View Full Version : Are you buying SHV
Sailor Steve
02-27-10, 12:13 PM
At least two major threads on this subject already, and one of them has a poll.
This makes three.
Or four.
Not voting again, thank you.
I cannot resist..
Nothing to defend myself.
As I realise how bad the OSP idea is, I just still hope they will throw it away after a while...
Iron Budokan
02-27-10, 12:17 PM
No.
OakGroove
02-27-10, 12:27 PM
Not.
Schultzy
02-27-10, 12:35 PM
As soon as perma-net is no longer requred, I'll be donning the white cap.
Rockin Robbins
02-27-10, 12:35 PM
Definitely not buying. My computer is my computer and will remain my computer if I have to write all my own software. Even the SecuRom in the Direct 2 Drive SH4UBM is invasive beyond its rights and all it does is scan your running processes for a list of Sony's prohibited software, including the completely benign and innocent Microsoft Process Explorer, just because it was written by the man who exposed Sony's infamous rootkit, costing Sony a huge sum of money.
So what does Ubi do? It jumps completely over to the dark side, confirming what we already knew. Ubi does not respect its customers. In fact, they don't have any customers, only criminals who deserve to be punished.
No thanks, Ubi. I live in a world of limitless possibilities, not in a concentration camp. Lacking the ability to enforce your concentration camp, you are destined to be its only occupant, except for those defrauded by the assumption that they are buying some kind of a fun game. God help them. But you, Ubi, are beyond even His help if you don't buy a couple of vowels. Looks like Sony and Apple have a new partner in the Evil Empire. Rest in pieces, all of you. Not one penny for the Evil Empire.:nope:
From this (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162554) thread:
Can't figure out how to assign crew to stations, eg at one point deck gun is manned, can't see yet how to unman gun. ok, use watch officer interface to order to man deck gun or aa gun, but can't see still how to unman them.
...
Minimap a bit annoying, seems to pop up now and then, probably a system to it, but would ditch it.
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Where is depth under keel? Time of day (clock)? ok clock is O. Just local time or GMT? Where is compass or course indicator? Date? Have to go to Cap's log it seems.
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Where is resume course?
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where is close/open tube?
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Occasional auto-save only takes a second, but is a bit of a nuisance. Can it be turned off?
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Water looks terrific. Ditto boat bow wave, wake, exhaust.
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Map is excellent. But no KM grid refs?
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Recharging batteries is automatic? Can't deliberately not recharge if preferred?
No, I'm definitely not buying it.
Btw, none of the above was mentioned by Neal in his preview.
Wraithe
02-27-10, 12:46 PM
Definitely not buying. My computer is my computer and will remain my computer if I have to write all my own software. Even the SecuRom in the Direct 2 Drive SH4UBM is invasive beyond its rights and all it does is scan your running processes for a list of Sony's prohibited software, including the completely benign and innocent Microsoft Process Explorer, just because it was written by the man who exposed Sony's infamous rootkit, costing Sony a huge sum of money.
So what does Ubi do? It jumps completely over to the dark side, confirming what we already knew. Ubi does not respect its customers. In fact, they don't have any customers, only criminals who deserve to be punished.
No thanks, Ubi. I live in a world of limitless possibilities, not in a concentration camp. Lacking the ability to enforce your concentration camp, you are destined to be its only occupant, except for those defrauded by the assumption that they are buying some kind of a fun game. God help them. But you, Ubi, are beyond even His help if you don't buy a couple of vowels. Looks like Sony and Apple have a new partner in the Evil Empire. Rest in pieces, all of you. Not one penny for the Evil Empire.:nope:
this
Never will I buy it.
And heaven help all those who will go and blindly buy this thing because of "OOhhhhhh shiny graphics".
Looks like we're gonna lose a couple of members here (SH5 forum) for the next days/weeks/years. :hmmm:
Never will I buy it.
And heaven help all those who will go and blindly buy this thing because of "OOhhhhhh shiny graphics".
Yeah! and I haven't help those who are continuously jumping to conclusions and base their opinions on conjectures rather than wait for a real review before making a decision. :shifty:
I honestly haven't decided yet. Elements of it I've warmed towards, others I've cooled on. I've got a hot campaign in War in The Pacific going on just now, plus a good game of Stalker:COP. I certainly won't be buying it on release day, anyway, not unless I'm actually walking past a shop with 35 quid in my pocket and see it through the window.
If I do buy it it'll probably be once a couple of patches have come out. I simply cannot be bothered participating in the release day bug-fest once again.
Onkel Neal
02-27-10, 02:21 PM
From this (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162554) thread:
No, I'm definitely not buying it.
Btw, none of the above was mentioned by Neal in his preview.
That's because it was not a review of the final game. Preview can't cover everything.
Jimbuna
02-27-10, 03:05 PM
At least two major threads on this subject already, and one of them has a poll.
This makes three.
Or four.
Not voting again, thank you.
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Asakura
02-27-10, 03:14 PM
*vote*
I'll get my hands on SHV after a few weeks. I own quite a lot Ubisoft games and got to know the release version never comes bugfree. After a couple of weeks - maybe after the first patch(es) - I'll go and buy it. But not instantly on day of release. :nope:
Athlonic
02-27-10, 04:30 PM
Will I buy it ?
Hell .... yeah !
I dont agree with this OSP DRM thingy but this "Das boot style" of Silent Hunter is a must buy for me.
I would prefer send my 50 € directly to UBIsoft Romania guys but I can't ^^
I hope this DRM will be history after a few updates so we can play offline and anywhere on notebooks.
And I hope that SH V sells well in spite of OSP, if not I am afraid that there will never be a SH VI.
jwilliams
02-27-10, 04:46 PM
I will not be buying SH5.
The only reason that I am not, is for the fact that OSP seems to be alot worse than we (me anyway) thought it would be.
Unable to save the game if your connection goes down, c'mon ubisoft how stupid of an idea is that. Atleast put the option to save if connection is lost.
If the reviews are good and ubi fix the not able to save problem (if connection is lost), then maybe I'll buy it (maybe because I want to know more about how OSP hijacks your connection).
I'll buy it once there's a crack to remove the online crap.
FritzRommel
02-27-10, 05:56 PM
I will also buy it when there is a crack, which shouldn't take that long if the game turns out to be popular.
FIREWALL
02-27-10, 05:56 PM
Where is the option on this poll to vote...
Has this topic been beaten to Death. :-?
GREY WOLF 3
02-27-10, 06:14 PM
No NO NO I will not be buying SH5.
JScones
02-27-10, 06:23 PM
Hmmm, let me check the last three or so polls that I voted in recently that asked the same question...
msalama
02-27-10, 06:42 PM
Simple question.
As things stand ATM, and taken UBI's general piggery into account, no.
theluckyone17
02-27-10, 06:51 PM
I've said it before. I doubt it'll be the last time I'll say it.
I want SH5. No... I *WANT* SH5.
It's a want, though. Not a need. That desire isn't enough to overcome my revulsion of OSP, though. I will not be purchasing SH5 or any other Ubisoft product until OSP is removed.
I've drawn the line, Ubisoft, and I will not be stepping over it. I will not raise the flag until my condition is met. What say you?
Seafireliv
02-27-10, 08:12 PM
No, no and thrice no.
Until the DRM is removed.
To everyone saying "i've voted about this before" I wanted a poll that would have exactly what I want answered.
Jimbuna
02-28-10, 08:53 AM
Where is the option on this poll to vote...
Has this topic been beaten to Death. :-?
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Dronston
02-28-10, 09:14 AM
Don't like the DRM and OSP stuff but I can kid myself all I want, I know I want the game, finally having a real U-Boot is to strong for me...and I already skipped SH4. After 5 years it's time for something new, thanks again to the GWX team and all modders to keep it interesting all this time.
So...just now I pre-ordered SH5.
Redbear
02-28-10, 09:35 AM
Not with a requirement to be logged on to play.
Ducimus
02-28-10, 10:31 AM
Definitely not buying. My computer is my computer and will remain my computer if I have to write all my own software. Even the SecuRom in the Direct 2 Drive SH4UBM is invasive beyond its rights and all it does is scan your running processes for a list of Sony's prohibited software, including the completely benign and innocent Microsoft Process Explorer, just because it was written by the man who exposed Sony's infamous rootkit, costing Sony a huge sum of money.
So what does Ubi do? It jumps completely over to the dark side, confirming what we already knew. Ubi does not respect its customers. In fact, they don't have any customers, only criminals who deserve to be punished.
No thanks, Ubi. I live in a world of limitless possibilities, not in a concentration camp. Lacking the ability to enforce your concentration camp, you are destined to be its only occupant, except for those defrauded by the assumption that they are buying some kind of a fun game. God help them. But you, Ubi, are beyond even His help if you don't buy a couple of vowels. Looks like Sony and Apple have a new partner in the Evil Empire. Rest in pieces, all of you. Not one penny for the Evil Empire.:nope:
Incase some just people don't get it, and where RR is coming from, read these:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1282259&postcount=105
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1282267&postcount=107
I will never buy ANY game that does this schitt. Ubisoft can go to hell.
Incase some just people don't get it, and where RR is coming from, read these:
Ok, maybe it doesn't work properly, but I don't get what is the comparison with concentration camp and Evil Empire.
Quote From JU_88
Nope, unfortunatley that is not the case - you own a license to use it as prescribed by the publisher and nothing more. What do think the license agreement is all about?
Hell the only way you can 'own' your software is to write it yourself.
jwilliams
02-28-10, 10:49 AM
Ok, maybe it doesn't work properly, but I don't get what is the comparison with concentration camp and Evil Empire.
Quote From JU_88
Oh i beleave its working as intended.....
Locks the connection settings so it cant be modded to use a virtual server. hosted on the users own machine.
In fact, they don't have any customers, only criminals who deserve to be punished.
In fact???
In fact will you ever go again in any store? or even in a gas station?, cuz they are ''watching'' you with cameras... thus ''treating'' you as a ''criminal'' as well. :shifty:
i voted dont know.
Because of DRM but i could live up with this i think.
And because UNLIKE in SH3, in SH5 u cant get to TDC in cunning tower !!!
Talking SH5 >SH3, UBI lied that why i dunno if i buy it.
Einsman
02-28-10, 10:59 AM
No.
OakGroove
02-28-10, 11:02 AM
but I don't get what is the comparison with concentration camp and Evil Empire.
It´s never too late to renounce the dark side, Meo. Or is it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eZBevXohCI
It´s never too late to renounce the dark side, Meo. Or is it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eZBevXohCI
Sorry... can't resist... the temptation...:wah:
codmander
02-28-10, 11:24 AM
not right away... I have a feelin sh5 will be 9$ pretty quick we'll see after patchs//mods how she fairs
Ducimus
02-28-10, 12:10 PM
Ok, maybe it doesn't work properly,
But most likely, its working as designed. Ubisoft can go to hell. I won't buy from them again so long as they're using this draconian BS. There ARE other games publishers.
Greentimbers
02-28-10, 12:54 PM
S!
After reading this forum for the last couple of days I have changed my mind about SH5. I have requested a refund for my preorder from the UBI store.:cry:
Looking at all of the great screen shots etc makes this all that much harder to do. :wah:
The more I think about the DRM , the more I am increasingly uncomfortable with this method (used by more and more games it would seem) of protection.
And along with no SH5, I will also be removing ROF from my PC.
I will continue to play both SH3 and 4:)
I am just no longer willing to accept the intrusion, (and possible data collection), that goes with these type of tethered games.
:salute:
LiveGoat
02-28-10, 01:26 PM
The difference is that when I leave the store with the product in my hands they stop watching me. Why? Because the product is now mine.
In fact???
In fact will you ever go again in any store? or even in a gas station?, cuz they are ''watching'' you with cameras... thus ''treating'' you as a ''criminal'' as well. :shifty:
No PC to run it, no normal copy protection, no binoculars on the watch crew, no patches / mods out yet. There is just no reason to buy it at least for now.
I voted 'I don't know'.
Nisgeis
02-28-10, 01:41 PM
will you ever go again in any store? or even in a gas station?, cuz they are ''watching'' you with cameras... thus ''treating'' you as a ''criminal'' as well. :shifty:
They are treating you as a potential criminal, the difference is, you can still buy petrol, or food if the cameras stop working as they don't close the shop. :woot:. Oh yeah and you can still use the food and petrol you bought last week too.
609_Avatar
02-28-10, 01:48 PM
As I've stated elsewhere, no, not with this form of copy protection. I don't care how fabulous the game may be, I just won't support this in any way shape or form. I have too many games as it is that I don't have enough time to play so they are doing me a favor. :D
im wanting wanting to but it coz ive read it will play on sh4 spec at medium HOOOORAY!!!!...so this includes my machine:DL
....and it looks lovely too:yep:
....but i dont want to buy it coz of the drm thing, so:nope: no i wont be for the time being...:cry:
The difference is that when I leave the store with the product in my hands they stop watching me. Why? Because the product is now mine.
Yours?
Nope, unfortunatley that is not the case - you own a license to use it as prescribed by the publisher and nothing more. What do think the license agreement is all about?
Hell the only way you can 'own' your software is to write it yourself. They are treating you as a potential criminal, the difference is, you can still buy petrol, or food if the cameras stop working as they don't close the shop. :woot:. Oh yeah and you can still use the food and petrol you bought last week too.
About Ubisoft ''closing the shop'' I would say those who ''worry'' about it are approximately the same who wants Ubi to go to hell...
----
As you wish guys!
Personally, I don't expect the experience of being always connected as a terrifying one.
Anyway, I think you guys are worrying way tooooo much...
This is my opinion and I respect yours (but only disagree), no need to quote and continue the drama.
Peace :cool:
Kremmen
02-28-10, 02:41 PM
If they remove the DRM then I might give it another look.There are a couple of other things I saw in the previews that didn't quite float my boat but maybe the modders will take care of that.
After the Sony rootkit fiasco I never bought another Sony product,that was my personal 'line in the sand',which I guess we all have.
So no matter who's doing the pushing be it government,some corporation,a games publisher or whoever,there comes a point when your 'line in the sand' is reached and all you can do is push back anyway you can.
Freeeeeedom :/\\x:
Manstein16
02-28-10, 03:19 PM
I'd like to, even with the DRM, but my shaky internet connection would make it a waste of $50. Which is a shame, because I've been playing since SH1.
Wolfehunter
02-28-10, 03:30 PM
I'm not buying SHV. I don't like what ubi has done to it. And don't assume I don't like it because of the DRM.. that only part of my beef with SHV
TheDarkWraith
02-28-10, 03:36 PM
not buying it either. One has to take a stand against oppressing forms of DRM. Buying the game sends the message to everyone that you a) agree with this form of oppression and b) you are a mindless follower that is afraid to stand up and speak out against oppression. That is my opinion of course.
But I will say that I'm looking forward to possibly bringing some of the SH5 effects to SH3 if I can. I just need someone to give me some files to look at.
Nope, wont buy it. From the videos and feedback from those who have the game, it's another beta version they put out, which wouldn't be THAT bad, but the game seems to have taken a tight turn towards being more mainstream. Meh.
Jimbuna
02-28-10, 05:05 PM
Nope, wont buy it. From the videos and feedback from those who have the game, it's another beta version they put out, which wouldn't be THAT bad, but the game seems to have taken a tight turn towards being more mainstream. Meh.
Hmmm....you suprise me :hmmm:
:03::DL
Hmmm....you suprise me :hmmm:
:03::DL
Ow shut up. :O:
Jimbuna
02-28-10, 05:08 PM
Ow shut up. :O:
:rotfl2:
:up:
Steeltrap
02-28-10, 05:38 PM
Interesting how 30% of voters say they're getting it ASAP as opposed to the voting on "Will DRM affect your purchasing decision".
I expect Ubi relies on the fact that most people will carry on about 'principles' yet fail to follow them when tested against a perceived, short-term gain.
jwilliams
02-28-10, 06:10 PM
I have to admit... i've had moments of weekness about getting SH5..... but im not gonna cave.... atleast until i read Neal's review. (hope Neal gets to review this soon, i might have another moment of weekness). lol:oops:
I want an improved SH3 with 1st person camera view's. But i dont think SH5 is this. :wah:
Sailor Steve
02-28-10, 06:17 PM
I want SH3 with 1st person camera view's. But i dont think SH5 is this. :wah:
I want SH3 with SH4's graphics and crew management, and SH5's harbors, and SH3 Commander's adaptability.
But we haven't seen how modable SH5 is yet, so there is still a lot of hope.
OakGroove
02-28-10, 06:24 PM
Interesting how 30% of voters say they're getting it ASAP
Although i voted in some polls, i do not give too much on the statistical value in terms of being representative, not on the internet, in a public forum.
McHibbins
02-28-10, 06:28 PM
But we haven't seen how modable SH5 is yet, so there is still a lot of hope.
Jap, with all those modders who´re not willing to buy it...until DRM is removed...maybe in one or two years
Sailor Steve
02-28-10, 06:30 PM
Well, that's true too.
We'll see.
Jap, with all those modders who´re not willing to buy it...until DRM is removed...maybe in one or two years
I'm buying it, I can check out the file system as will most of the other buyers.
Not buying SH5 due to OSP, and now after seeing all the bugs, don't want to!!:O:
Ducimus
02-28-10, 10:26 PM
Not buying SH5 due to OSP, and now after seeing all the bugs, don't want to!!:O:
I said last week it would be "SH5, Bugs of the Atlantic", but nobody seemed to believe that. :haha:
cappy70
02-28-10, 10:29 PM
I pre-ordered the game 6 months ago..:salute::D
I pre-ordered the game 6 months ago..:salute::DSorry to hear about that!:haha:
I said last week it would be "SH5, Bugs of the Atlantic", but nobody seemed to believe that. :haha:Just looks like a white washed SH4 to me!:yep: I better tone it down a bit!!:oops:
Ducimus
02-28-10, 11:03 PM
Just looks like a white washed SH4 to me!:yep: I better tone it down a bit!!:oops:
What id be afraid of, is if SH5 behaves the same as Sh4 when your boat reachs 600 feet in depth.
What id be afraid of, is if SH5 behaves the same as Sh4 when your boat reachs 600 feet in depth.I didn't play it that often due to the bugs, are you referring to the boats buoyancy?:hmmm: What is annoying is that it is supposed to be "all new code", I think not! their favorite programming tool was copy & paste!!:nope:
Brandmon
03-01-10, 11:01 AM
Until the OSP is removed or I get proper positive feedback from the game, I'm not going to buy this. You can call me one of those guys who "Was going to buy the game but not anymore." Silent Hunter 5 is a singleplayer game. And a singleplayer game is usually something someone plays when he doesn't have a connection available. I have games like SH3 to thank for whenever the ISP decided to 'maintain' my internet connection (which usually meant hours without a connection)
Well, I hope their new system gives them the results they wanted. :roll:
BillCar
03-01-10, 12:07 PM
I might buy it, since people are telling me that it's not as awful as I feared (that stock GUI is HORRIBLE, though – I hated it in SH4 and it looks no better in SH5).
There's a chance it might not even run on my machine, since I'm using a new Macbook Pro (bought last week), but its specs are:
Intel Core 2 Duo 7550 @ 2.26 Ghz
2 Gigs Ram
Win 7 Professional 32-bit
Nividia GeForce 9400M
That last one is probably going to be a big issue. If someone else who plays with these specs gets it to run for them, I might buy it, but I might not bother playing it until modders have cleaned it up a bit.
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