Canada's newest terrorist group

[nikimcbee]

:har:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100213/D9DRI4PO1.html

The protest was organized by the Olympic Resistance Network to "disturb 'business as usual.'" The ORN is an umbrella group for many causes surrounding the games, ranging from environmental concerns to economic issues.

The Pacific NW strikes again.:doh: It must be something in the water out here that rusts your brain.

[Highbury]

There people are morons. Thankfully they are not getting much press. This is my favorite part:

The most prominent involved native Indians who want to reclaim their property ("No Olympics on Stolen Ancient Land").

That's funny, I seem to recall representatives from all 4 Indian bands of the area inviting the world at the beginning of the opening ceremony... and the leaders of all of those bands sitting in the main box with "Head of State" status...

Oh and BTW McBee.. having grown up in Vancouver.... we don't call it the Pacific NW... for us it is the SW! :O:

[nikimcbee]

There people are morons. Thankfully they are not getting much press.

Oh and BTW McBee.. having grown up in Vancouver.... we don't call it the Pacific NW... for us it is the SW! :O:

:haha: I guess from your side of the map, it is.:D

[OneToughHerring]

The native people are not a monolithic group, especially since they are in such as flashpoint position of claiming lands back from Canada, US and other nations. Many basically white people claim native American heritage and then vote against the founding of native American lands. Pretty simple tactics that has worked so far.

For you to call them terrorists...Pot & kettle - situation if you ask me.

[krashkart]

Well, we took that land from the Native Americans fair and square. Damned if they request even an inch back from us and we give a millimeter. Touchy subject even for me.

Truth as I've seen it my whole life is that there have been no real demands, and no gestures of hostile re-appropriation. To be honest... and I *facepalm* here... Native American affairs are not of great concern even when I brush past a news article pertaining to the subject. The people I have descended from gave them diseased blankets, and I hear or see nothing today?? What is happening here? What's wrong with my train of thought?

What needs to change in order to satisfy a people's needs? Please, discuss.

[OneToughHerring]

krashkart,

you ever think that the reason why you don't hear about things such as native people wanting their own nations and about their plight in reservations where in some the life expectancy is on par with the worst developing nations is because the media in your country doesn't want to carry such stories?

The native people of the Americas can claim more then 500 years of active resistance against the invaders. The US knows that they have to keep them quiet no matter what or else the disingration of the US would begin.

As far as Canada, well who cares about them. They are just a lapdog of US anyway.

[krashkart]

*nod nod* and a huge grin with a lol. You are completely on par, there OneToughHerring. Indeed, I know that. It just makes me so sick to think about it and still not hear an effing thing about it (pardon my phraseology). Let's see if anyone else catches on to it. :03:

[AVGWarhawk]

krashkart,

you ever think that the reason why you don't hear about things such as native people wanting their own nations and about their plight in reservations where in some the life expectancy is on par with the worst developing nations is because the media in your country doesn't want to carry such stories?

The native people of the Americas can claim more then 500 years of active resistance against the invaders. The US knows that they have to keep them quiet no matter what or else the disingration of the US would begin.

As far as Canada, well who cares about them. They are just a lapdog of US anyway.


No, the US allows gambling casinos on the reservations that make millions annually. I guess it was one way to keep them quiet. :hmmm:


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Does not seem the defense of the land is still going on. Not a 40 million pay out per month at just one casino!

[OneToughHerring]

So native people in US can gamble their money away and drink liquor and become alcoholics. Seems the tactics to keep them down haven't changed much since day 1.

And as far as the resistance, it's still very much alive, as is the quest for own nations for the native people.

[ReallyDedPoet]

As far as Canada, well who cares about them. They are just a lapdog of US anyway.

If I did not know any better I might actually care about this comment.

[AVGWarhawk]

So native people in US can gamble their money away and drink liquor and become alcoholics. Seems the tactics to keep them down haven't changed much since day 1.

And as far as the resistance, it's still very much alive, as is the quest for own nations for the native people.


Did you really investigate were the money goes these casinos generate or just throw that out there? Can you find me 'the resistance that is very much alive?"


Employing Cherokees, Improving Lives

CNE creates career-path jobs with excellent benefits in Cherokee communities.
In 2006, CNE’s payroll was $101 million and the average wage was more than
$32,000 a year,well above the Oklahoma average wage. In just the past three years,
CNE has nearly tripled its number of employees while posting record profits every
year. Back in 1992, CNE operated only one gaming facility in Roland staffed by a
mere 86 employees.Today, that number has skyrocketed to 3,149 with workers at
more than 20 locations, ranging from casinos, golf clubs, hotels, convenience stores
and more. More than 300 of CNE’s new jobs came in 2006 alone

http://www.cherokee.org/docs/WTMGWeb.pdf

Come on guy. I don't give a rats arse what you think. No matter where you go or what the community is like there will always be alcoholics, drugs and prostitution. It is not a soley problem of Indian casinos. I will be screwed if you think it is such a bad deal for the American Indian.

[AVGWarhawk]

Tribes receive $4 of every $10 that Americans wager at casinos.
Indian casinos earn $26.7 billion in 2008 revenues.
There are 425 Indian gaming facilities.
240 tribes operate casinos.
Indian gaming operates in 28 states
24 states allow full-scale Indian casinos, 4 allow only Class II casinos (bingo slots)
Indian casinos provide 712,000 jobs with $27 billion in wages
Indian gaming paid $10.8 billion in local, state and federal taxes in 2008.
Indian gaming pays $1.3 billion in taxes to federal, state, local governments.
Source: National Indian Gaming Commission www.nigc.gov

http://www.500nations.com/indian_casinos.asp

[CaptainHaplo]

The fact is that Indian reservations have their own sets of laws (that can negate local, state and federal law), they have economic engines such as gambling that is restricted outside reservations, meaning they have a monopoly (other than vegas and jersey) on casinos and the money making involved. They have their own tax codes, etc.

The local cherokee reservation for example pays for college for every high school graduate member of the tribe that wants it - from the profits of the economic monopoly they have. And OTH - you try to infer otherwise - but the vast majority of monies that are made by the indians through gambling - is from tourists and local visitors from outside the reservation. So if one wanted to complain - they could say the Indians are "robbing" the poor stupid white people who come to the reservation - legally. But we don't because we recognize that its a personal choice. So lets drop the "white america is evil in every way" crap eh? It gets old, especially when demonstratably wrong.

[Highbury]

If I did not know any better I might actually care about this comment.

Well I do, it is rude.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

:har:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100213/D9DRI4PO1.html



The Pacific NW strikes again.:doh: It must be something in the water out here that rusts your brain.

That's strange. I was not aware BC was part of the "Pacific NW." I thought that was Washington/Oregon/Idaho/Montana. I guess you learn a new thing every day.

[OneToughHerring]

Hey, Canadians, I didn't mean to insult you. It's just that if my forefathers left relatively sunny countries like France, Italy and even the UK to a certain extent and went to live in...Canada, I would just be pissed at them.

I mean, if you're going to kill off native people and live on their land, at least pick a sunny area where you plan to do that.

[ReallyDedPoet]

Well I do, it is rude.

You missed my point.

[Highbury]

Apparently I did and still do.

[OneToughHerring]

Can you find me 'the resistance that is very much alive?"

Why, you got your John Wayne - gear on and are raring for some Indian shooting - action? :)

[CaptainHaplo]

LOL OTH - no he is just challenging you to present some facts to back up your assertions...

You do have some facts to back them up, don't you?????

Or was this another "well you evil americans take this - even if I just did make it up, it makes me feel better to blame stuff on you!!!!" rant?

[OneToughHerring]

Here's some info on the condition on the Pine Ridge Oglala (Sioux) Reservation of SD. Gives some idea about what kind of conditions native people have to live in, in the modern day equivalents of concentration camps.

http://www.linkcenterfoundation.org/id24.html

[Subsim Monitor]

If I did not know any better I might actually care about this comment.

Honestly, why do people feed trolls?

[CaptainHaplo]

Well OTH - first of all let me take my hat off to ya - because you provided some very good documentation as requested. I respect that, because it enables me and others to understand where your position comes from, and give that full weight.

I read the link - and I have to make a few observations.

#1 - the Report is almost 4 years dated, but does provide a view of the conditions at the time of writing.

#2 - the writer is a "freelance" reporter and a member of the Native American Journalists Association - and as such it must be noted that "objectivity" is not necessarily maintained since membership requires "tribal affiliation" in some way.

#3 - per the article, while unemployment hovers around 84%, and 97% of the residents live below the poverty level, death and health rates are abnormally bad, the population is RISING! Now say what you want, but that just doesn't add up.

#4 - when taking into account #3, the article also makes clear that "half" the population are registered tribal members - meaning that half the people that are CHOOSING to live within the confines of the reservation are not members of the tribe.

#5 - taking 3 and 4 together - it would appear that the Oglala Lakota nation - as an INDEPENTENT NATION, has a severe problem with immigration - especially since most of the immigrants are apparently unemployed drunks according to the claims made by the article. (And people wonder why some US citizens want controlled borders....)

#6 - The nation has made illegal the sale or possession of alcohol. Then the article complains about the high rate of alcoholism and about liquor stores in a small community outside the limits of the reservation. If possession is illegal, then as long as the drunks stay off the reservaton, whats the problem. I mean, common sense says stick their version of a border crossing sitting at what apparently is the only road going and coming into the reservation from that community, and deny entry to any drunk or person with "contraband". Alchohol problem solved. Oh but wait - that would require them to do for themselves wouldn't it?

#7 - much ado is made about the "rich" tribes who profit from gambling - but the article predates the Prairie Wind Casino - which includes a 78 room hotel (6 with jacuzzis!) that was built at an estimated cost of ~20Million. The tribal government recieves the proceeds - but who knows what they do with them..... Oh they have a restaurant that seats about 180 people too....
http://www.prairiewindcasino.com/index.htm

#8 - the article bemoans the lack of resources/employment opportunities for the reservation inhabitants - due to the level of poverty. However, the USDA 2002 report indicated that there were over $33 MILLION worth of agricultural sales on the reservation during that year, but only a small portion of it went to tribal members. Again we refer to #5 - since apparently all the unemployed drunk immigrants were actually there cultivating and selling some form of agriculture under the very noses of this reporter and the national government - without being noticed.

I could continue, but in the above we can see that the article as written is designed to emotionally pull heart strings and paint the bleakest picture available to the reader. In that - it succeeds, but at the cost of showing the lack of "journalistic integrity" of the writer once the reality is examined.

Do you think a $20 Million dollar casino is going to open up in the midst of a spot where "59% of the homes are substandard" and "33% of the homes lack basic water and sewage systems, as well as electricity"? Yea, thats really going to bring in the tourists. Especially since the article claims that 80% of the residents suffer from alcoholism, people are regularly found frozen to death, there is little to no health care, one mediocre grocery store, etc.

But even though people are dying off left and right from all this - the population is growing with all the immigrants....

I dunno about any of you, but if I was going to invest in a $20 Million dollar casino - that isn't quite where I would go.

Oh - before I forget - lets not forget the article stating that just about every state that borders the reservation is poisioning the water supply with runnoff of pesticides.... My god - is this place built at the bottom of a bowl and every place around is higher so they get all the water runoff?

No - what this is - is a "pity us" piece, ripe with every negative that can be found, ignoring the role of self determination for the people and the nation as a whole, which they are (or were if we take the author at her word) failing at miserably.

I don't say that the US Government is blameless, but remember that as an independant nation - they have a responsibility to their own people, and its obvious by the data shared by the writer if taken at face value, that they have failed in that responsibility. But its always easier to blame others instead of acting to improve yourself. They operate under the same treaties and regulation as other tribes - and those other tribes prosper where they fail - and somehow that is the fault of everyone else.....

[OneToughHerring]

#1 Things really haven't changed that much in 4 years.

#2 Feel free to provide links to disprove the facts, such as average life span in the reservation etc.

#3 The population is rising just like it rises in developing nations and in places after big wars. We had a big population jump after WW2 in Finland. The kids that are born are counted in the population although they might die of infant death, neglect due to alcoholism, etc. reasons. And if a kid lives to be, say, 17 and is killed due to crime/drugs/alcohol/etc. then that's not really a 'proper' life, now is it?

#4 Many propbably don't count themselves into the official tribe, not sure what the politics are behind that. I do know that even the Oglala are pretty divided on issues, partly because of outside influence. Many people who are partly Sioux but mostly white have a vote in their affairs, easy way to keep them down.

#5 Funny to call a reservate an "independent nation". Real funny. And to flip this into an immigration issue, really hilarious. How about you extricate yourself out of the States, you're an immigrant. You are not in your own country.

#6 Not exactly sure what you mean. Alcoholism is rife in the reservation and the US alcohol producers are all too happy to make a bundle off it. As far as enforcing prohibition, I don't think the Oglala reservation is infact a "nation". If it's a country of it's own then does it have, for example, a seat in the UN etc.? I don't think so.

#7 The casinos are a good way to put more alcohol into the reservation, and to take money out of the native peoples pockets to people like the alcohol producers that provide the casinos with alcohol products. Native people naturally carry the risks and if the venture goes belly up they take the hit.

#8 Wouldn't surprise me if the white Americans would be doing the selling and the buing in the reservations too. While naturally having ownership of native people's holy places like the Black Hills.

Reading what you write, I feel like I am discussing the treatment of Jews in a concentration camps with a nazi. Sorry but I can't help it, and it kind of makes it difficult for me to have this discussion.

[AVGWarhawk]

Why, you got your John Wayne - gear on and are raring for some Indian shooting - action? :)

John Wayne was a movie star. What does that have to do with a still living resistance? Come on guy, the American Indian might still harbor some feelings about it but that usually last about a second after calculating the casinos take for the day. :O:

[AVGWarhawk]

Here's some info on the condition on the Pine Ridge Oglala (Sioux) Reservation of SD. Gives some idea about what kind of conditions native people have to live in, in the modern day equivalents of concentration camps.

http://www.linkcenterfoundation.org/id24.html

First of all, this is a 4 year old article. What is the place like today? Second, is this the only place people live in squaller? Well, no. American Indian, black, white, yellow and any other color of the spectrum live in similar condition here in the US. The American Indian did not corner the market on this type of living.

[OneToughHerring]

John Wayne was a movie star. What does that have to do with a still living resistance? Come on guy, the American Indian might still harbor some feelings about it but that usually last about a second after calculating the casinos take for the day. :O:

That's a pretty racist way to think especially considering how false it is. After all your help to the Haitians you were the last person I pegged as a racist. Guess I was wrong.

[Dowly]

Jebus OTH, you see racism in everything, don't you? :DL

[AVGWarhawk]

That's a pretty racist way to think especially considering how false it is. After all your help to the Haitians you were the last person I pegged as a racist. Guess I was wrong.


Hardly racist or a way to think friend. It is fact. Cold hard reality of the matter. You have singled out one group. Encompass all groups sir. Let just say you are racist against white America. After all, in your view white America is the cause for all of this. Correct? Really, get off the high horse. I help all across the board with relief OTH, you on the other hand are the armchair keyboard jockey that likes to stir the crap. When you get into the trenches helping others let me know.

Moving along, I have seen enough in this thread.

[OneToughHerring]

Hardly racist or a way to think friend. It is fact. Cold hard reality of the matter. You have singled out one group. Encompass all groups sir. Let just say you are racist against white America. After all, in your view white America is the cause for all of this. Correct?

White, yellow, black. I don't differentiate. I just wish the "red" man would get some justice in the end. I mean they are even talking about paying slave reparations to the descendents of slaves. Are the natives completely forgotten? Just wipe away their cultures and no more problem?

Really, get off the high horse. I help all across the board with relief OTH, you on the other hand are the armchair keyboard jockey that likes to stir the crap. When you get into the trenches helping others let me know.

Moving along, I have seen enough in this thread.

Ok you know what, I'm going to go the Amazon jungle, wipe out some native tribe and build a house where they used to live. Then you will appreciate me, right?