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THE_MASK

02-22-10, 04:58 PM

HundertzehnGustav

02-22-10, 05:03 PM

*raises hand*

frau kaleun

02-22-10, 05:09 PM

*hangs head in shame*

I'm just in it for the lulz.

Actually, I'll prolly buy it, if and when It That Shall Not Be Named is no longer an issue. So I'm interested in what the game will be like, sure.

Nordmann

02-22-10, 06:01 PM

Oh noes, you haven't bought SH5, so you can't talk about it! Grow up please, that's not the purpose of a forum.

Iron Budokan

02-22-10, 06:19 PM

Task Force

02-22-10, 06:22 PM

Lol... yep, I think Id have more fun with NTW anyways... I still got SH3... :yep:

Sgtmonkeynads

02-22-10, 07:11 PM

My names Aaron, and I'm an Sh user.
It all started when a friend gave me some SH III for free to try.
Next thing you know I'm shooting up pure GWX and snort'n SHIV daily.
So now that SH V is almost here, I need a bigger fix man!
I've was cutting my play time with trips to this forum, just to catch up with new things, but now I'm using SubSim all the time.
I can't stop man....

LiveGoat

02-22-10, 07:14 PM

Guilty as charged.

Ducimus

02-22-10, 07:15 PM

Is there a new breed of silent hunter user called the silent hunter watcher . The myriad of people who will soak up all there game experiance of SH5 by watching the SH5 forum and getting there fix from that rather than buying the game LOL.

Damn skippy. Besides that, a good portion of the game experience, ive already been through in SH4. Yup, on release day i'll be sitting here with a big bowl of popcorn ready for watching the next unfolding drama, "SH5, Bugs of the Atlantic"

Turbografx

02-22-10, 08:26 PM

Damn skippy. Besides that, a good portion of the game experience, ive already been through in SH4. Yup, on release day i'll be sitting here with a big bowl of popcorn ready for watching the next unfolding drama, "SH5, Bugs of the Atlantic"

Yep, same.

Only for me its not the bugs, its the direction.

I'm a sim enthusiast, I like simulations. SHV appears to a be a casual game; most simmers really get into their experience, they know their stuff and want a deeper experience.

SHV will be the "lite beer" of the sim world if you will and I'm definitely a Belgian dubbel kind of guy.

Steeltrap

02-22-10, 09:08 PM

Oh noes, you haven't bought SH5, so you can't talk about it! Grow up please, that's not the purpose of a forum.

Chill, friend.

Sober didn't say anything about people not being 'allowed' to post. He was noting, if I read correctly, the irony of the situation and having a little laugh.

Telling anyone to grow up isn't exactly the purpose of the forum, either, just quietly.....

Cheers

Oh, and I'll also be a watcher.

As the movie said...."I like to watch"

Sailor Steve

02-22-10, 09:12 PM

It's too bad I can't play it, because I prefer being there to watching.

THE_MASK

02-22-10, 09:17 PM

Oh noes, you haven't bought SH5, so you can't talk about it! Grow up please, that's not the purpose of a forum.
Gone off on a wrong tangent i think . The thread was about turning people from sim buyers to sim watchers . Nothing sinister about that . I hope that the thing gets resolved and the bugs are patched out , the game is highly moddable , you can buy DLC if you want and free beer flows from underground springs .

THE_MASK

02-22-10, 09:18 PM

It's too bad I can't play it, because I prefer being there to watching.Yeah , you have said that about one million trillion times :yeah:

Sailor Steve

02-22-10, 09:24 PM

Yeah , you have said that about one million trillion times :yeah:
Then you missed it.

Maybe I was too subtle.

IanC

02-22-10, 09:26 PM

and free beer flows from underground springs .

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Heretic

02-22-10, 09:36 PM

Perhaps after the game is released, they'll set up some small unobtrusive sub-sub-forum somewhere for people to discuss the game without interrupting the more important discussions.

mookiemookie

02-22-10, 10:13 PM

I'd submit a corollary to this: The SH5 Bitcher. Someone who has no intention of ever buying the game and continues to inform everyone else exactly that, for whatever reason or another.

Turbografx

02-22-10, 10:28 PM

for whatever reason or another.

Out of (reasonable) concern for the franchise / state of sub simming in general and desperate hope for intervention possibly?

mookiemookie

02-22-10, 10:36 PM

Out of (reasonable) concern for the franchise / state of sub simming in general and desperate hope for intervention possibly?

I never passed judgement on the validity of their reasons. ;)

Brag

02-23-10, 06:26 AM

Perhaps after the game is released, they'll set up some small unobtrusive sub-sub-forum somewhere for people to discuss the game without interrupting the more important discussions.

Absolutely right!. We are seeing an interesting phenomena. People have their gaze fixated on the candy store window and not paying attention to the muggers stalking them.

Fortunatelly, thousands inside and outside this forum are protestesting and protecting the candy gazers.

:salute::salute::salute:

TDK1044

02-23-10, 07:09 AM

I'll watch and enjoy the usual chaos that goes with any new Silent Hunter release. Even more drama this time because of you know what. :DL

There will be differences this time though. Many of the usual modders won't be touching the game in its early months....and possibly not at all. The JSGME will be a crap shoot. If the current version works with SH5 then great. If it doesn't, then folks will have to add and remove mods manually because JSGME won't be made compatible by its creator until an offline version of the game becomes available.

So I expect the usual buggy Ubisoft release, requiring significant patching and with fewer mods available. :)

AVGWarhawk

02-23-10, 08:26 AM

SH5, Bugs of the Atlantic

Now that is just plain funny. However, we hope there are no bugs. The preview beta by the one simulation site said it crashed a few times. Only beta he was previewing I believe. Hope that is ironed out. Hope there is no infamous 'A' key CTD. Nothing like putting a piece of tape over the A key so you remember not to hit it!

I think most of the what-fer, let me tell you and I'mma gonna has already been said so perhaps that will lesson the normal chaos than usual. Then again, just what is normal. :hmmm:

Bilge_Rat

02-23-10, 09:44 AM

SHV will be the "lite beer" of the sim world if you will and I'm definitely a Belgian dubbel kind of guy.

Maybe I am missing something since I have read/seen the same previews/articles/videos everyone else has, but what piece of info makes everyone think this will be more lite than SH3 or SH4 when released. From what I can see it is will have the same realism settings as SH3/4.

razark

02-23-10, 10:16 AM

The JSGME will be a crap shoot. If the current version works with SH5 then great. If it doesn't, then folks will have to add and remove mods manually because JSGME won't be made compatible by its creator until an offline version of the game becomes available.

Based on how JSGME works, I'd say the devs would need to be quite malicious to make SH5 not work with it.

Méo

02-23-10, 10:33 AM

OakGroove

02-23-10, 11:03 AM

Guess it's just voyeurism ... like visiting a panoptikum. You are somehow fascinated by that beautifully crafted wax figure - but also aware that the magic will be gone as soon as you examine closer or touch it.

Turbografx

02-23-10, 12:48 PM

Maybe I am missing something since I have read/seen the same previews/articles/videos everyone else has, but what piece of info makes everyone think this will be more lite than SH3 or SH4 when released. From what I can see it is will have the same realism settings as SH3/4.

Well, it appears to inherit many of the shortcomings of SH3 (unmodded) e.g.

Lack of attention to detail in models and bugs carrying over from past games e.g. conning towers, propeller spin, submerged crew etc.
"Zippy" ships
Health point system
Cylindrical navigation
Lack of specific control (engines, trim, ballast)

and adds some new ones:

Crew abilities:
Crush depth - knowing how to handle the systems, the chief engineer, can increase the maximum depth for his boat.

Maneuvering - The submarine will turn faster either surfaced or submerged.

Reveal hidden enemies - Based on intuition and experience, the sound guy, can unveil hidden enemies where nothing seems to be.

Total revealing - An experienced sound guy is able to offer you more information about the hydrophone targets than usual. You will be able to see on your map all contacts as if are in visual range.

Warheads specialist - A veteran Torpedoman is able to adjust the torpedo systems in order to obtain a longer range and higher damage.

Pre-heat torpedo - Pre-heating the torpedo systems just before the firing, the torpedo damage and speed will be increased.

Suppress fire - the guns crew will open fire against enemy gunners suppressing them, lowering the enemy guns damage and accuracy.

The gunner knows how to use the ammunition suited for the right situation. The damage is increased for all weapons.

Navigator skills can lower fuel consumption.

Ability to "magically" know via radar-like mini-map the enemy line of sight / detection range (you can close this minimap).

Imprecise TDC controlsNow, I never played SH3 or 4 without mods, I waited 4-6 months before I got either. That said, I don't think SH5 will necessarily be any MORE gamey than 3/4 but I wasn't happy with those at release either. I was hoping the next game in the series would incorporate the best improvements from the mods as standard. I continue to live in hope that eventually things will get better at some point or that another group will start making subsims (fat chance they would be any better).

I was introduced to the subsim through Wolfpack, Aces of the Deep and Silent Hunter. These, while certainly far from perfect, had a number of realism features absent in more recent titles (before modding). My judgment also comes from the perspective of an avid flight simmer, a genre which has many very high-fidelity products.

I think SH5 may very well be a good platform for modding, and 6 months down the line I will buy it. I just don't think I would really call it an accurate simulator straight out of the box. Ubi marketing agrees, the game is classified as "action-adventure".

Ducimus

02-23-10, 02:09 PM

Now that is just plain funny. However, we hope there are no bugs. The preview beta by the one simulation site said it crashed a few times. Only beta he was previewing I believe. Hope that is ironed out. Hope there is no infamous 'A' key CTD. Nothing like putting a piece of tape over the A key so you remember not to hit it!

I think most of the what-fer, let me tell you and I'mma gonna has already been said so perhaps that will lesson the normal chaos than usual. Then again, just what is normal. :hmmm:

Well, as the old saying goes, you can wish (hope) on one hand, and crap in the other, which do you think will get full first? The reality of it, as i see it, is:

a.) When was the last time any of these games came decent running out of the box? Seems to me, 4 patchs are the norm

b.) There is new development here, with a relatively short time period as far as can be gleamed. New stuff, and deadlines = bugs.

c.) SH5 used SH4 as a base. which has a ton of unresolved bugs.

d.) SH4 used SH3 as a base, which also has its own issues, though not as serious as SH4.

So what you have here is a game that in all likelyhood will inheirt all the flaws and behaviors of its predecessors, with some new buggery overlayed on top of that.

HKLE

02-23-10, 02:19 PM

Happy hunting guys - me = one of the sidewalk crowd

no offense taken

:-)

Nordmann

02-23-10, 02:25 PM

Chill, friend.

Sober didn't say anything about people not being 'allowed' to post. He was noting, if I read correctly, the irony of the situation and having a little laugh.

Telling anyone to grow up isn't exactly the purpose of the forum, either, just quietly.....

Cheers

Oh, and I'll also be a watcher.

As the movie said...."I like to watch"

I'm sorry, I must have missed the irony, all I saw was a post commenting on this board's posters who have no intention of buying the game on release. Not very ironic.

Telling someone that telling someone to grow up is not the purpose of a forum, isn't exactly the purpose of a forum, either, just quietly.....

Cheers mate.

FIREWALL

02-23-10, 02:25 PM

LiveGoat

02-23-10, 02:29 PM

Wait, what?! No Kiel Canal? Is Kiel available at all in the game? :o

Bilge_Rat

02-23-10, 02:30 PM

Well, it appears to inherit many of the shortcomings of SH3 (unmodded) e.g.

Lack of attention to detail in models and bugs carrying over from past games e.g. conning towers, propeller spin, submerged crew etc.
"Zippy" ships
Health point system
Cylindrical navigation
Lack of specific control (engines, trim, ballast)

and adds some new ones:

Now, I never played SH3 or 4 without mods, I waited 4-6 months before I got either. That said, I don't think SH5 will necessarily be any MORE gamey than 3/4 but I wasn't happy with those at release either. I was hoping the next game in the series would incorporate the best improvements from the mods as standard. I continue to live in hope that eventually things will get better at some point or that another group will start making subsims (fat chance they would be any better).

I was introduced to the subsim through Wolfpack, Aces of the Deep and Silent Hunter. These, while certainly far from perfect, had a number of realism features absent in more recent titles (before modding). My judgment also comes from the perspective of an avid flight simmer, a genre which has many very high-fidelity products.

I think SH5 may very well be a good platform for modding, and 6 months down the line I will buy it. I just don't think I would really call it an accurate simulator straight out of the box. Ubi marketing agrees, the game is classified as "action-adventure".

I do not disagree with your assessment.

Just an additional point, special crew abilities were already present in SH3 and SH4 and having the performance of the crew vary based on skill and experience is standard in most sims, whether land, sea or air based.

In other sims however, crew performance is based on military experience categories, i.e. "conscript", "green", "regular", "veteran", "crack", "elite". Obviously one mistake Ubi made was in using RPG type categories which would be more suited to Fallout 3 than Silent Hunter 5.

Nisgeis

02-23-10, 02:33 PM

Wait, what?! No Kiel Canal? Is Kiel available at all in the game? :o

Kiel will be there, but not the canal.

Bilge_Rat

02-23-10, 02:36 PM

You are missing something or, you need a eye checkup.:DL

I just got some new glasses, let me see if that helps...

....(cleans new rose tinted glasses)....

no, still looks the same...:arrgh!:

Heretic

02-23-10, 02:41 PM

In other sims however, crew performance is based on military experience categories, i.e. "conscript", "green", "regular", "veteran", "crack", "elite". Obviously one mistake Ubi made was in using RPG type categories which would be more suited to Fallout 3 than Silent Hunter 5.

I disagree that that is a mistake. It fits in with their larger strategy of making the game more accessible to the casual game by using terminology and concepts they are familiar with - levels, special abilities, that sort of thing. Sub sims, in particular, have a lot of specialized language and concepts. The 'dumbed down' interface and terminology are intended to reduce the learning curve for the 90% of their target audience who doesn't eat, drink, and sleep submarines. In any case, they're just text labels in some file somewhere. We can change them to whatever we want.

As long as 'our game' is still under there, I don't really care what they layer on top of it to attract the sales they need to justify making the game.

FIREWALL

02-23-10, 02:45 PM

How many have bothered to CLOSELY read and look at screenshots of Neals Preview ?

http://www.subsim.com/2010_02/sh5/preview_sh5_feb2010.php

Nisgeis

02-23-10, 02:59 PM

That's not fair Firewall, making people read stuff and look at stuff to get information. For those that have the attention span of a flea:

http://www.subsim.com/2010_02/sh5/2010%2002%2007/sh5_intro/sh5%202010-02-18%2015-06-57-96.jpg (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/../2010_02/sh5/2010%2002%2007/sh5_intro/sh5%202010-02-18%2015-06-57-96.jpg)

This has also been commented on, in the preview thread.

Those that have been watching will also have noticed that you can still plot courses over land, for your TC beaching entertainment.

gimpy117

02-23-10, 03:17 PM

Bilge_Rat

02-23-10, 03:18 PM

The Kiel canal is an oversight.

Can someone refresh my memory, was it in stock SH3?

I was under the impression it was added by modders.

Task Force

02-23-10, 03:19 PM

I dont know... I can see ubi haveing server issues/slowdowns... one you get thousands of people trying to get on, and be connected at once... I think you will start knoticeing....

razark

02-23-10, 03:27 PM

The Kiel canal is an oversight.

Can someone refresh my memory, was it in stock SH3?

I was under the impression it was added by modders.

No, it was not in stock.

OakGroove

02-23-10, 03:33 PM

If memory serves correct it was "ref" who released terrain editing tools, making the Nord-Ostsee-Kanal and others possible. Later it was incooperated in mods like LSH and GWX.

Ducimus

02-23-10, 04:16 PM

The Kiel canal is an oversight.

Can someone refresh my memory, was it in stock SH3?

I was under the impression it was added by modders.

Not in stock, never was. Not the panama canal either. Kiel canal was added later by mod. Now the lack of Kiel canal... here's an educated guess on why:

The dev's have alot to do, and are on a time table. So they have to prioritize. Revisiting old code or program resource that still works, just for the sake of polish isn't likely to happen.

ERPP8

02-23-10, 04:19 PM

I'm buying it.
In fact I'm figuring out haw to have it delivered ASAP and get the best version.

jwilliams

02-23-10, 04:28 PM

personally ill buy it if i feel like it. I bought Rise of flight and "endured" the "horrible" DRM it came with and had no big issues. sure, the server went down occasionally...but for a small Eastern European company their reliability was good. i dont think it will really be a problem with a company the size of Ubisoft

In short, Yes, i'll buy silent hunter 5 if it is the game that it looks like it will be.

Have you looked at ubisoft's UPlay forums...... so many people complaining about the servers (alot cant even log in to the servers).

And guess what??? OSP uses the same servers!!!!

rascal101

02-23-10, 11:10 PM

When, and if the thing which must not be named is removed I will purchase - not before - Any one who buys this with the DRM has only themselves to blame if they encounter difficulties

You want DRM read this http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/hated-and-broken-article?page=2

I'f you want the DRM you are a fool! If you buy a game knowingly with DRM onboard you are still a fool - simple as that - you cannot be half pregnant or a bit dead - you are - or you are not - make up your mind

Love the SubSim community

Best Regards

Rascal

R*hangs head in shame*

I'm just in it for the lulz.

Actually, I'll prolly buy it, if and when It That Shall Not Be Named is no longer an issue. So I'm interested in what the game will be like, sure.

Méo

02-23-10, 11:35 PM

you are still a fool - simple as that

And then there's the type who insult and belittle people who don't have exactly the same feelings on a particular subject as they do. Got a name for them too?

I guess some people just take it as a personal affront if you don't share their level of outrage over their pet issue. They apparently think insulting people and generally being as annoying as possible is a dandy way to win people over to their side.

Bump.

gimpy117

02-24-10, 12:03 AM

Have you looked at ubisoft's UPlay forums...... so many people complaining about the servers (alot cant even log in to the servers).

And guess what??? OSP uses the same servers!!!!

no i have not. you've got me there. but it still does not change the fact that i think this whole DRM thing has been blown way our of proportion.