stop whining !! Now !!

[java`s revenge]

Stop whining and be negative about sh5.

Compared with sh3 and sh4 when these sims came out this is the most
beautiful game. Okay things will be modded.

I will surely buy sh5, that`s for sure.

[ReFaN]

Agreed, feeling sad about how negative the game is sounding, based purely on one thing.

[oscar19681]

Stop whining and be negative about sh5.

Compared with sh3 and sh4 when these sims came out this is the most
beautiful game. Okay things will be modded.

I will surely buy sh5, that`s for sure.

couldnt agree more

[TH0R]

I have been reading and posting on these forums a lot lately. And I still get amazed on what some people are whining about. It is just unbelievable. :)

The stuff we have seen so far is all from a beta version of the game. Given that the whole development time was less than a year (was posted by someone else), logic implies that the preview stuff we could see was at best 3/4 of the finished game.

The only reasonable whining here should IMHO be about DRM/OSP. Unless it provide us with some internet connection slack (like in Neal's last video) then it will undoubtedly affect the game sales and reviews.
Speculations about unfinished product are based on previous titles, and I agree that certain dose of uncertainty lies here.

Save your nerves for the final version, that is all I have to say. :)

[pythos]

Count me in on this band wagon!!

God. I am amazed how so few learn from history.

Sh3 was great, but also a dog. Then the modders improved.

SH4 was still borne, lets be honest, UBI dropped the ball on that one, but over time it became good, but still had hard coded bugs that worked against it.

Sh5? Only time will tell, but what I have seen I am impressed. I only hope that stupid DRM bull crap is modded out by UBI. There is no reason to have this thing on it after the first couple of months.

[Ragtag]

I don't think most of us are conserned about the game it self. Most of us are conserned about the OSP. The game looks great to me. To bad i'm not going to buy it..

[Rhodes]

It is ilogical to stop doing something I never did!:D

[piri_reis]

Too many DRM threads and too many "Don't whine" "shut the &&** up" threads... :hmmm:
just as useless...

[TDK1044]

I'm not aware of anyone whining about the game? Now Ubisoft's new Digital Rights Management System UPlay is a different matter. :)

[pythos]

Tdk, look closer, there have been nothing but gripes about the game from certain members here whom I shall not name.

gripes about the "eye candy" or the "RPG" aspect of the game, and how the flooding is not realistic, and other naysaying.

It has been really disappointing to say the least seeing how quickly some here have turned on the devs and SH in general.

[Apos]

I would rather pay modders for modded SHV then to Ubi for arcade uboat shooter.

[FIREWALL]

The title of this thread turned me off .

THIS is the kinda thing that helps lose support.

When you label other members " Whiners " for having an opinion.

Do you wonder why they don't support your opinion ? Ya Think !

[Gunnodayak]

I would rather pay modders for modded SHV then to Ubi for arcade uboat shooter.
I couldn't agree more! (it seems this is en vogue expression now)

[TDK1044]

Tdk, look closer, there have been nothing but gripes about the game from certain members here whom I shall not name.

gripes about the "eye candy" or the "RPG" aspect of the game, and how the flooding is not realistic, and other naysaying.

It has been really disappointing to say the least seeing how quickly some here have turned on the devs and SH in general.

Then I would be right there with you, pythos. My respect for the Devs hasn't changed at all. My only issue is with UPlay.

Once Ubisoft made a business decision to target this game at the casual gamers, the Devs had to build a game that facilitated that decision. But looking at the previews of the game, and the stated realism options within it, also the statements from the Devs about how modable it is, then the only problem I forsee for those who are Ok with UPlay is how to attract modders to the game.

JSCONES isn't going anywhere near this game unless or until it becomes available as an offline game that is compatible with his software. That means no JSGME for Silent Hunter 5. That in itself is huge.

A few of the more experienced modders I've spoken with are holding a 'wait and see' view with Silent Hunter 5. They are not confident about getting involved with it at all.

I think the first year for this game will be really tough.

[BarjackU977]

Sounds like people who voice a critic or disapointment are sinners.

I also find that one should avoid to repeat 10x the same thing, whatever that thing is. One thread and one debate is enough.
But calling all people voicing a critic whiners, pretending that "whiners" show disrespect to the devs is not better.

So, what piri_reis said.

[Galanti]

JSCONES isn't going anywhere near this game unless or until it becomes available as an offline game that is compatible with his software. That means no JSGME for Silent Hunter 5. That in itself is huge.

Uh... doesn't the 'G' in JSCME stand for 'generic'?

[Wilcke]

Uh... doesn't the 'G' in JSCME stand for 'generic'?

True! I have adapted JSGME to many of my applications on the home PC, its very versatile, thanks to JS' fine work!

[TDK1044]

Uh... doesn't the 'G' in JSCME stand for 'generic'?

You mean the 'G' in JSGME? Yes it does. Try using it with Silent Hunter 5 when it comes out though...and let us know how that goes. :D

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1263296&postcount=14

[HundertzehnGustav]

Stop whining and be negative about sh5.

Compared with sh3 and sh4 when these sims came out this is the most
beautiful game. Okay things will be modded.

I will surely buy sh5, that`s for sure.


Question:

WHO ARE YOU to tell ME what TO DO or NOT ? :stare::stare::stare:

Question II:

Who will mod it if the base we have to build on is good but nobody will buy it because of the chain? :doh::88)


So in that context, let me


We (the whiners) have our problems with this game, problems with Ubisoft Management ant the future of gaming.

You do not like to hear what we say?

Just
http://www.scdurkin.com/images/actions/IgnoreMe1.jpg


...

but dont tell me what to do and what not.

i mean...

do i tell you to go to the UBIforums iof you like it?

You like what you see? Fine. No problem.
Yet people dont bitch and moan because of your liking it and express your opinion.

So... let me put it a little more crass

[Gunnodayak]

Question:
We (the whiners) have our problems with this game, problems with Ubisoft Management ant the future of gaming.

You do not like to hear what we say?

Just

http://www.scdurkin.com/images/actions/IgnoreMe1.jpg

...
.

You're the man, I myself couldn't say that better!
And we're not supposed only to "stop whining !!" We probably should do that "Now !!" Or else, I suppose.

[Schultz]

What is OST?

[msalama]

Ubisoft's new Digital Rights Management System UPlay is a different matter. :)

You know, I was one of those guys if not exactly whining, then at least being hugely dissatisfied with their new DRM system. Until it really hit home to me that I actually:

1) Have a reliable 24/7 cable net connection
2) Will only play the game on my main desktop hooked up to said connection

So yeah, after much pondering I now think I'll buy it (well at least after upgrading my main desktop, which in its current incarnation won't most likely run the game anyway). Yah yah yah, if UBI's server farm goes south I'm feeked anyway, I know... but hell, life's full of risks innit?

So stop being so hugely negative ye geezers you, it's only a game fergadssakes :arrgh!:

PS. On a more serious - and generic - note I _do_ understand the dangers to your privacy, etc. involved here. But hey, what can you do? Apart from resorting to shady unspecified means you either buy the game or you don't, simple as that...

[HundertzehnGustav]

You're the man, I myself couldn't say that better!
And we're not supposed only to "stop whining !!" We probably should do that "Now !!" Or else, I suppose.

|sarcasm]
No no, the right way around is to kickpermanentban all the Fanboys and tell them to go to UBI Fora.

yea right
[/sarcasm]

Threads like this get me mad as hell.

[brett25]

the most
beautiful gameyeah it so pretty looking, what else could we want :woot:

[zakarpatska]

:up:

[Sailor Steve]

You know, I was one of those guys if not exactly whining, then at least being hugely dissatisfied with their new DRM system. Until it really hit home to me that I actually etc...
I think this was aimed mostly at the folks going on and on and on about every little in-game thing that isn't 100% perfect, not the big you-know-what.

Complaining about 'that' isn't necessarily whining, though I agree it does get old after awhile.

[Bilge_Rat]

|sarcasm]
No no, the right way around is to kickpermanentban all the Fanboys and tell them to go to UBI Fora.

yea right
[/sarcasm]

Threads like this get me mad as hell.

HundertzehnGustav, you are going overboard now. Take a deep breath and relax, its only a game. You are entitled to your opinion as we are entitled to ours.

p.s. - my copy of SH5 is already pre-ordered...:rock:

[HundertzehnGustav]

Still, even if it gets old, one never must back down. Never give up. Stay awake and plot the revenge.

So many things have changed because people did not stop demanding the change, and so must we carry on in our fight against IT...

There is no shutting me up.

[Gunnodayak]

HundertzehnGustav, you are going overboard now. Take a deep breath and relax, its only a game. You are entitled to your opinion as we are entitled to ours.

p.s. - my copy of SH5 is already pre-ordered...:rock:
HundertzehnGustav is going overboard??? I suppose java's revenge post is just OK, right?

[HundertzehnGustav]

HundertzehnGustav, you are going overboard now. Take a deep breath and relax, its only a game. You are entitled to your opinion as we are entitled to ours.

p.s. - my copy of SH5 is already pre-ordered...:rock:

nono, that is not a game, that is a personal attack.
Telling "someone/one and all" what to do, is stepping over the line of mutual respect.
I take such things quite personal.

And since i am a "nolife", respectively Games "are" my life, however pathetic that sounds, my reaction is defnitely okay i would say.

Ones freedom ends where the others freedom begins, they say.
OP defnitely crossed the line.

[TH0R]

Threads like this get me mad as hell.

Why do you let them affect you so much, and the game? It is only a game after all. There are far important things to worry about in life. :)

[Mud]

DANGER



http://home.planet.nl/~hart0751/images/nw.jpg

[Bilge_Rat]

nono, that is not a game, that is a personal attack.
Telling "someone/one and all" what to do, is stepping over the line of mutual respect.
I take such things quite personal.

And since i am a "nolife", respectively Games "are" my life, however pathetic that sounds, my reaction is defnitely okay i would say.

Ones freedom ends where the others freedom begins, they say.
OP defnitely crossed the line.

hmmm, let me see: earthquake in Haiti, famine in the Sudan, war in Afghanistan, terrorism in Iraq, Global Warming, entire species becoming extinct, etc., etc.,...but what makes you really upset is that Ubi won't let you buy a $50 game w/o Uplay?

whatever man... I guess we'll let the mods figure this one out..

[Onkel Neal]

|sarcasm]
No no, the right way around is to kickpermanentban all the Fanboys and tell them to go to UBI Fora.

yea right
[/sarcasm]

Threads like this get me mad as hell.


You may not know this but one of the missions of this website and forum is to maintain a civil and mature tone.

[Webster]

i was about ready to start giving out infractions all around but where to start and where would i stop?

once i started i can see people who would get enough to equal a ban but what purpose would that serve?

why dont we all leave things as they are, you have all said your peace (some in too blunt a fashion) and we can now move on without further insults or rude actions.

everyone is entitled to an opinion no matter how unpopular it might be but you must express yourself in a non insulting adult manner please.

[java`s revenge]

I am enjoying this thread.

But men please, be realistic. Sh3 and Sh4 weren`t also perfect at release.

I think that sh5 has a great future !

[Thomen]

i was about ready to start giving out infractions all around but where to start and where would i stop?

once i started i can see people who would get enough to equal a ban but what purpose would that serve?

why dont we all leave things as they are, you have all said your peace (some in too blunt a fashion) and we can now move on without further insults or rude actions.

everyone is entitled to an opinion no matter how unpopular it might be but you must express yourself in a non insulting adult manner please.

Why not close this thread? IMHO it was nothing then flame bait anyways.

[Galanti]

You mean the 'G' in JSGME? Yes it does. Try using it with Silent Hunter 5 when it comes out though...and let us know how that goes. :D

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1263296&postcount=14

It should, but you're right, with DRM there are no guarantees, if the DRM tries to validate every file, or locks certain protected files, then yes, there could be issues.

[Gunnodayak]

Maybe there should be two sections regarding SH5 on subsim forums, Silent Hunter 5 (as an eye-candy RPG) and Silent Hunter 5 (as a submarine simulation wannabe). Or maybe "for" and "against" DRM, it seems that there are some "factions", from these perspectives. In that way maybe the atmosphere should would be more peaceful in each of the two forums taken in an individual way.

[ryanglavin]

hmmm, let me see: earthquake in Haiti, famine in the Sudan, war in Afghanistan, terrorism in Iraq, Global Warming, entire species becoming extinct, etc., etc.,...but what makes you really upset is that Ubi won't let you buy a $50 game w/o Uplay?

whatever man... I guess we'll let the mods figure this one out..

Thank you!

[java`s revenge]

Stop men,

I have the simulation Rise of flight. It demands also an internet connection.
Nowadays almost everybody has a good connection.

It didn`t stop me to buy this great sim.

Why not positive?????????

[ichso]

:wah::wah::wah:

(sry ^^)

[Bubblehead1980]

Dissent is NOT whining.There are glaring issues with SH such as DRM and the arcadish look that will kill a great sub SIM.The so called "whining" is this great thing we call free speech.So don't try to force people to keep their concerns about upcoming SH 5 quiet.

[Galanti]

Stop men,

I have the simulation Rise of flight. It demands also an internet connection.
Nowadays almost everybody has a good connection.

It didn`t stop me to buy this great sim.

Why not positive?????????

Please read this from start to finish, twice if necessary,
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=160764
and then get back to us.

[Webster]

Why not close this thread? IMHO it was nothing then flame bait anyways.

because here at SUBSIM we can have mature discussions and even heated debates about just about anything because we are mature adults.

is this thread on my top ten list of great threads, no, but who am i to say it shouldnt be discussed as long as it is done respectfully

[FIREWALL]

You know, I was one of those guys if not exactly whining, then at least being hugely dissatisfied with their new DRM system. Until it really hit home to me that I actually:

1) Have a reliable 24/7 cable net connection
2) Will only play the game on my main desktop hooked up to said connection

So yeah, after much pondering I now think I'll buy it (well at least after upgrading my main desktop, which in its current incarnation won't most likely run the game anyway). Yah yah yah, if UBI's server farm goes south I'm feeked anyway, I know... but hell, life's full of risks innit?

So stop being so hugely negative ye geezers you, it's only a game fergadssakes :arrgh!:

PS. On a more serious - and generic - note I _do_ understand the dangers to your privacy, etc. involved here. But hey, what can you do? Apart from resorting to shady unspecified means you either buy the game or you don't, simple as that...


So your saying in other words " I'm out for myself. Screw others that don't have what I have ". :roll:

With that said. I still wish you the best of luck. Enjoy. :yep:

[Bilge_Rat]

Dissent is NOT whining.There are glaring issues with SH such as DRM and the arcadish look that will kill a great sub SIM.The so called "whining" is this great thing we call free speech.So don't try to force people to keep their concerns about upcoming SH 5 quiet


Continually harping that you don't want to buy a $50 game because of the "copy protection method" or because you personally "do not like the look", is not an issue of "dissent" or "free speech".

Protesting against the Iraq War or human rights abuses in China is an issue of "dissent" and "free speech", this is just plain silly.

[java`s revenge]

Because sh5 will be modded easier than the previous versions.

Don`t you see that??

In sh5 we have a nice texture and flooding etc.

I stay with my opion that this will THE submarine simulation later.

[FIREWALL]

Stop men,

I have the simulation Rise of flight. It demands also an internet connection.
Nowadays almost everybody has a good connection.

It didn`t stop me to buy this great sim.

Why not positive?????????

Are you that far out of touch with this ?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=161360

[Onkel Neal]

Are you that far out of touch with this ?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=161360

Man, that's harsh, FW. I think he meaning he has been playing ROF and it (until recently) required a connection. Couldn't you just pass the info without the slight?

[ERPP8]

Why when I made a thread like this so many people got so mad?

[Heretic]

We should have some sub-forums

One for people to bitch about the DRM
One for people to bitch about the game
One for people to bitch about the people who bitch about the DRM and the game.
One for people to bitch about the people bitching about the people bitching about the DRM and the game.

That should probably cover it, but more could be added as the need arises.

*edit* And yes, I'm just as guilty

[longam]

Resistance is futile, you will be artificial insemination. :doh:

[FIREWALL]

Man, that's harsh, FW. I think he meaning he has been playing ROF and it (until recently) required a connection. Couldn't you just pass the info without the slight?

I didn't intend it to be harsh. If you read his post he still thinks drm is alive and well in Rof.

He's the one that used it for an example. His words...

Stop men,

I have the simulation Rise of flight. It demands also an internet connection.
Nowadays almost everybody has a good connection.

It didn`t stop me to buy this great sim.

Why not positive?????????

I just wanted to bring him up to speed without sounding like I'm Whinning. :haha:

[BarjackU977]

Yeah, as long as there are worst things in the world, don't criticize anything and be happy, man, BE HAPPY. "Best argument ever".

A car seller swindled you? Man, don't complain, at least you're not in Haïti!
Oh well...

Bilge_Rat, I trust you never criticize or complain about anything less important than famine in the world, in your life.

hmmm, let me see: earthquake in Haiti, famine in the Sudan, war in Afghanistan, terrorism in Iraq, Global Warming, entire species becoming extinct, etc., etc.,...but what makes you really upset is that Ubi won't let you buy a $50 game w/o Uplay?

whatever man... I guess we'll let the mods figure this one out..

[Subnuts]

(Very quietly)
Waahhhhhhhh.......

[janh]

Hmmh, reading this thread I wonder who is the whiner here and what/who is being whined about? A few very young pals getting upset that someone critisizes their new toy?

I think at Subsim there are a lot of old customers that have bought at least one of the previous silent hunter titles, and who voice their honest critique and expectations as to what they would call an improvement of SHIII, and what they would like to see and what is not an important part of a simulation engine for them. Some, eh most of the people here (see polls, hard numbers are luckily not discussable) also voice their strong disagreements with the "single player online DRM", which come with significant disadvantages and clearly hits the truthful customer more than piracy. For some, like me, the OSP/DRM is a not a way I can go -- because I simply don't have reliable internet at all times, and also because of principle (why does single player need a permanent connection? Why would my car need to be permanently be connected to a gas station?????)

I am presently out of country and have a slow internet connection here in Rio. Bad luck some would say, but I would say a customer less. It just doesn't work for me.

[Bubblehead1980]

Continually harping that you don't want to buy a $50 game because of the "copy protection method" or because you personally "do not like the look", is not an issue of "dissent" or "free speech".

Protesting against the Iraq War or human rights abuses in China is an issue of "dissent" and "free speech", this is just plain silly.


Became an issue of dissent or free speech when certain people began tell those(many of us) who are against DRM and do not like seeing the only subsim series out there right now being turned into an arcade game for simpletons , to stop "continually harping" or "whining" about issues concerning SH 5.Dissent is not whining in reality, only whining to those who do not want to hear it and try to dismiss it as such in order to discredit the argument, kind of like politics.This goes on in even debates on the smallest issue. Now, we are not talking about a war or human rights abuses here but still worth the discussion and everyone should get to post without being called a "whiner" by those who disagree.

[Rip]

Continually harping that you don't want to buy a $50 game because of the "copy protection method" or because you personally "do not like the look", is not an issue of "dissent" or "free speech".

Protesting against the Iraq War or human rights abuses in China is an issue of "dissent" and "free speech", this is just plain silly.

Who are you to decide what speech justifies protection? The content of the speech bears no effect on its protection, nor should it barring speech suggesting things that are illegal or harm others. Even the most trivial of speech is deserving of just as vigorous protection. IMHO.

[Bilge_Rat]

Bilge_Rat, I trust you never criticize or complain about anything less futile than famine in the world, in your life.

Well, actually, I know I wont be able to live up to that high standard since I can complain with the best of them....:arrgh!:


Posters are free to post their gripes about DRM/Uplay to their heart's content, but once you have posted the same argument 10-20 times and analysed every side of the issue to death, do we have to keep seeing the same posts ad nauseum?

No one here is happy about Uplay, but I am willing to give Ubisoft the benefit of the doubt and give SH5 a try. Some players here are actually planning to buy SH5 and would like to be able to discuss issues pertaining to the game, without having the DRM/Uplay issue brought up in every thread. Are'nt they entitled to some consideration as well?

[Bubblehead1980]

Hmmh, reading this thread I wonder who is the whiner here and what/who is being whined about? A few very young pals getting upset that someone critisizes their new toy?

I think at Subsim there are a lot of old customers that have bought at least one of the previous silent hunter titles, and who voice their honest critique and expectations as to what they would call an improvement of SHIII, and what they would like to see and what is not an important part of a simulation engine for them. Some, eh most of the people here (see polls, hard numbers are luckily not discussable) also voice their strong disagreements with the "single player online DRM", which come with significant disadvantages and clearly hits the truthful customer more than piracy. For some, like me, the OSP/DRM is a not a way I can go -- because I simply don't have reliable internet at all times, and also because of principle (why does single player need a permanent connection? Why would my car need to be permanently be connected to a gas station?????)

I am presently out of country and have a slow internet connection here in Rio. Bad luck some would say, but I would say a customer less. It just doesn't work for me.



Well said Jah.While I am not an old customer, SH 4 was first SH game I have owned and first subsim I ever played, I love it, esp with the great mods.While I prefer US side of things, just find it more interesting, I planned to purchase and play SH 5 in order to support the franchise and see the next evolution, assumed it would be great.However, the letters DRM changed that for me.Things changed not because my internet is unreliable, it is actually very reliable but out of principle.I am in my early 20's and one thing serious issue I have with most people my age is they have no principles or do(pretend) they don't mind bending them for the smallest reasons.I have mine and do my best to adhere to them.DRM is an example of whats wrong with business and only way to stop it is to make it known that many of us disapprove and make their sales figures lower.Perhaps they will learn, I bet they will.
I think it does boil down to what you said, certain members do not want their new toy to be picked apart for its oh so obvious flaws...DRM, arcadish look etc

[UnSalted]

Can I whine about the whiners who are whining about the gameplay whiners or can I whine about the whiners who are whining about the DRM whiners or can I whine about the whiners who whine about the free speech whiners?

How about the I WANNA WHINE PERIOD users? Gawd you folks have made this SO confusing, I think I'll just whine about the people in doublewides who dare breathe Neal's air. :wah:

[Heretic]

Can I whine about the whiners who are whining about the gameplay whiners or can I whine about the whiners who are whining about the DRM whiners or can I whine about the whiners who whine about the free speech whiners?

How about the I WANNA WHINE PERIOD users? Gawd you folks have made this SO confusing, I think I'll just whine about the people in doublewides who dare breathe Neal's air. :wah:

another sub-forum :up:

[Bubblehead1980]

Well, actually, I know I wont be able to live up to that high standard since I can complain with the best of them....:arrgh!:


Posters are free to post their gripes about DRM/Uplay to their heart's content, but once you have posted the same argument 10-20 times and analysed every side of the issue to death, do we have to keep seeing the same posts ad nauseum?

No one here is happy about Uplay, but I am willing to give Ubisoft the benefit of the doubt and give SH5 a try. Some players here are actually planning to buy SH5 and would like to be able to discuss issues pertaining to the game, without having the DRM/Uplay issue brought up in every thread. Are'nt they entitled to some consideration as well?


Of course they are entitled to consideration, just like those of us who deserve not to be called whiners because we have concerns about SH 5, feel UBI does not deserve the benefit of the doubt on this one and voice those concerns via the forums.I understand it has been a well discussed hot issue and remains so and lets face it, it prob will for a long while.I have made a few posts on it myself, usually responding to someone, that is the point of a forum.Still, can't label someone a whiner because they are discussing an issue and have a dissenting view.

[martes86]

You guys realize that this thread, as it stands right now, has one single purpose, which is to get people to write for nothing and kick each other's asses, right? It's not healthy. :nope:

BTW, Firewall, why does your link redirect me to Subsim with a different forum skin? :06:

[Bubblehead1980]

I realized that but what can I say, I love a good argument.Perhaps I plan to attend Law School this year? :salute:

[V.C. Sniper]

:rotfl2:y learn law when instead you can learn something thats actually beneficial to humanity?:har:

[Bilge_Rat]

Of course they are entitled to consideration, just like those of us who deserve not to be called whiners because we have concerns about SH 5, feel UBI does not deserve the benefit of the doubt on this one and voice those concerns via the forums.I understand it has been a well discussed hot issue and remains so and lets face it, it prob will for a long while.I have made a few posts on it myself, usually responding to someone, that is the point of a forum.Still, can't label someone a whiner because they are discussing an issue and have a dissenting view.

So why do you need to label players who disagree with you as sheep or other such demeaning comments? We can have an honest disagreement without resorting to personal insults. If we go down that road, I have an entire encyclopedia of choice words for my opponents.

[Mud]

BTW, Firewall, why does your link redirect me to Subsim with a different forum skin? :06:

Thats because it's the flight sim forum and uses a different skin

Mud

[Brag]

There has never been any whinning from my part and I like a lot of what I see in SH5. I just find the DRM, OSP, Uplay (great name changing maneuvers :D) UNACCEPTABLE!

[thyro]

BUT!

How can someone stop whining after getting a BLACK nose by just looking through that ugly BLACK SH5's periscope? :haha:

Not only getting a BLACK nose but also feeling sick from seeing SH3's waves through that ugly periscope :har: they should stop porting SH3's stuff into SH5's :nope:


EDIT:

I'm not whining I'm just expressing a serious concern so stop whining at me and send couple of wine bottles instead :)

[martes86]

Thats because it's the flight sim forum and uses a different skin

Mud

Ah! Didn't know that, thanks. :up:

[Platapus]

Stop whining and be negative about sh5.


You want us to stop whining and you want use to be negative about SH5?

Stop whining and being negative about SH5 would be a better way of writing this.
:know:




oh and No and No. In case you are keeping a tally. :D

[Mud]

Ah! Didn't know that, thanks. :up:

Bloody hell Martes you joined 2004 and never noticed the Flightsim forum :O:

Mud :woot:

[Platapus]

It's our forum and I'll whine if I want to
Whine if I want to, whine if I want to
You would whine too if it happened to you!


:cool:

[Heretic]

It's our forum and I'll whine if I want to
Whine if I want to, whine if I want to
You would whine too if it happened to you!


:cool:


:har::har:

[karamazovnew]

Gotta love these forum fights.


http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/102.jpg


http://www.shorelinealign.com/files/6312/5433/5041/Smiley%20popcorn.jpg

[LiveGoat]

"War. God help me, I love it so." --Patton :)

[martes86]

Bloody hell Martes you joined 2004 and never noticed the Flightsim forum :O:

Mud :woot:

Oh, I think I knew it was there, but never got in (actually there's lots of sections I don't read). I was quite the flyer back when I got my first games (Jane's CS air sims, ATAC, 688i...), but I switched hobbies when I got my hands into the RTS world with C&C Red Alert (in English, without understanding the language - neither written nor spoken briefings). :DL
And then switched again after I saw Das Boot in mid 2003 (being a total newbie to what a submarine was) and then finding out my dad had SH2 and DC, and so, wanting to improve the experience, found SH3's development news in december 2003 (very very early news though).

Cheers :rock:

[KING111]

whine if I want to
whine if I want to
Whine if I want to ???????
thats a song an't it :har::har:

The game is looking better then it did at the start
and i would like to buy it
but only when DRM is gone:damn:

[Sailor Steve]

Continually harping that you don't want to buy a $50 game because of the "copy protection method" or because you personally "do not like the look", is not an issue of "dissent" or "free speech".
Sure it is, and it becomes so the minute somebody orders somebody else not to do it.

[Sailor Steve]

We should have some sub-forums

One for people to bitch about the DRM
One for people to bitch about the game
One for people to bitch about the people who bitch about the DRM and the game.
One for people to bitch about the people bitching about the people bitching about the DRM and the game.

That should probably cover it, but more could be added as the need arises.

*edit* And yes, I'm just as guilty
Oh, man, you asked for this (and I'm glad you did).

How many forum members does it takes to change a light bulb?

1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been changed
14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently
7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs
1 to move it to the Lighting section
2 to argue then move it to the Electricals section
7 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs
5 to flame the spell checkers
3 to correct spelling/grammar flames
6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ... another 6 to condemn those 6 as stupid
2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp"
15 know-it-alls who claim they were in the industry, and that "light bulb" is perfectly correct
19 to post that this forum is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to a lightbulb forum
11 to defend the posting to this forum saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum
36 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty
7 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs
4 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the corrected URL's
3 to post about links they found from the URL's that are relevant to this group which makes light bulbs relevant to this group
13 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all headers and signatures, and add "Me too"
5 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy
4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?"
13 to say "do a Google search on light bulbs before posting questions about light bulbs"
1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again.

[sabretwo]

I think most of us realize that many of SH5's visible shortcomings can probably be solved through modding. It's the DRM/OSP that has most of us in uproar. I think for a large percentage of us (judging from the poll), it doesn't matter if its pure gold or a pile of poop. Until the constant connection requirement is removed, most of us aren't buying it.

[martes86]

Sure it is, and it becomes so the minute somebody orders somebody else not to do it.

Unless the order comes from a manager from the place (like say, a moderator) or Chuck Norris. :DL

[Sailor Steve]

Unless the order comes from a manager from the place (like say, a moderator) or Chuck Norris. :DL
Umm...:oops:

[longam]

Oh, man, you asked for this (and I'm glad you did).

How many forum members does it takes to change a light bulb?



Thats a good one Steve!

[Bubblehead1980]

So why do you need to label players who disagree with you as sheep or other such demeaning comments? We can have an honest disagreement without resorting to personal insults. If we go down that road, I have an entire encyclopedia of choice words for my opponents.


I will admit I made a mistake and using the word sheep, sort of a slip of the fingers when responding to the label of whiner which was tossed out first, the title of the post itself was a little insulting but oh well.I went back and edited the sheep out of my post though before you posted above.I tend to try and keep my debates civil but they get heated from time to time, must be my irish blood.

[Sailor Steve]

Thats a good one Steve!
I should point out that it's not mine. Just an old favorite I was reminded of.

[Kapitanleutnant]

Stop whining and be negative about sh5.

Compared with sh3 and sh4 when these sims came out this is the most
beautiful game. Okay things will be modded.

I will surely buy sh5, that`s for sure.

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3291/4lil4xy.gif

Every time I see a spectacular thread like this I wish this cat was real.

[Bubblehead1980]

:rotfl2:y learn law when instead you can learn something thats actually beneficial to humanity?:har:


lol love the lawyer jokes because 90% of them are jagoffs, I know many of them.Call me idealistic but want to attend Law School so can be one of the few lawyers who fight for whats right.The pay is not bad either.

Oldie but a goodie....

Whats the different between a mosquito and a lawyer?

[martes86]

Umm...:oops:

Just informing, don't be afraid. :haha:

[Sailor Steve]

Just informing, don't be afraid. :haha:
Oh, I'm not afraid. I was just refering to an incident along those lines I was involved in not too long ago.

[Brag]

On crew animation.

People have complained about the crew sitting on the swofa while boat is flooding.

During emergencies, the captain's place is in the control room in command of his boat, not running around elswhere. So when the action comes, you won't see the goof offs.:|\\

[Ducimus]

Stop whining and be negative about sh5.


No! I don't wanna! :D


Compared with sh3 and sh4 when these sims came out this is the most
beautiful game.


And that's a problem. As far as ive heard, no improved details on the simulation, (this was a submarine simulation right?) but it sure does look beautiful doesn't it! :O:


Okay things will be modded.


Hop to it Mr, you'll have a lot of work ahead of you! After working your normal job, plan on getting only 5 to 6 hours a sleep a day at best, and devoting all of your time (including weekends) towards a second unpaid job. Don't let us down, we're all counting on you! :yeah:

[Bilge_Rat]

I will admit I made a mistake and using the word sheep, sort of a slip of the fingers when responding to the label of whiner which was tossed out first, the title of the post itself was a little insulting but oh well.I went back and edited the sheep out of my post though before you posted above.I tend to try and keep my debates civil but they get heated from time to time, must be my irish blood.

saints preserve us! my ancestors are irish, probably why we were buttin' heads, thats all were good for, fightin', drinkin' and whorin'...:arrgh!:

time for a pint...:ahoy:

[BarjackU977]

Well, actually, I know I wont be able to live up to that high standard since I can complain with the best of them....:arrgh!: :-)


Posters are free to post their gripes about DRM/Uplay to their heart's content, but once you have posted the same argument 10-20 times and analysed every side of the issue to death, do we have to keep seeing the same posts ad nauseum?

I certainly agree with that (see my 1st post in this thread). But that's a different message than "don't complain when there are things much worst on earth".

[BarjackU977]

On crew animation.

People have complained about the crew sitting on the swofa while boat is flooding.

I see the one you're speaking about.
Well, I didn't read that one as a complain, but as a joke, personally.

[Highbury]

On crew animation.

People have complained about the crew sitting on the swofa while boat is flooding.

During emergencies, the captain's place is in the control room in command of his boat, not running around elswhere. So when the action comes, you won't see the goof offs.:|\\

I had to read this about 3 times.... it is by Brag.. and it contains faint praise of SHV (and no DRM talk).... Neal, can you check if Brag's account has been hacked? :O::har:

:up:

[Nordmann]

Ah, another thread whining about people whining. Hypocrisy, don't you just love it!

[msalama]

So your saying in other words " I'm out for myself. Screw others that don't have what I have ". :roll:

No, I'm not. I still think UBI's DRM implementation sucks, and understand completely why some folks are mightily pissed off at them. But that doesn't take away from the fact of said DRM mechanism most likely working transparently enough for me, and that combined with what I've increasingly come to view as a good and novel approach to simulating a sub skipper's duties, chores and life on patrol in the game is what has made me reconsider my position.

But I'd still like to see them drop that stupid DRM thing for the benefit of all, of course :yep:

PS. @Steve: yeah, complaining about the DRM system isn't whining per se, true that.

[msalama]

Hop to it Mr, you'll have a lot of work ahead of you!

Well now that you mention it the alleged better moddability of the game compared to its predecessors _is_ indeed a selling point for me. But to make a 2nd unpaid job out of it? I'm sorry, Sir, but that's out of the question because I've no time whatsoever for end-user support I'm afraid...

But one can always tinker nevertheless, can one not? And maybe even release something small later on, good or bad :doh:

[Seafireliv]

Stop whining and be negative about sh5.

Compared with sh3 and sh4 when these sims came out this is the most
beautiful game. Okay things will be modded.

I will surely buy sh5, that`s for sure.


I just don`t understand why people like you do this. Do you really think people will stop because you say so? Do people listen when you walk into a room and tell them all to stop talking? NO.

So why do you expect it to work here? I guess it just makes you feel better to have a lomg thread responding to your ineffectual whine cos I can guarantee that NO ONE has done as you have wanted.

[msalama]

Oh, and in case I haven't mentioned it I'd much rather see, say, DftD developing into a killer subsim than having to endure what commercial actors release. It's just that DftD isn't quite there yet...

[JScones]

Ah, another thread whining about people whining. Hypocrisy, don't you just love it!
Hallelujah! :yeah:

I've noted a few times that the "pessimists" (or realists, depending on your perspective), whine about the game, whereas the "optimists" (or romanticists, depending on your perspective) whine about the people whining about the game. And what's worse, it's the latter group that tend to become the most likely to start personal attacks and name calling for anyone and everyone who doesn't agree with them (this thread for instance - everyone who has expressed a negative opinion on the game is now a whiner, at least according to java's revenge. And according to others we're also retards, drama queens, liars, short sighted, ADHD idiots, sex depraved, life depraved, penny pinchers and so on).

So, java's revenge and others, I counter your whine with one of my own: how about you stop whining about the whiners whining about the game? (or shall I start this as a new thread? Seems the rage lately?).:yeah:

[Highbury]

So, java's revenge and others, I counter your whine with one of my own: how about you stop whining about the whiners whining about the game? (or shall I start this as a new thread? Seems the rage lately?).:yeah:

Whiney whiner threads are soooo SHIV... we do polls now :up:

[GertFroebe_neu]

I also would like to see the whiners to stop complaining about a game the did never play. Also the DRM-complainers should just wait what happens. It's not that I would like to forbid the negative opinions, but I am just so bored by them.

[urfisch]

i am bored of the bad information policy from ubi...

[Gunnodayak]

I also would like to see the whiners to stop complaining about a game the did never play. Also the DRM-complainers should just wait what happens. It's not that I would like to forbid the negative opinions, but I am just so bored by them.
Most us us are bored, from different reasons. For example, I may be bored of such an amount of positivity based on almost nothing.
And if you "would like to see the whiners to stop complaining about a game the did never play", I have a desire myself: to win at the lottery. But unfortunately, I don't buy tickets, so I suppose my chances (in best case scenario) are slim. So are yours, to see your desire fulfilled in the area regarding "whiners".
Note: I belong to the "whiners" faction.

[Letum]

, I have a desire myself: to win at the lottery. But unfortunately, I don't buy tickets, so I suppose my chances (in best case scenario) are slim.


Your chances are about the same as they would be if you did buy tickets.
The difference is negligible.

[BarjackU977]

I also would like to see the whiners to stop complaining about a game the did never play.

We never played it, but we got information about it.
You can't say that we're just talking out of thin air.

Most us us are bored, from different reasons. For example, I may be bored of such an amount of positivity based on almost nothing.

+1

[Nordmann]

I also would like to see the whiners to stop complaining about a game the did never play. Also the DRM-complainers should just wait what happens. It's not that I would like to forbid the negative opinions, but I am just so bored by them.

I would like people to stop whining about some of the negative opinions expressed within this board. Frankly, a lot of us are bored with the rose tinted glasses brigade, their annoyingly over the top optimism, and their need to create new threads with regard to it. In any case, people have every right to be sceptical, if you don't like it, don't come here. Simple.

[tonschk]

I will surely buy sh5, that`s for sure.



:yeah: I Agree :salute: :woot:me Too , can`t Wait :yeah:

[urfisch]

:yeah: I Agree :salute: :woot:me Too , can`t Wait :yeah:

nice, hope you will post screens and footages!

[Blood_splat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL1lfSzgcAw :haha:

[msalama]

In any case, people have every right to be sceptical, if you don't like it, don't come here. Simple.

And how about us who can sort of concur with both sides of the argument? Wait... we'll be shot at by everyone of course :woot:

[JScones]

And how about us who can sort of concur with both sides of the argument? Wait... we'll be shot at by everyone of course :woot:
As they say "When you sit on the fence, you're bound to get splinters". :haha:

[msalama]

:arrgh!:

[JScones]

Whiney whiner threads are soooo SHIV... we do polls now :up:
:yep: I'm beginning to learn that.

[ryanglavin]

We never played it, but we got information about it.
You can't say that we're just talking out of thin air.



+1

but then your contradicting your own post... because you say you have information on the game, yet the next quote where you say +1, you base it on someone being bored because of so much positivity based on nothing...

I am slightly confused.

[BarjackU977]

I did it on purpose, only because I absolutely agree that the argument of "cant complain if not played" can be reversed without any difficulty and is not worth much.

I was well aware that the same information is available to those who look forward for the game, or to those who have worries.
The keywords are "for example" and "may", in the sentence fo the quoted author. He (and I) didn't mean he is actually bored, it was just an example.

Hope the confusion is cleared.

but then your contradicting your own post... because you say you have information on the game, yet the next quote where you say +1, you base it on someone being bored because of so much positivity based on nothing...

I am slightly confused.

[TDK1044]

The parameters of Silent Hunter 5 are clear. It is a hybrid sub sim targeted at casual gamers and requiring a permanent internet connection and UPlay.

If that's acceptable, then buy it and enjoy it. If it's unacceptable, then refuse to buy it and wait for a patch that allows for offline play and a correct form of modding. :)