It is done......

[AVGWarhawk]

order placed through SS Amazon? I await at the door for the USPS to arrive with my box. I will have my soup! :D

[Andrew82]

order placed through SS Amazon? I await at the door for the USPS to arrive with my box. I will have my soup! :D

Me 2! Now we wait..... :zzz:

[Méo]

order placed through SS Amazon

I did the same yesterday. ;)

[Nisgeis]

Deliver rapidly mailman!

[java`s revenge]

I`ll buy it in a shop.

I can remember that i ordered a game in the past and
the game was earlier to buy in a shop than that i had pre-ordered online.

[The Enigma]

I just found a message from Amazon in my mailbox, stating that my order has been shipped.

YES!!!
























Uh, sorry but its my SH4 Gold order'. :03:

[Heretic]

This seems as good a time as any to pull the trigger.

[Elder-Pirate]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1278077#post1278077)
order placed through SS Amazon? I await at the door for the USPS to arrive with my box. I will have my soup! :D


Me 2! Now we wait..... :zzz:


"Picks up phone.........dials 911".......Operator need ambulance quick. Two SumSimers ordered poison for their soup........Please hurry. :rotfl2:

[AVGWarhawk]

This seems as good a time as any to pull the trigger.

That was what I was thinking. :)

[piri_reis]

Good luck guys!

[mookiemookie]

I think I'll be visiting Best Buy when they open on 3/2. No sense in paying for shipping.

[AVGWarhawk]

I think I'll be visiting Best Buy when they open on 3/2. No sense in paying for shipping.


Shipping...$4.58. Subsim gets a bit of the sale and site stays open. I sit at home and save some of my carbon footprint by not driving to the store. I save some gas. I also save money as my kids usually got to Best Buy with me and I end up spending $100.00. There is a method to the madness! :03: :O:

[FIREWALL]

order placed through SS Amazon? I await at the door for the USPS to arrive with my box. I will have my soup! :D

Me 2! Now we wait..... :zzz:

I did the same yesterday. ;)

Deliver rapidly mailman!

And then it doesn't arrive. :wah: And... you get a email from UBI that it will be shipped 4-1-2010 :haha:

[AVGWarhawk]

And then it doesn't arrive. :wah: And... you get a email from UBI that it will be shipped 4-1-2010 :haha:


No worries...I play SH4 or Fallout 3 until it arrives :O:

[Seafireliv]

I just don`t get you people. I suppose you`d sell your grandmas too if UBI requuired it.:damn:

We won`t win the war anytime soon at this rate.

[AVGWarhawk]

I just don`t get you people. I suppose you`d sell your grandmas too if UBI requuired it.:damn:

We won`t win the war anytime soon at this rate.


Both my Grandmas are dead. So, that would not work for me. I did not know we're at war with UBI. Last time I checked UBI did nothing to me. I enjoy the SH series as well as the other UBI games I have. So what is the problem:06:

[Heretic]

Both my Grandmas are dead. So, that would not work for me. I did not know we're at war with UBI. Last time I checked UBI did nothing to me. I enjoy the SH series as well as the othe UBI games I have. So what is the problem:06:
I guess some people just take it as a personal affront if you don't share their level of outrage over their pet issue. They apparently think insulting people and generally being as annoying as possible is a dandy way to win people over to their side. Kinda reminds me of PETA. Now there's an effective advocacy group.

[Elder-Pirate]

Both my Grandmas are dead. So, that would not work for me. I did not know we're at war with UBI. Last time I checked UBI did nothing to me. I enjoy the SH series as well as the other UBI games I have. So what is the problem:06:


So are mine but I got the point. And I think you did too.

But so be it, for all of us do have their rights to an opinion. Sometimes that's a shame.


And as someone else already quoted in this thread: Good luck guys.

[AVGWarhawk]

I just spent some more time looking at the videos Neal posted. The game looks very good to me. The environment looks like the cold gray north Atlantic. The sub itself is really cool with all the rooms now added. Finally, I'm a captain barking out orders. So it has a bit of an acade look. Don't they all out of the box? These things will be modded eventually. As far as DRM...I see it not lasting a long time to be honest. I do not find it a personal affront that DRM is used. I enjoy the hell out of the SH series and other UBI games. I really do not see the issue.

[AVGWarhawk]

So are mine but I got the point. And I think you did too.

But so be it, for all of us do have their rights to an opinion. Sometimes that's a shame.


And as someone else already quoted in this thread: Good luck guys.

Sure I got the point but I must have missed the meeting where I was at war with UBI over what? I'm not sure. Again, I enjoy the hell out of UBI games. SH series is just a few that I own. My kids play them and love them. So, this installment does not sit well with some.

[kylania]

I guess some people just take it as a personal affront if you don't share their level of outrage over their pet issue. They apparently think insulting people and generally being as annoying as possible is a dandy way to win people over to their side. Kinda reminds me of PETA. Now there's an effective advocacy group.

While we shouldn't be personally insulting each other, we also shouldn't be happily forking over money and acting like Ubisoft is doing us a favor either.

You're being treated as a criminal by Ubisoft and you're having to pay for the honor. You're under house arrest. The instant your paid for game goes off line (or the instant Ubisoft's notoriously badly run servers do the same) you get cut off from using the product you only really "rented" at full purchase price.

How everyone is not outraged at this is beyond me. Why anyone would want to support this kind of penalty against paying customers is beyond me as well. Yet in this thread several people are downright PROUD to support the most ill conceived and ridiculous DRM policy ever put in place.

Personally I won't really affect me. I have high speed constant connections at home and at work and I don't travel with a laptop or anything (though the few times I have SH3 was on it!). But at the same time it's painfully clear that Ubisoft is directly attacking their paying customers in the name of fighting piracy and this system is NOT the way to protect their product.

That's why I'm NOT buying this product while Ubisoft treats their customers like criminals while the real criminals get to enjoy their games just fine.*


* as in those that simply hack the game, not the few who buy the game and don't realize how bad an idea this DRM thing is.

[AVGWarhawk]

How everyone is not outraged at this is beyond me.


Not eveyone is outraged. It is what it is. UBI doing me a favor? I do not see it that way. I see some entertainment coming my way. So it has DRM. Not the first game that I have owned that phone home. It makes no difference to me. It is that simple. :yeah: You have labeled yourself as a criminal. To be honest your distaste is venting the wrong way. Go after those that do steal games. These folks are the true root cause for protection.

[Méo]

I just don`t get you people. I suppose you`d sell your grandmas too if UBI requuired it.:damn:

So you compare selling my grandma and playing a computer game that connects itself to internet when I'm always connected anyway? :nope:

You don't want to buy it, Fine.

But if you get mad just because some people doesn't share your opinion, that's another thing...


They apparently think insulting people and generally being as annoying as possible is a dandy way to win people over to their side.

100% Agree

[mookiemookie]

I just don`t get you people. I suppose you`d sell your grandmas too if UBI requuired it.:damn:

We won`t win the war anytime soon at this rate.

You make your purchasing decision, I'll make my own. I don't owe you or anyone else anything more than that.

[Nisgeis]

How everyone is not outraged at this is beyond me. Why anyone would want to support this kind of penalty against paying customers is beyond me as well. Yet in this thread several people are downright PROUD to support the most ill conceived and ridiculous DRM policy ever put in place.

I've been quite vocal about how stupid DRM is, but buying or not buying SH5 won't make a damn bit of difference, as it's such small potatoes. The real damage will be for the big hitters like AC2 to not sell well. Am I going to buy that? NO! Why? To punish Ubi. SH5 is so tiny and insignificant that they'll write lack of interest off to a waning of the genre. There are no console sales to compare against, like with AC2, where the damage will show.

What else will I be doing? Well, I'll be reviewing AC2 and saying that I won't be buying it because of the DRM and will be voting it as one star on amazon. I hope a lot of other people do too (hint hint :-). Us gamers know how to use the internet like that.

I do want to support SH5 and to make that support clear, I will be buying the collector's or special edition. I also do not support DRM and have argued against the 'fanboys' who say it will be great, when quite clearly it will stop people who could have played the game from doing so. I will continue to say how poor it is and when I have purchased the game and sufferred the true horror of DRM, you can bet I'll be in the 'official' forum and posting if I get problems and complaining about it for real, not just with the conjecture shown here.

I hope that makes my position clear. If you made it this far, thanks for reading it all :-).

[Highbury]

Well, I'll be reviewing AC2 and saying that I won't be buying it because of the DRM and will be voting it as one star on amazon.

How can you review it without buying it, or know a rating without playing.

That seems childish if you ask me.

[AVGWarhawk]

Darn, I did not know posting that I made my purchase of the game would produce explosive diarrhea for those that did not agree with my decision to purchase. Astonishing! :hmmm:

Is that that the postman coming down the street:hmmm: :O:

[AVGWarhawk]

How can you review it without buying it, or know a rating without playing.

That seems childish if you ask me.


No less childish than what is going on here. Do you agree?

[bigboywooly]

I`ll buy it in a shop.

I can remember that i ordered a game in the past and
the game was earlier to buy in a shop than that i had pre-ordered online.

You may have a point

This item will be released on March 5, 2010

My preorder :zzz:

[Ducimus]

order placed through SS Amazon? I await at the door for the USPS to arrive with my box. I will have my soup! :D

AVG, didn't you learn your lesson from SH4? DRM issues aside, id wait tell the game's fully patched. That saves you frustration, lessens the burnout factor, mods will have already been made, and by the time all this has occured, the price will have dropped. After the release state of SH4, id think twice about having to be the first kid on the block with the new toy. :haha:

[Nisgeis]

How can you review it without buying it, or know a rating without playing.

That seems childish if you ask me.

I didn't ask you :DL. It's a product. They didn't make it the way I wanted. I won't be buying the product because of the way they made it. That's a review. That's what happens in the free market. You are free to ignore your customers and they are free to say what they like about you. They won't be saying on the box that the product has such restrictive DRM, so other potential purchasers need to be warned.

Yes, it says 'permanent internet connection required' but it doesn't say that you need a 100% reliable connection or you will lose your unsaved progress. Don't potential purchasers deserved to be warned, or should people just walk in blindly and get stuck with such a monster?

We all know that's how AC2 will work, none of us that have kept up to date need to buy it to know that. It's the 'casual' gamer that Ubi are after that won't know. They won't have been reading the forums. They do deserve to know what they are buying right - after all even Ubisoft won't tell them what they are buying and how the DRM will work. You remember that 'phone interview, where the guy asked the Ubisoft rep how DRM would work in each game and he said 'Ask your peers' - not that's childish.

I don't like your way of letting people be tricked into buying a product they didn't want. If they read all the reviews and see they all refer to DRM, then if that doesn't bother them, then they can decide to purchase anyway. It's the ones that don't know that deserve fair warning. A product with this DRM in it does suck, regardless of how good the game is. NO STARS FOR YOU!

[AVGWarhawk]

AVG, didn't you learn your lesson from SH4? DRM issues aside, if id wait tell the game's fully patched. That saves you frustration, lessens the burnout factor, mods will have already been made, and by the time all this has occured, the price will have dropped. After the release state of SH4, id think twice about having to be the first kid on the block with the new toy. :haha:

Yeah but I like getting the broken toy first and being part of the fix up. :yeah: Besides...if she is a real dog out of the gate I can always play SH4/TMO:03: Prolly do that anyway after a short spell with SH5:D SH4 with TMO always brings me back to playing it. It is that simple when it comes to SH4. This game will not be the first time I dropped some major money only to find it really stinks (if it stinks and I do not see it stinking after watching the video Neal posted again). Hell, I got countless disc like that. :o Best thing to do with games is get out of your mind what the game should be to you and just play the game as it really is. DRM aside, I think SH5 has some good potential. Just as SH4 had potential and you showed it, SH5 will have hers. :up: But my heart is in the PTO however supporting more submarine games requires folks to be interested in buying them. Me being a 'folks' purchased to show support. I will also play it!

[Méo]

You're being treated as a criminal by Ubisoft and you're having to pay for the honor. You're under house arrest.

Being treated as a criminal, that's your own interpretation.

If I go to the bank for mortgage, they won't think: hey! you're a client, of course we trust you!

When I go in a store, I'm always checked by monitoring camera, they treat as a criminal?


How everyone is not outraged at this is beyond me

Well I'll tell you what is beyond me, how people can be outraged over a 50$ computer game...

[AVGWarhawk]

Well I'll tell you what is beyond me, how people can be outraged over a 50$ computer game...


Good point but in all fairness, PS3 games are $10-$20 more than the PC games. :hmmm: Tell me the fix was not in because console games are more popular? :03: More money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :stare:

[Wilcke]

I have had it on pre-order since first available on Amazon, free shipping and no sales tax. The great thing about Amazon is they will deliver on release day!

Did it with MW2, they had to overnight it to get to me and on their dime.

Amazon is awesome.

Yes I am a guinea pig. This is my only PC game purchase this year and SOW: BOB if its released. Its in the budget, honest!

[Elder-Pirate]

Sure I got the point but I must have missed the meeting where I was at war with UBI over what? I'm not sure. Again, I enjoy the hell out of UBI games. SH series is just a few that I own. My kids play them and love them. So, this installment does not sit well with some.


Tell me this after about one week of playing SHV, then we will see how well the installment sits.

And just in case you think I have something against SHV you are sadly wrong. Its the games publisher that I'm hacked at and do not trust. They ( UBI ) will have to prove to me ( and I guess thousands more ) that they will let me play their game ( that I've paid for ) offline when I want and save when I want.

But hey who am I? If you want them in your computer files ( Oh yes, they have already said that would be illegal and they wouldn't do anything like that.........eh huh, right. ) go ahead, not any skin off my nose.

And again I say: Good luck.

[AVGWarhawk]

Tell me this after about one week of playing SHV, then we will see how well the installment sits.

And just in case you think I have something against SHV you are sadly wrong. Its the games publisher that I'm hacked at and do not trust. They ( UBI ) will have to prove to me ( and I guess thousands more ) that they will let me play their game ( that I've paid for ) offline when I want and save when I want.

But hey who am I? If you want them in your computer files ( Oh yes, they have already said that would be illegal and they wouldn't do anything like that.........eh huh, right. ) go ahead, not any skin off my nose.

And again I say: Good luck.

The installment will sit fine as I'm not expecting the end all of submarine simulations here with SH5 . Currently SH5 is a game...not a simulation. My hopes and dreams will not be dashed upon the sandy shores. Personally I do not care nor is it my business if you have/not have a problem with SH5. It has no bearing on my purchase nor your view of my purchase of the game. As far as getting into my computer files...really, does UBI have better things to do than look at my family photos? This digging into your computer is just silly. At any rate, no skin off your nose but you will post anyway. If it is no skin then why bother to post? I will post my impressions when I get the game. Fair enough?

[Méo]

If you want them in your computer files

Ok, privacy hen?

What about the company that provide me a connection to internet?

What about the company that provide me an antivirus?

What about Windows?

What about the company that provide me my cell phone?

----

Ok, privacy can always be an issue, but if they ever cross that line, they may lose a lot more than I.

[Nisgeis]

Ok, privacy hen?

I had one of those... it was clucking useless.

[AVGWarhawk]

I have had it on pre-order since first available on Amazon, free shipping and no sales tax. The great thing about Amazon is they will deliver on release day!

Did it with MW2, they had to overnight it to get to me and on their dime.

Amazon is awesome.

Yes I am a guinea pig. This is my only PC game purchase this year and SOW: BOB if its released. Its in the budget, honest!

Amazon is great. I get all my books there and at great used book prices. Books that I would never see if I went to the local book store or library. Can't beat it. :yeah:

[Andrew82]

Well I'll tell you what is beyond me, how people can be outraged over a 50$ computer game...

I'm with you :yeah: :haha:


People, if I don't like SHV, I'll just wait for all mods and patches to be released, if after that I still don't like SHV I'll throw it on some top shelf in my garage and know that at least I've tried to love it...

Then, in ten years or so, I put the disk in my computer, install SHV again for old-times-sake, then laugh my ass of because all of ubi's servers are down and the game can't connect to play...... :har:

[jwilliams]

Sure I got the point but I must have missed the meeting where I was at war with UBI over what? I'm not sure. Again, I enjoy the hell out of UBI games. SH series is just a few that I own. My kids play them and love them. So, this installment does not sit well with some.

I think with this OSP, you will be breaking the terms of your licience if you let your kids or anyone else use the product. the account is in your name and ONLY YOU are allowed to used it.

thats how theses account based online things work. read the small print when you go to install the game.

[longam]

Then, in ten years or so, I put the disk in my computer, install SHV again for old-times-sake, then laugh my ass of because all of ubi's servers are down and the game can't connect to play...... :har:

Well, just go download the last patch that turns off the protection.

@AVG - I'll be ordering as soon as I get my Debit card (switching banks). I cant wait to be able to watch the crew do their thing instead of trying to imagine it is happening. It should really fill in that gap that SH3&4 was missing.

[Sailor Steve]

I guess some people just take it as a personal affront if you don't share their level of outrage over their pet issue. They apparently think insulting people and generally being as annoying as possible is a dandy way to win people over to their side. Kinda reminds me of PETA. Now there's an effective advocacy group.
:yep:

Yep. Some people think that spamming every forum is the correct way to disagree.

@ AVGWarhawk: While I won't be getting it (couldn't play it anyway, being without a computer and all) I do look forward to hearing what you think.:sunny:

[jwilliams]

Well, just go download the last patch that turns of the protection.

And where are you going to download the patch in 10 years time???? ubi could be gone... and you will be left with a game that you cant use.:hmmm:

[longam]

And where are you going to download the patch in 10 years time???? ubi could be gone... and you will be left with a game that you cant use.:hmmm:

Instructions for finding a patch:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=silent+hunter+4+patch

Hope that helps, now back to topic

[Nisgeis]

And where are you going to download the patch in 10 years time???? ubi could be gone... and you will be left with a game that you cant use.:hmmm:

Well, you'd install the game, it would validate on the servers and then the autopatching technology would download the patch from the server that meant it didn't have to validate the product on the server that had been shut down. Isn't it obvious?

[jwilliams]

Instructions for finding a patch:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=silent+hunter+4+patch

Hope that helps, now back to topic

lol. OK. but thats only if ubi release a patch.... they have only said "thats the plan" not we promise to release a patch if our servers are turn off.:damn:

just an extra note :- if ubi go bust who will pay to have the patch made. if ubi are bought out .then the company that buys ubi might not surport SH5 and ubi will not own the rights to SH5 and would be breaking the law if they cracked it :hmmm:

[jwilliams]

Well, you'd install the game, it would validate on the servers and then the autopatching technology would download the patch from the server that meant it didn't have to validate the product on the server that had been shut down. Isn't it obvious?


ROFLMAO :har::har::har:

[longam]

Edit: sometimes I'm a smart azz.....lol

[Seafireliv]

While we shouldn't be personally insulting each other, we also shouldn't be happily forking over money and acting like Ubisoft is doing us a favor either.

You're being treated as a criminal by Ubisoft and you're having to pay for the honor. You're under house arrest. The instant your paid for game goes off line (or the instant Ubisoft's notoriously badly run servers do the same) you get cut off from using the product you only really "rented" at full purchase price.

How everyone is not outraged at this is beyond me. Why anyone would want to support this kind of penalty against paying customers is beyond me as well. Yet in this thread several people are downright PROUD to support the most ill conceived and ridiculous DRM policy ever put in place.

Personally I won't really affect me. I have high speed constant connections at home and at work and I don't travel with a laptop or anything (though the few times I have SH3 was on it!). But at the same time it's painfully clear that Ubisoft is directly attacking their paying customers in the name of fighting piracy and this system is NOT the way to protect their product.

That's why I'm NOT buying this product while Ubisoft treats their customers like criminals while the real criminals get to enjoy their games just fine.*


* as in those that simply hack the game, not the few who buy the game and don't realize how bad an idea this DRM thing is.


Hear! hear!

It should be an insult to every person who has paid hard cash to be treated like this.

I`ll bet one thing though, as soon as your copies of SH5 start quitting for no reason and you get whole hours (and maybe even days) on being unable to play you`ll all be cursing UBI allright.

But it`ll be too late. they`ll give you crocodile tears, spiel you along with excuses then tell you that you accepted it and must live with it. You`ll all be seething with rage while they run off to the bank and award themselves massive bonuses with YOUR money.
Then you guys will wish you had said `No` and forced UBI to give up their 24\7 DRM. And even if it all goes smoothly, you guys will have set a precedent that will ruin Single player game enjoyment for life.

Mark my words.

[ReallyDedPoet]

I am tempted to do the same, pre-order, but would rather wait. Though it worked out in the end, the whole SHIV process was exhausting :oops::yep:

[Méo]

And where are you going to download the patch in 10 years time????

It's a bit early to worry about the GAME I will be playing in 10 years from now...

Personally, I don't recall playing a 10 years old game, even those I've liked the most.

If Ubi bought out, If ubi go bust.

If If If If If If If If If If If If If If If... ...now back to the topic please. ;)

[Nisgeis]

Hear! hear!

It should be an insult to every person who has paid hard cash to be treated like this.

Yes it is. DRM is sucky, all the clever kids know this.

I`ll bet one thing though, as soon as your copies of SH5 start quitting for no reason and you get whole hours (and maybe even days) on being unable to play you`ll all be cursing UBI allright.

Er... have you been paying attention? I've already been cursing Ubi for their poor DRM policy. Oh hang on, I have it now, yes, you are equating purchasing a product with agreeing with DRM, That's quite strange. Becasue it doesn't mean that at all.

But it`ll be too late.

I've already been doing it... so how will my past actions be too late in the future? Interesting... Do you subscribe to the 'Terminator' time travel rules?

they`ll give you crocodile tears, spiel you along with excuses then tell you that you accepted it and must live with it. You`ll all be seething with rage while they run off to the bank and award themselves massive bonuses with YOUR money.

Sorry, no idea what weird country you come from, but where I'm from,. if a product doesn't work, it can be returned as defective. That's the LAW. A product has to be fit for purpose. If it isn't, it can be returned. They can laugh as much as they like, whilst giving me a complete refund.

Then you guys will wish you had said `No` and forced UBI to give up their 24\7 DRM. And even if it all goes smoothly, you guys will have set a precedent that will ruin Single player game enjoyment for life.

We did say NO to DRM. I mean really... have you been reading these posts... I mean really? How on Earth did you miss that? Like, it's been this big major issue, where almost every thread got some anti-DRM comment in it... where have you been?

Mark my words.

You don't seem to be very up to date, so... no! Sha'n't!

[Méo]

you guys will have set a precedent that will ruin Single player game enjoyment for life.

a precedent? ...cuz DRM has never been used before? :doh:

[Itkovian]

I will also be purchasing SH5, as a long simmer.

As for DRM, it is rather unfortunate and unnecessary, but I find little point in punishing the developers for the publisher's mistakes, especially given the current paucity of dev studios (and publishers, quite frankly) willing to invest in simulator (same reason, indeed, why I purchased RoF).

Itkovian

[OakGroove]

a precedent? ...cuz DRM has never been used before? :doh:No, not a primer. Until then DRM implementations did not require permanent online connection and forced subscription, tied to a single, non transferable account, in order to play an SP title. Loads of people did not touch RoF with a 10ft pole because of this. The publisher rowed back, apparently.

[OakGroove]

you are equating purchasing a product with agreeing with DRM, That's quite strange. Becasue it doesn't mean that at all.

UBIs balance sheets will state that you, we, the buyers, whatever ... are in agreement. That's the only thing that matters.

[Méo]

The publisher rowed back, apparently.

ok apparently,

but there is still people that don't really mind about being connected since they are always connected anyway, for a lot of reasons, see post #23 #33 #38 and #53

Now this is not the purpose of this thread to continuously debate about this.

[OakGroove]

Now this is not the purpose of this thread to continuously debate about this.

I´m not comfortable with this either, the outcome of all this will not be decided in these forums.

[Platapus]

I hate Amazon more than I hate DRM. My promise still stands. If I buy this game I won't be using the Subsim Amazon link, but I will make another donation to this site.

I have just been screwed too many times by Amazon. :nope:

[MasterCaine]

How everyone is not outraged at this is beyond me. Why anyone would want to support this kind of penalty against paying customers is beyond me as well. Yet in this thread several people are downright PROUD to support the most ill conceived and ridiculous DRM policy ever put in place.

Here's your answer- Sheeple.. plain and simple. Society these days is full of people who cannot, or will not think for themselves.

[Méo]

They apparently think insulting people and generally being as annoying as possible is a dandy way to win people over to their side.

bump.

[cappy70]

Are you guys figthing with same fury against Settlers 7?

Released soon with same DRM system.

My problem, as I said earlier, and here is the real problem; I must see/play this 100 % myself and a f t e r testing with Settlers 7 there was no problems so far, BUT my really real problem is that when I buy something I want to own it, not you or mr. Ubisoft, I want to own it and decide over it.
Now, if there is 200 other games released with this and only 3 - 4 get a huge support against and the rest goes through, it feels like this good ol' saying: Stay close to your friend but closer to your enemy.

What do I now mean by this: Shut down support against Ubisofts website's, t h i n g s that really h u r t them, shut down ALL interest in any game they release and buy nada/nothing/inget/finitzski, no matter what in the name of DRM.

Meaning simple and easy: When you see the name Ubisoft: Don't buy.
That's how real boycott works, otherwise it is futile.........

...forgot Good ol' SH2 days....

[Heretic]

Here's your answer- Sheeple.. plain and simple. Society these days is full of people who cannot, or will not think for themselves.

Lemme see.... a decided minority who, in the face of constant insult and ridicule, decide to buy the game are sheep... and the ones banding with the majority in a drum-beating mass movement demanding conformity are the free thinkers. Makes perfect sense to me.

And so good sir, unashamed, I stand before you in my woolly coat, and proudly proclaim in your general direction, "Baaaa!":woot:

[mookiemookie]

Here's your answer- Sheeple.. plain and simple. Society these days is full of people who cannot, or will not think for themselves.

And then there's the type who insult and belittle people who don't have exactly the same feelings on a particular subject as they do. Got a name for them too?

My purchase decision is mine and mine alone. And if you don't like it, you can kiss my grits. When you start making my money for me, then you can dictate what I do with it. But until you do, you've got no right, pal.

[corvette k225]

Enjoy:up::up:

[RodBorza]

ditto :arrgh!:

[jazman]

Lemme see.... a decided minority who, in the face of constant insult and ridicule, decide to buy the game are sheep... and the ones banding with the majority in a drum-beating mass movement demanding conformity are the free thinkers. Makes perfect sense to me.


It's called "the herd of independent minds."

[Thomen]

Jeebus.. this went downhill rather quick.

Some people don't like the OSP, that's cool. I do not like it either. I probably wont buy the game for quite some time. But there is no need to start pissing at peoples leg who make the decision for themselves. Quite the opposite I would say.

I applaud the ones who are going to buy it for whatever reason. Hell, I am even a bit jealous. But, admit it or not, the insight that they will give and their critique will be ultimately play a part if we are going to buy it or not. So, rather then being an asswipe, be grateful, because they are, more or less biting the bullet for those of us who want to wait.
IMHO, of course.

[longam]

Jeebus.. this went downhill rather quick.

Some people don't like the OSP, that's cool. I do not like it either. I probably wont buy the game for quite some time. But there is no need to start pissing at peoples leg who make the decision for themselves. Quite the opposite I would say.

I applaud the ones who are going to buy it for whatever reason. Hell, I am even a bit jealous. But, admit it or not, the insight that they will give and their critique will be ultimately play a part if we are going to buy it or not. So, rather then being an asswipe, be grateful, because they are, more or less biting the bullet for those of us who want to wait.
IMHO, of course.

Or maybe its time people stop posting off topic. Would solve bunches, don't you think?

[Méo]

Jeebus.. this went downhill rather quick.

Some people don't like the OSP, that's cool. I do not like it either. I probably wont buy the game for quite some time. But there is no need to start pissing at peoples leg who make the decision for themselves. Quite the opposite I would say.

Finally, a wise man!

I respect your position cause you're obviously not a radical..

I'm neither a radical defending Ubi..

Ok, sorry for being off-topic.

[W_clear]

:oMy soup does not boil.OMG

[AVGWarhawk]

I think with this OSP, you will be breaking the terms of your licience if you let your kids or anyone else use the product. the account is in your name and ONLY YOU are allowed to used it.

thats how theses account based online things work. read the small print when you go to install the game.

Gosh! You are right. As soon as my computer does my finger print and retina scan finding it is not me I'm screwed! UBI sends a program that makes my hard drive melt, my RAM fizzles and the disc in the drive is spun so fast it shatters! My family is killed the next day, my car is stolen and the dog is knocked up. :doh: All of this for $49.99! Does not seem fair now does it:stare:

[AVGWarhawk]

I hate Amazon more than I hate DRM. My promise still stands. If I buy this game I won't be using the Subsim Amazon link, but I will make another donation to this site.

I have just been screwed too many times by Amazon. :nope:


That is a shame. I have not had an issue with Amazon. I use it all the time. I do use the merchants that have good ratings. I think that helps in some cases.

[AVGWarhawk]

So anyway, I purchased a game today from UBI. It is called Silent Hunter 5. Have you heard of it?

[Méo]

Gosh! You are right. As soon as my computer does my finger print and retina scan finding it is not me I'm screwed! UBI sends a program that makes my hard drive melt, my RAM fizzles and the disc in the drive is spun so fast it shatters! My family is killed the next day, my car is stolen and the dog is knocked up. :doh: All of this for $49.99! Does not seem fair now does it:stare:

:haha::har:

Ok no offence to anyone,

But this is the perfect example why I'm not convinced by those who want to boycott it. There are so many subjective comments.;)

[mookiemookie]

So anyway, I purchased a game today from UBI. It is called Silent Hunter 5. Have you heard of it?

Oh now you're just asking for it. :D

[pythos]

Geronimo!!! *clicking Subsims's amazon link to get SH5*

[cappy70]

putting on helmet.......:shucks::D

[IanC]

Geronimo!!! *clicking Subsims's amazon link to get SH5*

You mean Bonzaiii!!! Kamikaze style :lol:

[jwilliams]

Gosh! You are right. As soon as my computer does my finger print and retina scan finding it is not me I'm screwed! UBI sends a program that makes my hard drive melt, my RAM fizzles and the disc in the drive is spun so fast it shatters! My family is killed the next day, my car is stolen and the dog is knocked up. :doh: All of this for $49.99! Does not seem fair now does it:stare:


ummm, i doubt they'd go that far. but if they suspect that someone other than you are using your account then the account gets suspended (locked, ban'ed) rendering your game useless (being constanly online gives them this power) not saying you shouldnt buy SH5, just giving you a heads up (dont let them find out your sharing you account with others)

[Thomen]

You mean Bonzaiii!!! Kamikaze style :lol:

Bonzai?

http://www.freewebs.com/asianartistries/bonzai3.jpg

:hmmm:

Sorry.. couldnt resist... :shifty: :D

[Elder-Pirate]

So anyway, I purchased a game today from UBI. It is called Silent Hunter 5. Have you heard of it?


No, whats it all about??:D

But I would like to read your comments about SHV after you have played it for awhile. :yep:

I'm very serious about reading yours and others reviews of the game, not trying to be a smart a..

As I said before ( somewhere on one of these threads ) I DO want SHV.

Rather see what your views are first.

[Onkel Neal]

Here's your answer- Sheeple.. plain and simple. Society these days is full of people who cannot, or will not think for themselves.

Look, we can call each names all night but that is not going to make anything different.

Infraction points awarded.

[Méo]

(dont let them find out your sharing you account with others)

I'm trying to imagine how could they find out that he shares his account with his own son...

BTW, even if they know, I don't even think it's illegal.

[MasterCaine]

Look, we can call each names all night but that is not going to make anything different.

Infraction points awarded.

Hmmm. Who did I call names here? I was referring to people in general these days. This statement was not aimed at anyone here in particular, so I don't see how this is a personal attack.

Looks like the defend UBi clamp-down campaign is beginning. :shifty:

[Philipp_Thomsen]

Its funny. People were saying for months they wouldnt buy the game with that crappy DRM, and now everybody is pre-ordering before launch.

Just like I suspected.

I wonder if we can also pre-order the crac... erm... software for playing offline.

[Méo]

Looks like the defend UBi clamp-down campaign is beginning. :shifty:

I don't remember when someone have expressed his opinion (no matter what is his opnion) in a relatively respected way (without insulting or spamming) and have been ''clamp-down''.

[THE_MASK]

If the thing is as neals copy and doesnt boot to desktop when disconnected , then i dont have a problem with it . Looking forward to the review by people who buy it .

[IanC]

Bonzai?
:hmmm:
Sorry.. couldnt resist... :shifty: :D

Did I say bonzai? Cause I'm pretty sure I said banzai. :oops: :D

[rascal101]

Excellent news, I was hoping for some brave souls such as you to throw caution to the wind and buy SH5

Now I hope you will make regular posts for those of us who don’t have reliable internet connection or who live in remote parts of the world so we can experience the highs and lows of SH5 through your regular updates

Looking forward to your receiving the game and telling us your escapades in the Atlantic

Regards

R

order placed through SS Amazon? I await at the door for the USPS to arrive with my box. I will have my soup! :D

[TwistedFemur]

No soup for me I am enjoying Blackshark. me and my wingman reduced a rebel column to a heap of smoldering wreakage tonight.:yeah:
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/4050/bc03hh8.jpg

[JScones]

Looking forward to reading feedback from people that will actually be playing the game. :up:

[Nisgeis]

I'm trying to imagine how could they find out that he shares his account with his own son...

BTW, even if they know, I don't even think it's illegal.

AVG is only joking about the fingerprint and retina scanner. They'd obviously just activate his webcam and comapre the two images and when it's detected the people playing don't match, they'll send out the two Hunter Killer Bots and one Dog Impregnator Bot.

Its funny. People were saying for months they wouldnt buy the game with that crappy DRM, and now everybody is pre-ordering before launch.

Not everybody is pre-ordering, there is still a large number of people who won't be buying. There are plenty of people who have said how sucky the DRM is, but they've never said they wouldn't be buying it. I can't think of a specific person who said that they wouldn't be buying it, that now is.

So anyway, I purchased a game today from UBI. It is called Silent Hunter 5. Have you heard of it?

Yeah, I heard of that, but I'm not interested in it. I don't agree with deer hunting and I certainly don't want to play a simulated version of it.

[java`s revenge]

No soup for me I am enjoying Blackshark. me and my wingman reduced a rebel column to a heap of smoldering wreakage tonight.:yeah:
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/4050/bc03hh8.jpg

I have also bought and installed this game but at this moment i can`t have
noise around me because i am overworked. When i am feeling me better
again i will surely begin with this great simulation.

[jwilliams]

I'm trying to imagine how could they find out that he shares his account with his own son...

BTW, even if they know, I don't even think it's illegal.

Its not illegal, I never said it was..... but its in violation of the TOU (terms of use) and EULA (end user licence agreement).

And if he says that he shares his account using his account name on ubi forums then ubi would have found out. :hmmm: So be very careful who you tell that your sharing an account.

and by clicking agree when you install :-

1. Grant of a Limited License to Use the Service. Subject to your agreement to and continuing compliance with the Terms of Use agreement, you may use the Service solely for your own non-commercial entertainment purposes by accessing it with an authorized, unmodified Game Client. You may not use the Service for any other purpose, or in connection with any other software.Solely = Only you.


8. Account Suspension/Deletion. UBISOFT MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ACCOUNTS AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU. For purposes of explanation and not limitation, most account suspensions, terminations and/or deletions are the result of violations of this Terms of Use or the EULA.Just google "banned for sharing account" and you get over 7 million hits.

so maybe try this :-

Anne Loucks made a little cardboard placque with a downward extension, put it over her keyboard, and by charmign her cat into walking over it, the placque pressed down on the space bar, agreeing to Adobe Reader's EULA. Her cat might not be a legal entity, but the fact of the matter is that she herself did not agree to the EULA, so technically, she shouldn't be covered by it. Right?

link :- http://www.osnews.com/story/21010/Can_Your_Cat_Agree_to_an_EULA_
:har:

[piri_reis]

link :- http://www.osnews.com/story/21010/Can_Your_Cat_Agree_to_an_EULA_

:har: :har: Kitty Agrees!

[Brag]

I am all for freedom of choice. Therefore I can't critisize the choice of buting SH-5.

What I disaprove iss the lack of consideration for those who want to buy SH-5 who do not have decent internet access. They are hoping that Ubisoft will drop the online requirement. Each purchase is a stab in the back to our comrades.

Remember Quisling, Vichy?

By not buying, we are telling Ubisoft, "Abandon this injustice."

My internet works well. I am against the wars in the Middle East but I think the U.S. and NATO service people there should be able to play games, which is the only escape they have.

Overall, we are loyal to our friends. This loyalty will eventually defeat DRM.

Enjouy your game!

[Heretic]

Each purchase is a stab in the back to our comrades.
Remember Quisling, Vichy?

And how is this not a personal attack on those who choose to buy the game?

[Méo]

but I think the U.S. and NATO service people there should be able to play games, which is the only escape they have.

http://armymomstrong.com/internet-access-for-soldiers-in-afghanistan-and-iraq/

Internet access is a morale booster for deployed soldiers! We are fortunate to have Internet access available at all. In previous wars, letter writing was the only form of communication and letters were received every few weeks. I am thankful for Internet for deployed soldiers! HOOAH!Soldiers can have Internet access in their living quarters. It is very expensive. The Internet access and expense is shared with other soldiers. I know of one example in Afghanistan where many soldiers share the Internet bandwidth and expense of $60 per month per person.Of course:

Soldiers in remote outposts do not have access to InternetBut they probably can't bring their own PC in those remote outposts, anyway.

Of course it's relatively expensive (60$/month), but I don't know for US but Canadian soldiers are paid approximetely 10 000$ per month in Afghanistan, TAXES FREE!!

----

Edit: My point is not to defend OSP, I'm just saying that in 2010, internet is pretty accessible and I don't feel ''culpable'' for ''not supporting them''.

[urfisch]

100 posts for just the statement of a buy???

:o

[mookiemookie]

Each purchase is a stab in the back to our comrades.

Remember Quisling, Vichy?

As I said before, when you make my money for me you can tell me what I do with it. But last I checked, you don't. So take that attitude and shove it.

Post reported.

[AVGWarhawk]

ummm, i doubt they'd go that far. but if they suspect that someone other than you are using your account then the account gets suspended (locked, ban'ed) rendering your game useless (being constanly online gives them this power) not saying you shouldnt buy SH5, just giving you a heads up (dont let them find out your sharing you account with others)

We have to understand this is not what UBI is attempting to do(out to get you type deal). It is an attempt to stop illegal/stolen copies from working. UBI does not care to mess up your computer. Might someone get banned by mistake? Perhaps but highly unlikely. Furthermore, in good conscience I would not allow others to share my account. But that is just me. Eventually this protection deal will go away. Resource compared to new copies sold just will not substantiate the cost to continue with the protection program. Just my thoughts on the matter.

[AVGWarhawk]

Excellent news, I was hoping for some brave souls such as you to throw caution to the wind and buy SH5

Now I hope you will make regular posts for those of us who don’t have reliable internet connection or who live in remote parts of the world so we can experience the highs and lows of SH5 through your regular updates

Looking forward to your receiving the game and telling us your escapades in the Atlantic

Regards

R

I sure will. :yeah:

[Bilge_Rat]

I don't know if it's just me, but for some reason the anti-DRM zealots are starting to remind me of these guys...:arrgh!:

http://yafh.com/image/3b9f4cf5-burn-the-witch-burn-witch-kill-monty-python-demotivational-poster-1223816026.jpg



-pre-ordered last week :rock:

[AVGWarhawk]

I am all for freedom of choice. Therefore I can't critisize the choice of buting SH-5.

What I disaprove iss the lack of consideration for those who want to buy SH-5 who do not have decent internet access. They are hoping that Ubisoft will drop the online requirement. Each purchase is a stab in the back to our comrades.

Remember Quisling, Vichy?

By not buying, we are telling Ubisoft, "Abandon this injustice."

My internet works well. I am against the wars in the Middle East but I think the U.S. and NATO service people there should be able to play games, which is the only escape they have.

Overall, we are loyal to our friends. This loyalty will eventually defeat DRM.

Enjouy your game!


UBI can not be responsible for poor internet service in any area of the world. I would equate that to General Motors being responsible for good roads all over the world so their Corvette can drive on them. I think we have to believe that DRM is not forever. The cost to watch it will outweight the profits being generated. It is diminishing returns before long.

[AVGWarhawk]

100 posts for just the statement of a buy???

:o


Amazing no? :hmmm:

[Méo]

Each purchase is a stab in the back to our comrades.

Remember Quisling, Vichy?


I don't know if you really realize the comparison you make?:nope:

You compare a computer game that automatically connect itself to internet with dictatorship of the past..:nope:


Let me get this straight:

- No one is gonna get hurt for it.

- No one will starve for it.

- This is not gonna cause global warming.

And I wonder what you're doing here, there are currently several REAL dictatorship that require your attention.. ..if you really care.

I don't know if it's just me, but for some reason the anti-DRM zealots are starting to remind me of these guys...:arrgh!:

Yeah!

I don't know if I must use this :haha: or this :nope:

[mookiemookie]

I don't know if it's just me, but for some reason the anti-DRM zealots are starting to remind me of these guys...:arrgh!:

-pre-ordered last week :rock:

I agree. I think it's offensive and it seriously hacks me off. I'm going to take a picture of me with my copy of it next Tuesday, just to rub it in their faces.

[AVGWarhawk]

- This is not gonna cause global warming.



It might because there will be running computers with glowing LCD monitors generating all kinds of heat while playing SH5! :o :har:

[Thomen]

It might because there will be running computers with glowing LCD monitors generating all kinds of heat while playing SH5! :o :har:

In that case, I hope they will deliver early.. they announced snow again coming the next couple of days. :hmmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

In that case, I hope they will deliver early.. they announced snow again coming the next couple of days. :hmmm:

No issue sir! SH4 is alive and well on my hard drive. Then again I will be shoveling so what is the difference? :shifty: Bummer. It makes no difference if I get it early, on time or late. As long as it is in the pipeline somewhere is all I need to know. :up:

[Heretic]

At least I finally understand why they get so bent out of shape with anyone talking favorably about the game. They think the decision whether or not to buy a $50 consumer product is some kind of loyalty test.

[Sailor Steve]

Yep. If you don't buy it, you're letting down the community by not supporting the genre, no matter how good your reasons might be.

If you do buy it, you're a sheep who just follows along because you're too stupid to know the differnence and need someone else to make your decisions. Or a fanboy who'll buy anything with the correct name on it.

Neither of these is my opinion, and I fully support those who are buying it.

"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
-Evelyn Beatrice Hall, The Friends of Voltaire,1906

[mookiemookie]

Choosing to not purchase a $50 consumer product does not make you the moral equivalent of Nelson Mandela.

:haha::har::yeah:

[Q3ark]

To hell with the DRM zealots. I'm gunna buy sh5 and i'm even going to enjoy it :D

[Highbury]

By not buying, we are telling Ubisoft, "Abandon this injustice."

My internet works well. I am against the wars in the Middle East but I think the U.S. and NATO service people there should be able to play games, which is the only escape they have.

Overall, we are loyal to our friends. This loyalty will eventually defeat DRM.

Enjouy your game!

Well Amazon.com lists SHV as the #9 selling PC game this week (one of only 4 games in the top ten that are on an upward swing) and Amazon.ca lists it as #1.. something tells me Ubi is hearing little more then a squeak.

[Greentimbers]

Just pre-ordered

Silent Hunter: Battle Of The Atlantic Gold Edition

from the ubi store (US) ($59.99)

email says 03.02.10 for download!:up:

Also comes with some sort of exclusive artwork....

:salute:

[AVGWarhawk]

Well Amazon.com lists SHV as the #9 selling PC game this week (one of only 4 games in the top ten that are on an upward swing) and Amazon.ca lists it as #1.. something tells me Ubi is hearing little more then a squeak.

Interesting to be sure :hmmm:

[Brag]

Well Amazon.com lists SHV as the #9 selling PC game this week (one of only 4 games in the top ten that are on an upward swing) and Amazon.ca lists it as #1.. something tells me Ubi is hearing little more then a squeak.

Amazon is not a reliable source for number of items sold as it is percentages compared to other similar items.

For example, if you are to type a search ESPIONAGE, on a good day, my book will appear as #10 or less--I can guarantee you, I'm not getting rich. :DL

[AVGWarhawk]

Yeah but you made the list! :O:

[Brer Rabbit]

Its possible that I will waste money--but I pre-ordered two weeks ago. Looking forward to seeing if it will work on my system. It will at least give me an excuse to buy a new computer. If I whine enough maybe my darling will let me.

I ordered for two reasons --first because I enjoy subsims---and they are far and few between. The SH series has been to my mind the most successful, and I might need a new computer to run to latest.

Second I wanted to support subsim and have an excuse to buy a new computer.

Hmmm! I think I see a theme developing in this post.

Brer Rabbit ----Puulleeze don't throw me into the briar patch!

[Arclight]

Just ordered, finally became available. :)

Does that make me a martyr? :hmmm:

*and some bucks to Neal because I can't order through Amazon. Can't get enough of that "thanks mate" picture. :lol:

[sharkbit]

Looking forward to reading feedback from people that will actually be playing the game. :up:

A breath of fresh air in the usual thread that started out promising and turned into the SOS, different day thread about DRM and how Ubi is screwing you.

:)

[AVGWarhawk]

A breath of fresh air in the usual thread that started out promising and turned into the SOS, different day thread about DRM and how Ubi is screwing you.

:)


What's done is done sir! My game is ordered. I watched yet another new video yesterday and the game looks fantastic. I'm afraid a lot will miss out in the beginning because of DRM. We will see what happens with DRM. For me, I have a stable connection and have other things larger in life to worry about than DRM. To each their own! :up:

[sharkbit]

What's done is done sir! My game is ordered. I watched yet another new video yesterday and the game looks fantastic. I'm afraid a lot will miss out in the beginning because of DRM. We will see what happens with DRM. For me, I have a stable connection and have other things larger in life to worry about than DRM. To each their own! :up:

I eagerly look forward to your reviews! :woot:

:)

[ReallyDedPoet]

I'm afraid a lot will miss out in the beginning because of DRM. We will see what happens with DRM. For me, I have a stable connection and have other things larger in life to worry about than DRM. To each their own! :up:

I am not as afraid of the DRM as I am of an unfinished product. Though SH4 turned into a great game, early on it was a lot of work with mods, then a new patch, then re-installing mods that were updated as a result of the patch :oops::oops::doh:

This time around I will wait. I will eventually get the game, the SH series has always been a favorite of mine.

[AVGWarhawk]

There already is a patch....look closely at your first mate! :O: :har:

[ReallyDedPoet]

There already is a patch....look closely at your first mate! :O: :har:

I am, but need help :oops:

Edit: Ok, got ya :D:D

[rcjonessnp175]

Pre ordered gold edition on direct2drive to bad thier isnt a time hacking device yet.

On a another not im downloading HD version of Below on itunes, looks quite interesting, ww2 fleetboat movie with the hauntings??:o