The Wardroom Discussion [Merged]

[GertFroebe_neu]

Hello!

After watching the TDC video I discovered that there seems to be no officers wardroom in the boat. Where it should be there are only bunks (when the commander walks towards the torpedo room, on the left side after the commanders bunk)!

If there is really no wardroom I'd be disappointed. It would have been a nice "gathering place" to sit down and listen to the grammophone. Also it's a bit incorrect to not have a wardroom.

cheers
Marc

[urfisch]

your link is broken...

[oscar19681]

your link is broken...

I think it was an attempt to be create humor.

[AVGWarhawk]

Well, the link ends up at a picture of a dog. Anway, did the subs have a wardroom? Fleets did.

[Bubblehead1980]

no wardroom would be a pretty big deal.True no function when attacking etc BUT since one of the selling points is being able to walk about the sub, see different parts etc, expecting an ACCURATE model.Really dont give a crap about crew interaction. No wardroom, hope its not true.

[oscar19681]

I noticed that when viewing the video,s neal put up there is no wardroom/officers dining place. I mean why did they leave this out? I doesnt servee any gameplay function but it was there in the trailer and it played such an important roll in das boot! I mean if the intereur is so realistic how come they left this out? I cant think of a reason why they would leave it out but it seems like they did. So forget an ACCURATE intereur model. I guess the captain just had to in eat his bunk as far as the dev team is concierned.

[oscar19681]

no wardroom would be a pretty big deal.True no function when attacking etc BUT since one of the selling points is being able to walk about the sub, see different parts etc, expecting an ACCURATE model.Really dont give a crap about crew interaction. No wardroom, hope its not true.

It seems to be left out for some strange reason. so forget ACCURATE model

[Schultz]

What is the wardroom?

[oscar19681]

The place where the captain and the officers had there diner and breakfest.

[urfisch]

yepp, just checked the torp reloading vid...and:

WTF!!

its missing...lol.

:nope:

[Sailor Steve]

Where is the wardroom on a Type VII u-boat? I thought they set up a table in front of the LI's bed.

[urfisch]

yes, its missing...

this is a big FAUXPAS!!!

devs? theres something missing...noticed that?

:dead:

[Sailor Steve]

As I posted in the other thread about this, I think the 'wardroom' on a Type VII u-boat consisted of a table set in floor sockets in front of the LI's bunk. They set it up when needed, but most of the time there should only be his bed there.

Complaining about it is fine, but "forget ACCURATE model"? "big FAUXPAS"?

That's just a little extreme.

[Schultz]

Ah yes I remember it in Das boot.

[Galanti]

Looks like we need a thread merge; my eyes are starting to wander off in two directions.

[oscar19681]

How on earth could they oversee this? I mean the wardroom does have a special place in my heart if when will play sh-5. After all its the only place one could really relax (aside from the bed) and listen to records. Either it will not be implemented or they still have to do so in the final version. I mean the detail is so high in the intereur but they forget the wardroom? WTF? I hope this is corrected in the final version. Maybe Neal could shed some light on this?

[AVGWarhawk]

Where is the wardroom on a Type VII u-boat? I thought they set up a table in front of the LI's bed.

That is what I recall as well.

[oscar19681]

As I posted in the other thread about this, I think the 'wardroom' on a Type VII u-boat consisted of a table set in floor sockets in front of the LI's bunk. They set it up when needed, but most of the time there should only be his bed there.

Complaining about it is fine, but "forget ACCURATE model"? "big FAUXPAS"?

That's just a little extreme.

Nope the table was there permanently in real life. It server not only as a dining table but many other things So the sh-5 model should have it as well.

[Jimbuna]

The wardroom is closed for refurbishment http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif

[Jimbuna]

Surely nobody believes this is a 'game killer'.....I'd rather see some chains and a block and tackle or two in the torpedo compartment.

[Heretic]

Wardroom should be next to the galley. We know the galley's there cause of our promenetly featured level 2 soup wizard. Have we seen vids of this area?

[flakmonkey]

Its right there
http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/8929/wardroom.jpg



In real life the bunks would fold back to create temporary seating areas.

[Heretic]

The Trailer shows this area too @ about 00:25


*edit* here's a nice cutaway. http://www.flickr.com/photos/27417638@N07/3761885199/sizes/o/

Should be just fore of the galley. Table would be folded away

[walsh2509]

Looking at that Screenshot and other videos , compared to the cramp conditions of Das Boot, there is vast amount of space with hardly a body about.

[Takeda Shingen]

Looks like we need a thread merge; my eyes are starting to wander off in two directions.

And so it is done.

The Management

[ViperU48]

That was the first thing i noticed in the video. It's true that the LI's bed was used as the wardroom, as a table was located in that space. But SH5 shows that there is a two bunk alcove where the wardroom would be, which is inaccurate if I recall (there should only be one bed there).

At the same time, we're seeing Silent Hunter III with mods that add the petty officers, galley, and diesel rooms in detail far better than what we're seeing of Silent Hunter V. If SH5 is truly as open for modding as the devs say, then it's merely a matter of time before a talented modder injects a little more reality into the sim.

[Onkel Neal]

Its right there
http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/8929/wardroom.jpg



In real life the bunks would fold back to create temporary seating areas.

Thank GOD, a screen with arrows, I was beginning to wonder if anyone was going to make on :03:

[evan82]

:hmmm:
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2523/u570generalplanb.jpg

[flakmonkey]

Thank GOD, a screen with arrows, I was beginning to wonder if anyone was going to make on :03:

Gotta love those arrows!

[GertFroebe_neu]

Hello!

Sorry for the WRONG LINK! :)
If the picture (with the arrows) is meant to show a wardroom, it's wrong. The Wardroom would be on the port side (left) and there would be only ONE bunk with a (detachable) table in front. Usually the Chief engineer would sleep there, but when he doesn't it would be the wardroom!

Cheers
Marc

PS.: I go to visit U 995 in Laboe every year and I KNOW where the wardroom should be!

[flakmonkey]

Hello!

Sorry for the WRONG LINK! :)
If the picture (with the arrows) is meant to show a wardroom, it's wrong. The Wardroom would be on the port side (left) and there would be only ONE bunk with a (detachable) table in front. Usually the Chief engineer would sleep there, but when he doesn't it would be the wardroom!

Cheers
Marc

Not according to the blueprints which show 2 tables + sets for movies like das boot and (sorry) u-571 show 2 tables and 2 seating areas. Although only 1 table should be a fold out one and the other should be static.
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7536/morearrows.jpg

[GertFroebe_neu]

As it can be seen in DAS BOOT the officers eat at the location I described (where the broadcasting radio and the little puppet is - the puppet Lt. Werner touches and says "ohh!"). There might be another table, where a commander would not sit down.

Marc

PS again: I've seen it in U995 many times.

[Rip]

I noticed that when viewing the video,s neal put up there is no wardroom/officers dining place. I mean why did they leave this out? I doesnt servee any gameplay function but it was there in the trailer and it played such an important roll in das boot! I mean if the intereur is so realistic how come they left this out? I cant think of a reason why they would leave it out but it seems like they did. So forget an ACCURATE intereur model. I guess the captain just had to in eat his bunk as far as the dev team is concierned.

How can you notice things about a cutting board and miss that an entire section of the boat isn't there? I don't see how if true this could be an accident. Just more rust holes filled with Bondo.

[oscar19681]

Most certainly this will not be corrected by the devs. Well we now officially have something for the modders to fix!

[Sgtmonkeynads]

Most certainly this will not be corrected by the devs. Well we now officially have something for the modders to fix!


Among other things...(see sig)

[JScones]

Surely nobody believes this is a 'game killer'.....I'd rather see some chains and a block and tackle or two in the torpedo compartment.
I'd be happy just to see some "life" in the torpedo compartment. ;)

[oscar19681]

As it can be seen in DAS BOOT the officers eat at the location I described (where the broadcasting radio and the little puppet is - the puppet Lt. Werner touches and says "ohh!"). There might be another table, where a commander would not sit down.

Marc

PS again: I've seen it in U995 many times.

Lets put this out there so the devs can fix it in the first patch.

[urfisch]

here it is, how it should look like...

http://www.u-995.com/offizierraum.html

[oscar19681]

http://www.u-995.com/images/galerie/offizierraum/offizierraum01.jpg

So basicly they should just remove the top bunk in sh-5. Still i would like to have the ability to sit there as well. Hey maybe u just watch das boot a litte to much dont you think?

[Safe-Keeper]

This is like a Trekkie discussion... "no, no, no, the turbolift is five metres from port maintenance duct 72, look, I've got the official blueprints as revised by..." :P

[flakmonkey]

And what it looks like in sh3:up:
http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/7315/29225644.png


....and i think you`ll find the turbolift is 6 metres from duct 72, everyone knows that!

[piri_reis]

And what it looks like in sh3:up:

:salute:
Looks a lot more authentic IMHO. Nothing can beat an enthusiastic modder's work.

[Bubblehead1980]

As I posted in the other thread about this, I think the 'wardroom' on a Type VII u-boat consisted of a table set in floor sockets in front of the LI's bunk. They set it up when needed, but most of the time there should only be his bed there.

Complaining about it is fine, but "forget ACCURATE model"? "big FAUXPAS"?

That's just a little extreme.


big faux pas? NO

If they left the wardroom out that takes accuracy away from the sub model big time, but they managed to put some annoying cook in asking you to sample his soup :haha:.I mean come one, they give us ONE sub in SH 5 and don't bother to include the wardroom? Not extreme, just the truth.

[Bubblehead1980]

nice post flakmonkey:salute:

[Sailor Steve]

If they left the wardroom out that takes accuracy away from the sub model big time,
SH3 was the first subsim to have a 3D crew, and for many it was nothing more than an opportunity to complain about the way they looked.

SH5 gives the gamers what they wanted - a complete walk-through. So now there are complaints about...well, just about everything. I agree that I would rather have it be more to my liking, but it's supposed to be very easy to mod these things. You're right - complaining about it isn't extreme. But you're acting like this is a game-killer, and that is extreme. It's just a stupid graphic.

[Ducimus]

As it can be seen in DAS BOOT the officers eat at the location I described (where the broadcasting radio and the little puppet is - the puppet Lt. Werner touches and says "ohh!"). There might be another table, where a commander would not sit down.

Marc

PS again: I've seen it in U995 many times.

If i were to cite supporting references, i think id use pictures of the only surviving type 7 uboat in existance instead of a mock set constructed for a movie about a novel.

[oscar19681]

If i were to cite supporting references, i think id use pictures of the only surviving type 7 uboat in existance instead of a mock set constructed for a movie about a novel.

Well there is a picture of the real u995,s wardroom. And i think it was he who provided it

[fallenyggdrasil]

what about this?
taken from thwe new preview video of the german gamestar magazine

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/3895/image2el.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Looks like the crew compartment to me :hmmm:

[Subnuts]

what about this?


It's the Petty Officer's quarters aft of the control room.

[GREY WOLF 3]

and I didn't see a crapper either. I wanna be able to sit on the crapper in the game:haha::haha:

[Jimbuna]

and I didn't see a crapper either. I wanna be able to sit on the crapper in the game:haha::haha:

Just make sure your the first one to use it :DL


http://www.freewebs.com/welcometolemora/Dirty%20Toilet.jpg

[Sailor Steve]

Aww, Jim, I just had breakfast!:stare:


That really takes the...no, wait. I don't even want to think about where that would lead...:dead:

[Jimbuna]

Aww, Jim, I just had breakfast!:stare:


That really takes the...no, wait. I don't even want to think about where that would lead...:dead:

Looks like somebody has already disposed of their breakfast :DL

[Platapus]

I did not want to start another thread so I will just gladly hijack this one... kinda as this is a serious question.

In SH5, what do the thought balloons with the ellipsis mean (...)

That they are available for orders?
That they are busy carrying out orders?
That they have orders but are waiting to carry out the order?

[piri_reis]

In SH5, what do the thought balloons with the ellipsis mean (...)

I think they mean different things in various situations.
1) You give a command, they acknowledge, or respond
2) You don't give a command but they are talking amongst themselves, like the chief giving orders to planesmen..

My opinion is some of the speech files were not ready for the preview/beta version, that's why they have the balloons. They might be replaced by speech files and/or subtitles that show at the bottom.

[Platapus]

My opinion is some of the speech files were not ready for the preview/beta version, that's why they have the balloons. They might be replaced by speech files and/or subtitles that show at the bottom.

Ah good point. I should not assume that this is the final version. :up:

[oscar19681]

In this walkthrough video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HscHJooBflc&hd=1 It is crearly seen that they simpley did not model a wardroom. I dont understand how the dev,s could make a mistake like this if they visited the real thing in laboe germany. I mean its just plain stupid really.

[V.C. Sniper]

simple, the devs were just not givin enough time by the suits

[Kretschmer the IV]

Maybe it is not visible because it is a preview version.
I can't imagine SH5 without the simulation of all officers having dinner together. Though you wont sit there and stare like they eat but it would be a nice addition to sim feeling.

Or just sit there and drink a beer or make a cigaret :smug:

[oscar19681]

Maybe it is not visible because it is a preview version.
I can't imagine SH5 without the simulation of all officers having dinner together. Though you wont sit there and stare like they eat but it would be a nice addition to sim feeling.

Or just sit there and drink a beer or make a cigaret :smug:

I really dont think sh-5 will have officers eating dinner let alone any of the crew having diner.

[Kretschmer the IV]

thats sad.
I imagine its not too hard to develop something like that. 5 different animations for eating, looping randomly.
Lets see what they bring up in the final version. pray pray

[oscar19681]

thats sad.
I imagine its not too hard to develop something like that. 5 different animations for eating, looping randomly.
Lets see what they bring up in the final version. pray pray

Will do.

[jazman]

I really dont think sh-5 will have officers eating dinner let alone any of the crew having diner.

It must have a hamhock in there! (Obscure Stalag 17 reference...)

simple, the devs were just not givin enough time by the suits

This is it. If you don't stop somewhere, you get Duke Nukem Forever; that is, nothing.

[Kretschmer the IV]

It must have a hamhock in there! (Obscure Stalag 17 reference...)



This is it. If you don't stop somewhere, you get Duke Nukem Forever; that is, nothing.

so true :up:

[Frederf]

I'm confused, is the supposed compartment missing or is the space there but not configured correctly? Is it something like the boat interior is 50m and the interior in SH5 is 45m?