The whole game = epic fail?

[urfisch]

As there are the first ingame vids from the final release(http://www.marinesims.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=11936&sid=36d7b98e40faddbbd3a79a4f04a5431b) (http://www.marinesims.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=11936&sid=36d7b98e40faddbbd3a79a4f04a5431b%29...i) i truly must admit, i am really frustrated. There are so many things, that need to be fixed...

- glitches on mass...when speaking with crew members
- an 1 WO, who is hanging on the UZO all the time
- a watch crew in storm without the right clothes
- a watch crew without binoculars(!)
- nothing happens during ALARM
- nothing happens if you order "battle stations"
- a flotille chief, whos hanging in the bunker
- watch crew reporting ghost contacts...
- "diving" watch crew in storm
- no way to get onto the boat in the bunker
- animations more bad than in older games
- nothing happens in the engine room, when diving
- far to sterile boat interior
- crew behavior all time the same....

etc...

WTF

as much the graphics make me feel good, as much the vids of the final make me sad...

:nope:

seems, as if the pessimistic people will be true...the game is far from finished.

[ddrgn]

As there are the first ingame vids from the final release(http://www.marinesims.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=11936&sid=36d7b98e40faddbbd3a79a4f04a5431b) (http://www.marinesims.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=11936&sid=36d7b98e40faddbbd3a79a4f04a5431b%29...i) i truly must admit, i am really frustrated. There are so many things, that need to be fixed...

- glitches on mass...when speaking with crew members
- an 1 WO, who is hanging on the UZO all the time
- a watch crew in storm without the right clothes
- a watch crew without binoculars(!)
- nothing happens during ALARM
- nothing happens if you order "battle stations"
- a flotille chief, whos hanging in the bunker
- no way to get onto the boat in the bunker
- animations more bad than in older games
- nothing happens in the engine room, when diving

etc...

WTF

as much the graphics make me feel good, as much the vids of the final make me sad...

:nope:

seems, as if the pessimistic people will be true...the game is far from finished.


Crash dive works, battlestatsions works. The rest is just esthetics. I played over 8 hours of LAN lastnight, no crashes and no major issues to report other than the external cam still works in 100% realism

[THE_MASK]

A few things wrong until the patches and mods , then best game ever .

[Méo]

seems, as if the pessimistic people will be true...the game is far from finished.

I am currently trying it, I can tell you (only very first impression), although it has a different approach than SH3, I remember the last time I installed SH3 vanilla and from what I see so far, it seems like we got a much higher quality game.

[ParaB]

IMO far too early to come to a fair assessment. There are indeed things that don't look too impressive, like the crew behaviour during alarm or when switching off the diesels, but a lot of your points are IMO superficial at best. Judging a game by a handful of (pre-release) videos simply doesn't make a lot of sense.

Wait another week until the 1st reviews will start to come up.

[malkuth74]

Everything you mention has to do with what you see in the crew and inside the boat.

But what about the rest of the game, does it work? The simulation part. I can understand your frustration with the animations and stuff. But SHV took a new direction with being inside the boat. But if the simulation part is still just as good as SHIII then I can look past some of those things.

[AVGWarhawk]

Epic fail? Once again the developers delivered a very nice game. One that is open to modding like no other before. Even if this was completely dead nuts right on, no doubt, it is all there someone would mod something because it was "not right". It is a epic canvas from the looks of it. A canvas for the ground work of a very good simulation. Think positive men! Just the video alone I have seen is excellent. It needs some work but didn't the all? :03:

[Gunnodayak]

Most people here wanted "eye-candy", they have that and nothing more! Their desire is granted ... You can't accuse UBI for that. And about permanent internet connection required as well, a lot of us here don't have a problem with that. So UBI is giving us what "we" wanted, an iron fist in a velvet glove. The "fist" being the bugs, glitches, lack of simulation, internet connection, and the |velvet glove" being the "eye-candy" graphics and some pathetic pseudo RPG elements.

[TH0R]

Words EPIC + FAIL get more and more annoying every time someone putts them together...

Anyway, back to the thread:

- a watch crew in storm without the right clothes
- a flotille chief, whos hanging in the bunker
- "diving" watch crew in storm
- no way to get onto the boat in the bunker
- animations more bad than in older games
- nothing happens in the engine room, when diving
- far to sterile boat interior
- crew behavior all time the same....

- are you sure? In SH4 they only wore the right clothes during rain, not bad weather
- why wouldn't he? he isn't tied to the desk, and it is nice to be able to talk to someone in charge for a change, no matter how they simulated this in game
- it is the same engine as in previous 2 titles, so what is new??
- I don't mind, the bunker is a location where players spends what - 1-2% of the patrol time?
- I disagree, maybe out of sync with the instruments / captain, but certainly not worse
- what videos were you watching?
- not of the importance, and would be a waste of development time = impossible to do it to the level of quality as the moding community can
- same as previous

[Factor]

Remember SH4 when it was released? After a few patches, some spit and polish from the mods, i am sure this title will be awesome! Time will tell.

[Heretic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8nvQ6np_C0&feature=related

[dcb]

Rather than graphic glitches and quirks, I'd be far more concerned about serious gameplay drawbacks, like the impossibility to set the desired course, the odd periscope interface etc. These suit far better the definition of a failure than - say - clipping crewmen or sterile boat interior.
Just my $0.02.

[EgoApocalypse]

A few things wrong until the patches and mods , then best game ever .


agreed:salute:

Well one of the best..................

[piri_reis]

:down: What a thread...
Do you even have the game urfisch?
Maybe you should give your mind a break from thinking about SH5 all the time.
It sure has bugs and other missing features, but given time, it has the potential to rival SH3+mods (or SH4+mods)

[Gunnodayak]

:down: What a thread...
Do you even have the game urfisch?
Maybe you should give your mind a break from thinking about SH5 all the time.
It sure has bugs and other missing features, but given time, it has the potential to rival SH3+mods (or SH4+mods)
On the contrary, one of the best and frankly spoken threads from this SH5 frenzy forum ...

[Méo]

:down: What a thread...
Do you even have the game urfisch?
Maybe you should give your mind a break from thinking about SH5 all the time.
It sure has bugs and other missing features, but given time, it has the potential to rival SH3+mods (or SH4+mods)

Agreed.

Although I find it difficult to test the game, my computer really needs an upgrade!

[TH0R]

:down: What a thread...
Do you even have the game urfisch?
Maybe you should give your mind a break from thinking about SH5 all the time.
It sure has bugs and other missing features, but given time, it has the potential to rival SH3+mods (or SH4+mods)

Well said!

[urfisch]

i didnt test it and from what ive seen so far...i dont wanna test it. graphics is not all a game needs, to fit my needs. but if there are major bugs...i cant ignore them. and i dont want to have a game, which was thrown on the market, which is not even 90% finished.

fine tuning from modders is one thing...to make the game, what it was meant to be, is another.

and i know, the thread was titled with a provoking type of manner...but this is what it meant to be.

[Sailor Steve]

Well, there's always Aces Of The Deep.:sunny:

[Sone7]

- a flotille chief, whos hanging in the bunker

Is that really important? :O:
The whole bunker thing is just an eye-candy, "cool feature", used instead of simple menus. I don't mind what's in there, and what's not.
A few years ago noone would even bother as it's totally not important from the gameplay point of view. And let it stay that way ;)

[Safe-Keeper]

:down: What a thread...
Do you even have the game urfisch?
Maybe you should give your mind a break from thinking about SH5 all the time.
It sure has bugs and other missing features, but given time, it has the potential to rival SH3+mods (or SH4+mods)
Agree with this... urfisch, buddy, I can tell you're disappointed and feel betrayed, but you really should find a better way to vent it than creating this kind of threads. It really isn't helping in any way.

[piri_reis]

i didnt test it and from what ive seen so far...i dont wanna test it. graphics is not all a game needs, to fit my needs. but if there are major bugs...i cant ignore them. and i dont want to have a game, which was thrown on the market, which is not even 90% finished.

Older SH titles were also unfinished at first release. Took some time but they had multiple patches. Plus great modders did things that were thought to be impossible. (And they are still doing it! Just look at the new animated diesels and new compartments released by FM for SH3, today!)

Think of SH5 as a newborn child. Don't judge the child before it has even took its first steps, there is still much to work on, much to learn, much to patch and mod. :03:

[malkuth74]

wait does he have the game or not? I thought he had the game and was telling us about what he seen?

[Onkel Neal]

Do you think, maybe, we could amend your topic title, so it doesn't sound quite so blown out of proportion? Epic fail? Sheesh.



As there are the first ingame vids from the final release(http://www.marinesims.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=11936&sid=36d7b98e40faddbbd3a79a4f04a5431b) (http://www.marinesims.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=11936&sid=36d7b98e40faddbbd3a79a4f04a5431b%29...i) i truly must admit, i am really frustrated. There are so many things, that need to be fixed...

- glitches on mass...when speaking with crew members
- an 1 WO, who is hanging on the UZO all the time
- a watch crew in storm without the right clothes
- a watch crew without binoculars(!)
- nothing happens during ALARM
- nothing happens if you order "battle stations"
- a flotille chief, whos hanging in the bunker
- watch crew reporting ghost contacts...
- "diving" watch crew in storm
- no way to get onto the boat in the bunker
- animations more bad than in older games
- nothing happens in the engine room, when diving
- far to sterile boat interior
- crew behavior all time the same....

etc...

WTF

as much the graphics make me feel good, as much the vids of the final make me sad...

:nope:

seems, as if the pessimistic people will be true...the game is far from finished.

[Georg_Unterberg]

I can understand urfisch's anger, but all these "immersion killers" are a sure target for our modders - and they will do a much better job there than the developers.

I only hope that the developers did a good job on the more important game aspects, only a few to mention:

- A working manual TDC where torpedoes go where they should go (remember SH4 first version catastrophe)

- Realistic boat behaviour in normal and rough sea (ok this seems to be wrong - must be modded)

- Realistic weather and weather changes!

- Realistic enemies and enemy capabilities - I don't want unescorted convoys in 1941 - and neither I want single merchants who have night-vision goggles and can hit you with deadly accuracy at 5nm

- A good damage management and realistic repair times (yeah)

- A good crew management (Do we have to change personal manually or automatic or is the crew on station 24/7 ??)

[MRV]

Well especially that ALARM-thing war another advertisement-lie....I remember a trailer with crew running through the boat...

[Sailor Steve]

There are also patches to come, so we need to see what they change and fix with those before passing judgement.

A good crew management (Do we have to change personal manually or automatic or is the crew on station 24/7 ??)
Oooh, I never thought of that one. SH4 was so good in that department.

But SH5? From what I've seen so far, I have to ask: Is there any other crew at all? Is it manual or automatic, or no rotation at all?

[oscar19681]

Well especially that ALARM-thing war another advertisement-lie....I remember a trailer with crew running through the boat...

Surely you didnt think they ran because of the ALARM? they played sh-5 and found out about DRM , were so shocked and dicided to make a run for it!! :haha:

[Stormfly]

As there are the first ingame vids from the final release(http://www.marinesims.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=11936&sid=36d7b98e40faddbbd3a79a4f04a5431b) (http://www.marinesims.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=11936&sid=36d7b98e40faddbbd3a79a4f04a5431b%29...i) i truly must admit, i am really frustrated. There are so many things, that need to be fixed...

- glitches on mass...when speaking with crew members
- an 1 WO, who is hanging on the UZO all the time
- a watch crew in storm without the right clothes
- a watch crew without binoculars(!)
- nothing happens during ALARM
- nothing happens if you order "battle stations"
- a flotille chief, whos hanging in the bunker
- watch crew reporting ghost contacts...
- "diving" watch crew in storm
- no way to get onto the boat in the bunker
- animations more bad than in older games
- nothing happens in the engine room, when diving
- far to sterile boat interior
- crew behavior all time the same....

etc...

WTF

as much the graphics make me feel good, as much the vids of the final make me sad...

:nope:

seems, as if the pessimistic people will be true...the game is far from finished.

Hi urfisch

i agree, you´re right...

from what i saw from the last videos regarding your points, there is much to fix in the game. What i cant understand is, that such important points like missing crew behavior in alarm conditions or battlestations without any actions like running crew to the bow copartments and so on, are allowed to make it in the final game "acting" as big immersion killers...

With that first concept art movie, UBI let us expect that we will have those scenes ?

We have 2010, and this title is also declared to be an action sim or something... so where is the action than ?

..."ring ring my number" and nothing happens ? is that a alarm dive or just a phone call without response ?

guys, if nobody is complaining, there is nothing to fix or ? :yeah:

[longam]

Us beta testers (first buyers) will need to make a good list of glitches we find so the devs can produce some good patches for the game. Then we can mod her up to standards we prefer. :03:

[Sailor Steve]

There is a thread set up for this already.

[McHibbins]

A few things wrong until the patches and mods , then best game ever .

Same post here. Sailor Steve knows what i mean. Still wondering why so many of you AND some modders still believe that, if you´re not willing to buy it :hmmm:

Gutteds thread isn´t so different from urfischs

[Sailor Steve]

The only reason I'm not willing to buy it is "The Thing". Once that is gone I'm all in, and always have been.

If it never goes, I guess I'll have to watch from the sidelines.

[Stormfly]

...if UBI decides to not fix the missing alarm animations and crew behavior, do you guys realy think it would be so easy to mod that, i wont expect that in the next future :yawn:

[urfisch]

"epic fail" is meant to describe the whole progress of this game, including the final release.

...and i may see this game as a young born child...but i do not accept this type of policy from the publishers and you all just feeling fine with it. so i dropped this kind of "emotional" discussion. i want to know, what you all are thinking about the game, now some people already have it - and are able to let us have a deeper look onto it. and what we see is not, what we expected, right?

;)

dont take my words to personal...but you must admit, they have a true core.

:know:

[jwilliams]

Hence why Ubi didnt allow anyone to do a full review before release.

You've all done exactly as Ubi had hoped, bought the game before it gets low scores from reviews.

so did Ubi epic fail? not on the PR side, by the looks of it. LOL

[gutted]

Same post here. Sailor Steve knows what i mean. Still wondering why so many of you AND some modders still believe that, if you´re not willing to buy it :hmmm:

Gutteds thread isn´t so different from urfischs

I wouldn't call it an epic fail. There's still a sub sim in there somewhere.

Just needs alittle more loving. Mostly in the periscope.

[theluckyone17]

SH3 and SH4 was rough at release, too.

Will it ever be perfect? Nope... not until I've got a full field-of-view head mounted display, motion platform, and sea salt mist/bucket machine.

I've got faith that the modders will take SH5 and make it into something beautiful.

[longam]

GreatgoogillyMoo of Epic Failure proportion batman.

Wow, never heard so many cliche internet repetition in one forum before. Getting a good laugh at the drama. :haha:

[malkuth74]

Thought neal renamed this thread. Whats going on. LOL.

[Reece]

I'm having a good laugh!!:har: SHIII now has new compartments, animated engine room etc, new Sub Pens, and many new mods on the go!:O:
It is disappointing though that UBI still hasn't learnt after all this time, repeating a lot of the old mistakes!! IMO it doesn't look much different than SH4, only with added OSP, less U-boat types and ending in 43!!:down:

[Onkel Neal]

Thought neal renamed this thread. Whats going on. LOL.

I felt guilty and changed it back. Plus, like Longam, I like the drama. :O:

[Méo]

IMO it doesn't look much different than SH4, only with added OSP, less U-boat types and ending in 43!!:down:

...and Where's that dead horse?

My turn! My turn!!

[Reece]

...and Where's that dead horse?

My turn! My turn!!I'm already beating it!!:yep: I love it!!:salute:

[brandtryan]

Software is never 100% complete, or finished. It is "released".

A similar idea from my previous life as a fiction writer (but could apply, I think, to any creative endeavor):

A novel is never truly finished by an author; it is simply abandoned.

[jazman]

Is that really important? :O:
The whole bunker thing is just an eye-candy, "cool feature", used instead of simple menus. I don't mind what's in there, and what's not.
A few years ago noone would even bother as it's totally not important from the gameplay point of view. And let it stay that way ;)

I don't know... All that time spent coding eye-candy, and fundamental problems remain always unresolved. Sub on rails... Can't abandon ship...

[FIREWALL]

Only a handfull of us have the game now. How can anyone play the game enough and post here at the same time is beyond me.

The learning curve to me isn't that easy.

It didn't come with a printed manual or a keycard.

So figuring things out is time consuming.

I for one am not going to waste my time posting screenshots to hear how crappy they are.

[Schunken]

I maybe be not so harsh because I be familar with such glitches....

Just look the microsoft flight simulator series:

Base game FSX for 50 EUR with really easy to flight aircrafts (for the masses) and very basic AI traffic and airports....

And than it beginns:

PDMG 747-400 and MD-11 100 EUR
3rd party-Developers Airport 20-40 EUR.
Weather tools (like aktive sky) 50 EUR
and so on and so on....
I think I spend 1.000-1.500 bucks in my FS career.... :damn:

On the other hand there are for sure tonns of freeware, some of them really proffesional done....

We are really be in a niche with our Sub-Sims... :zzz:

Andreas

[JScones]

EPIC FAIL? Geez, I thought I was critical! If the game had critical crashes, that might warrant such a dramatic tag. But at the moment all I am seeing is a game that inherits the same design flaws as its predecessors plus adds a few more design flaws to reflect the new content. Extremely disappointing, yes, but not what I'd call an EPIC FAIL.

Granted I haven't read every post made today, but from what I have read, a lot of the "bugs" are:

1. posted by people still finding their way around the game and have yet to learn how to properly do the things that they claim are bugs (the poor manual doesn't help either).

2. seemingly innoculous - minor inconveniences that will surely be corrected by modders.

I'm sure there's some howlers there (sub-on-rails falls under the inherent design flaw category) and some howlers waiting to be discovered, but I haven't yet found anything that repeatedly breaks the game. Happy to be proven wrong though.

[ddrgn]

EPIC FAIL? Geez, I thought I was critical! If the game had critical crashes, that might warrant such a dramatic tag. But at the moment all I am seeing is a game that inherits the same design flaws as its predecessors plus adds a few more design flaws to reflect the new content. Extremely disappointing, yes, but not what I'd call an EPIC FAIL.

Granted I haven't read every post made today, but from what I have read, a lot of the "bugs" are:

1. posted by people still finding their way around the game and have yet to learn how to properly do the things that they claim are bugs (the poor manual doesn't help either).

2. seemingly innoculous - minor inconveniences that will surely be corrected by modders.

I'm sure there's some howlers there (sub-on-rails falls under the inherent design flaw category) and some howlers waiting to be discovered, but I haven't yet found anything that repeatedly breaks the game. Happy to be proven wrong though.

Hehe GME works fine ;]

[SubV]

After reading some reviews and bug reports from users who already bought the game, I've got an impression that SH5 is a failure in many ways.

I think that most of us expected SH5 to be a modern version of SH3, with updated graphics, better interface and no major bugs.

Damn you, Ubisoft [Romania]. You never learned anything from your mistakes.

:nope:

[karamazovnew]

I think that most of us expected SH5 to be a modern version of SH3, with updated graphics, better interface and no major bugs.

Damn you, Ubisoft [Romania]. You never learned anything from your mistakes.
:nope:

No major bugs yet. Compared with the Save-game fiasco of SH3 and the legendary A key of SH4, that's a big plus.
From what I see, SH5 really IS a modern version of SH3. It has the same flaws :haha:. What did you expect? SH5=SH3+GWX+OLC+othermods? The only minuses (apart from 43 and type 7 only) so far are the values for ships in the recognition manual (easy to mod in) and the depth under keel.

The modding possibilities and improved graphics AND free-roam capability totally outweigh the POS thing.

What we SHOULD do, instead of bashing the game, is spam the devs for badly needed EASY features for the patches. :salute:

[urfisch]

you are right. we not should bash the game...but set up some intense discussion about the actual state and how this might be changed instantly!!! nothing else was intended by me with this provoking thread title...

:know:

[mookiemookie]

and the legendary A key of SH4, That was my "quit to desktop" hotkey. It was a FEATURE, not a bug! :yeah:

[makman94]

if the engine of the game works ok then all other things is a matter of time to be 'fixed'
BUT the main question is this : is this a simulation engine? is anything modeled in game's engine ? physics...AI behaviour (random....? ''clever''...?)....eh...xm...manual targeting (with no contacts on map), properly...working sensors ....and what about weather ? is now working ?
if all these are not modelled at all or correct in game's engine...don't ever expect to see it as a sub simulation ( this doesn't mean that any of the previous versions was ever a sub simulation)