VIIB with VIIC conning tower?

[oscar19681]

Call me a nitpicker but in the concept art the VIIB model is incorrect. It has a VIIC tower. http://ve3d.ign.com/images/63020/PC/Silent-Hunter-V-Battle-Of-The-Atlantic/Concept-Art/Gold-Edition-Unit-Render

compare it with this.

http://www.uboat.net/types/illustrations/viib_2d.gif

Normally i,n nit such a rivet counter but they had it right in SH-3 so why would they make this mistake in sh-5.

[TH0R]

Not only that, but the Type VIIC tower is also incorrect. There was already a discussion about it on the forums.

Moders will have lots of work to do...

[oscar19681]

whats wrong with the VIIC conning tower? I dont see anything wrong with that. I believe me i,m somewhat of an expert when it comes to u-boats.

[oscar19681]

http://www.hq.wwiionline.com/profiles/u_boat4.jpg

Perhaps the best example i could find.

http://www.german-uboats.com/Uboat%20Photos/U53-2.jpg

And now for comparison a type VIIC conning tower.

http://hsfeatures.com/features04/images/u552dj_32.jpg

You can clearly see the differences. The untrained eye migyht say they are identical. Which leads me to believe that someone responsible for the models did not do there homework. I,m sorry to have to say this but i am hardcore afterall. Its so weird because they did the VIIA and VIIC as good as perfect to my knowledge.

[TH0R]

whats wrong with the VIIC conning tower? I dont see anything wrong with that. I believe me i,m somewhat of an expert when it comes to u-boats.

Well, I am not an expert, but it was obvious to me even in SH3 that the VIIC CT was plain wrong. SeeWolfU-571 has explained it here with pictures:


http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/3451044928/p/1


In short: the bridge deck should be lowered downwards.

[oscar19681]

Well, I am not an expert, but it was obvious to me even in SH3 that the VIIC CT was plain wrong. SeeWolfU-571 has explained it here with pictures:


http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/3451044928/p/1


In short: the bridge deck should be lowered downwards.

Yes i was aware of this. But personally i can live with this because its only a minor cosmetic fault. But having the VIIC tower on a VIIB is worse since (apart from the wire cutter) is the only big thing that sets the 2 types apart visually. The viib in sh-5 looks identical to the one in das boot which basicly was a VIIC with a wire cutter. Kind of a hybrid of the 2 types.

[flakmonkey]

Who said that was a photo of the viib? Ive certainly seen photos of early viics that still had the net cutters.

[oscar19681]

Who said that was a photo of the viib? Ive certainly seen photos of early viics that still had the net cutters.

If you mean the picture of the concept art then yes its a VIIB since there are only 3 type VII,s in sh-5 and they are all presented on the link in the first post. But if you can show me a picture of a VIIC with a wirew cutter i like to see it.

[TH0R]

Yes i was aware of this. But personally i can live with this because its only a minor cosmetic fault. But having the VIIC tower on a VIIB is worse since (apart from the wire cutter) is the only big thing that sets the 2 types apart visually. The viib in sh-5 looks identical to the one in das boot which basicly was a VIIC with a wire cutter. Kind of a hybrid of the 2 types.

Early Type VIIC had net cutters IIRC. The DAS BOOT was a proper type VIIC, with net cutters and wave breakers around the deck gun railing. You can see the clear difference between Type VIIB and Type VIIC in the bow section as well - the VIIC is wider.

The SH5 in-game is the later war model, with the same inherent bridge deck error as in SH3. The Type VIIC in SH3 used the same hull for VIIC and VIIC/41 and VIIC/42. In addition, the deck railing was a part of the hull, instead of the conning tower, so the early war Type VIIC looked - horrid... :down:

At least we have a proper deck railing this time. I don't mind the ommited net cutters or the deck gun wave brakers as on VIIB as long as the model is correct, which, again it isn't.

[quad5]

RespectedTH0R, to a great regret all to spit that models in game do not correspond to originals and moders including!:damn: Excuse for my bad English.

[oscar19681]

So basicly we have only 2 type VII,s in sh-5 VIIA and VIIC and a VIIC with wirecutter.

[TH0R]

So basicly we have only 2 type VII,s in sh-5 VIIA and VIIC and a VIIC with wirecutter.

And VIIC/41, which is the best representation of the VIIC. I hope, since it has not been revealed yet. :)

[oscar19681]

And VIIC/41, which is the best representation of the VIIC. I hope, since it has not been revealed yet. :)

oh yes how could i forget.

[TH0R]

I said, I hope. :) On what we have seen so far, and from SH3 - VIIC/41 will be, next to the VIIA the only correct model in the game.



Lets see if we can find some pictures of early type VIIC with net cutters.

[oscar19681]

flakmonkey said he has some pics of it.

[CaptainNemo12]

Early VIIc's did have the net cutter, they were mostly removed after 1941

[oscar19681]

Early VIIc's did have the net cutter, they were mostly removed after 1941

Maybe so but i have yet to see one in a picture.

[CaptainNemo12]

Here you go, scanned from David Westwood's book:

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7218/viicproof.jpg

[Bilge_Rat]

Neal has a copy. Maybe we could prevail upon him to post screenshots of the different in-game models so we can compare them.

[oscar19681]

Neal has a copy. Maybe we could prevail upon him to post screenshots of the different in-game models so we can compare them.

Outstanding idea. Can you ask him?

[Bilge_Rat]

Outstanding idea. Can you ask him?

done. sent him a PM.

[TH0R]

Here you go, scanned from David Westwood's book:

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7218/viicproof.jpg


A net cutter and deck gun wave beakers. Nice. :)

If only we had an option to mount / dismount them per Kaleun's desire in the game...

[flakmonkey]

flakmonkey said he has some pics of it.

Well i have to concede defeat on this one, after looking through 1000+ uboat pics i had no luck, although i did spot a few VIIbs with non standard towers and indeed a VIIc with what looked more like a VIIb tower but no VIIcs with the net cutter. Im still almost certain ive seen a pic of one somewhere, maybe i imagined it!

[TH0R]

After browsing through this thread (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=149950), I have found some pictures of type VIIC with net cutters and wave breakers, although the majority of them are without:

Wave breakers on U-201:
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1127/u201.jpg

Wave breakers and net cutters on U-205:
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7221/u205dateetlieuinconnus.jpg




EDIT: Some more VIIC pictures:

Net cutters on U-551:
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2070/u551ensurface.jpg

Wave breakers (I think) on U-560:
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1347/u560.jpg


More details on net cutters, breakwaters and wind deflectors from the same thread (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1082962&postcount=234):

Net cutters (parts 111 to 114)
Two net cutters were present at the bow of the very earliest VIICs - one on the deck and the other below the waterline on the stem. On 1st March 1941 the order remove the net cutters was issued. As a result, most of the net cutters were removed in March and April 1941.
However, the net cutters were not removed from all boats in this period. For example, U 96 still had net cutters when arriving back from patrol on the 22nd May 1941. Similarly, U 94 still had net cutters when returning from patrol on the 4th June 1941. U 94 had been in port throughout March, and again for 11 days in April. But there are a variety of reasons why the net cutters were not removed from U 94 during these two periods. One reason may have been the necessity to get the boat back to sea as quickly as possible.
Opinions on whether the lower net cutter was removed at the same time as the upper net cutter vary. Some hold that the lower one may have been left in place (too difficult to remove cheaply and easily), while others hold the view that both would have been removed at the same time.
Some or all of the earliest VIICs built at Germaniawerft (U 69 to U 72, and U 93 to U 98) had the lower net cutters when launched, but not the S-G. Certainly this was the case with U 70. Presumably the S-G device was fitted to U 70 and others when it became available. Fitting the S-G may have meant removing the lower net cutter.

Breakwaters (parts 115 & 116)
The earliest VIICs all had breakwaters fitted to the top of the hull casing to protect the 88mm deck gun crews from waves. It appears that the process of removing the breakwaters usually occurred during the April/May/June 1941 period. Prior to this the breakwaters were generally present, while after this they were generally absent.
A pattern of small, round free-flooding holes usually replaced the breakwaters. This was intended to help the boat dive slightly faster, but any improvement must have been marginal. Some boats, and indeed all of the late war VIICs and VIIC/41s, did not have any holes in this area at all.

Wind deflector (parts 121 or 124)
Another modification was the wind deflector. Fitted around the outside edge of the top of the tower, this flange was intended to block some of the wind and spray that hit the lookouts’ faces. Note that this wind defector is not to be confused with the spray defector that featured halfway up the tower on every VIIC.
The earliest VIICs did not have the wind deflector. The process of fitting this feature seems to have been between December 1940 and December 1941 or so – a far greater time period than the process of removing the net cutters or breakwaters. One of the first boats to be fitted with this feature was U 69: it was present during the boat’s commissioning ceremony on the 2nd November 1940. Other early examples of boats with the wind deflector are U 651 (December 1940), U 71 or U 72 (January 1941), U 69 (March 1941) and U 96 (April 1941). But most boats during this period did not have this feature. It began to appear very slowly throughout the course of 1941. By July 1941, U 203 and U 701 did not have this feature. U 201 did not have the wind deflector in July either, and may not even have had this in September 1941. Nor did U 559 have this feature by late October 1941, while U 564 appears not to have had a wind deflector in November 1941. Unusually, the VIIB U 73 did not even have this feature in September 1942, but this appears to be an exception. By 1942 it was almost universally present.
Generally speaking, therefore, the wind deflector appeared as early as November 1940 but was still not present on some boats in November 1941.

Combinations on popular boats
Net cutters = nc, breakwaters = bw, wind deflector = wd

U 96 –
1st Aug 1940 nc-yes bw-yes wd-no
Apr-May 1941 nc-yes bw-no wd-yes
27th Oct 1941 nc-no bw-no wd-yes
Note that the combination featured on U 96 in April and May 1941 (4th patrol) was quite unusual.

U 201 –
7th Dec 1940 nc-yes bw-yes wd-no
Jan-May 1941 nc-no bw-yes wd-no
Jun-Aug 1941 nc-no bw-no wd-no
Later in 1941 nc-no bw-no wd-yes

U 552 -
14th Sep 1940 nc-yes bw-yes wd-no
1941 nc-no bw-yes wd-no
Later in 1941 nc-no bw-no wd-yes
The addition of the wind defector to U 552 may have occurred during the same refit as the removal of the breakwaters or, as in the case of U 201, during a later refit.

[Florent]

Prien's U47 VIIb has a tower like a VIIc, there is no cut on the basis thus the fact that the in game VIIb is not like the b in silent Hunter III is a no problem for me.:D

[oscar19681]

Prien's U47 VIIb has a tower like a VIIc, there is no cut on the basis thus the fact that the in game VIIb is not like the b in silent Hunter III is a no problem for me.:D

I dont want to sound like the old one here. But u-47 was a VIIA. Also sh-III did indeed have the correct VIIB

http://worldwartwozone.com/photopost/data/500/medium/u-47.jpg

[ReFaN]

Perhaps its unrealistic, but hell it sure looks 100% better then the Real VIIB tower :D

[oscar19681]

Perhaps its unrealistic, but hell it sure looks 100% better then the Real VIIB tower :D

In that case why not have an m1a1 turret with a 120mm smootbore gun , laser range finder and ballistic computer insted of the historical deck gun in sh-5. That would look so much cooler!:haha:

[ReFaN]

In that case why not have an m1a1 turret with a 120mm smootbore gun , laser range finder and ballistic computer insted of the historical deck gun in sh-5. That would look so much cooler!:haha:

Perhaps a modder can do this?

:woot:

[piri_reis]

Perhaps a modder can do this?
:woot:

Didn't the devs already take care of the laser range finder?

[TH0R]

I dont want to sound like the old one here. But u-47 was a VIIA...

Not true: http://www.uboat.net/boats/u47.htm

Though, if you look here:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=149950&page=2

some VIIB's had VIIA tower, or so it seems...


But it is easy to confuse them as in early days they didn't have spray defectors fitted on their conning towers.

[Florent]

In the books and Wikipedia U47 is an early VII b it doesn't have also a stern torpedo with bulge typial of VIIa.

[Rhodes]

In the books and Wikipedia U47 is an early VII b it doesn't have also a stern torpedo with bulge typial of VIIa.

What Books? And wikipedia?

Type VIIB U45-55, 4 bow tubes; 1 stern tube!
The type seven B main diferences from the type seven, that after B was denominated A, was the internal stern tube, diffrent conning tower shape; the flak gun being in the tower, and the improved range, fuel capacity, etc; that I can not remember at this time.

[TH0R]

I do believe that is what Florent said Rhodes. :)

[Florent]

Wikipedia : unterseeboot type VII
I have an Orbis publishing of the 1984-86 Weapons Encyclopedia about Axis Submarine. And an Heimdal book about submarine, in both U47 is a type b or early type b.
On propaganda films on youtube about U47, when you can look at the stern, there is no indication of a type A stern (a bulge). Only VIIa had this bulge.

[Herr Minger]

Sorry to argue with you Oscar19681 but Priens U-47 was a type VIIB. Check on u boat.net. Grrrr I've done it again, sorry folks but I make the mistake of not reading the rest of the thread.

[oscar19681]

Neal has a copy. Maybe we could prevail upon him to post screenshots of the different in-game models so we can compare them.

Seems in NEAL,s "Farewell, old friend"" video it is already shown that the VIIB u-boat seen though the scope does seem to have the wrong conning tower. Unless ofcourse its a VIIC with a wire cutter. But i doubt it and i think this is the way the VIIB is modeled in sh-5 . At least in the preview version it is. Lets hope they fixed this for the final version or in an upcomming patch. Otherwise offer us a VIIB in the game if it looks exaclty like the VIIC model but only with a wire-cutter.

[quad5]

some VIIB's had VIIA tower, or so it seems...

But it is easy to confuse them as in early days they didn't have spray defectors fitted on their conning towers.

+100000!!!:yep:

[quad5]

I cannot understand why UBI commit such errors in the presence of a considerable quantity of archival documents, photos and drawings? It is simply silly!

Where VIIB tower??? Why VIIC tower does not correspond to the original??? Why???!!!

[flakmonkey]

In that case why not have an m1a1 turret with a 120mm smootbore gun , laser range finder and ballistic computer insted of the historical deck gun in sh-5. That would look so much cooler!:haha:

Grrrrr!

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6189/turretshot.jpg

[Florent]

Anyway we will see at release, look at early screenshots in August, there were the correct late VIIb tower.
A recent screenshot showed an update screen depicting the tower and written as " at start of the war " thus that we get. The better is to see next week rather than speculate.

[Rhodes]

I do believe that is what Florent said Rhodes. :)

Wikipedia : unterseeboot type VII
I have an Orbis publishing of the 1984-86 Weapons Encyclopedia about Axis Submarine. And an Heimdal book about submarine, in both U47 is a type b or early type b.
On propaganda films on youtube about U47, when you can look at the stern, there is no indication of a type A stern (a bulge). Only VIIa had this bulge.

Yes, I missunderstud. I was lost in translation. Sorry!

[oscar19681]

Anyway we will see at release, look at early screenshots in August, there were the correct late VIIb tower.
A recent screenshot showed an update screen depicting the tower and written as " at start of the war " thus that we get. The better is to see next week rather than speculate.

linky please?

[oscar19681]

Grrrrr!

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6189/turretshot.jpg
http://whatitslikeontheinside.com/uploaded_images/Make-It-So-776665.jpg

[fw66]

I heard that you can upgrade to the m1a1 turret if your captain has gained level 14 deck gun skill and you've defeated the Kraken Boss on level 34.

You do of course need to have earned the torpedoes of doom loot from the Davy Jones' Locker level - it's the only way to knock off all those hit points.

[oscar19681]

Anyway we will see at release, look at early screenshots in August, there were the correct late VIIb tower.
A recent screenshot showed an update screen depicting the tower and written as " at start of the war " thus that we get. The better is to see next week rather than speculate.

Again could you please point out where the screenshot is at? I cannot find it anywhere.

[gandalf71]

Grrrrr!

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6189/turretshot.jpg

Always ahead of your time eeh?! :haha:

http://www.rheinmetall-detec.de/index.php?fid=2675&qid=&qpage=0〈=3&query=monarc (http://www.rheinmetall-detec.de/index.php?fid=2675&qid=&qpage=0&lang=3&query=monarc)

Cheers Michael

[oscar19681]

Always ahead of your time eeh?! :haha:

http://www.rheinmetall-detec.de/index.php?fid=2675&qid=&qpage=0〈=3&query=monarc (http://www.rheinmetall-detec.de/index.php?fid=2675&qid=&qpage=0&lang=3&query=monarc)

Cheers Michael

LOL! You got to be ****ting me!

[oscar19681]

Ok its official ! They screwed up the VIIB model in sh-5 in the final version. Check the 3rd post of this thread. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162521&page=17
I mean so much material of the VIIB literaly a click away on the internet and they give the VIIB the wrong conning tower.
How could they make a mistake like this?

[Nordmann]

*Sigh* Unless the developers are sub fans, I doubt they even noticed, or cared. It's a pity, but no different to any other developer producing so called "historical" games. As you said, there's enough information available, even if they don't want to buy the books; the internet is literally brimming with info on these things.

While it is a small detail, it is one which is readily apparent to anyone who knows anything about U-boats. Another reason why I suspect this title has been developed with the casual gamer in mind.

[kylania]

Ok its official ! They screwed up the VIIB model in sh-5 in the final version. Check the 3rd post of this thread. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162521&page=17
I mean so much material of the VIIB literaly a click away on the internet and they give the VIIB the wrong conning tower.
How could they make a mistake like this?

I'm not really seeing the screw up here. Here's a comparison of the shots that CCIP made in game with a retail copy and historic shots of U-48, a VIIB boat:

http://www.kylania.com/sh3/u48tn.jpg (http://www.kylania.com/sh3/u48full.jpg)

[Heretic]

Looking at Anatomy of the Ship Type VII U-boat, it appears that the splash shield is the later type found on the C and the exhaust fairing on the stbd side isn't there, so it's likely the same model. Honestly, they're so similar, the devs probably just saved the man hours for use elsewhere. 95% of the buyers wouldn't notice it anyway.

[oscar19681]

I'm not really seeing the screw up here. Here's a comparison of the shots that CCIP made in game with a retail copy and historic shots of U-48, a VIIB boat:

http://www.kylania.com/sh3/u48tn.jpg (http://www.kylania.com/sh3/u48full.jpg)

do you even know the visual differences of the VIIB and VIIC? If not check this to find out.

http://www.hq.wwiionline.com/profiles/u_boat4.jpg

http://www.german-uboats.com/Uboat%20Photos/U53-2.jpg

Now the VIIC conning tower.
http://hsfeatures.com/features04/images/u552dj_32.jpg

I mean is it so hard to see the difference? They did it right in sh-3 and in sh-5 they get it wrong?

[kylania]

Both U-53 (http://uboat.net/boats/u53.htm) (the one you posted) and U-48 (http://uboat.net/boats/u48.htm) (the one I posted) are VIIB boats. I guess there were multiple conning towers for VIIBs and Ubisoft picked one to use?

[Heretic]

Oscar19681 is correct. Look at the splash shield, the exhaust fairing, and the rear profile of the flak platform. It is a VIIC conning tower.

Where I think he's incorrect is in thinking that it was an oversight. It was almost certainly a case of "close enough, we ain't got time for it". It'll likely be fixed in a patch or failing that, will be modded.

[CaptainNemo12]

Both U-53 (http://uboat.net/boats/u53.htm) (the one you posted) and U-48 (http://uboat.net/boats/u48.htm) (the one I posted) are VIIB boats. I guess there were multiple conning towers for VIIBs and Ubisoft picked one to use?

Correction: The U-boat posted in this shot is actually the U-52:up:

http://www.german-uboats.com/Uboat%20Photos/U53-2.jpg

The type VIIB had numerous tower types during the war, the above configuration is most likely from 1940 to 1941, after which the towers were replaced with VIIC style towers and most of the boats allocated to training flotillas.

[oscar19681]

Correction: The U-boat posted in this shot is actually the U-52:up:

http://www.german-uboats.com/Uboat%20Photos/U53-2.jpg

The type VIIB had numerous tower types during the war, the above configuration is most likely from 1940 to 1941, after which the towers were replaced with VIIC style towers and most of the boats allocated to training flotillas.

I think you are confused with the fact that there were VIIC,s with wirecutters. I never seen any evidence that there were ever VIIB,s with a VIIC tower.

[Nordmann]

It'll likely be fixed in a patch or failing that, will be modded.

I doubt that very much. If some of the posters on here can't recognise the difference between a VIIB and VIIC, then you can bet your backside Ubi certainly will not. In any case, now that the model is done, they won't go back and change it to satisfy those in the know (probably a minority). It will have to be modded, assuming the game is moddable in the first place.

[CaptainNemo12]

I think you are confused with the fact that there were VIIC,s with wirecutters. I never seen any evidence that there were ever VIIB,s with a VIIC tower.

By VIIC-style towers I meant that there was a down swept windbreaker at the top. U-52 in this case had such a modification done to her after becoming a training boat:

http://triton.imageshack.us/Himg207/scaled.php?server=207&filename=u52le10oct1942.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=480http://triton.imageshack.us/Himg11/scaled.php?server=11&filename=u52et1942.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=480
http://triton.imageshack.us/Himg8/scaled.php?server=8&filename=u52kiosqueetemblmes.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=480

[oscar19681]

By VIIC-style towers I meant that there was a down swept windbreaker at the top. U-52 in this case had such a modification done to her after becoming a training boat:

http://triton.imageshack.us/Himg207/scaled.php?server=207&filename=u52le10oct1942.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=480http://triton.imageshack.us/Himg11/scaled.php?server=11&filename=u52et1942.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=480
http://triton.imageshack.us/Himg8/scaled.php?server=8&filename=u52kiosqueetemblmes.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=480

I wasent talking the swept windbreakers but about the different shape of the tower itself

[oscar19681]

Seems its allready taking care off.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162757

[CaptainNemo12]

Yes, the rear of the towers were indeed different between the B and C models, seems more logical that they would replace the windbreaker instead of the whole tower during the refit.

[Heretic]

I imagine they repaired with whatever the yard had on hand. Stands to reason after they switched over to C's, B's would end up getting repaired with some of the C parts.

[Florent]

It seems that as read above there were some changes during the war and the VIIb was build in 2 or 3 different places.
Take U47 an early VIIb, during the Scapa flow expedition it had not the typical b cut tower but more like a c with middle air wind deflector, the superior part of tower is like a type a. Look at the picture showing the 66587 tonneaux sunk + video on you tube.
If you look at a photo taken on february 23 1941 (last mission), U47 has now the typical VIIb tower with the huge air exhaust on the sides.
I searched for the early screen where i thought there were a typical b but it wasn't.
Thus perhaps the campaign will have the different towers. Photos taken yesterday were taken from missions not the campaign. We will see rapidly now.

[quad5]

I doubt that very much. If some of the posters on here can't recognise the difference between a VIIB and VIIC, then you can bet your backside Ubi certainly will not. In any case, now that the model is done, they won't go back and change it to satisfy those in the know (probably a minority).

Very badly! The situation with models in game calls into question into the competence of designers UBI.:down::damn:

[quad5]

I mean is it so hard to see the difference? They did it right in sh-3 and in sh-5 they get it wrong?

It is a shame for UBI!:down::down::down:

[urfisch]

It is a shame for UBI!:down::down::down:

as to the models names, ubi didnt model the 3d objects in romania. they where modeled in a spanish country. and this is a common way...to "import" the models from countries, with cheaper 3d modelers. but what about quality management? seems, they only took the delivered models and put them in the game, without checking them...also the flags mast in front of the boat is in again.

this is a fail. right.

:nope:

[Florent]

When you look at the banner on Marinesims.de the VIIb is different more like early b à la Prien. The top of Conning tower is like type a.

[oscar19681]

When you look at the banner on Marinesims.de the VIIb is different more like early b à la Prien. The top of Conning tower is like type a.

Thats because its a VIIA

[Florent]

No early VIIb, the type a doesn't have a wind deflector in the middle of the conning tower and a type a has a bulge astern for the non reloadable torpedo tube. Here there is no bulge caracteristic of a type and has the wind deflector in middle of conning tower, thus early b like Prien U47 in October 1940.
Yesterday VII b was either a very late b or CCI did a mistake in the type posted.

[oscar19681]

Did someone allready fix this into sh-5?

[oscar19681]

I thought dan said they were gonna fix the VIIB conning tower in patch 2?

[oscar19681]

Uhm am i the only one interested in historical accurate models?