Google Groups Forum Accuses Neal

[Brag]

Extracted item:


You can read any forum at subsim without registering except the SH5
forum. I guess Neal is in Ubisoft's pocket and is providing them with
some damage control because the more people that read about Ubisoft's
planned DRM for SH5 the more customers they lose.


Can read every forum at subsim except SH5 forum! - comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.war-historical | Google Groups (http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.war-historical/browse_thread/thread/6007391fe90c5225/fcbdeed9ac05d36d?lnk=raot)

[Sailor Steve]

Just one poster's opinion. Who cares?


And why not post there to contradict them?

[Brag]

I'm just the messenger --I don't know if access been limited to people that register or not.

[Nisgeis]

I'm just the messenger --I don't know if access been limited to people that register or not.

Quick! Shoot him!

I noticed that it was unavailable to people who were not logged in a while ago, rather like the SH4 forum was for a time. It was during subsim's yoyo phase though, so it may have been some glitch. It's fine now.

[tomfon]

Its only one guy, Brag. So what?

[Adriatico]

My understanding was - that Neal had to limit the number of access-lines to SH5 forums as, for a few days, traffic was increadible so Subsim would end up in traffic-jam.

It happened to me that ( as member ) could not access SHV site at least 7-8 times in a last week of January and first week of February.

Boiling point...:damn:

And wide-community is disgusted and outraged with Ubi's DRM ... so they see "DRM quisling" in poor Neal - just for his effort to keep the situation under control...
:know:

[Takeda Shingen]

It's quite simple: Many people that come to this forum 'off the street', as it were, are the type of gamer that would, shall we say, cause problems that you would see on many of those other types of game forums. Having people register and have a bit less in the way of anonimity reduces the volume of poor citizenship. If you're going to flame, flame with a nickname.

[St. Cobra]

Those retards have been trying to kill the silent hunter series since SH2. I stopped posting there years ago. They never have anything good to say. :nope:

[FIREWALL]

It's quite simple: Many people that come to this forum 'off the street', as it were, are the type of gamer that would, shall we say, cause problems that you would see on many of those other types of game forums. Having people register and have a bit less in the way of anonimity reduces the volume of poor citizenship. If you're going to flame, flame with a nickname.



:up: :salute:

[mookiemookie]

It's quite simple: Many people that come to this forum 'off the street', as it were, are the type of gamer that would, shall we say, cause problems that you would see on many of those other types of game forums. Having people register and have a bit less in the way of anonimity reduces the volume of poor citizenship. If you're going to flame, flame with a nickname.

Google groups: "We'll have none of that sensible thinking here. It gets in the way of our conspiracy theories."

[Jimbuna]

Google groups: "We'll have none of that sensible thinking here. It gets in the way of our conspiracy theories."


Precisely...what a load of bollocks :nope:

[Schultz]

Even , when I am not logged in, at school I can read the sh5 topic

[Nisgeis]

That quote said that you had to register to read the SH5 forum, not to post in it, which was true a while ago.

[Kefru]

All you have to do is register and Neil imposes no restrictions.

Just some guy trolling

[Schultz]

I meant to read not to post, yes 2-3 months ago there were restrictions, but there aren't any more.

[Mud]

Sorry to say but this thread is a pile of bollocks :nope:
Google groups ? no Sir just 1 guy with a nickname Cronos and the post is from Jan 31.

Mud

[capthelm]

Extracted item:


You can read any forum at subsim without registering except the SH5
forum. I guess Neal is in Ubisoft's pocket and is providing them with
some damage control because the more people that read about Ubisoft's
planned DRM for SH5 the more customers they lose.


Can read every forum at subsim except SH5 forum! - comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.war-historical | Google Groups (http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.war-historical/browse_thread/thread/6007391fe90c5225/fcbdeed9ac05d36d?lnk=raot)


stop flooding the forums with ****e brag eh..

[Adriatico]

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/3246/28851698.jpg

[Nisgeis]

stop flooding the forums with ****e brag eh..

I don't quite know myself why this thread exists. Originally I thought it was a 'did anyone have this problem' thread, but it seems not. Just to clarify, I don't believe Neal would collude with a software company as alleged. He's always come accross as a man of high standards and low cut tops, who remains calm in the face of controversy.

[Hanomag]

Ahh.. who cares... I know Neal.. and I trust him.

SH5 is either gonna sink or swim on its own... :hmmm:

[Nisgeis]

Yeah, can't wait for the upcoming in depth preview.

[Hitman]

I'm still trying to decide what is more stupid, the google group nonesense or us dedicating even a few seconds of our life to comment it :hmmm:

[JScones]

I'm still trying to decide what is more stupid, the google group nonesense or us dedicating even a few seconds of our life to comment it :hmmm:
The latter. Or more to the point, someone even bothering to post it here.

[Highbury]

At least the spelled Neal right :up:

[FIREWALL]

Yes. :yep: Let's keep the censoring of what other people post alive and well.

[Frederf]

Speaking of which, I got in a brief pissy back and forth with some other poster and a few posts disappeared into the ether. It was cool because all that stuff was better off not being posted in the first place and it could have distracted from the main thread. Still, it's kind of unsettling when posts vanish without any sort of trace. Thanks to the moderator for the service but a quick PM also would have eased my paranoid tendencies, just something like "I removed some posts to keep things positive" would've been ample.

[Webster]

Speaking of which, I got in a brief pissy back and forth with some other poster and a few posts disappeared into the ether. It was cool because all that stuff was better off not being posted in the first place and it could have distracted from the main thread. Still, it's kind of unsettling when posts vanish without any sort of trace. Thanks to the moderator for the service but a quick PM also would have eased my paranoid tendencies, just something like "I removed some posts to keep things positive" would've been ample.

i dont know the specifics of your situation but what you describe sounds like it was a banned member who returned with a false alias and started the thread.

if a persons account is deleted then it is automatic that all the threads he started get deleted as well and anyone who posted in that thread wont see any record their post exist anymore. it clears out all their content for certain rather then us having to try to continue to deal with and try to find all the leftover controversial crap they leave behind.

as a rule we only delete stuff as a last resort and only for good reason, even if it might be a reason that you dont have all the facts to understand.

[Ships-R-Us]

Sounds like a fair and great system, especially because it eliminates all the damage control required to deal with the residuals, and assuming this procedure applys to banned members only. There are valid reasons presented by other posters here that when dealing with current members, I believe some notification should be in place.

[jazman]

This post was not on "Google Groups." It's a USENET news group. No censoring there, so if you have a problem, why don't you go over there and give them an earful? Nothing like a good old-fashioned USENET flamewar.

As a matter of fact, that post was correct. For a time you had to be logged in to read this forum. In the real world, if you have to register just to read, it appears as though it's a fanboi forum, or it's strictly controlled by the publisher, and therefore it's all pink ponies and rainbows. This is typically done when a publisher wants to limit exposure of hapless passers-by to grim truth.

Additionally, it was noted there later that you could now read without registering.

It all amounts to a Big Fat Hairy Deal.

[Sgtmonkeynads]

Well if thats the case the person that posted did not register or read the 900 bazillion threads on why DRM is the Devil, or how the developers killed smurfs in front of the Care bears.

Thinking back...the fact that you had to log in order to read may have saved some business.

[Webster]

Sounds like a fair and great system, especially because it eliminates all the damage control required to deal with the residuals, and assuming this procedure applys to banned members only. There are valid reasons presented by other posters here that when dealing with current members, I believe some notification should be in place.


not banned but closed/deleted user accounts

just being banned doesnt effect you threads

[Ships-R-Us]

The title of this thread is misleading and inaccurate. It was only one individual post and not reflective of the group to which it was posted.

Thanks for the "real skinny" Webster.

[Takeda Shingen]

Well if thats the case the person that posted did not register or read the 900 bazillion threads on why DRM is the Devil, or how the developers killed smurfs in front of the Care bears

Center square for the win. You'd be hard pressed to see rainbows and ponies thorugh the 70+ pages of DRM 'discussion'.

[Onkel Neal]

At least the spelled Neal right :up:

Haha, that's what I was going to say :O:

[Frederf]

i dont know the specifics...

Thing is it was in the well-established thread (torpedo reload video) that neither me or the other user started. The thread's still there obviously and as far as I know my user isn't banned. Simply the contentious 3-5 posts vanished. The other user I got in a tiff with didn't seem overly malicious, just interpreted my response to another post as requiring defense of that post, to which I took offense; and Bob's your uncle. Again, perfectly civil and lovely result, but rather mysterious happenings.

Not to distract too much, here's $0.02 on the original topic. I can't imagine Subsim forums being declared fanboyish or corporate shills. Any practices Subsim has in regards to registering can't be anything other than bandwidth and quality control. Subsim is one of the best compromises between praise for and criticism of a video game series on teh Internetz.

[onelifecrisis]

Thing is it was in the well-established thread (torpedo reload video) that neither me or the other user started. The thread's still there obviously and as far as I know my user isn't banned. Simply the contentious 3-5 posts vanished. The other user I got in a tiff with didn't seem overly malicious, just interpreted my response to another post as requiring defense of that post, to which I took offense; and Bob's your uncle. Again, perfectly civil and lovely result, but rather mysterious happenings.

Your comments very suddenly got very inflammatory. Rather than get dragged into a pointless pissing contest I reported the post and Webster deleted both our posts. All in all I reckon what he did was better than alternatives (locked thread, brig time, or infractions). Let's move on eh?

[Webster]

Your comments very suddenly got very inflammatory. Rather than get dragged into a pointless pissing contest I reported the post and Webster deleted both our posts. All in all I reckon what he did was better than alternatives (locked thread, brig time, or infractions). Let's move on eh?

ok i went back to figure this out and i see that they were deleted by neal and im guessing he also gave you both a free pass on brig time.

it was done to not derail or highjack the thread and OLC is correct about the "other" solution was a locked thread, brig time, or infractions or maybe a combination of all of them.


we view delete as a nuclear option not to be used unless absolutely no other choice will do.

its usually only used for spam and spambots and is usually left up to neal or the administrators.

[Onkel Neal]

I wiped the bickering, and thought that was doing us all a favor. I'm surprised it wasn't obvious why they were deleted, but if we have to spend another 30 minutes discussing it, maybe it wasn't as obvious as I thought :hmmm: This comment is not aimed solely at OLC and Frederf so don't take it that way, ok? Comment: I am not seriously committed to spending an additional hour a day to PMing everyone who has to be told not to start a lil flamewar. After the modder squabbles, I was hoping to catch a break :)

[Letum]

Funny that should happen so soon after I posted this:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=161790
;)

[The Enigma]

I wiped the bickering, and thought that was doing us all a favor. I'm surprised it wasn't obvious why they were deleted, but if we have to spend another 30 minutes discussing it, maybe it wasn't as obvious as I thought :hmmm: This comment is not aimed solely at OLC and Frederf so don't take it that way, ok? Comment: I am not seriously committed to spending an additional hour a day to PMing everyone who has to be told not to start a lil flamewar. After the modder squabbles, I was hoping to catch a break :)

I'm surprised that this matter is discussed in the open for more then 3 pages now.
One or more affected posters could easily send a PM to the mods or to the admin and asking what happened to their messages.

Neal, I don't think you need to defend yourself.
We all know this place isn't a democracy.
Subsim made rules and to the rules we have to obey.
If we don't like them (then we shouldn't have joined at the first place) we have to leave.

To all:
Don't you think this thread should be closed and vanish to the archives.
It's not such a great ad for this imo great place.
Take your losses and move on.
Let's focus back to all the other subjects like errr... drm :03:

[Adriatico]

I would be happy to see this thread closed... but it had 1.270 visitors over one night: that could understand that step in a terribly wrong way.

Sometimes it's just less damaging to let the people spit at you...
:cry:

[piri_reis]

:down: Thread topic is terrible and pretty useless.
+1 for closing.

[HundertzehnGustav]

its an useless topic, but shows us again how Important Subsim can be at times.

Neal is holding the end of a damn long lever..to some, sometimes.

way to go Boss!

The more i come here, the more i like it. despite the complains from someone somewhere bitching cause he doesnt want to sign up.

:rock::rotfl2:

[Brag]

What this thread proves is that we are not being sensored. :DL

[Safe-Keeper]

Surprised they didn't say "Big Gaming" or "Big Ubi", since that kind of buzzwords seems to be the norm these days.

Oh, and we need a small-time, locally produced organic alternative. Preferably released on wooden DVD's. Oh, and you have to come to the game producers to pick up the copy. It's better for the environment that way, you see.

[Adriatico]

Surprised they didn't say "Big Gaming" or "Big Ubi", since that kind of buzzwords seems to be the norm these days.

Oh, and we need a small-time, locally produced organic alternative. Preferably released on wooden DVD's.

Oh, maybe we need a Norway standard of internet connection for all the SH community? With no drops of connestion 7 times per day... and min. 512 sending speed of connection ?

We are just defending Neal's position in this mess, caused by DRM.

And doing that trough Ubi's position and approach is the worst way... beleive me, mate... :dead:

[Frederf]

Neal, certainly it crossed my mind that it could've been wiped in an act of kindness and like I said before, no complaints at all, just that that kind of action is a little weird as things go. It's like getting a present without knowing who gave it or why... nice but creepy. I have the nasty habit of speaking up for myself against a subtle offense in a way that is brash, like the defensive football player that rushes offside when he sees the offensive lineman twitch. On the surface it looks like I was the first (and perhaps only) bad guy and it's an arrangement I've encountered all my life. I realize it's fair for me to rock the boat for everyone else minding their own business but I often lack humility when I'm offended.

On the contrary about the other issue, I think this thread is a shining endorsement of the Subsim forums. I would be happy to read (as a potential registeree) that even during disputes or in the face of unnecessary criticism that people merrily converse in a civil and level manner.

A lesser board would seek to sweep any negative press under the rug which is rather Stalin-esque and disdainful. A forum that reports an outside criticism internally and calmly gives it full regard from all angles instead of acting like the Iraqi Information Minister or as pitchfork-weilding fanboys is a good forum in my book.

[AVGWarhawk]

Stevens...always making trouble. It all started way back when he got his first dirt bike and.....:O:

[les green01]

hmmm i can read the silent hunter 5 forum without loging in so looks like to me if you can read it not log in you wouldnt have to be register to read it