When you think SHV what do you think of?

[ERPP8]

So many people only talk about "How much DRM sucks"
There are 5 good videos showing gameplay.
Why not talk about the game rather than:
-Don't you think the SHV graphics looks cool?
-Sure but DRM sucks!
-The future of SHV is dead
DRM isn't the only thing we know about SHV

[FIREWALL]

It's pretty no doubt. Figureing everything out will be a challenge but, that's what makes it fun.

I have no problem with one boat and 1943.

Heck in no time at all (3-6 months) Add-on for more boats and 44&45 plus drm patch $19.99 to $29.99 :03:

And that's when I'll buy it. :yep:

[onelifecrisis]

A poll to talk about whether or not people will/should/want to talk about DRM? :doh:

[Nordmann]

The game does seem interesting, and I like the idea of a fully rendered interior, despite some of the animation issues. The only problem I see at this time is the DRM, which is most definitely worthy of discussion. If we do not discuss it, and fail to make our voices heard, what is to stop other companies from taking the OSP route?

[Letum]

Talk about loaded choices and irony!

[thruster]

i see a great game made useless by DRM.
i see me saving my SH5 money for something else. that still upsets me.

[evan82]

I think SH5 is far from the high real sub simulation game at this moment, but I can buy it for it's profits [all interior and better graphics...],
however only without DRM!!!:salute:

[Iron Budokan]

When I think of SH5 I think of a game I could have bought...but now will not.

[Platapus]

What do I think of when I think of SH5?

Gloom, despair, and agony on me
Deep, dark depression, excessive misery
If it weren't for DRM, I'd have no complaint at all
Gloom, despair, and agony on me

We figured SH5 was rich, loaded to the max
And we figured SH5 had class just like GWX
'Cause we had heard how great SH5 was going to look
How was we to know they meant only the stupid cook

Gloom, despair, and agony on me
Deep, dark depression, excessive misery
If it weren't for game-play, I'd have no complaint at all
Gloom, despair, and agony on me



:D

[V.C. Sniper]

ppl shud be talking about the actual game itself

[Heretic]

What do I think of when I think of SH5?

Gloom, despair, and agony on me
Deep, dark depression, excessive misery
If it weren't for DRM, I'd have no complaint at all
Gloom, despair, and agony on me

We figured SH5 was rich, loaded to the max
And we figured SH5 had class just like GWX
'Cause we had heard how great SH5 was going to look
How was we to know they meant only the stupid cook

Gloom, despair, and agony on me
Deep, dark depression, excessive misery
If it weren't for game-play, I'd have no complaint at all
Gloom, despair, and agony on me


:D

:har:

[The Enigma]

All things, negative AND positive, should be discussed.
This option wasn't available.

[ReFaN]

Uboats, no doubt. :D

[LiveGoat]

Sah-lute! And now our musical guests, the Statler Brothers. :rotfl2:

What do I think of when I think of SH5?

Gloom, despair, and agony on me
Deep, dark depression, excessive misery
If it weren't for DRM, I'd have no complaint at all
Gloom, despair, and agony on me

We figured SH5 was rich, loaded to the max
And we figured SH5 had class just like GWX
'Cause we had heard how great SH5 was going to look
How was we to know they meant only the stupid cook

Gloom, despair, and agony on me
Deep, dark depression, excessive misery
If it weren't for game-play, I'd have no complaint at all
Gloom, despair, and agony on me



:D

[Brag]

The game is useless while infected with DRM :down::down::down::down::down:

[Heretic]

When I think of SH5, I think of grilled cheese sandwiches and tomato soup.
Admittedly, that might have more to do with me being hungry than anything particular about the game.:hmmm:

[FIREWALL]

Setting the obvious aside. I'm concerned about the complexity or lack of it.

After enjoying running all over the boat like a rpg\shooter I hope there's boxes to tick or sliders to slide to bring it to 100% realism. And quickly move to any station I want.

Besides Kplt, I want to wear other hats. Plotting course, Setting up my attack, Setting up fireing solutions Spotting ships from the bridge,ect. ect.

There should be settings for casual players but, also 100% for the Hardcore too.

I don't want to wait 6mo's for modders to do their thing.
This should be Ubisofts best effort out of the box, bugs aside. That's why there's Patches. And I don't mean payware add-ons.

This so far hasn't been shown to my satisfaction.
And I'm the one that has to be satisfied. It's MY $50.00

Until it's released and studied, with a proper review it's all speculation.

[Kaleun Klink]

I voted for DRM as the only topic worth talking about, but only because Ubisoft's planned constant-Internet-connection DRM will prevent me from playing the game.

I have nothing against DRM per se... as long as it's not so intrusive it actually prevents people from playing the game!

:down:

[the_belgian]

i choose for "People should focus more on the actual game " there is so much said about DRM but i think this is the future we will see evolving and in the end become a standard.why?internetconections have evolved(when i started gaming there wasn't even internet nearby!) and will keep evolving in the future.
maybe in a few years we go to a (web-)store and buy our game-code and enter it into our computer and get a direct download of all needed files together with a storageroom for our data,mods and so on on a gamesserver.but the future has to start somewhere,why not now!

therefore on the subject silent hunter V,i think we should focus on the gameplay and what it will bring to both hardcore and recreational players.
we have too look further into the possibilaties the game will offer and what we can make out of it using our imagination and knowledge.

[FIREWALL]

i choose for "People should focus more on the actual game " there is so much said about DRM but i think this is the future we will see evolving and in the end become a standard.why?internetconections have evolved(when i started gaming there wasn't even internet nearby!) and will keep evolving in the future.
maybe in a few years we go to a (web-)store and buy our game-code and enter it into our computer and get a direct download of all needed files together with a storageroom for our data,mods and so on on a gamesserver.but the future has to start somewhere,why not now!

therefore on the subject silent hunter V,i think we should focus on the gameplay and what it will bring to both hardcore and recreational players.
we have too look further into the possibilaties the game will offer and what we can make out of it using our imagination and knowledge.

You like the future huh ? I have a server. How about storeing your bank info on it ?:haha:

[the_belgian]

You like the future huh ? I have a server. How about storeing your bank info on it ?:haha:

like pa*yp*ll or webbanking you mean?
that's something verry diferent(unless you have something to hide!)!

"those who have seen the past hope for a better future."

[FIREWALL]

like pa*yp*ll or webbanking you mean?
that's something verry diferent(unless you have something to hide!)!

"those who have seen the past hope for a better future."

And "those" who have had their idenity stolen are fighting to get their future back. :yep:

I'm all for hi-tech, worse than most and like things that make my life easier. But I draw the line somewhere.

[HundertzehnGustav]

The game is useless while infected with DRM :down::down::down::down::down:
+1

Besides...
your poll shows what YOU think we should discuss or not, and is therefor worthless.
Its biased and not asking what people think but suggestive.

Pollfail.

[janh]

The set of possible answers in this poll is incomplete and thus the result statistically insignificant. A number of alternative answers suggested by the given ones are missing. With the given possible answers, no critique against the DRM as well as the game is possible, for instance. This is a non-legitimate way to bias a statistical poll to obtain a certain result... kind of obvious, isn't it? Quite evidently the author of the poll wanted to achieve a certain result, or is lacking the skill to set up a poll in a meaningful way. Thus, this poll better would better closed.

My chosen answer: "This online DRM is a terrible idea and brings about severe drawbacks for single-player games that I as a customer am not willing to take. Also I find that the quality of the product SHV needs to be established first before I consider buying it at full price (after DRM removal). Both currently needs critical reviewing. Or the sales numbers may tumble below the SH IV ones...". You can shorten that if you want, but you get the idea.

Anyway, if someone wanted to start an interesting poll, then how many of the serious modders involved previously in the Full-Mods GWX, Fleetboat etc. are still onboard with SHV? I have seen several of the people I recognized from those mods before stating that they turn their back on SHV. One major reason was that since modding involves permanent restarts for testing, the new OSP DRM will be a deal breaker. I would really like to know how many experienced and serious modders are still planning on modding SHV. This will be even more crucial than in SHIII now, since 43-45 and the other boats are not a given (nor are addons confirmed as of yet).

[Frederf]

Possibly, but those who choose to let this sway them into piracy, do not have strong principles to begin with.

Ouch, possibly those who rebel against tyranny have the strongest principles. Less so maybe those who weakly protest? Hmm :hmmm:

[Sailor Steve]

Why not talk about the game rather than:
-Don't you think the SHV graphics looks cool?
-Sure but DRM sucks!
-The future of SHV is dead
DRM isn't the only thing we know about SHV
What do we know exactly? That the graphics look cool? There are those who disagree with that.

That the DRM sucks? Only to those of us who feel that way. There are those who like the idea, or at least are willing to live with it.

That the future of SH5 is dead? We don't know that at all.

So besides DRM exactly what do we know? Anything you can think of is the subject of controversy. Tell me one thing we know about the game (or think we know) that isn't being discussed over and over.

[Sailor Steve]

Ouch, possibly those who rebel against tyranny have the strongest principles. Less so maybe those who weakly protest? Hmm :hmmm:
Ah, but he didn't say the rebels had weak principles.

Only the thieves.:sunny:

[Frederf]

Thieves, liberators, criminals, revolutionaries, insurgents... different names for the same people depending on your own motivations. Thomas Jefferson was guilty of treason after all.

When I look at SH5 I see a game maddeningly short of its potential to really do the subject justice (if it's anything akin to SH3, SH4).

[Sgtmonkeynads]

DRM is a brickwall to many players around here.

Mr. Ubisoft.........Tear down this wall!

[JScones]

IMHO DRM is a big part of the game. It is certainly integrated into SH5, so why should it be ignored, or not discussed?

I think some of the discussion around DRM is simply because more is being posted online about it than about SH5. Every time a new article is found, off we go again. We know more about DRM than we do about the game. We've already done to death what we know about the game - the periscope screen, crew animations, graphics etc. What new stuff is there to discuss?

Now, on the subject of argumentum ad nauseam, however... ;)

[HundertzehnGustav]

...never back down never give in?
...many drops put a hole in the stone? (or something to that effect?)

my skull is thick, i can take the "headbangin-againste-the DRM-wall", no problem.:damn:

as long as SHIII is working, i have no urge to pour out 50 bucks a month just to afford the connection needed to play.

16kB, 128kb is okay for surfing here and cost 10 balls a month.
and prevent me to become a pirate.

gimme a better connection, and i will fill up my 640GB HDD in a week. :rotfl2:

[Adriatico]

Hardcore simulation fans - suddenly changed their opinion :

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/6587/cheerleaderi.jpg

[janh]

Hmmh, I have seen lots of games succeed and others fail badly in my gaming history. For many reasons, but the one most typical appears to me to be companies/developers not listening to the wishes of customers, or even having their own idea of what "customer have to want".

Think of Microprose, the great simulation company. Or Dynamix. Sad that they are gone, but unlike many here in the forum seem to believe, with their departure the genere remained alive and new companies quickly filled their spots.

I have a feeling that with SHV Ubi as a publisher will suffer such a setback. As already 81% of their sales are console arcade games, it is likely that they will push even more in that direction in future. If the revenues from PC games sales further decline, which I really wouldn't be at all surprised by given what the past has shown, they might sell that branch and concentrate on console markets. Unfortunately Ubi is a large pulisher and needs to pursue earnings harsher than small niche companies like Matrix, which focus on their customers and the product rather than dividends.

The case of SH and the SH developer studio already reminds me of Operation Flashpoint. Two sequels, Armed Assault (1+2) and OFP: Dragon Rising, officially were published. The latter from Codemasters, the UK publisher of the original, whereas the first are from Bohemia Interactive, the developer studio of the original. Clearly, they split up and one of them listened to its customers and came out with two successful sequels. Significant new features beyond just eye-candy were added, and nothing important from the original was left out. The Codemaster's sequel, however, turned into an arcade type low-level simulation, and as far as I am aware sales have been disappointing at best. The knew better than the customers what the latter were supposed to look for -- never a good thing. Maybe they already blamed it on piracy, but I would simply say their product missed customers wishes and did not stand up to the Arma competition, although they made a lot of wind about their sequel beforehand.

Now, who would be surprised if the SH developers at some point after SHV split from Ubi and find a new publisher? Maybe small studios like Matrix or Akella might be interested to get a de-facto monopoly on naval warfare simulations? That might also take a few years, like for OFP, but if that in the end results in a better product-- great, I can wait, enough other hobbies, movies, and games out there to bridge a few years. A new pair of new speedskates would be due, I recall.

I really don't worry about the future of submarine sims. I have seen a lot coming and going, and I will surely see more going, and new coming. Perhaps sooner than even I think?

[TH0R]

We all agree that DRM is crap, and should be left out. But I see no point in loosing any more nerves over it.

So I voted for no.3.

[Seafireliv]

Hmmh, I have seen lots of games succeed and others fail badly in my gaming history. For many reasons, but the one most typical appears to me to be companies/developers not listening to the wishes of customers, or even having their own idea of what "customer have to want".

Think of Microprose, the great simulation company. Or Dynamix. Sad that they are gone, but unlike many here in the forum seem to believe, with their departure the genere remained alive and new companies quickly filled their spots.



yea, it was sad when microprose went. Some of you won`t even know who Microprose and the like were, but they were big once over a decade ago, like UBI. They made some good games. But like you said it wasn`t the end. other companies took over and made alternatives. Same it will be if UBI are stupid enough to ignore their customers.

Never take crap because you`re afraid you`ll never see a similar game again. Time and experience shows that the world continues on and alternatives always come along- and often even better than before!

[JScones]

yea, it was sad when microprose went. Some of you won`t even know who Microprose and the like were, but they were big once over a decade ago, like UBI. They made some good games. But like you said it wasn`t the end. other companies took over and made alternatives. Same it will be if UBI are stupid enough to ignore their customers.

Never take crap because you`re afraid you`ll never see a similar game again. Time and experience shows that the world continues on and alternatives always come along- and often even better than before!
WWII era subsims that I am familiar with:

Silent Service - 1985 - Microprose
Wolfpack - 1990 - Broderbund
Silent Service II - 1991 - Microprose
Aces Of The Deep - 1994 - Dynamix
Grey Wolf - 1996 - Pro One
Silent Hunter - 1996 - SSI
Silent Hunter II - 2001 - Ultimation
Silent Hunter III - 2005 - Ubisoft Romania
Silent Hunter 4 - 2007 - Ubisoft Romania
Silent Hunter 5 - 2010 - Ubisoft Romania

Who's to be next...

[Lord Justice]

Sirs, thread promises little, no vote thank you, as for game i resolve to remain for the present in a position of silent running, good day.

[Platapus]

WWII era subsims that I am familiar with:

Silent Service - 1985 - Microprose
Wolfpack - 1990 - Broderbund
Silent Service II - 1991 - Microprose
Aces Of The Deep - 1994 - Dynamix
Grey Wolf - 1996 - Pro One
Silent Hunter - 1996 - SSI
Silent Hunter II - 2001 - Ultimation
Silent Hunter III - 2005 - Ubisoft Romania
Silent Hunter 4 - 2007 - Ubisoft Romania
Silent Hunter 5 - 2010 - Ubisoft Romania

Who's to be next...

The only one on that list that I never played was Grey Wolf. :oops:

Wolf pack sure had potential though. Enjoyed that game a lot. I liked the sub/surface options. :yep:

[weeksatsea]

I'm playing Rise of flight ATM and the online factor isn't killing me. I know it's the principle...

The main thing on my mind is what firewall said in post #12 - what happens after we run up and down the sub a few dozen times ? I'm not sure I want to pay for a game that hasn't developed the strategic elements much from SH4.

Neal's REveiw will be key for me in deciding .


But there's not much point discussing anything till we get our hands on it.

[Nordmann]

But there's not much point discussing anything till we get our hands on it.

I beg to differ, discussion is not only necessary, it's an absolute must. Blindly buying a product, before taking the time to find out what comes with said product, is just damned silly.

[weeksatsea]

I beg to differ, discussion is not only necessary, it's an absolute must. Blindly buying a product, before taking the time to find out what comes with said product, is just damned silly.

Fair point. I haven't decided if I'll buy it or not , and the clicher will be the thoughts of posters on this forum who have bought it. I mean only those opinions will carry any weight for me.
.

[jwilliams]

I think DRM is definitly a factor, as this DRM (OSP) will affect the game play. IF you lose connection with ubi servers (and there are many reasons why you could.) then the game will pause. :nope: And you may even lose all progress since you last saved. :damn:

It's also bad of Ubi to assume everyone has internet and im sure they will alienate a lot of people.

But I also think that DRM is NOT the only topic worth talking about. The game has many good points too.

If OSP didnt make the game pause and you could save even if connection was lost. Then it wouldnt be too much of a problem (for me anyway). But if that was the case then OSP wouldnt need a perminent connection would it?

[USS Sea Tiger]

DRM, well. i am i the military and take my laptop to deply and hav e the games to keep the dull times down, DRM makes it a waste of space, the same reasons I di not buy jutland and 1905, no net

aelectronic doll house of a uboat, interesting historically, but not in a game,

Only one boat, HUH? Thats like buyng IL2 but can only fly a stuka, nothing else.

Only early war, HUH? when the going gets tough, the game kicks you out of the war?

I did like the thought of influencing the war somehow. but if only up to 1943, that kind of wipes out this one good.

I just slep'd my computer, (service life extention program) to get it over the next 2 to 3 year hump, and it is just up to snuff for shV.

I have bought ravidly many UBI programs, IL2 and the full series, SHII, III, and IV and addon.


I will take a wait and see attitude though on SHV. If I cant play it when deployed though, then no, its of no use to me, I'll stick with SHIII and the great mods for her! not saying never, just saying, no, not at launch and will see what support UBI will supply her. I do worry thouhg it is a lead submarine, sinking at launch.

maybe UBI will see these posts, and there will e a SHV addons, the other boats, no DRms and such.

I think the core system will l be there, if UBI can, and would make addon disks/uboats, but surely, it will need upgrades.

[ERPP8]

I personally think it's sad how many people said it's the only good topic:nope:

[Peter Cremer]

:damn: I would loved to play SH five, but I want to buy it not rent it so I will pass on this one until the DRM is gone. They will probably lose more money because of DRM than they will due to piracy. Or maybe DRM makes piracy look like a more attractive option...............:arrgh!:

[Brag]

Cremer, Welcome :salute:

But you're bleeding all over Neal's carpet :haha:

[Uber Gruber]

Toilets.

[Feuer Frei!]

Sirs, thread promises little, no vote thank you, as for game i resolve to remain for the present in a position of silent running, good day.

I've enjoyed some of your posts so far 4PARA :up: