overall things like Campaign, subdocks, walking around inside the ship. I just love it so far. So far has really made me feel like a captain. I was frustrated and mad trying to figure stuff out, but the trip back to Kiel, walking around up top, actually having to pay attention to not get rammed by other vessels in the harbor. I followed a KM DD into port, we were side by side. I don't know everything just felt right.

Pretty much what everyone has said but it makes more sense when you actually play it you see what they mean. They managed to mess up the main parts of the game but got all the little things right. Other than the big problems it really has the feel of an A title and not some little side burner project thrown together for a niche market.

[Hanomag]

Im still waiting to buy not sure if my PC can run the thing anyways....

I can only say SH3 GWX is working as intended!!! :arrgh!:

AND NO ..I DIDNT VOTE! :salute:

[grilldor]

I cant play this game without it locking up every 5 minutes... Between those it runs great...

[flag4]

Im still waiting to buy not sure if my PC can run the thing anyways....

I can only say SH3 GWX is working as intended!!! :arrgh!:

AND NO ..I DIDNT VOTE! :salute:


i have read somewhere that if your machine can run sh4 you will be able to run sh5 but a lower level of detail - which, if i choose to buy sh5 will be good for me. i have voted but can't remember how !!!:rotfl2:

and like you Hanomag, sh3 +gwx is working well and wonderful for me. and to think i got myself into such a steam about sh5 - whether to buy or not and the whole drm thing. i have not bought it and at the moment i am glad i have not. i reckon it will take 6-12 months for it all to settle down, then i will visit e-bay and scoup up someones unwanted copy at a reasonable price.

just had a look at amazon and it has gone down from 34.99 to 26.99 - is this an omen?

what ever happens to sh5 i whish it well - coz it's all we got for the next installement.

Bon Voyage...

...i'm off to the east coast of england - just heard about a convoy :sunny:

[Samu*]

Is there any point to even play the campaing if things truly are so bad that after you load a savegame crew morale will be at 0, if you keep timeacceleration on you'll end up dead, destroyers wont depthcharge you etc? Or is these examples still an issue after patch 1.01? :dead:

[alx100]

I have bought SH5 which arrived yesterday but so far have not installed it after reading so many posts of issues and bugs with it.

I think i may wait for a further patch to be released by Ubi before starting off with it, as at the moment, it seems abit incomplete, (though the graphics from the screenshots look excellent).

[FIREWALL]

Just a headsup...

I tested it on a rig with ...

Intel P4 3.0 hyperthread
2 GB DDR ram
7600GT 512mb
XP Pro SP2

Set SH5 Graphics at medium and it played without a hitch.

btw all compadibility boxes checked green

[Nafod81]

I bought it. Can't play more than 15 minutes of a mission after the tutorial though.

DOing some needed cleaning of my PC in the meantime, will give it another go until tonight.

Holding off judgement until I've cleared all possible problems on my end.

[Arclight]

Been playing for a bit and I like it.

Buggy, sure, but mainly in the graphics. Gameplay works out fine.

Nice improvements, ship sinking behaviour for example, came across AI sub in canal, lot's of AI surface ships there as well, detailed harbours, etc.

Needs some polish (well, quite a bit), but that I blame on Ubi and too tight of a deadline. Lot's of love went into from the devs. Nice descriptions, little trivia during loads, historic details into the campaign, etc.

Personally I have no problem with the interface or controls, though it is a big switch from SH3/4.

All in all, it's playable out of the box, something that couldn't be said for at least SH4 (was late to the party for SH3). Though I'd like to note I'm only just through tutorial and into 1st patrol, having made contact with unescorted convoy.

For what it lacks, there's a ton of potential to make up for it, and I'm sure the devs will be ironing out some niggles soon enough. Once the modders go to work on this, I believe it will quickly surpass even the mighty GWX (no disrepect intended).

[sergei]

i have read somewhere that if your machine can run sh4 you will be able to run sh5 but a lower level of detail

Yep, my experience exactly.
I can run SH4 with TMO at 1680x1050 with all the nice bells and whistles switched on.
I can run SH5 at 1680x1050 with most bells and whistles switched off, except hi res textures and environments. Shadows seem to be the main FPS killer. Turning them completely off really maxed my FPS.

As you have been told, if you can run Sh4 without struggling, you can probably run this.

[CCIP]

Actually there is a pretty negligible difference for me between SHIV and SHV performance. At least for my ATI card, it's very well optimized.

[Gato76]

I got the game today,and i been playing for a few hours,so far i don't like it,my main concern was the DMR, is been a none issue so far,the interface is a mess,it will take time for me to get use to it.My main problem is the TDC,what happen to it,there is no tdc,how u setup a quick shot ? the tdc in Sh4 in my opinion was great,you setup a salvo in seconds,measure the distant ,angle of bow and estimate the speed and shoot fast and fun to play with,even the torp holes on the ships look better in sh4,at least the graphics are better than the previous games. :hmmm: oh btw did they recycle the music from Sh4?

[Nafod81]

Would vote it as good, but could use improvement.

I really like how they fixed auto TDC. Manual TDC was too tedious for me, but the auto calc in III and IV was super easy. I can no longer hit targets from ridiculously bad angles and ranges, but a proper attack positioning and relatively short range is easy enough.

No morale bug here. C02 levels decrease on the surface as well. Also would like to report I attacked a convoy in the British Coastal Waters area outside Aberdeen and the escorts gave chase.

Control's definitely require some getting used to, and I'd really like #1 A compass to steer my boat, and a viable return to course option (I can't for the life of me get the double click to work).

For Nvidia users I strongly suggest rolling back to driver 9621, as 9675 caused massive problems with my game.

[Arclight]

Would vote it as good, but could use improvement.
Agreed. Needs polish, but playable out-of-the-box.

Control's definitely require some getting used to, and I'd really like #1 A compass to steer my boat, and a viable return to course option (I can't for the life of me get the double click to work).
That's probably the biggest switch people will need to make, it's a whole new way to control the game.

Compass is definitely missed, though I manage just fine without. Double-click for RTC doesn't work for me either. :hmmm: