Come on you've got to be excited??

[rcjonessnp175]

I understand thiers alot of debates about drm, but lets not talk about that in this thread lets talk about all the good things that are soon approaching. I dont know about you but being able to walk through the sub is going to be bad ass. Plus all the awesome creations from the modding community!!
This is by far one of my favorite series of games, my deployments overseas were and still are made better with alittle sub action in between ops and on those downtime days. I think we should stop all the rediculous amounts of negative posts when we dont even have the game yet, rest assured it will have its faults but the modding community here is by far the best ive ever seen with a game series.

Just my two cents been out of loop for a bit and was kind of surprised by all the threads in here, didnt seem like the old Subsim i remembered.

Happy sailing

Jonesy:rock::rock:

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm excited. I would be more excited if it was the PTO with fleets but I will get over that. Watching Neals videos made me see that the game has some great potential. Just the water and sky gave me the feeling of the cold, hard, dreary North Atlantic. Having to walk the ladders and walk to compartments instead of just clicking a key to get there changed the whole game. Certainly game play has changed just by this bit of new idea! Real time approach, attack and departure have become something that is a must IMO. Honestly, a vessel encounter could take days depending on how much time one could put in for playing. Honestly, I do a lot of TC. No reason now. Now you can enjoy the entire boat in RL as you approach plans are executed. :up:

[FIREWALL]

Sorry but... It's just a game. :-?

[OakGroove]

Not much yet to get really excited about for a button pusher. We have some eyecandy aspects and a couple of previews. I will read what you guys have to say about it on day X.

[Iron Budokan]

Not really excited. I admit I'm curious to see what the overall impression of this game will be once it's released, however.

But excited? Frankly, no.

[Heretic]

Sorry but... It's just a game. :-?

Bingo! Go say that in one of the anti-DRM threads. See what kind of reception you get.

[scrapser]

I was up until I learned it was being published as a "sim-ette"...only one sub and a portion of the war to mess around with. Then there is the other big issue that I will not mention by name. But if you get it I do hope you find it enjoyable.

[Heretic]

I was up until I learned it was being published as a "sim-ette"...only one sub and a portion of the war to mess around with. Then there is the other big issue that I will not mention by name. But if you get it I do hope you find it enjoyable.

Posted by Neal up top:
The developers wanted to assure me, that although the interface is less "subsim-like" and the game is designed to be more approachable to new players with options like ship health bars and detection ranges, the simulation aspects have not been watered down.

[exponent8246]

Come on lads (and ladies)??

It might be a bit TOO polished (speach bubbles, highlighted men and dodgy animations) at the beginning and possibly a bit "arcadey" with the digital read-outs etc BUT just look at the series as a whole!!

Once the brilliant modders got their grubby little hands on both SH III and SH IV, the sim CAME ALIVE!!

Just give it a bit of time and patience and the true beauty and sheer immersion of the new SH V will become apparent once the mods come flowing through!!!!

I too was a little dissapointed with the DRM aspect but lets all just give it a fighting chance because me personally, i'm really, really looking forward to the potential fantastic future this series could (and will) turn out to have!!!

Mike.

:yeah:

PS: anybody have a spare GTX 295 lying around for the full gfx experience??:haha:

Time for an excuse to buy a new GFX card (of the FERMI variety)!!

[sav112]

Once the brilliant modders got their grubby little hands on both SH III and SH IV, the sim CAME ALIVE!!

Just give it a bit of time and patience and the true beauty and sheer immersion of the new SH V will become apparent once the mods come flowing through!!!!


To me that Sums up the series well, The game is rather poor out the box, not forgetting the many Bugs that will be spotted on day one some minor others game stoppers possibly. When did I really enjoy the series last when the last one I bought SH III was heavily Modded after probably a year after release. The Smoke, Water, Harbour traffic, Torpedo trails, improved Ship Ai, Better Dials and Sound and the list goes on and on. The Mod’s made SH III that’s for sure.

Has to come to this, that the game Company’s are relying on after Mod’s from hard working dedicated fans to finish off there game.:damn::damn::damn::damn::damn: That’s Sad and why partly my New PC from overclockers is on hold till something does come out that excites me like Carrier Command.

My plan if I buy it is six months or a year down the line when you can pick it up cheap and the Mods have done some great work.

[Schultzy]

I was really looking forward to it a few months back, but after learning about various aspects of the game and seeing Neal's vids, the excitement has evaporated and been replaced by more of a curiosity.

Now I'm actually rather more intrigued to see what those who buy it think about it after a few weeks of play, when the 'ohh-ahh' of the graphics and 1st person perspective wears off.

[Sailor Steve]

I too am interested to see how it all turns out.

But excited?

No, not really.

[exponent8246]

Hi sav112,

You are totally correct in what you have said mate.

Especially the carrier command bit!! (you mustve read my mind)???? :haha:

Ubi knows without any doubt that they are going to release a buggy, unfinished product and also know that they are creating a stir within the forums.
They will receive negative press about SH V for a while but once the modders start the magic, they will, all of a sudden find themselves with an award winning product that is matched by NOTHING!!

That is the level of praise and admiration I have for the people who devote their personal time to mod this simulation to level that it ABSOLUTELY WILL acheive!!!

The problem for me will be.....do I buy it from the start knowing that within 3-6 months, I will have to basically abandon a career in order to install a "supermod" and the answer is YES!!

Ubi did say something along the lines of: It will be a modders dream (thats how I read it anyway)!!:D

[sav112]

See I see it like this, I’d rather experience the game a year down the line with the super Mod as you say, the first time I play it in all its glory:salute:

Its like watching a pirate:arrgh!: Film for the first time that for some reason stops a few times when I’m watching it, the sound comes a goes and there is some mad line at the bottom of the screen and the picture is not the best quality and a bit blurry at times. Yes I can watch it but the enjoyment is affected.

Or do I watch the Film six months later in High definition, surround sound and plays flawless with the bought original, Knowing I can get stuck in and really enjoy the Film in all its glory.

I’d take the second option every time.

[exponent8246]

Fair enuf sav112 BUT.....

I would rather play it at its lowest ebb, then install the supermod etc and really get a true feel of how much of an improvement has been made.

Its similar to buying yout first HD tv (which I havent done yet but will do VERY soon), you watch your trusty old CRT screen for years then get an HD set then BAM....youre amazed at the quality and clarity!!

I only know this trough a mate getting an HD set for his xbox and the difference was just amazing!!!

I just want to sink ships in the atlantic (my favourite theatre) is what im saying bud.

[exponent8246]

"Or do I watch the Film six months later in High definition, surround sound and plays flawless with the bought original, Knowing I can get stuck in and really enjoy the Film in all its glory"

Good point though!!

Its original all the way for me too!! balls to that :arrgh!:****e!

[sav112]

I’ll probably do what did the last time with SHIII, buy it six months or later after release, install it, try it with just the official patches get an idea of the look and how the game plays.

Then a week or so later read up on all the Mod’s and get as will probably be the case a super mod with everything. Then start a career on my U-boat and sit back and enjoy.


I Remember following SHIII Mods and seeing the before and after pics without even owning the game. I still appreciated well on what was done. In Fact I think I appreciated what was done more as I got all the great Mods in one go and not downloaded then on there first release one by one.

But I understand some just want to get out there sinking as quick as they can.

[exponent8246]

"I Remember following SHIII Mods and seeing the before and after pics without even owning the game. I still appreciated well on what was done. In Fact I think I appreciated what was done more as I got all the great Mods in one go and not downloaded then on there first release one by one."

Good call.

Each to their own I guess huh??

Im a little gutted (and jealous) at the moment though coz know youve got a new build up and coming and my GTX285 blew up the other day which presents me with a problem........

Do I wait for FERMI (i'm an NVIDIA faithful) and just buy a new card or go for the full new-build???

What sort of biuld are you looking at?? Obvioulsy i7 (maybe 920 for overclocking)?? Or have I got it wrong????:hmmm:

[conus00]

I too am interested to see how it all turns out.

But excited?

No, not really.

That's exactly where I stand.

[HundertzehnGustav]

excited?
looks down. Hey lil Friend, you excited?

scratches head. The ex is coming by for a week, now thats a thing that gets me all excited.

But SHV?

[exponent8246]

HundertzehnGustav:

"excited?
looks down. Hey lil Friend, you excited?

scratches head. The ex is coming by for a week, now thats a thing that gets me all excited.

But SHV?"

"ive wasted my life" - Comic Book Guy - Simpsons (just before a comet strikes).

hahahaha

[rcjonessnp175]

Ya i was kind of figuring this is how everybody is feeling, i think the gaming industry is at a turning point. Game developers are either going to be knuckleheads and release unfinished products and rely on a mod community to fix thier faults or thier going to grow some balls and start producing products that fully perform in all aspects.
Its unfortunate that this series is starting to get watered down, but i have faith in the mod communitiy, ill be buying it right off the bat and ill post screens and my opinions once i have it but i have a feeling ill play it a few times then be disgruntled because im spoiled from sh4 and all its amazing mods.

Jonesy:o

[j_o_nn_y]

Your Talking about mods, but are you sure that the game can be modded and let you play through Ubisoft servers?. The minute you go online it might say you have an invalid copy and force you to reinstall it minus the mods/supermod.

[Nisgeis]

We can only go on what the devs have said, which is that the game will be highly moddable.

[EgoApocalypse]

See I see it like this, I’d rather experience the game a year down the line with the super Mod as you say, the first time I play it in all its glory:salute:

Its like watching a pirate:arrgh!: Film for the first time that for some reason stops a few times when I’m watching it, the sound comes a goes and there is some mad line at the bottom of the screen and the picture is not the best quality and a bit blurry at times. Yes I can watch it but the enjoyment is affected.

Or do I watch the Film six months later in High definition, surround sound and plays flawless with the bought original, Knowing I can get stuck in and really enjoy the Film in all its glory.

I’d take the second option every time.

Well put, Well put.:salute:

MMMMMMM!!!!!! SH5 super Mod:rock:

[Fantasm]

I WAS excited.... then I looked at the recent news and to be honest, as much as I'd like to buy the game, I don't think I have the Internet service to play it. After that, anything else is unimportant. Mine drops too often, and I'm capped, so I watch my usage. I'm not going to spend the bucks to get frustrated and find out it won't play well for me or that it will cause me overage charges to play it.
Prior to that revelation, I was excited, I have a good system, dual graphics cards, huge monitor and I was drooling for it... now, I'll probably buy a couple of cases of beer instead...

[Nisgeis]

now, I'll probably buy a couple of cases of beer instead...

Now there's a man with a viable and sensible alternative! :yeah:

[tommyk]

Not excited. Interested how ubi delivers SHV and looking forward to read the first reviews while still playing sh3/gwx (and enjoying it a lot)

[scrapser]

All entertainment software is and has been for some time now basically "fire and forget." Or to put it more simply....

It's a wind up toy that makes money until the spring unwinds or it breaks.
We (the consumers) are attracted to the wind up toy while it's unwinding and the company makes money while it has our attention.
Other companies note how much attention the wind up toy is getting and quickly wind up and release their own version to get in on the action.
Modders are those who aren't satisfied with what the wind up toy looks like or how fast it unwinds and prolong its life by changing its attractiveness and figuring out ways to add tension to the spring while it's unwinding, which benefits the company that originally wound it up and the consumers who continue to be mesmerized.
Rarely have modders been able to fix a toy with a broken spring.
Some people figure out ways to copy the wind up toy and power it with their own spring (they usually do this at home in their basement).
Now the wind up toys cannot be watched unless you have an Internet key to wind up the toy to see it in action. Even worse, it's getting so now you must keep the key in the toy while it's unwinding or it will stop working.
I liked it back in the old days when people wanted to make and play software simulations that emulated real life ships, tanks, and aircraft.

These wind up toys are making me dizzy.

[Danish_Squid]

I have SH5 preordered, I'm definetely not pro this DRM system but I will take offence to being compared to Vidkun Quisling, If namecalling is a necessety towards people that does not share ones own opinion, then one should try to check a dictionary under the words respect and tolerance.
I do know a lot of people that claim to fight for others rights.... what about the individual right to decide on your own purchasing regarding games. I'm also painfully aware of the hopelesness for people that have no way to use any game with this DRM, a friend of mine who is a pilot and is regularly stationed at small regional airfields have no way to play this game.
I can also approve of people holding on to their right not to purchase the game, respect, you have a stance and you hold it firm, cool great but don't loose that respect by attacking people that out of their own will decide to buy a game... it is "just" a piece of software!

I wasn't going to chime in here but the comment comparing people to a traitor for buying a game... please lighten up!

Staffan

[AVGWarhawk]

I WAS excited.... then I looked at the recent news and to be honest, as much as I'd like to buy the game, I don't think I have the Internet service to play it. After that, anything else is unimportant. Mine drops too often, and I'm capped, so I watch my usage. I'm not going to spend the bucks to get frustrated and find out it won't play well for me or that it will cause me overage charges to play it.
Prior to that revelation, I was excited, I have a good system, dual graphics cards, huge monitor and I was drooling for it... now, I'll probably buy a couple of cases of beer instead...


But keep an eye on it. To be sure, DRM is not forever in most cases. :yeah:

[Task Force]

Hmm, not really too intrested/ exited about SH5, all it seems to be is graphics, with a crew thingy, and a newish campaign scheme...

[scrapser]

But keep an eye on it. To be sure, DRM is not forever in most cases. :yeah:

I can back up this statement. I purchased a copy of SH3 last summer from Staples for $9.99 specifically because it has Starforce removed and use it in place of my original.

[Kapitanleutnant]

Attempting to be excited about half a game with the worst DRM in history...

...


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...


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Attempt unsuccessful.

[longam]

Getting that excited feeling the closer we get. It will be nice to have a new game to check out.

[jazman]

I'm indifferent, but keeping an open mind. Maybe a killer feature will emerge that makes this a "must buy". Maybe it'll be the stuff the modders do, they've done magic before.

[janh]

I remember when I was younger I was reading games magazines all the times and would full of excitement await new games a year ahead of time.

However, when you get older and have seen a lot, then it becomes a routine, and other things in your life will become much more important. Now it is "just a game", "just another thing competing for my rare time".

And, thus, it better has to be really good if it wants to conquer a spot on my harddrive (and displace another game) and get a spot in my evening schedules. Especially in summer, my PC remains often lonely for long times.

[3Dfr34k2009]

I will feel more excited when they removed the DRM on SH5.

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7907/ubidumb.jpg

[Sailor Steve]

Four posts, same picture every time.

Guess he doesn't have much to say.

[longam]

Four posts, same picture every time.

Guess he doesn't have much to say.

He's been trained well by the crew.

[MercurySeven]

But keep an eye on it. To be sure, DRM is not forever in most cases. :yeah:

The day they release a version without the DRM or a patch that drops the online requirement I will be excited. REALLY excited. For me, as for many others, this will be the actual release date as before this I am simply unable to play the thing. :cry:

UBI, have a heart! ... or at least some brains! :know:

[JU_88]

Four posts, same picture every time.

Guess he doesn't have much to say.

My guess?
3Dfr34k2009 is possibly an existing or brigged forum member pissing around with a second account
Theres been quite a bit of that going on recently. :shifty:

[Seafireliv]

I understand thiers alot of debates about drm, but lets not talk about that in this thread lets talk about all the good things that are soon approaching. I dont know about you but being able to walk through the sub is going to be bad ass. Plus all the awesome creations from the modding community!!
This is by far one of my favorite series of games, my deployments overseas were and still are made better with alittle sub action in between ops and on those downtime days. I think we should stop all the rediculous amounts of negative posts when we dont even have the game yet, rest assured it will have its faults but the modding community here is by far the best ive ever seen with a game series.

Just my two cents been out of loop for a bit and was kind of surprised by all the threads in here, didnt seem like the old Subsim i remembered.

Happy sailing

Jonesy:rock::rock:


It`s not like the old subsim you remembered because UBI are not like the old UBI we remembered. Blame UBI for the differences, not us.

[JScones]

Not really excited. I admit I'm curious to see what the overall impression of this game will be once it's released, however.

But excited? Frankly, no.
Prolly about the best way to explain my feelings on the subject as well.

I am, however, excited to be getting a new computer in the next few days. :rock:

[rascal101]

Sorry my friend and fellow subsimmer but your request is like saying lets have a conversation about WW2 without mentioning Adolf Hitler

Think about what you are saying - As has been mentioned in 100's of threads, there are many SubSimmer's, your fellow forum members - who cant or wont buy the game because they simply do not have the kind of reliable internet that you obviously do, either their country does not offer the kind of internet you take for granted, or it costs too much
the costs therein make it impossible to consider.

By purchasing the game and ignoring their concerns you are simply saying up-yours to them - so in honesty you cannot discuss SH5 with out disusing DRM

Best Regards
R

RI understand thiers alot of debates about drm, but lets not talk about that in this thread lets talk about all the good things that are soon approaching. I dont know about you but being able to walk through the sub is going to be bad ass. Plus all the awesome creations from the modding community!!
This is by far one of my favorite series of games, my deployments overseas were and still are made better with alittle sub action in between ops and on those downtime days. I think we should stop all the rediculous amounts of negative posts when we dont even have the game yet, rest assured it will have its faults but the modding community here is by far the best ive ever seen with a game series.

Just my two cents been out of loop for a bit and was kind of surprised by all the threads in here, didnt seem like the old Subsim i remembered.

Happy sailing

Jonesy:rock::rock:

[Méo]

By purchasing the game and ignoring their concerns you are simply saying up-yours to them - so in honesty you cannot discuss SH5 with out disusing DRM

Best Regards
R

R

Ok so you're trying to make me feel culpable for buying it (another one :nope:)

And you argue that a substantial part of PC customers can afford a computer that currently runs SH5 and is in the impossibility to get a reasonable internet connection - and you expect me to believe this without any real evidence? :nope::nope::nope:

I will do this simply to rub it in the faces of people like you who are trying to bully and shame me into not buying it.

I really wish you would all quit with this attitude. Letum's right - you're pissing people off. Me included also.

[Méo]

By purchasing the game and ignoring their concerns you are simply saying up-yours to them

You know what? I'm really sick of people trying to get their point with 'blameworthiness'


Blameworthy for driving a gas car...

Blameworthy for eating meat..

Blameworthy for wasting food..

I'm certainly not gonna feel bad for playing a computer GAME

[jwilliams]

And you argue that a substantial part of PC customers can afford a computer that currently runs SH5 and is in the impossibility to get a reasonable internet connection - and you expect me to believe this without any real evidence? :nope::nope::nope:lucky you!!!

Here in NZ... i could prob get away with the OSP.... but by no means is the internet fast or stable...

the plan im on is ADSL2 and is "as fast as your phoneline will allow"

i live in a city so its prob faster than most people in NZ.

my max download speed at (off peak times, early hour of the morning) is only 200 Kbps ( a fraction of what most people get). and around 100 Kbps at most times. it has dropped as low as 35 Kbps during peak usage.

there is no other alernative. this is the best i can get in NZ no matter how much i pay( unless i pay to get the county wired with fiber-optics)

So some people arnt as lucky as you.

http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/Images/commentarynews/broadbandspeedchart.jpg

[Greentimbers]

You know what? I'm really sick of people trying to get their point with 'blameworthiness'


Blameworthy for driving a gas car...

Blameworthy for eating meat..

Blameworthy for wasting food..

I'm certainly not gonna feel bad for playing a computer GAME

+1

:salute:

[Méo]

It already been said before by someone from Ubi that the amount of information sent is very low, and for a period of 10 hours of playing it would have sent something equivalent to 2 Mio.

You can ask Neal for the link of the interview (it was a phone interview with Neal)

and they (Ubi) already said that it could be possible to play with the lowest DSL, again you can ask Neal, he already said that.

[jwilliams]

yeah 50Kbps..... oh look... my speed sometimes drops to 35 Kbps..... mmmmmm guess im gonna get alot of lag at peak times. which is every evening and every weekend, which just heppens to be when i can play games. And lag = game pauses.
:nope:
so yeah lucky you for having a fast connection..... i have no choice

im not saying you shouldnt buy the game.... im just correcting ur statement about "people can build pc but cant afford fast internet".

[Méo]

my speed sometimes drops to 35 Kbps...

And there's really no other alternatives?

I don't know seems like 2 Mio in 10 hours is not a hassle?

I'm sorry for you, I guess you have never played GWX 3.0

[jwilliams]

And there's really no other alternatives?

I don't know seems like 2 Mio in 10 hours is not a hassle?

I'm sorry for you, I guess you have never played GWX 3.0


No, no other alternatives.... all ISP use the same lines (one company owns the lines and rents them to other ISP's).

whats playing gwx gotta do with internet speed???

if ur refering to downloading the mod... i already downloaded it... i dont need to be online to play so my internet speed has nothing to do with playing gwx 3.

[Méo]

whats playing gwx gotta do with internet speed???

if ur refering to downloading the mod... i already downloaded it... i dont need to be online to play so my internet speed has nothing to do with playing gwx 3.

I know you don't need to be online but it's a 1.33 GB

lbut by no means is the internet fast or stable...

my speed sometimes drops to 35 Kbps..

It must have taken you a whole year to download it. :hmmm:

[IanC]

http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/Images/commentarynews/broadbandspeedchart.jpg

Btw anybody know why Japan and Korea get such ridiculously high speeds? :o

[jwilliams]

I know you don't need to be online but it's a 1.33 GB





It must have taken you a whole year to download it. :hmmm:

yeah left if downloading overnight. about 8 hrs (using utorrent so if it disconnected i wouldnt have lost or had a corrupt file).

its not the size of the file... its what it need per sec thats the prob..... most of the time my speed is over 100 Kbps... but during peak usage it sometime drops to 35 Kbps and if OSP uses 50 Kbps then, sometime when my speed drops low then SH5 would pause..

Sure i could play SH5 (if ubi servers are stable) I'm not saying i can't. I may have the odd pause. I may even lose the last 2hrs of my patrol if OSP doesn't save if i lose connection. But some people have worse internet than me and for you to state "if you can afford to buy a PC, then you can afford better internet" just shows how little you know about internet in rural areas and other counties.

[Seafireliv]

You know what? I'm really sick of people trying to get their point with 'blameworthiness'


Blameworthy for driving a gas car...

Blameworthy for eating meat..

Blameworthy for wasting food..

I'm certainly not gonna feel bad for playing a computer GAME


And no GAME is so important as to have such a drastic DRM.

[Nisgeis]

Btw anybody know why Japan and Korea get such ridiculously high speeds? :o

In Japan they all live about two feet from their neighbour, so their cable runs are very short to the nearest street cabinet, as it's all really dense. Plus their cable is newer, due to lots of it being damaged through area bombing in WWII. They've also got much heavier government control on broadband quality. In Korea, online gaming is like a national sport, with Starcraft matches being televised with miliions of viewers. They're also a massive MMORPG market as well.

[FiL]

I understand thiers alot of debates about drm, but lets not talk about that in this thread lets talk about all the good things that are soon approaching. I dont know about you but being able to walk through the sub is going to be bad ass. Plus all the awesome creations from the modding community!!
This is by far one of my favorite series of games, my deployments overseas were and still are made better with alittle sub action in between ops and on those downtime days. I think we should stop all the rediculous amounts of negative posts when we dont even have the game yet, rest assured it will have its faults but the modding community here is by far the best ive ever seen with a game series.

Just my two cents been out of loop for a bit and was kind of surprised by all the threads in here, didnt seem like the old Subsim i remembered.

Happy sailing

Jonesy:rock::rock:

Hello
Thanks for your greetings oh Happy Sailing.
I feel a little less excited than at the SHIII release which was a really good moment for many people here. ;)
But I'm sure I'll run to see what SHV is like and probably I'll enjoy it.
@@++

[IanC]

In Japan they all live about two feet from their neighbour, so their cable runs are very short to the nearest street cabinet, as it's all really dense. Plus their cable is newer, due to lots of it being damaged through area bombing in WWII. They've also got much heavier government control on broadband quality. In Korea, online gaming is like a national sport, with Starcraft matches being televised with miliions of viewers. They're also a massive MMORPG market as well.

Thanks, that makes sense.

[Sharkfin]

My guess about Japan and Korea is, that they already make extensive use of fibre glass technology which ist much much faster than the good old copper lines....unfortunately fibre tech is much more expensive therefore in most countries copper still rules the market.

[Méo]

And no GAME is so important as to have such a drastic DRM.

Then tell it to Ubi guys, I guess they are gonna tell you that this game is enough important for them since their paychecks depend on it.

[Méo]

just shows how little you know about internet in rural areas and other counties.

Ok, maybe you know better, maybe I can learn something?

However don't expect me to believe everything you say, show me some real evidence.

[Galanti]

The complete failure of the UI as an immersive device aside, I'm a little excited, if only because I'm eager to see if the new approach will actually make the sim more immersive, but in a different way that I'm accustomed to. I'm curious to see of they've managed to succeed in convincing the player that he is more of a kaleun, and less of a jack-all-of-trades. So far, with a few caveats, it's looking good from that perspective.

However, I'm not looking forward to the months, if not years, before mods, patches and DRM removal finally make it into a product I will play over and over again.

[TDK1044]

Saddened not excited. :)

[martes86]

I'm actually eager to see how all this turns out, and how everyone ends up buying it. :D

[oscar19681]

I understand thiers alot of debates about drm, but lets not talk about that in this thread lets talk about all the good things that are soon approaching. I dont know about you but being able to walk through the sub is going to be bad ass. Plus all the awesome creations from the modding community!!
This is by far one of my favorite series of games, my deployments overseas were and still are made better with alittle sub action in between ops and on those downtime days. I think we should stop all the rediculous amounts of negative posts when we dont even have the game yet, rest assured it will have its faults but the modding community here is by far the best ive ever seen with a game series.

Just my two cents been out of loop for a bit and was kind of surprised by all the threads in here, didnt seem like the old Subsim i remembered.

Happy sailing

Jonesy:rock::rock:

Oh boy i am indeed exited! Its like my birthday is on the 4th!

[dannygjk]

Brace yourselves, here comes a rave:

Maybe I will just go back to spending most of my spare time coding. Why? Well, when I used to be a coding freak, at least I had total control over all aspects of the project I was working on. Granted, being a practicing programming addict was seriously detrimental to any and all relationships, (romantic and friendships), but at least I had the satisfaction of deciding whether something was worth making optional.

I also never stopped working on a project if there were any serious/annoying bugs/problems. All work I did was a labor of love, even if now and then I did a favor for someone and they tossed me a few bucks.

Which brings me to the next point. The majority of games I have ever played I have found serious bugs/problems within 24 hours. This amazes me considering the big list of testers you find in the credits. If I was a tester, it wouldn't be long before I was found floating belly-up in the local river.

It is so frustrating, (I suppose more so for anyone who has written their own small projects), when something is wrong/annoying with a game, and design decisions/copy protection/management decisions make it difficult to remedy the situation.

Yes, these games are huge, complex projects. However, there are also big teams and big money involved.

Next point. Why don't they do some research and get the historical aspects right? Time is money, yes. But I'm willing to wager that the amount of time required to be historically correct is tiny compared to the time needed for the rest of the definition/design/implementation/debugging process.

Sigh, I was so happy when I was making my own games. I'll probably go back to it and spend less time and money on the commercial games.

Danny

[Nordmann]

I'm more exited about NTW, I have my box sitting in front of me, but have to wait for Steam to unlock the game at 12.00am GMT! Damn them!

[martes86]

Granted, being a practicing programming addict was seriously detrimental to any and all relationships, (romantic and friendships), but at least I had the satisfaction of deciding whether something was worth making optional.

Become a professional business (not videogames) programmer, and you'll end up wanting time away from a computer, which would solve your problems, while still conserving your geekness (professional geek speaking :salute: ). :yep:

[Heretic]

I'm excited for what the game is now and even more for what it will become. Yes, it'll have its share of bugs and I'm sure the DRM will give me fits at times. I was fully aware of that when I ordered it. Considering how many $50 games I've bought and tossed aside after a couple of hours, I have no doubt I'll get many times my money's worth out of this one. :woot:

[Heretic]

Become a professional business (not videogames) programmer, and you'll end up wanting time away from a computer, which would solve your problems, while still conserving your geekness (professional geek speaking :salute: ). :yep:

COBOL!!:rock: (yeah, I'm a dinosaur)
I come home after sitting in front of my computer and... sit in front of my computer.:yeah:

[Méo]

Yes, it'll have its share of bugs and I'm sure the DRM will give me fits at times.

I expect some people will be willing to burn you alive for this sentence.

But it won't be me. ;)

[ceki]

I'm not excited about SH5 just like I wasn't when SH4 is announced. What it looks to me it will be just like SH4. Just a show of graphics. Nothing more. Gameplay spirit like in SH3 is missed by way too much, hej but that is my opinion. I don't like it and I won't buy it.:down:

[Méo]

I don't like it and I won't buy it.:down:

it reminds me something...

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- I don't like sushis!!

- Have you tasted it?

- No...

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At least if people would say such things after trying the demo...

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Do what you wish mate..;)

[Seafireliv]

I'm more exited about NTW, I have my box sitting in front of me, but have to wait for Steam to unlock the game at 12.00am GMT! Damn them!


ETW was awful and NTW was just ETW 2.0 the FIX, the game that SHOULD have been released in the very beginining a year ago. but NTW buyers are just paying twice for the same thing. At least your consistent, I guess in that you`ll take DRM crap from SH5 too. All draconian cheating game companies are safe with you.


The days when i used to be so excited about a game that i couldn`t sleep at night are long gone. I have seen far too many disappointments and this 24\7 DRM just helps me to be so unexcited a nurse would have problems finding my pulse!

[St. Cobra]

I like NTW, don't see the gripe. and I enjoy becoming excited about a new game. Maybe you need a new hobby? :)

[rcjonessnp175]

silly noobish question what game is NTW??:oops:

[Jimbuna]

silly noobish question what game is NTW??:oops:

Napolean Total War

[rcjonessnp175]

aaahh Duh thanks:yeah:

[Seafireliv]

I like NTW, don't see the gripe. and I enjoy becoming excited about a new game. Maybe you need a new hobby? :)


This isn`t a hobby. It`s just a game I might or might not play.

[Méo]

What's funny is that very few people seems to be really interested in SH5...

...and there's nearly 33 500 posts and the game is not even release yet. :O:

[The Enigma]

I was exited, before the ubisoft announcement.

Now I'm only curious about when they gonna remove it.
And if they have removed it, THEN I'm going to be exited.
Meanwhile.... I'm playing my fresh new SH4 gold without DRM :DL

[jwilliams]

Ok, maybe you know better, maybe I can learn something?

However don't expect me to believe everything you say, show me some real evidence.

i posted a graph that shows internet speed (average for each county) isnt that enough proof for you???

But if thats not enough :-
The crap internet speeds in New Zealand youtube video = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-h1DmuqqdM
This was a local test... imagine how much slower it is to talk to the US or europe (which is prob where ubi's servers are).

also:-

New Zealand internet, why so slow and expensive

To maximise profits, ISP’s purchase a fixed amount of traffic from the Southern Cross cable (the connections that allows you and me communicate with the rest of the world via the internet) and then unfortunately tend to over subscribe that line and generally neglect to increase that traffic as the lines fill up with customers. The end result of that is when 3:30pm hits and all the school children get home and begin updating their Bebo and playing their favourite Youtube videos the internet slows down. This is the major reason why ISP’s start out being so good but as their popularity increase their broadband speed decreases.http://www.geekzone.co.nz/cyberhub/5737

and if thats not enough proof then i suggest that you might want to google

[Méo]

i posted a graph that shows internet speed (average for each county) isnt that enough proof for you???

Look at your graph: it says ''broadband'' ...as far as I know broadband is not the only way to access internet...(I don't even have broadband myself)

About your video, I see something made by someone and not a serious documentation that describe the global situation in your country as a whole.

About the other link, again only about broadband.

Anyway... nevermind.

[Leandros]

https://buy.metaboli.com/vnt/choixpaiement.html?partenaire=3&id_titre=1804&langue_page=en&affilie=news02uk&mode_achat=acheter

[Nisgeis]

Look at your graph: it says ''broadband'' ...as far as I know broadband is not the only way to access internet...(I don't even have broadband myself)

Hi Meo,

here's a link about the state of Britain's broadband. 'Broadband' cover optical, cable and copper cables. But in some places there is only the choice of broadband over copper and it's not always good quality copper either. I'm not talking remote areas here, I'm talking captial cities.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/5546288/Gordon-Brown-pledges-broadband-for-all-amid-claims-millions-will-be-denied-service.html

As you can see, the pledge is to get a minimum standard of 2 meg for all, so that does corroborate jwilliams' graph for the UK.

[jwilliams]

Look at your graph: it says ''broadband'' ...as far as I know broadband is not the only way to access internet...(I don't even have broadband myself)

About your video, I see something made by someone and not a serious documentation that describe the global situation in your country as a whole.

About the other link, again only about broadband.

Anyway... nevermind.

/sigh.

New Zealand's covage of cable and satalite is limited. Guess counties with small populations dont have the resorces. In time NZ internet will catch up with the rest of the world but until then. it will be slow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_New_Zealand

I cant see any other way to prove to you that other counties dont have the same internet speeds as you. this will be my last post on the subject.

[Méo]

Hi Meo,

here's a link about the state of Britain's broadband. 'Broadband' cover optical, cable and copper cables. But in some places there is only the choice of broadband over copper and it's not always good quality copper either. I'm not talking remote areas here, I'm talking captial cities.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/5546288/Gordon-Brown-pledges-broadband-for-all-amid-claims-millions-will-be-denied-service.html

As you can see, the pledge is to get a minimum standard of 2 meg for all, so that does corroborate jwilliams' graph for the UK.

Ok, no offence but I fail to see what is has to do with my previous posts.

I never said his graph was wrong, I said it shows only broadband and it doesn't show the global situation of internet accessibility.

The point of all this is that if the internet connection speed (and stability) required for SH5 is not at the reach of the large majority of PC gamers then yeah it's crazy, but I would be somewhat surprised.

[longam]

Nobody else gona post it so I guess i will..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-LbvFckptY

[Nisgeis]

I don't get what you mean by 'only broadband' ?

[jwilliams]

Nobody else gona post it so I guess i will..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-LbvFckptY


This video contains content from Vevo, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.

:damn:


what is it?????

[Méo]

I don't get what you mean by 'only broadband' ?

It doesn't show DSL

Again this is my point:

The point of all this is that if the internet connection speed (and stability) required for SH5 is not at the reach of the large majority of PC gamers then yeah it's crazy, but I would be somewhat surprised.

[oscar19681]

:damn:


what is it?????

I think it has something to do with the soundtrack.

[Nisgeis]

It doesn't show DSL

DSL is a type of broadband.

[jwilliams]

It doesn't show DSL

Again this is my point:

The point of all this is that if the internet connection speed (and stability) required for SH5 is not at the reach of the large majority of PC gamers then yeah it's crazy, but I would be somewhat surprised.

is DSL not broadband????

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband

The various forms of digital subscriber line (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_subscriber_line) (DSL) services are broadband in the sense that digital information is sent over a high-bandwidth channel (located above the baseband (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseband) voice channel on a single pair of wires).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband#cite_note-autogenerated1-1)


I have Broadband (ADSL2)

[Méo]

I thought it meant cable

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_New_Zealand
Download speeds can range from 256 kbit/s to 7.6 Mbit/smost households receive an average of 1Mbit/s to 3 Mbit/s per lineIf Neal's phone conversation with Ubi is correct, you should be able to play it.

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And I still stand by my point:

The point of all this is that if the internet connection speed (and stability) required for SH5 is not at the reach of the large majority of PC gamers then yeah it's crazy, but I would be somewhat surprised.

[mookiemookie]

:damn:


what is it?????

"I'm So Excited" by the Pointer Sisters.

ETW was awful and NTW was just ETW 2.0 the FIX, the game that SHOULD have been released in the very beginining a year ago. but NTW buyers are just paying twice for the same thing. At least your consistent, I guess in that you`ll take DRM crap from SH5 too. All draconian cheating game companies are safe with you.

You have a real crappy attitude. Quit attacking/insulting other members.

[Méo]

You have a real crappy attitude. Quit attacking/insulting other members.

I already know what he'll say: ''who are you to tell me what to do'':nope:

[jwilliams]

I thought it meant cable

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_New_Zealand
If Neal's phone conversation with Ubi is correct, you should be able to play it.

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And I still stand by my point:

The point of all this is that if the internet connection speed (and stability) required for SH5 is not at the reach of the large majority of PC gamers then yeah it's crazy, but I would be somewhat surprised.

Yes most not all (and prob less than most a peak times).
and as for playing SH5. i never stated that i couldnt
See post #56

my intension wasnt to say i could't play. Was more to show that as you stated "If you can afford to build a PC, then you can afford to get better internet" is not the case.

[ReFaN]

I'm so excited, and I just can't hide it
I'm about to lose control and I think I like it
I'm so excited, and I just can't hide it
And I know, I know, I know, I know
I know I want you


:rock:

[Sailor Steve]

Thanks a lot! Now I'm gonna have that song stuck in my head all day!

I HATE YOU!!!!:O::D

[ReFaN]

Thanks a lot! Now I'm gonna have that song stuck in my head all day!

I HATE YOU!!!!:O::D


Let's get excited, (woh) we just can't hide it (no-no-no-o)
I'm about to lose control and I think I like it
I'm so excited, and I just can't hide it (no-no)
I know, I know, I know, I know
I know I want you, I want you

[longam]

:haha: Steve

[Méo]

Yes most not all (and prob less than most a peak times).

I finally found it:

Me: Per our phone conversation, let me share some thoughts with you. You mentioned a detailed message explaining the exact nature and characteristics of the DRM, I think that's a good idea. It should as accurate as possible. What is it, how does it work, what kind of load times can a player expect, server up-time, and how will it affect the gameplay?




Hi Neal,

Thanks again for your email and the many salient points that you bring up. There is a lot of stuff in there and I hope to cover it all!

In a nutshell, our online services system was designed for two main purposes: to help combat piracy and to allow us to offer services to our customers that had been specifically asked for by them. Obviously we're not able to give out all of the details about how it works - we're not here to give a head start to hackers - but I know that the main focus of many comments is regarding the permanent online connection requirement.

Basically the online connection allows us to periodically authenticate users - specifically to ensure that only one person is using an account at a time. And of course it allows us to save games so that the player can re-access the game from wherever they left off and on any computer where they have installed the game. The permanent online requirement is clearly stated on the front and back of every box and we are working with our online partners to ensure that it's noted on their product pages too, as well as included in all point-of-purchase marketing materials. We're making every effort to ensure that anyone who buys our products that include the online services system will understand this requirement before purchasing the game.

The system of course sends information to our servers. The only personal information that it sends it that which is required to sign up for a Ubisoft account. The actual exchange of information while playing the game is very minimal. Players will only need the minimal broadband connection and the game runs with less that 50 kbit per second. For example, if you play Assassin's Creed II for a total of 20 hours, the game will have only transferred 2 MB of data. The game play won't be affected by such small amount of data.

It's clear that the community is sceptical that this platform will be crack-proof and that is understandable. But I cannot stress strongly enough the effect that piracy has had on the PC market. If you want to scale it back to the very basic - we feel that this effort to combat piracy allows us to continue investing creative resources into PC development.

Can we guarantee that the platform is crack-proof? I guess it's impossible to make that guarantee but I can say that we would not be releasing the system if we didn't believe that it's worth its salt.

Do we know that this kind of thing is bothersome to a certain group of gamers? Absolutely. And we're not happy to be frustrating a group of people who play our games. But we do feel that the services that we can offer with the system offset some of the frustration and, more importantly, the efforts that we put into limiting piracy will ensure that Ubisoft can continue investing in developing true AAA game experiences for PC gamers..

Thanks again!IF THIS IS REALLY TRUE:

for a total of 20 hours, the game will have only transferred 2 MB of data.Looks like it's really not a huge transfer of data.

Altough I have no idea about the amount of data transferred for saving purpose.

[DedEye]

When I first saw the news that SH5 was coming, I was very excited.

I have since become decidedly less so for numerous reasons, many of which have been posted by others on these boards, and we don't want to flog a dead horse. There are many things I do like from what I see, but that excitement is tempered.

I bought SH3 and 4 sight unseen at a time when I had already become much more careful about which games I would pre-order and which ones I would wait for reviews. Save for the initial trouble with starforce, I don't regret those decisions.

At that time however, the next best thing was SH2; 3 was quite a leap forward, and 4 was fleetboats. Right now I'm playing SH4 with Operation Monsun and having a great time :rock:. I'll wait and see on this one.