Got it (cd/dvd): First copy sighted!

[bert8for3]

Got it just now. :woot: The cd/dvd. I went in to see if they knew when they'd have it next week, but was surprised to find they already had it.

I suspect it won't activate until next week; won't know until I get home later. Can access the manual though and am going to ignore work and look through it now.

[Heretic]

We demand proof sir! I want to see a photo of you with the game, a copy of today's newspaper, and a pretty girl in a bikini. Actually, you can leave out the newspaper. And you can leave out yourself, for that matter. Just the girl. Oh, and the game, of course.

[AVGWarhawk]

Hmmm...cool. I do not see why it would not work. :hmmm:

[The Enigma]

Then you have won (I guess).
Let us know how that darn DRM works out and your game experience.

[FIREWALL]

I'm surprised you haven't "ahemm" came down sick and have to rush home. :haha:

[bert8for3]

We demand proof sir! I want to see a photo of you with the game, a copy of today's newspaper, and a pretty girl in a bikini. Actually, you can leave out the newspaper. And you can leave out yourself, for that matter. Just the girl. Oh, and the game, of course.

:DL If I knew how to take a pic with my laptop cam I would. How about: page 14 of the manual has the headings "Time Compression and Camera Modes" and "Tactical Action Interface - TAI" and "Basic TAI Interface".

Hmmm...cool. I do not see why it would not work. :hmmm:

dunno, we'll see.

... Let us know how that darn DRM works out and your game experience.

As soon as I can, I will.

[jwilliams]

Hmmm...cool. I do not see why it would not work. :hmmm:

Online activation :hmmm:

would prob check if the date of release has passed yet.

[bert8for3]

I'm surprised you haven't "ahemm" came down sick and have to rush home. :haha:

As a matter of fact, I'm not feeling so great all of a sudden ... :rotfl2:

[Nisgeis]

As a matter of fact, I'm not feeling so great all of a sudden ... :rotfl2:

Looks like sweaty-palm-itis to me. Two week sign off, easy.

[FIREWALL]

As a matter of fact, I'm not feeling so great all of a sudden ... :rotfl2:

Work will be the death of yee yet. :har::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

[Hitman]

Pics or it didn't happen :D

No, wait ... with SH5 DRM it's actually:

"permanent online connection or it didn't happen" :har:

[AVGWarhawk]

Tell your boss you have an eye problem that just cropped up....tell him you can not SEE yourself finishing todays work and need to go home. :yeah:

[kylania]

Hitman speaks the truth! Pics! :woot:

[TH0R]

We demand photo evidence! :D

[ichso]

Videos!
But pics would be fine, too :D

[SteamWake]

Whatever you do... if you really did get a copy already do not reveal your source or they will be in trouble. ;)

If this is true its nice to see there past the production / distribution phase which is always a challange.

[bert8for3]

Just for a laugh, I don't want anyone thinking I'm taking this seriously:

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p109/bert8for3/sh5001.jpg

[The Enigma]

Can you prove that that paper isn't fake :har::haha:

[ichso]

:up:
approved.

[bert8for3]

Whatever you do... if you really did get a copy already do not reveal your source or they will be in trouble. ;)
...

Well, that's why I didn't mention, and won't mention, where I got it. I asked if they knew when they'd be getting it next week. The guy said they already had it and pulled out a copy. I was in the middle of saying I was surprised and that the release date wasn't until next week. So he was looking at his screen saying he couldn't see any restriction on it. Another guy came over, checked and said the same. I said again it wasn't due out until next week, but maybe it wouldn't activate yet. But they said they saw no reason they couldn't hand it over.

So if they made a mistake, it was an honest one.

edited: a copy

[Thomen]

Well, that's why I didn't mention, and won't mention, where I got it. I asked if they knew when they'd be getting it next week. The guy said they already had it and pulled out another copy. I was in the middle of saying I was surprised and that the release date wasn't until next week. So he was looking at his screen saying he couldn't see any restriction on it. Another guy came over, checked and said the same. I said again it wasn't due out until next week, but maybe it wouldn't activate yet. But they said they saw no reason they couldn't hand it over.

So if they made a mistake, it was an honest one.

Well, Ubi will see where it comes from ,as soon as you register the copy with the CD key (if it has one, though)

[GoldenRivet]

quite possibly the first retail version of SH5 anywhere :salute:

[gutted]

Well, Ubi will see where it comes from ,as soon as you register the copy with the CD key (if it has one, though)

screw ubi.. register that mofo and give us a review :D

[Thomen]

screw ubi.. register that mofo and give us a review :D

:haha:

True dat.

[Sone7]

first REVIEW ever :woot:
whatever u could do to help others waiting - won't be enough!

[swampa]

How many are sat pressing F5/refresh awaiting new info, every nano second :rock::woot:

[Sanuck]

Well
i feel its your Duty to send it same day courier to Onkel Neal

:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::r otfl2::rotfl2:



:salute: enjoy

[FIREWALL]

@ Bert.... Plug that sucka in and give us your first review before release date on SubSim.

You'll be a LEDGEND. :yeah::woot::salute:

[bert8for3]

Well, I'll see ... I sure didn't want to cause any fuss and it was just my enthusiasm that made me post. Nor, (being perhaps excessively concerned) do I wish to cause any hassle.

So I may end up not using it until other people are reporting getting theirs.

[urfisch]

yes, post some ingame stuff for us!!!

[ReFaN]

Well, I'll see ... I sure didn't want to cause any fuss and it was just my enthusiasm that made me post. Nor, (being perhaps excessively concerned) do I wish to cause any hassle.

So I may end up not using it until other people are reporting getting theirs.


'Mind Trick'

You want to play it, and show us!

'waves hand'

[oscar19681]

Got it just now. :woot: The cd/dvd. I went in to see if they knew when they'd have it next week, but was surprised to find they already had it.

I suspect it won't activate until next week; won't know until I get home later. Can access the manual though and am going to ignore work and look through it now.

Do you mind me asking how you obtained it since the game isnt out in 7 days?

[RFB Team]

Do you mind me asking how you obtained it since the game isnt out in 7 days?

Did you read his subsequent posts? :roll:

[FIREWALL]

Well, I'll see ... I sure didn't want to cause any fuss and it was just my enthusiasm that made me post. Nor, (being perhaps excessively concerned) do I wish to cause any hassle.

So I may end up not using it until other people are reporting getting theirs.

Ya! Right. :haha:

[Sanuck]

They say everyone has 15 minutes of fame

This is yours Bert
use it wisely :yawn:

Nah tell us all now

:woot:

[jazman]

They say everyone has 15 minutes of fame

This is yours Bert
use it wisely

Yah, he's staying at work to spend his 15 minutes. Work must pay better.

[Sky999]

Originally Posted by oscar19681 http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1281918#post1281918)
Do you mind me asking how you obtained it since the game isnt out in 7 days?



Tut tut, someone decided to not read the first post. :zzz:

[keltos01]

:har: :wah:

[razark]

So I may end up not using it until other people are reporting getting theirs.

You heard him, guys!

We all have our copies, too. So, go right ahead and tell us all about it.

Umm... you aren't going to ask for photographic proof, are you?

[Nisgeis]

Er, yeah! I'm unwrapping my copy now... I would post a review, but as Bert was first, I'll just wait for his comments, before I follow up with mine.

[ReFaN]

Er, yeah! I'm unwrapping my copy now... I would post a review, but as Bert was first, I'll just wait for his comments, before I follow up with mine.


Same here.. its all yours Bert

[Westbroek]

I'm totally playing mine right now. I have lots of thoughts, but what do you think Bert?

[Nisgeis]

I'm totally playing mine right now. I have lots of thoughts, but what do you think Bert?

Hey Westbroek isn't it amazing what happens in your training mission when you are the first officer on the first patrol... I mean what happens to the Captain and how they weave it into the rest of the campagn... well, I can't give too much away. I wonder what Bert thinks about it.

[SteamWake]

Hey Westbroek isn't it amazing what happens in your training mission when you are the first officer on the first patrol... I mean what happens to the Captain and how they weave it into the rest of the campagn... well, I can't give too much away. I wonder what Bert thinks about it.

Cripes cant you just take their word for it? :har:

[piri_reis]

I'm so jealous :wah:
On the other hand, I doubt installing it will get you in trouble.

[Nisgeis]

Cripes cant you just take their word for it? :har:

But that totally is what happens!

[Elektranaut]

The DVD cover is the giveaway methinks.......nice try though.

[Schultzy]

Pics or it didn't happen :D

No, wait ... with SH5 DRM it's actually:

"permanent online connection or it didn't happen" :har:

:rotfl2: Yep, POCs or it didn't happen. ;)

I'll fetch my coat...

[Michal788]

Where is your unpack movie? :O:

[urfisch]

i also thought about a "self printed" cover...otherwise the guy would have posted a pic from the content of the box...as this would be the normal procedure, to proof.

:O:

[Heretic]

The quotes from the manual convinced me. The things he mentioned were not the sort of thing I'd expect from a spoofer.

[V.C. Sniper]

BSOD yet? lawl

[FIREWALL]

GREEN is the color of Envy.

Which shade are some of you ? :haha:

[Lt commander lare]

can you play without an internet connection update on that part of it please give us some good news

lt commander lare

[FIREWALL]

If anyone bothered to notice he's, not online.

I wonder what he's doing right now ?

I'll give you 3 guesses. :03: And 2 don't count. :yep:

[LiveGoat]

As I look at that pic all I can think is this: Is that a thumb or a toe?

[FIREWALL]

As I look at that pic all I can think is this: Is that a thumb or a toe?

I think... he's got the game and you don't. :har::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

[ddrgn]

Hi Neal,

Sorry for my rant in January, I lost it when the possibility of no MP in SH5 was posted....

Here is the proof I bought my games. EB called me 35 mins ago and told me to pick them up, lucky Canadian am I.

I love SH5 especially MP I even bough my brothers copies

I will think twice about ranting in the future, off to the game!


http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/pwc100/IMG_4117.jpg

[LiveGoat]

Holy schmoly! Somebody's making a offline patch already! :o

[rcjonessnp175]

Yummy nice samsung you got thier great pc monitors i might add.:yeah:

[rcjonessnp175]

Hey love goat were did you here about this offline patch been searching certain forums and such for info on this matter?:rock:

[Sone7]

gosh, u make me tear my hair out ;D

how's the climate there, in Canada? I guess I should be moving there for these pre-release game copies :P

[ddrgn]

Yummy nice samsung you got thier great pc monitors i might add.:yeah:

thanks not like i would want to compare with your 52"

[rcjonessnp175]

Ya wish i had 3 of emm for uber ati crossfireX that be sick:up: Dam cant wait for tuesday to get here why cant it come out monday i have monday off :damn:

[Onkel Neal]

Hi Neal,

Sorry for my rant in January, I lost it when the possibility of no MP in SH5 was posted....

Here is the proof I bought my games. EB called me 35 mins ago and told me to pick them up, lucky Canadian am I.

I love SH5 especially MP I even bough my brothers copies

I will think twice about ranting in the future, off to the game!




Thanks, man, you rock. :salute:

[Onkel Neal]

Hey love goat were did you here about this offline patch been searching certain forums and such for info on this matter?:rock:

If Ubisoft releases an official offline patch, that's ok. But any "unofficial" offline patches are not a topic here, all right? :03:

[LiveGoat]

This is no time to be modest. You've got the upper hand, Bert. Now is the time to gloat! Give us the hot details.

Well, I'll see ... I sure didn't want to cause any fuss and it was just my enthusiasm that made me post. Nor, (being perhaps excessively concerned) do I wish to cause any hassle.

So I may end up not using it until other people are reporting getting theirs.

[rcjonessnp175]

to bad germany isnt getting a super cool early release today:damn:

[bigboywooly]

Fair play to you guys for getting it early

Though does make you realise how some games can be cracked and on torrents BEFORE general release if retailers are letting them go early

Now
Lets see some ingame shots and reviews you lucky gits

[Shoopzee]

Hey Bert, where are you in Canada, and what store? I'm in Halifax was tempted to go check out EB games, but got side- tracked. Maybe I will check there tomorrow or at Bestbuy. Was in future shop earlier on unrelated biz, but failed to see it on the shelf.
Cheers Ted. aka Shoopzee.:up:

[LiveGoat]

Copy that. :salute:



If Ubisoft releases an official offline patch, that's ok. But any "unofficial" offline patches are not a topic here, all right? :03:

[Harcor]

ahhhhhhhh i also want one!!! hahahah :yeah::D:yeah:

I am trying to pick off one of the copies of ddrgn through my monitor but mhhh it doesn´t work......ahhhh hehheheheh can´t wait to get my copy from Media Markt here in Germany as soon as it gets available!!


have fun ddrgn, don´t forget to tell us about the game, we are here waiting for your infos!!!

[subsimlee]

Called EB here in Bedford, ( just outside of Halifax, N.S. ) . They have it in stock but won't sell it 'till release date Mar. 2. Said something about getting in trouble and messing things up at Ubi.....:damn::down:

[rcjonessnp175]

For all you lucky fellas who have it made a sh5 screenshot thread figure we could consolidate emm if they start getting in almost 2 in morning here in germany monster was a bad idea after the gym now ill be up till sunrise waiting for a new peak at this thing.:damn:

[Sone7]

Still the european release is planned for 5th, 3 days after US, Canada etc..
I suppose we would get a hundred reviews while still waiting, lucky you :O:

[Harcor]

yeah its almost 2 AM here in germany have to be at work at 6AM in the morning, really excited to see that the game is out finally!! gonna get a coffee now and keep my eyes straight on this thread. hopefully someone give us some input about the game

[rcjonessnp175]

Hey for any euro or otherwise not in america purchasers of sh5 i purchased mine through direct2drive by going to this http://freeproxies.org/list.htm

Allowed me to purchase it as if i was back in the states will be able to download it on the 2nd:rock:

[ddrgn]

gosh, u make me tear my hair out ;D

how's the climate there, in Canada? I guess I should be moving there for these pre-release game copies :P

Terrible in fact, snowing 3 days straight, honestly i had to keep calm when i got the call to pick up my games, i went to the store calm, saw copies lying on the floor, then started to believe it, paid for my copes bundled them up in my jacket and told them its not supposed to be out until March 2. They started going through papers, etc thinking they made a mistake. I know they did cuz they guy talked about street dates and release dates, he thinks release date has happened already and street date was March 2, therefore good to go.... LOL no. They fffed up.

My take is its end of month, they need to show numbers and why the hell not its a niche title, no one knows no one cares, so release, boom I get my copes they get my money and there numbers go up slightly.

Lucky day, good old silent hunter gods smiled upon me.

I can honestly tell you after my first walk through the sub, I'm blown away, I installed the german voice pack and it sounds awesome...

So pumped, got to play......

[IanC]

Just for a laugh, I don't want anyone thinking I'm taking this seriously:

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p109/bert8for3/sh5001.jpg

This baby is out in Montreal already? I am SO going out to hunt for it now! Oh wait, I can't play it nevermind. :shifty:

Holy schmoly! Somebody's making a offline patch already! :o

Don't tease me. :p2:

[etheberge]

Took the words right out of my mouth!

Nice to see us Montrealers getting something before everyone else for a change.

Stores close in 45 minutes. Gentlemen, start your diesel engines!

[kiwi_2005]

SH5 not due in New Zealand till 5th march :damn:

[Heretic]

Hmm the servers are up and working, fired up a game already....

... and confirmation from ddrgn in the MP forum.

[ddrgn]

hmmm i cant find anywhere to set the spread.....

[Greentimbers]

Just tried the UBI store again, download link not active yet:wah:

Well it was worth a try, will check again tomorrow, never know they might let it go early :DL

[Factor]

My wife hates it when i, "let it go early". :haha:

[IanC]

My wife hates it when i, "let it go early". :haha:

Is she some kind of regional manager for Ubisoft?

[rcjonessnp175]

^ Torpedo LOS!!:o

[IanC]

:lol:

[crashed97tsi]

I got it also, at the Best electronics retailer near an air force base in South Easternish Pennsylvania. They had 4 copies left and also about 20 copies of Supreme Commander 2.

http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae14/crashed97tsi/Silent%20Hunter%205/IMG00011-20100226-2147.jpg

Installing it now, I'll see if I can actually play it. I didn't have anything with today's date so if you don't believe me, too bad :)

[mookiemookie]

Lucky bums! Looks like I'm going on a hunt tomorrow to see if I can find an early copy.

Oh and crashed97tsi: Parliaments? Really? Yecch! :|\\

[SteamWake]

I got it also, at the Best electronics retailer near an air force base in South Easternish Pennsylvania. They had 4 copies left and also about 20 copies of Supreme Commander 2.

http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae14/crashed97tsi/Silent%20Hunter%205/IMG00011-20100226-2147.jpg

Installing it now, I'll see if I can actually play it. I didn't have anything with today's date so if you don't believe me, too bad :)

I'm sorry but that was...

Epic !

[crashed97tsi]

There are camels in there too......

[Ducimus]

One of you fella's with the game should pull the plug on your internet connection for 8 minutes or so and see what happens. Could confirm or deny for everyone, most of the drama on this forum.

[crashed97tsi]

One of you fella's with the game should pull the plug on your internet connection for 8 minutes or so and see what happens. Could confirm or deny for everyone, most of the drama on this forum.

I'll do it, but confirm or deny what? I'm a big fan of the series, but honestly I had no idea this game was this close to release. I was walking through, saw it and scooped it up.

Let me know what you want to find out, and I'll confirm it for you.

[ThePinkSubmarine]

Some guys have all the luck...
It's just another couple of days for the rest of us! As everyone else has been saying -- can you guys post some screenshots?

[Ducimus]

This is per all the DRM threads. The rumor is that if you lose your internet connection, the game will pause until connection is re established, or you get booted, possibly losing your progress in the game.. I know neal posted a video of it, but nothing happened. Heard later that it took 6 minutes before he was booted from the game. Long story short, from what ive read/heard, the game requires a CONSTANT internet connection, if it doesn't have one, it stops working in some form. Im guessing there's a timeout period before it does that .. IF it does that.

So if someone can confirm it does that or not, the local injun's will be either really happy, or boiling mad on the warpath. lol.

[Heretic]

And when you get booted/paused/whatever, if you tell us if you can save at that point or not, please.

[IanC]

Can you even play it? The servers might not be up until the official release date.

[bert8for3]

Well, I'm up and running. Been playing for a couple of hours or more.

I am not going to "review" or comment for now. In a couple of hours I've only been through the training mission and am just going on my first war patrol. I'm still getting a handle on the controls (and lest anyone think that infers that the controls are lousy, not at all; if it's taking me longer than others might take it's only because I'm hamfisted and slow with it etc. Running on the default settings for now until I get used to things. So sorry if it disappoints, but it would be totally premature to say anything other than the following, keeping in mind it's obviously in relation to my pc and my internet connection.

It looks great, runs smoothly, has nice controls (the ones I've used so far) :up:. I don't want to get into the DRM for/against thing; just that I've had no problem so far with the online aspect. No, I'm sorry, I haven't played around with disconnecting from the internet yet. Having too much fun exploring.

I've taken some screenshots (I think). I'll see if I can locate them as and when I stop playing and post them, which I'm afraid may be quite a while.

[ddrgn]

Well, I'm up and running. Been playing for a couple of hours or more.

I am not going to "review" or comment for now. In a couple of hours I've only been through the training mission and am just going on my first war patrol. I'm still getting a handle on the controls. etc. Running on the default settings for now until I get used to things. So sorry if it disappoints, but it would be totally premature to say anything other than the following, keeping in mind it's obviously in relation to my pc and my internet connection.

It looks great, runs smoothly, has nice controls (the ones I've used so far) :up:. I don't want to get into the DRM for/against thing; just that I've had no problem so far with the online aspect. No, I'm sorry, I haven't played around with disconnecting from the internet yet. Having too much fun exploring.

I've taken some screenshots (I think). I'll see if I can locate them as and when I stop playing and post them, which I'm afraid may be quite a while.

Can you find where to set the spread?

I have already figured out that you can set up hot keys np. Your standing anywhere hit the edited hot key and your at any station. Just have to edit the commands file like in SH4.

I cant figure out where my battery and fuel levels are...

I did disconnect a few times and nothing stopped. DRM isn't owning anything yet and I am screwing around with editing the cfg. So I am loading over and over, its one click on the Sh5 iconm the DRM loads in 5 secs your on the intro window. I already removed the intro movies though so mine goes right to loading. The explosions are sweeet!!!

[ddrgn]

Can you even play it? The servers might not be up until the official release date.

I loaded LAN and UBI game np, no joiners yet tho ;P

[bert8for3]

Can you find where to set the spread?

I have already figured out that you can set up hot keys np. Your standing anywhere hit the edited hot key and your at any station. Just have to edit the commands file like in SH4.

I cant figure out where my battery and fuel levels are...

I did disconnect a few times and nothing stopped. DRM isn't owning anything yet and I am screwing around with editing the cfg. So I am loading over and over, its one click on the Sh5 iconm the DRM loads in 5 secs your on the intro window. I already removed the intro movies though so mine goes right to loading. The explosions are sweeet!!!

You're way ahead of me by the sounds of it, so I can't answer re the spread. Tks yr info tho.

[Castout]

OK UBI let's see how long I can resist SHV.

Please! comments, let them in! For the free flow of information and opinion!:O:

[SteamWake]

Que twilight zone music.. !!!

[crashed97tsi]

Ok, here is an update for you on the whole DRM thing. The game plays and ran fine when my internet connection was up. So, to test the whole DRM thing, I went to go to disable my ethernet adapter.

Now, I am not trying to scare anyone here, but I am almost 100% positive that I could always disable the adapter, even when a program was using the internet connection. But for whatever reason when I went to disable the adapter this time I got this:

http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae14/crashed97tsi/Silent%20Hunter%205/W2TF-1.jpg


So, I then pulled my cord at about 10:41PM, and went back to the game. By 10:43, this popped up:


http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae14/crashed97tsi/Silent%20Hunter%205/SH52010-02-2622-32-52-58.jpg

There was no opportunity to save your progress or anything, it just popped up with that screen. Also, when I popped the cord back in the game was the last thing to restore. My internet, weather connection, etc all game back first.

It is pretty draconian if you ask me. Luckily SH is really the only Ubisoft game I play.

Now as for screenshots of the game, I'll take some once I get used to it. It all just feels a little odd right now, the beginning is not what I expected.

[Heretic]

Thanks for taking the time to show us this stuff. When the connection was restored, did the game resume at the point where it left off or did it require you to reload from a save?

[crashed97tsi]

Thanks for taking the time to show us this stuff. When the connection was restored, did the game resume at the point where it left off or did it require you to reload from a save?

It resumed where the game left off, but to be honest this crap from Ubi is doing something totally unacceptable. Out of curiosity, I shut down the game and tried to disable my adapter with everything else running. This is the result:

http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae14/crashed97tsi/Silent%20Hunter%205/W2TF2-1.png

So, the Ubisoft Cloud DRM is not allowing me to change a setting in MY COMPUTER. They are effectively taking control of that setting on my computer whenver their program is in use.

This is a BIG BIG deal to me, I've actually stopped playing to research this issue further. None of my other programs do this. As you can see from the screenshots, Steam has been running in the background the whole time.

I'm getting what I deserved for not doing more research. At least its supporting SH5 I guess.

[Heretic]

Sorry to hear you weren't aware of it. It's been a bit of a hot topic here. We do appreicate you letting us know how it works. I'll quit pestering you now and let you get back to your game.

The game resumes when connection is restored, without losing your progress. That's a big relief.

[difool2]

Kudos for deciding to be a "guinea pig" for us. What happens if you are disconnected, exit the game, and attempt to pick up (load an autosave?) where you left off before you disconnected?

[Ducimus]

Thanks for the info crashed97tsi.

I'm going to withhold my opinion on the info you've given, (cause i fear this may have already hijacked the thread to hell and gone), but am only going to say, thank you for taking the time to look into the issue for the curious.

[ddrgn]

hmmm

I just played the first mission in the campaign, i started, saved my game, unplugged my net, 10 seconds later im bumped to the main menu, saying retry when connection is established again,

but there was a choice at the top to continue mission, i click that 10 seconds later game is reloaded to the same point i left off, i save the game again, and continue on without plugging the net back in, finished off the mission,, relugged in the net and here i am

[IanC]

It resumed where the game left off, but to be honest this crap from Ubi is doing something totally unacceptable. Out of curiosity, I shut down the game and tried to disable my adapter with everything else running. This is the result:

So, the Ubisoft Cloud DRM is not allowing me to change a setting in MY COMPUTER. They are effectively taking control of that setting on my computer whenver their program is in use.

This is a BIG BIG deal to me, I've actually stopped playing to research this issue further. None of my other programs do this. As you can see from the screenshots, Steam has been running in the background the whole time.

I'm getting what I deserved for not doing more research. At least its supporting SH5 I guess.

Yup, all the objections are not for nothing... but I digress. What do you mean exactly it's not allowing you to change your settings?

[Crimguy]

Thanks for the info Crash.

I've never before done this, or even cared enough, about DRM measures to not buy a game. Starforce did piss me off once I learned what it did, and by then it was too late.

Until I know more about how Ubi's DRM is handling my net connection, I will not buy this title.

If Ubisoft are listening, I reserve the right to control my hardware, not you. You want to prevent piracy, that's fine with me. Sail the high seas. Just leave my computer alone.

[ddrgn]

I get the same problem with the network adapter, i cant disable it when the DRM is running, when off I can

[crashed97tsi]

Yup, all the objections are not for nothing... but I digress. What do you mean exactly it's not allowing you to change your settings?


If you look at the screenshots, specifically the taskbars in both, you will see what programs are running when I attempt to disable the connection. The first one, where windows give me the message about not being able to disable the connection, has Steam, Hardware Monitor, Fraps, SH5 and Ubisoft's DRM thing running.

The second screenshot is all the same programs minus SH5 and Ubisoft's DRM thing. The connection disables without a problem. You may have to zoom out the screenshots in order to be able to tell.

Since I have never been denied access to disable a peripheral on this machine since I built this computer is leading me to believe that this DRM is taking over that connection when it is running.


I hope I am explaining the problem so you can understand, I took the screenshots to help out.

Edit: and it is my pleasure for testing this, I am glad I did. I may never have discovered this issue otherwise.

Edit 2: I have to go for a bit guys, gotta run some errands. I will be back later tonight and do some more testing with the DRM.

[IanC]

Ok got it.. Wow :nope:

[Wolfehunter]

Crash did you try ending task's in the task manager processes category?

What are the results?

[Parkera]

SH5 not due in New Zealand till 5th march :damn:

Hey Kiwi order from Mighty Ape and you can pre order it and also recieve it on release day! Also cheaper than at EB:up:

[crashed97tsi]

Crash did you try ending task's in the task manager processes category?

What are the results?

Ending the "ubisoft Launcher" results in the program displaying the same lost connection message as in the screenshot below. Then the program hangs, the only way to get out of it was ctrl+alt+del. This error message was displayed

http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae14/crashed97tsi/Silent%20Hunter%205/Testendprocess2.png

So, yeah...

By the way, I suck at screenshots :O:

[Wolfehunter]

Ending the "ubisoft Launcher" results in the program displaying the same lost connection message as in the screenshot below. Then the program hangs, the only way to get out of it was ctrl+alt+del. This error message was displayed

So, yeah...

By the way, I suck at screenshots :O:Press alt Print Screen to highlight the active window pic and save it to paint or similar program.

ubi is using steam? did you try force end in task manager?

[Factor]

http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae14/crashed97tsi/Silent%20Hunter%205/IMG00011-20100226-2147.jpg


You have alot of cigarettes back there. lol

[crashed97tsi]

Press alt Print Screen to highlight the active window pic and save it to paint or similar program.

ubi is using steam? did you try force end in task manager?

I am using that method, I just never did this with my dual monitor setup before, which is making the screenshots very long. I am going back through and deleting that and resizing the canvass in paint. Hopefully, that will make the screenshots more readable

And no, Steam has nothing to do with Silent Hunter 5. I just happened to have it running at the same time.

[capthelm]

http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae14/crashed97tsi/Silent%20Hunter%205/IMG00011-20100226-2147.jpg


You have alot of cigarettes back there. lol


drm caused him to chain smoke :down:

[Wolfehunter]

I am using that method, I just never did this with my dual monitor setup before, which is making the screenshots very long. I am going back through and deleting that and resizing the canvass in paint. Hopefully, that will make the screenshots more readable

And no, Steam has nothing to do with Silent Hunter 5. I just happened to have it running at the same time.ok cool.:)

[jazman]

Need some Wireshark and TCPView action to see what's going on. Wireshark to understand the frequency and volume of traffic to the Hive, TCPView to understand state of TCP connection(s), and if you can kill the connections, and if the game re-establishes them automatically (likely, but slow; would be nice to know how fast it comes back). That last bit about killing the connections manually is to see if they are "unkillable", which I've seen on some apps on occasion, but not being able to disable your NIC is harsh.

[jwilliams]

Hey Kiwi order from Mighty Ape and you can pre order it and also recieve it on release day! Also cheaper than at EB:up:

Mighty Ape have sold out of collectors ed..... i looked :wah:

[Parkera]

Mighty Ape have sold out of collectors ed..... i looked :wah:

Looks Like I got in just in time then. I was gonna wait for some reviews etc on here, but thought bugger it!:)

[Sanuck]

Dont forget you lucky .........
that you might be playing a version that is 2-3 weeks old
as Ist day patch if there is one probably not on server yet

Looking forward to you all waking up
cos gone very quiet
enjoy

:woot:

[Highbury]

Dont forget you lucky .........
that you might be playing a version that is 2-3 weeks old
as Ist day patch if there is one probably not on server yet

Looking forward to you all waking up
cos gone very quiet
enjoy

:woot:

And any patch will be available to him the min it is for the rest of us. He just has the bonus of playing it well before :03:

[Sanuck]

You an Arsenal fan Highbury ? :yeah:

[Wraithe]

Thanks for giving us the heads up, I've been trying to decide what to buy the next month. It's been Supreme Commander 2 or SH5, and well after what you have posted the only reason I would ever buy SH5 is to crack their god damn drm even if I'm no cpu expert, at least I know sniffing but I guess they do use some authentication protocols which will need more advanced stuff than sniffing.

Funnily enough, even though this might and above might have been above forum guidelines. I might actually buy the game if it does get cracked, I mean even Ubi themselves resort to cracks, look up Rainbow Six Vegas if you want to know what I mean.

Thanks

[Philipp_Thomsen]

Using the forbidden "C" word here? TWICE?

Neal will bust your @ss!!! :DL

[R-T-B]

If the game gets cracked, it merely serves to show how pointless the DRM was in the first place.

If it doesn't get cracked, then Ubi actually has an argument.

[ReFaN]

if the game gets cracked, it merely serves to show how pointless the drm was in the first place.

If it doesn't get cracked, then ubi actually has an argument.

alaaaaaaaarm

[Ragtag]

alaaaaaaaarm

LOL. cracked me up :arrgh!:

[R-T-B]

alaaaaaaaarm

The word isn't forbidden my friend, the act is. I in no way condone or advocate cracking a product, and I refuse to do it myself. I'm just facing reality, as harsh as it may be. I'm sure Neal has no issue with that.

(Or if you do Neal, just say so).

[IanC]

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/173/91877897.jpg

[R-T-B]

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/173/91877897.jpg

My sentiments exactly... :lol:

[Reece]

There are many types of cracks, some I love!;) some like in my wall I hate!:yep:
I also hate piracy, but cracks are not in anyway piracy!:yep:

[R-T-B]

Maybe not always piracy, but they can be used for it, which is precisely why they are illegal.

Not saying that's right (the "illegalize everything because of one illegitimate use mentality), but it is what it is, and I think we've said enough.

[Reece]

Maybe not always piracy, but they can be used for it, which is precisely why they are illegal.

Not saying that's right (the "illegalize everything because of one illegitimate use mentality), but it is what it is, and I think we've said enough.Cr*cks could be used on a pirate copy as well as a genuine copy, but I think I'd better tone it down, I'm playing on the edge a little, don't want to upset Neal or get brig again!:oops::D

[3DDevil]

alaaaaaaaarm


OMG!! This is the funniest thing I have read in a long while... pure simplicity!! LOL!! :up::DL

[OakGroove]

Thank you for sharing your observations crashed97tsi, keep posting.

[Wraithe]

alaaaaaaaarm

Like the above, laughed at this one =P

Well ubisoft themselves have clearly agreed that cracks are good, like I said look above at the rainbow six vegas thing. If anyone doesn't want to bother with looking it up, ubisoft had issues with drm in the game and instead of using their own patch to fix it, they released the piracy group Reloadeds crack as a patch.

I can honstely say I had cracked every storebought physical gamecopy I had installed a few years back, I just hated CDs.... constantly having to swap them blah blah. The last few years it's been different however, the last game I bought from a store as a physical copy must have been WoW or Oblivion I'm not sure if I can find any other PC games around my house from 2000+ actually that have a cd.

Of course I have bought 50-150 games or so from digital stores, and yay I rarely need to crack these since there's no damn cd from the start =P. I can say that I did crack a few securom and tages game because the god damn drms were causing issues with other software. Cracks solved that problem.

I've been playing SH games since the 2nd one I think or it might have been the first, such a long time ago. This is actually the first time I'm not going to buy a copy, but yes a crack removing the ubidracodrm would make me buy it. For me cracks are a way of solving nuisances that those developers seem to think will sell more games.

If someone who buys a game and cracks it to make it work better gets hanged out then that's just sad. Sure the eulas and crap do say that you can't modify anything in the damn game but yes like someone posted it was either:
1. My cat
2. I was intoxicated and was not fully in control of my actions
That made the nasty eula go away.

I'm a software developer myself so I do hate piracy but I also believe that fighting it with drm is the most stupid way of fighting it. Think of who suffers from the drm?
1. Legit customers
2. The crackers who make the pirated games
(less than 1% of the games are not cracked in a year), statistics pulled out of my ass. I do know a few games that didn't get cracked within a year of release and most of them did have a really crazy drm online activation and so on. But the biggest reason for not getting cracked was probably that they were niche games from the start.
3. The company itself for losing money on implementing drm

Well that's all I can think of, nr 1 is the biggest and nr2 is the smallest which is why I think drm is stupid beyond recognition.

[The Enigma]

Well ubisoft themselves have clearly agreed that cracks are good, like I said look above at the rainbow six vegas thing. If anyone doesn't want to bother with looking it up, ubisoft had issues with drm in the game and instead of using their own patch to fix it, they released the piracy group Reloadeds crack as a patch.

Never heard of such UBIsoft allowed "modification".
Do you have a link?


I can honstely say I had cracked every storebought physical gamecopy I had installed a few years back, I just hated CDs.... constantly having to swap them blah blah. The last few years it's been different however, the last game I bought from a store as a physical copy must have been WoW or Oblivion I'm not sure if I can find any other PC games around my house from 2000+ actually that have a cd.

I'm pretty sure Neal doesn't want such stories on his board.
"What you do at home is your business, don't talk about it at subsim"
is the motto here.


I'm a software developer myself so I do hate piracy but I also believe that fighting it with drm is the most stupid way of fighting it. Think of who suffers from the drm?
1. Legit customers
2. The crackers who make the pirated games
(less than 1% of the games are not cracked in a year), statistics pulled out of my ass. I do know a few games that didn't get cracked within a year of release and most of them did have a really crazy drm online activation and so on. But the biggest reason for not getting cracked was probably that they were niche games from the start.
3. The company itself for losing money on implementing drm

Well that's all I can think of, nr 1 is the biggest and nr2 is the smallest which is why I think drm is stupid beyond recognition.

Assuming that this DRM was intended to stop piracy.
More and more I'm convinced that UBI has a bigger goal in mind.
Collecting data of the gamers, controlling them more and more.

[Wraithe]

Never heard of such UBIsoft allowed "modification".
Do you have a link?


http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubisoft-Cracks-Own-Game-with-Reloaded-Fix-90318.shtml

Just google rainbow six vegas reloaded ubisoft and the like and you'll find most news sites having copies of the news.

[urfisch]

i wonder how many people already have a copy and do not post any screens...for people like me, who are waiting for reviews, this is a must!

:yep:

come on guys...make some screenies, during playing...

[Wraithe]

i wonder how many people already have a copy and do not post any screens...for people like me, who are waiting for reviews, this is a must!

:yep:

come on guys...make some screenies, during playing...

Streaming gameplay to whatever that site is called would be better, but oh wait.... damn drm is stealing all ze bandwith...

[The Enigma]

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubisoft-Cracks-Own-Game-with-Reloaded-Fix-90318.shtml

Just google rainbow six vegas reloaded ubisoft and the like and you'll find most news sites having copies of the news.


This further means that, somehow, Ubisoft managed to break their own anti-piracy rules and, at the same time, commit piracy by stealing the crack (because, honestly, I doubt that the two groups worked together on this). A very, very funny situation which will probably be remembered for a long time by the gamers' community - and we must admit we're really curious to see how Reloaded will respond to the whole deal. Just imagine how hilarious the following headline would look in the newspapers: "Cracking group sues developers for stealing crack".

I didn't knew this. What a foolish strategy.
Thanks for the link.

Perhaps they need the same solution for SH5 soon. *Eh eh*

[Q3ark]

come on guys post some screens pleeeeese:D

[Sone7]

They're sleeping after whole night of playing :timeout:

[The Enigma]

come on guys post some screens pleeeeese:D

You should be monitoring this thread (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162521) for screenshots. ;)

[Heretic]

They won't be consistently showing up their til our initial spaz is over. They'll be scattered throughout the threads.

[The Enigma]

Yeah I guess you're right.
The moderators will have a lot of work on their hands merging all the threads into one.

[Jimbuna]

come on guys post some screens pleeeeese:D

LOL :DL

[COWBOY10]

Hey Guys great news, that you have SH5, even better news that it seems you are already playing. However Can you just confirm one thing for me. The steering, In all the other games, we have had the compass to allow us close control of the direction of the sub. I know Neal stated that you could only steer using the map on is version. I am holding on to the thought though, that the steering control Neal had was only becasue it was a beta version. Please please tell us what the steering controls are like in the new version. Im sure Im not the anly one who used the steering controls all the time. I hate the thought of being stuck with a map to chose direction.

[Heretic]

I cant figure out where my battery and fuel levels are...


Looks like they're on this screen, lower left.
http://www.redebedarf.de/files/gfx/sh5screens/sh52702/SH5_5.jpg

[ddrgn]

Hey Guys great news, that you have SH5, even better news that it seems you are already playing. However Can you just confirm one thing for me. The steering, In all the other games, we have had the compass to allow us close control of the direction of the sub. I know Neal stated that you could only steer using the map on is version. I am holding on to the thought though, that the steering control Neal had was only becasue it was a beta version. Please please tell us what the steering controls are like in the new version. Im sure Im not the anly one who used the steering controls all the time. I hate the thought of being stuck with a map to chose direction.

-There is no compass in the hud
-The right and left arrow keys when pressed show a course direction of 1 degree starboard/port, does nothing really
- I cant see my heading unless i look at the ships dials (more releastic but a real pita)
-Its hard to steer, yes ;[

[ddrgn]

Looks like they're on this screen, lower left.
http://www.redebedarf.de/files/gfx/sh5screens/sh52702/SH5_5.jpg

nice chekcing that now

yep thats where it is, thanks ;]

[Tarnsman]

How many crew are aboard?

[Onkel Neal]

-There is no compass in the hud
-The right and left arrow keys when pressed show a course direction of 1 degree starboard/port, does nothing really
- I cant see my heading unless i look at the ships dials (more releastic but a real pita)
-Its hard to steer, yes ;[

Try SHIFT Leftarrow and SHIFT Rightarrow, and use the keypad 0 key to shift the rudder amidships.

[Sanuck]

Could you please tell me if res supports 1920 x 1200
or which is the highest

Thanks in advance

enjoy :woot:

[ddrgn]

Try SHIFT Leftarrow and SHIFT Rightarrow, and use the keypad 0 key to shift the rudder amidships.

Thanks thats how to do it.

Hi Sanuck, I'm running the resolution 1920x1200 maxed out and its runs fine

[COWBOY10]

-There is no compass in the hud
-The right and left arrow keys when pressed show a course direction of 1 degree starboard/port, does nothing really
- I cant see my heading unless i look at the ships dials (more releastic but a real pita)
-Its hard to steer, yes ;[


Thanks for the quick Answer, mmmm thats sounds like what I was worried about, though im guessing, if you keep pressing arrows, that it moves 1 degree each time, and if you press SHift Arrow, like Neal stated, then thats hard s/board / Port then 0 to amidships.

Thanks again for the quick answer, Fingers crossed that this can be modded, Not bothered bout looking at dial for heading, But would like to state steer 213 or 310 like before using a compass dial. :)

You enjoy SH5, and keep brining us good news

[OakGroove]

@ddrgn
could you post a few lines on how the file structure of the installation looks like, is it similar to SH4?

[cherbert]

Thanks thats how to do it.

Hi Sanuck, I'm running the resolution 1920x1200 maxed out and its runs fine

What video card you got?

[Wraithe]

@ddrgn
could you post a few lines on how the file structure of the installation looks like, is it similar to SH4?

I have a better idea:
Write "dir /s > SH5Files.txt" in cmd in the silent hunter directory of course

[OakGroove]

I have a better idea:
Write "dir /s > SH5Files.txt" in cmd in the silent hunter directory of course

:up: thanks.

[ddrgn]

@ddrgn
could you post a few lines on how the file structure of the installation looks like, is it similar to SH4?

Looks to be exactly the same. A few new folders. I looked at few files like the dials.cfg, they all look to be the same with minor changes.

I have a 9800GT video card

[ddrgn]

heres a pic of the filestructure

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/pwc100/filestructure.jpg

[The General]

I noticed a folder labeled 'Browser' there. I guess that's to do with the DRM or maybe the Multiplayer facility?

[OakGroove]

Thank you ddrgn. Looks indeed similar.

[ddrgn]

I noticed a folder labeled 'Browser' there. I guess that's to do with the DRM or maybe the Multiplayer facility?


Thats part of the Uplay Browser, one of the new features not mentioned much is the player profile, looks like it keeps track of your progress online, kind of neat for comparison with your buddies

[Bilge_Rat]

got it as well. EB games in montreal is selling it.

[DMB3428]

walked into best buy 2-26-10 8pm boom there it is on the shelf so I've played most of the night and part of today :D No time for a review but it's better than I expected, thankfully my internet connection hasnt crapped out on me either.....I hope we can by-pass the constant connection nonsense soon

[Heretic]

where you located, DMB3428?

[DMB3428]

missouri

[Heretic]

missouri

getting closer..

thanks!

[mookiemookie]

Hah. That post inspired me to do some checking around here today. 2 Best Buys, 2 Targets, 1 Walmart and a Gamestop later - no luck. Guess I'm stuck waiting until Tuesday.

[ReFaN]

Hah. That post inspired me to do some checking around here today. 2 Best Buys, 2 Targets, 1 Walmart and a Gamestop later - no luck. Guess I'm stuck waiting until Tuesday.

Great, welcome to the club! :salute:

[Q3ark]

Hah. That post inspired me to do some checking around here today. 2 Best Buys, 2 Targets, 1 Walmart and a Gamestop later - no luck. Guess I'm stuck waiting until Tuesday.

Gotta wait untill friday the 5th here in UK, unless i buy it from steam then i get it on wednesday. I would much rather have it on disk but i guess it's the software that's important, not the storage medium.

[TwistedFemur]

Well, that's why I didn't mention, and won't mention, where I got it. I asked if they knew when they'd be getting it next week. The guy said they already had it and pulled out a copy. I was in the middle of saying I was surprised and that the release date wasn't until next week. So he was looking at his screen saying he couldn't see any restriction on it. Another guy came over, checked and said the same. I said again it wasn't due out until next week, but maybe it wouldn't activate yet. But they said they saw no reason they couldn't hand it over.

So if they made a mistake, it was an honest one.

edited: a copy


Breaking the street date is a BIG fine $$$$$ (at least in the U.S.)
but I dont think it is really enforced Wal-Mart and gamestop routinly break the street dates

[mookiemookie]

Breaking the street date is a BIG fine $$$$$ (at least in the U.S.)
but I dont think it is really enforced Wal-Mart and gamestop routinly break the street dates

The guy at Gamestop told me that breaking the street date on a game is a fireable offense.

[Soviet_Warlord]

The guy at Gamestop told me that breaking the street date on a game is a fireable offense.

It seems like EB Games in Canada has the wrong date in their computers, they handed SH5 over without hesitation, the guy said "oh, it released a few days ago" :DL

[subsimlee]

Spent a couple hours with it. Most of the fears ( other than DRM ) most of us have been concerned about are unfounded in my first impressions. We can still control things pretty much as in previous versions except DIFFERENTLY...Some things more intuitive, some less..Make no mistake, there are annoying little struggles to make happen what you want to happen. ( Still can't get the observation 'scope all the way down! )
Bottom line, IMHO, there's a lot of playability here once we adapt to a somewhat different approach to the sim..but a lot of the changes are based on former version wishlists. The devs have given us more content, however, if part of their intent was to widen the appeal to FPS arcade crowd, it's minimal . I'm sure there aren't enough rivits or the right colors here and there but I served on British "A" boats which were VERY similiar to the VIIC and I'm not distracted enough by those elements not to say this SH version makes you feel more part of something that happened in history......

[Méo]

most of us have been concerned about are unfounded in my first impressions

The devs have given us more content, however, if part of their intent was to widen the appeal to FPS arcade crowd, it's minimal

Some people also said that there was only few bugs/giltches from their first impression.

I'm really looking foward to confirm if all this is really true. If it is, it's really gonna make me chuckle...;)

[malkuth74]

Please don't be rude and call people names, it's not funny. -- NS

[JohnnyMacintosh]

Hmmm... it seems like its getting released early in Canada more then other places... I might just have to find my wallet in this mess of a room, and go out on the hunt!:arrgh!:

[ddrgn]

( Still can't get the observation 'scope all the way down!

Because your are looking through it, get off the scope then close it.

[Llogeyr]

How is the server thus far as far as up and down time, being that we have to be connected to the internet the whole time? Granted population may be low at this time but am curious.

[ddrgn]

How is the server thus far as far as up and down time, being that we have to be connected to the internet the whole time? Granted population may be low at this time but am curious.

Havent dropped once, played all night...... its 445am

[Athlonic]

Havent dropped once, played all night...... its 445am

You Lucky Lucky Bas..rds !

:03:

[Denson]

Any pics of TDC, is it the same as in the beta, aka Win7 style?
if it's still win7 then:


Modder's Crew on the deck required!!!

[golani79]

Havent dropped once, played all night...... its 445am

Sounds like fun :)
I still have to wait till thursday ... meh ...

[thisdougsforu]

missouri


Where at in Missouri? I'm in St. Louis, MO and can't seem to find it!. If you could let me know it would make my Sunday much better!

[TheDarkWraith]

Ok, here is an update for you on the whole DRM thing. The game plays and ran fine when my internet connection was up. So, to test the whole DRM thing, I went to go to disable my ethernet adapter.

Now, I am not trying to scare anyone here, but I am almost 100% positive that I could always disable the adapter, even when a program was using the internet connection. But for whatever reason when I went to disable the adapter this time I got this:




I would like to get my hands on the xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx . Anyone care to share? I'm not buying SH5 due to the DRM btw.


You're not going to be posting here much longer either if you keep on this track. --NS

[CCIP]

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p301/myspb2006/fkwin.jpg

This baby will need a lot of work to truly live up to the DVD on the left, but I am very optimistic. She's looking fine and running stable.

Any info I can help clarify?

[danasan]

Hi CCIP,

can you confirm this by own experience, please?

Originally Posted by crashed97tsi http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images_acpb/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1282259#post1282259)
Ok, here is an update for you on the whole DRM thing. The game plays and ran fine when my internet connection was up. So, to test the whole DRM thing, I went to go to disable my ethernet adapter.

Now, I am not trying to scare anyone here, but I am almost 100% positive that I could always disable the adapter, even when a program was using the internet connection. But for whatever reason when I went to disable the adapter this time I got this:

Thanks

[CCIP]

I haven't tried disabling the adapter and frankly I don't see why I would do that while playing a game, but yes, this is true. Ubisoft's game launcher is a separate, resident program that is active all while the game is playing and takes up about 16mb RAM and a single (I think) network port while running. It generates no network traffic most of the time, in fact almost none at all. It closes and leaves the system memory the moment I close the game.

[Webster]

please keep in mind there is a line you should not cross when discussing the DRM protection and getting into details about how it works. posting anything about loopholes or work arounds can get you banned.

just a friendly reminder to be carefull with this topic

[danasan]

Don' t get me wrong please. I am not interested in any technical information anyway.

It is because of this:

On the board over there an "official" named BB_ScriptError (I don't know him at all, so blame me ) stated the following:

http://forums-de.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3431013487/m/9581067538/p/2 in German language

"Hallo zusammen,

bevor sich hier noch weiter Gerüchte verbreiten:
Es werden keinerlei Systemeinstellungen verändert, Treiber oder versteckte Programme installiert.
Insbesondere wird nicht in Windows eingegriffen, um dem Nutzer die Kontrolle über seine LAN Verbindung zu entziehen."

Roughly translated:

"Hello at all,

before rumor goes on here:
None of the system settings are changed, no drivers or hidden programs are installed.
Especially Windows is not touched to take control over the rights of the user dealing with the LAN connection."

That's the case why I am interested in.

Edit: Just for the record: I do not support pirating!

[snapli]

Don' t get me wrong please. I am not interested in any technical information anyway.

It is because of this:

On the board over there an "official" named BB_ScriptError (I don't know him at all, so blame me ) stated the following:

http://forums-de.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3431013487/m/9581067538/p/2 in German language

"Hallo zusammen,

bevor sich hier noch weiter Gerüchte verbreiten:
Es werden keinerlei Systemeinstellungen verändert, Treiber oder versteckte Programme installiert.
Insbesondere wird nicht in Windows eingegriffen, um dem Nutzer die Kontrolle über seine LAN Verbindung zu entziehen."

Roughly translated:

"Hello at all,

before rumor goes on here:
None of the system settings are changed, no drivers or hidden programs are installed.
Especially Windows is not touched to take control over the rights of the user dealing with the LAN connection."

That's the case why I am interested in.

Edit: Just for the record: I do not support pirating!

This is also some kind of rumor. As it looks to me, BB_ScriptError doesn't even have a copy of SH5 running.

The question is whether SH5 uses a seperate protocol rather than TCP/IP. Maybe one of you who's already playing SH5 can answer this ...?

[piri_reis]

The question is whether SH5 uses a seperate protocol rather than TCP/IP. Maybe one of you who's already playing SH5 can answer this ...?

It has to use IP encapsulated packets to get them from your machine across the network to UBI servers. That's Layer 3 traffic.
For Layer 4, it might be using TCP (most likely) or it's own protocol, which it would have to install to your computer. There's no reason they would just invent a new protocol. They are doing all the authorization, encryption and other communication in the Application layer. So I'm betting business as usual, TCP/IP under the hood, with their own application data...

Them preventing the disable Network Connection arises suspicion tho, looks like a kind of driver level software at work there..

[Onkel Neal]

So, the Ubisoft Cloud DRM is not allowing me to change a setting in MY COMPUTER. They are effectively taking control of that setting on my computer whenver their program is in use.

This is a BIG BIG deal to me, I've actually stopped playing to research this issue further. None of my other programs do this. As you can see from the screenshots, Steam has been running in the background the whole time.

I'm getting what I deserved for not doing more research. At least its supporting SH5 I guess.


Q: Why does the Ubisoft Game Launcher stop me from disabling my network connection?

A: The Ubisoft Game Launcher does not stop you from disabling the network connection. However, Windows does not allow you to stop a network connection that has an open encrypted connection. This is a feature of Windows, not the Ubisoft Game Launcher.

[ddrgn]

Q: Why does the Ubisoft Game Launcher stop me from disabling my network connection?

A: The Ubisoft Game Launcher does not stop you from disabling the network connection. However, Windows does not allow you to stop a network connection that has an open encrypted connection. This is a feature of Windows, not the Ubisoft Game Launcher.

Now that makes perfect sense.

[snapli]

True, this couldn't be a 'feature' invented by UBI, as the very same message showed up before and not in context of a game.

It'd still be interesting, though, whether UBI uses a standard protocol or not ;)

Cheers

[Jimbuna]

Q: Why does the Ubisoft Game Launcher stop me from disabling my network connection?

A: The Ubisoft Game Launcher does not stop you from disabling the network connection. However, Windows does not allow you to stop a network connection that has an open encrypted connection. This is a feature of Windows, not the Ubisoft Game Launcher.

Well cited Neal http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif