All ships, planes and subs

[ParaB]

Can be seen on Gamestar.de, which is currently reviewing the game.

http://www.gamestar.de/news/pc/action/simulation/2312583/silent_hunter_5.html

Quite a lot actually, and according to the text they are indeed nicely detailed, with sailors walking around and planes getting lowered into hangars etc...




BTW the comments so far on Gamestar.de on recent articles about SHV have been dominated by criticism about the DRM, same in the forum. It's not just us "few" die-hard subfans... ;)

[mookiemookie]

German-flagged liberty ships. :rotfl2:

[razark]

I see they still have problems with the American aircraft.

It was nice to see the New York class battleship. Maybe some day I'll get to take a shot at the Texas.

[piri_reis]

Thanks for the link.
Lots of good stuff in there I think, especially the airplane models have improved?

And a U-class boat:

http://images.idgentertainment.de/images/idgwpgsgp/bdb/2097177/800x600_prop.jpg

[Eightbit]

It's nice to see the Type II, Here's hoping they will let us use it eventually. But man do I miss it already. I think the transition from the Type II to the Type VII was one of the best moments in sh3!

[PL_Andrev]

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/7673/screenhunter1z.jpg

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/9416/screenhunter2x.jpg

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/5651/screenhunter3.jpg

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http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/9681/screenhunter5n.jpg

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http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/4277/screenhunter7m.jpg

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http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/93/screenhunter12u.jpg

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/4416/screenhunter13x.jpg

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/669/screenhunter16.jpg

[PL_Andrev]

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http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/4576/screenhunter10k.jpg

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/7981/screenhunter11h.jpg

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http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/9681/screenhunter5n.jpg

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/3012/screenhunter6.jpg

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7703/screenhunter7y.jpg

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/659/screenhunter8g.jpg

[PL_Andrev]

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9350/screenhunter13z.jpg

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/3131/screenhunter14.jpg

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/669/screenhunter16.jpg

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/9025/screenhunter17r.jpg

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/3675/screenhunter18t.jpg

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/4900/screenhunter19p.jpg

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/282/screenhunter20.jpg

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/6162/screenhunter21.jpg

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/5876/screenhunter22.jpg

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/8725/screenhunter23.jpg

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/3234/screenhunter24.jpg

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/7812/screenhunter25.jpg

[PL_Andrev]

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1809/screenhunter29h.jpg

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/9666/screenhunter30.jpg

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/9265/screenhunter31.jpg

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8594/screenhunter32.jpg

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9420/screenhunter33.jpg

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3971/screenhunter34.jpg

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/8530/screenhunter15.jpg

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/7937/screenhunter35.jpg

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5775/screenhunter36.jpg

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8863/screenhunter26.jpg

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5237/screenhunter27.jpg

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4138/screenhunter28.jpg

[Sailor Steve]

Lovin' some of those new planes!:rock:

[TH0R]

Lovin' some of those new planes!:rock:

So do I!

Also, the carriers look darn good... :cool:

[Sailor Steve]

Waitaminute...

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5237/screenhunter27.jpg

What is that?

[elanaiba]

I suppose its good if you can't recognize it ;)

[Chad]

Man, can't wait to start sinking those babies!

[TH0R]

Waitaminute...

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5237/screenhunter27.jpg

What is that?

I am also clueless... Anyone?

[ETR3(SS)]

These pictures are great! But I have to ask, why are American planes generically named still?

[Slammer001]

I am also clueless... Anyone?
How you get that?

[ozzysoldier]

not to be bitching but not alot of cargoships and tankers
and a liberty of the krigsmarine?

[PL_Andrev]

not to be bitching but not alot of cargoships and tankers
and a liberty of the krigsmarine?

Where is a problem?
There is "Komet" too - german raider / auxiliary cruiser. Only one.
About tankers and other german ships - some can be leave in port, but I remember at the first years of war some german tankers refuel uboats.
Milk cows are other story.

[Lord Justice]

I suppose its good if you can't recognize it ;)Is it sir? once again our fine members be so circumstanced to seek info from another source, :doh: but easily conformable we are, to leaked int! and combined with the evident good within the forum i should hope we observe without too much peripheral vision. However some struggle to appreciate the lack of what we already have, so therefor, well done Sir ParaB, and thank you. :DL Good day.

[elanaiba]

Oh god, Para, is that Shakespeare?

[ETR3(SS)]

not to be bitching but not alot of cargoships and tankers
and a liberty of the krigsmarine?Remember this is just a preview. We may not be seeing all ships in the game.

Where is a problem?
There is "Komet" too - german raider / auxiliary cruiser. Only one.
About tankers and other german ships - some can be leave in port, but I remember at the first years of war some german tankers refuel uboats.
Milk cows are other story.Ozzys problem, like mine, is with the Germans having a Liberty ship as part of their merchant fleet.:shifty: But like I said, this is just a preview.

[Heretic]

:hmmm: I think I recall some controversy regarding US companies claiming their WWII planes were copyrighted and couldn't be used without licensing fees. I don't recall if it was in relation to flight sims or modelling or if I'm just completely full of ****.

[ETR3(SS)]

:hmmm: I think I recall some controversy regarding US companies claiming their WWII planes were copyrighted and couldn't be used without licensing fees. I don't recall if it was in relation to flight sims or modelling or if I'm just completely full of ****.
Sounds like typical Corporate American greed to me.:nope: But how could they still have a copyright on something they haven't manufactured in 70 years? Not to mention some of those manufacturers are non-existent today.

[Lord Justice]

Oh god, Para, is that Shakespeare?No my dear fellow, i rather like to think it more Shakes fear, with to much anticipation for ones love of the sh sims. :)

[cardiff]

That aeroplane is clearly a catalina flying boat, am amazed at the number of ships here. They have clearly gone to town on recreating most major warships which leads me to believe we will see alot of scenarios (ie scharnhorst Gneisenau and Glorius battle, sinking of the ark royal...they so could have been lazy and used the model for the Illustrious class....etc.). here is also a model of the Queen Mary, and nearly every ship in the German surface fleet. Cant wait to get a close up view of the ships.

[oscar19681]

That aeroplane is clearly a catalina flying boat, am amazed at the number of ships here. They have clearly gone to town on recreating most major warships which leads me to believe we will see alot of scenarios (ie scharnhorst Gneisenau and Glorius battle, sinking of the ark royal...they so could have been lazy and used the model for the Illustrious class....etc.). here is also a model of the Queen Mary, and nearly every ship in the German surface fleet. Cant wait to get a close up view of the ships.

The catalina had 2 engines and a cockpit . It doesnt show on the screenshot though.

[TH0R]

The catalina had 2 engines and a cockpit . It doesnt show on the screenshot though.

Enter moders. :D

[Sailor Steve]

No, they have the Catalina, and always have. That is something different - three engines and three tails.

But I also saw a BV-138 and a JU-290. Looking good!

[AngusJS]

:hmmm: I think I recall some controversy regarding US companies claiming their WWII planes were copyrighted and couldn't be used without licensing fees. I don't recall if it was in relation to flight sims or modelling or if I'm just completely full of ****.Yeah, it was Grumman that threatened legal action against Oleg over the inclusion of Grumman aircraft in Pacific Fighters. The result: no Avenger, and thus no torpedo bombers in the game IIRC.

This apparently affected SH4 as well: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom//showthread.php?t=111927

[CaptainNemo12]

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/669/screenhunter16.jpg

What's with the super long periscopes? Unless you can't retract them fully into the sub...:rotfl2:

[Nisgeis]

What's with the super long periscopes? Unless you can't retract them fully into the sub...:rotfl2:

This is from a preview copy and has been fixed.

[Letum]

and has been fixed.

Source?

[HundertzehnGustav]

hate the Yankee bomber and the Brewster instead of the Grumman avenger
need more german hardware in there... where are the AI Type IXs?

[conus00]

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/669/screenhunter16.jpg

Just a minor detail: every AI controlled sub has an "(AI)" attached to the name. How come that IIA does not? Does it mean that there might be IIA actually playable in the game?

[TH0R]

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/669/screenhunter16.jpg

Just a minor detail: every AI controlled sub has an "(AI)" attached to the name. How come that IIA does not? Does it mean that there might be IIA actually playable in the game?

I thought the same, but then - only VII is playable, why should other subs require to have (AI) next to the name if they aren't playable...

[conus00]

Waitaminute...

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5237/screenhunter27.jpg

What is that?

Consolidated PBY-5 Catalina Lvl 2 :haha:
(couldn't resist)

[TH0R]

What I am also wondering - what plane is the one on picture no.110?

[HundertzehnGustav]

need Ju88 to reimport all GWX/SHIII planes to SHV
this is awful...
americn corporate greed wanting dollars for depicting oldtimer planes in games. Horrible, just horrible.

[razark]

Source?

Pretty good source. I'd trust it.

Thats not my intention but for example there's one ship that I'm sure its not there, and bugs like the type II's periscopes being overextended, shouldn't be there either.

[razark]

What I am also wondering - what plane is the one on picture no.110?

To me, it looks like the result of experiments at getting a B-17 to mate with a B-24. At least it's not a Lancaster, like last time.

http://images.idgentertainment.de/images/idgwpgsgp/bdb/2097140/800x600_prop.jpg

[Hartmann]

Nice , but one detail.. no IX boats ?? :nope:

[Webster]

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/669/screenhunter16.jpg

What's with the super long periscopes? Unless you can't retract them fully into the sub...:rotfl2:


wow, no kidding :har:

they must be 150ft long

[PL_Andrev]

Nice , but one detail.. no IX boats ?? :nope:
Relax, there are missing Milk Cows too (type XIV).
Its mean that this is not full list or from not completed/finished version.
:cool:

[JU_88]

The U.S aircraft are fictional, but are 'loosly based' on historic ones.
its the same licensing issue that plagued SH4. Its not the devs fault.

We will get historic US aircraft eventually, even if i have to do it meself :D

[JU_88]

need Ju88 to reimport all GWX/SHIII planes to SHV
this is awful...
americn corporate greed wanting dollars for depicting oldtimer planes in games. Horrible, just horrible.


No importing from GWX, I have some better work to use for SHV, Sh3 models will look real sh1tty in SHV without alot of remodling, reskining, light maps etc.
And devs, you JU-88 is a JU-188, I should know :O:

[Sailor Steve]

Consolidated PBY-5 Catalina Lvl 2 :haha:
(couldn't resist)
If I unlock it, can I fly it?

[longam]

Waitaminute...

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5237/screenhunter27.jpg

What is that?

Could be n Easter Egg because its real close to this...

http://spacetoys.com/prodimages/b_C0872W2W.jpg.jpg

[MercurySeven]

Just a minor detail: every AI controlled sub has an "(AI)" attached to the name. How come that IIA does not? Does it mean that there might be IIA actually playable in the game?

Training mission?

[JU_88]

one more time.....

The U.S aircraft are fictional, but are 'loosly based' on historic ones
its the same licensing issue that plagued SH4. Its not the devs fault.

:03:

[Frederf]

It really is sad how the likeness of these 70+ year old planes can still be owned. I understand a license to the actual design such that you couldn't start a F-6F factory and start pumping out replicas as if you invented the thing, but a painting of a B-17 isn't freely allowed?

Also the German Liberty Ship is just a consequence how programatically they are modular like that. You could fly the Swedish flag over a BB easily... it doesn't mean there are going to be Swedish BBs in the actual campaign. Some careless programmer probably randomized ship types with nation flags for the purposes of making these preview screenshots and these are just some funny results of that.

[Sailor Steve]

The whole 'license' thing bugs me too. Thirty years ago I worked for Utah's only model distributor. At that time there was a flap when Chevrolet told the model companies they were going to start requiring a license fee. Revell and Monogram both said "That's okay. We just won't make models of your cars anymore."

I think the retraction went something like "Oh, um, there's some kind of misunderstanding..."
:rotfl2:

[Letum]

Ubisoft got sued by Grumman a few years ago for use of the Grumman
name, but not the aircraft likeness. It was settled out of court, but I
guess Ubi are now a little wary.
That said, even after the Grumman case, Ubi did release products
featuring exact likenesses of Grumman and other US planes without
any deal between the two companies.

[longam]

That is so messed up, like who would care is a game had a plane in it from WWII.

[THE_MASK]

No my dear fellow, i rather like to think it more Shakes fear, with to much anticipation for ones love of the sh sims. :)
I think it all started when i rudely quiped 4Para about the english language :damn::damn::damn::damn::damn:

[Blood_splat]

Weren't some of those planes built with tax payers money?

[Letum]

Weren't some of those planes built with tax payers money?

No.
They where just bought by the gov. after they where built.

[Frederf]

Educational materials can skirt these kinds of rules with fair use. A textbook about WWII can't be sued just for putting a picture of a Grumman plane in it. Maybe some day Silent Hunter will rise to the level of educational material.

[Highbury]

No.
They where just bought by the gov. after they where built.

After they were designed. The military then orders them, then they are built. They don't keep thousands on hand hoping the military comes calling.

The whole process does consume tax-payers money but the designs are still patented.

[HundertzehnGustav]

No importing from GWX, I have some better work to use for SHV, Sh3 models will look real sh1tty in SHV without alot of remodling, reskining, light maps etc.
And devs, you JU-88 is a JU-188, I should know :O:

dont care!
The SHIII Catalina had at least the right number of engines...


Can you see my disgusted face...
damn fekkn copyright issues...

the brits are not as stupid as that, we get some accurate planes.

Poor devs, what bullshat they must have gone through...

[onelifecrisis]

That is so messed up, like who would care is a game had a plane in it from WWII.

Americans. :nope: :lol: *runs for cover*

[walsh2509]

Nice models of the ships , the only thing that disappointed me a tad from one of the SHV videos , was when one of these ..

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/9416/screenhunter2x.jpg

was hit and the ship blew up, the damage model still looked the same as older SH's. As in the square rigs and cranes over the holds came off in 1 piece

[JScones]

Nice plane selection (notwithstanding obvious copyright restrictions). :up:

Great to see the BV 138 in "stock" - a plane I wanted to see in SH3 years ago!

And devs, you JU-88 is a JU-188, I should know :O:
IMHO it looks more like an amalgam of the two. The nose certainly looks JU 188, but the rounded wing tips and tailplane are definitely JU 88.

[Decoman]

Looks like the model of Iowa class battleship (USA) has its turrets scaled wrong.

Edit: Hm, or maybe they are freakishly big.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8594/screenhunter32.jpg

[TH0R]

Looks like the model of Iowa class battleship (USA) has its turrets scaled wrong.

Edit: Hm, or maybe they are freakishly big.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8594/screenhunter32.jpg

Or maybe it is the North Carolina, as stated in the description. ;)

Iowas weren't in action before '44 IIRC. And the game ends in mid '43.

[mookiemookie]

Looks like the model of Iowa class battleship (USA) has its turrets scaled wrong.

Edit: Hm, or maybe they are freakishly big.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8594/screenhunter32.jpg

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/ships/img/BB/BB-55_NorthCarolina.gif

Looks about right to me.

[609_Avatar]

:hmmm: I think I recall some controversy regarding US companies claiming their WWII planes were copyrighted and couldn't be used without licensing fees. I don't recall if it was in relation to flight sims or modelling or if I'm just completely full of ****.

You're right and it was related to IL-2 Pacific Fighters where they didn't get permission/pay fees to use a copyrighted name of a plane on the box before it shipped... Pretty lame as the tax payers are the ones that paid for it all... :-?

[609_Avatar]

Yeah, it was Grumman that threatened legal action against Oleg over the inclusion of Grumman aircraft in Pacific Fighters. The result: no Avenger, and thus no torpedo bombers in the game IIRC.

This apparently affected SH4 as well: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom//showthread.php?t=111927

Opps, should have read the whole thread before posting. What he said! :D

[tater]

Il-2 Pacific Fighters was published with the Grumman name on the box art—with no © or ™ or ® anywhere to be seen, or attribution of the name to Grumman NG. The box, however, has an Ubi ©, so the implication is that Ubi owns everything on the box.

THAT was the copyright problem. NG lawyers could then demand whatever they wanted, or force the recall (and damages) of the boxes. They went out on a limb and made the claim that they had rights to the artistic image of the units, and Ubi seems to have caved on this.

IMO, had they had a copy editor look at the box art nothing would ever have come of it. You'll note all other games have real US planes and they are not paying royalties. Really.

[mookiemookie]

IMO, had they had a copy editor look at the box art nothing would ever have come of it. You'll note all other games have real US planes and they are not paying royalties. Really.

Seems to be a "once bitten twice shy" kind of deal with Ubi.

[tater]

At this point they may be contractually obligated to because they had bad lawyers, who knows.

[Heretic]

Let us not speak ill of our Corporate Overlords. They know what's best.

[difool2]

You can go on over to Wilmington NC to see the original North Carolina BB if you want to confirm the size of the turrets...

[Heretic]

You can go on over to Wilmington NC to see the original North Carolina BB if you want to confirm the size of the turrets...


It's near the Airport so there's always planes flying by.
...
and you can operate the AA mounts :D

[Chad]

Are there any other naval sights to see? Possible 2010 Subsim Meet idea :D

[bigboywooly]

Interesting choice of aircraft
Nice to see the Sovereign and Queen Liz BBs
Fair choice of brit DDs - a/b/r/s/v&w and tribal classes and the u class sub

Hope there are a few more merchant\tankers ingame

Shame no Ge Rboot/KFK though

Oh and nice to see the Br Clemson named correctly as a Town class

[Cohaagen]

Wow - for once they've actually tried to properly model the Royal Navy capital ships...no more sinking HMS Nelson three times in one patrol. I'm impressed. No, seriously. Well done for putting in Renown and the refitted QEs. For a few moments I actually forgot to tell my 89yr old grandfather that the Battle Of The Atlantic only lasted until 1943 :03:.

Still, I doubt most would have grudged the exclusion of a de facto coastal vessel like Schleswig-Holstein if it'd have meant more hours spent modelling British ocean-going escorts or cruisers. I mean, Ubisoft have looked at the RN ships sunk on www.uboat.net (http://www.uboat.net) ...haven't they?

[JU_88]

Hey one thing, I couldnt see any PT boats? :oops:
What happened to S-boat & Elco, A Vosper or Fairmile would have been nice....

[FIREWALL]

About the planes and their likenesses and copyright.

Like the Catalina with 3 engines.

I could do the same with ANY other plane. (Change it's appearance a bit)

And then tell a manufacturers Lawyer to go sh!t in his hat. :DL

[Webster]

About the planes and their likenesses and copyright.

Like the Catalina with 3 engines.

I could do the same with ANY other plane. (Change it's appearance a bit)

And then tell a manufacturers Lawyer to go sh!t in his hat. :DL


and this is likely the way the devs saw it too, make them easy to convert to realistic models by us who cant be sued to protect the game and UBI so they cant be sued.

[Diopos]

...
and this is likely the way the devs saw it too, make them easy to convert to realistic models by us who cant be sued to protect the game and UBI so they cant be sued.

Actually they maybe sued if the modded file is saved/hosted on their machines...

[FIREWALL]

Actually they maybe sued if the modded file is saved/hosted on their machines...

And a UFO might take them away to be probed too. :haha:

[JU_88]

And a UFO might take them away to be probed too. :haha:



Agreed, and even if it come down to it, I reckon Ubi could afford a pretty good lawyer themselves...:haha:

[cardiff]

I think the Schelswig holsten is included because it fired the first guns of the second world war, maybe a starting mission involves this in some way (ie stop polish ships fleeing to the UK).

[Frederf]

I know they don't photograph well but it'd be nice if lesser DEs, minesweepers, tiny merchants, etc were shown. SH3 and SH4 kind of had the problem that only huge ships were in the game despite reality showing that escorts were often last year's models and some without full ASW capability.

[FIREWALL]

It strikes me the Modabilty will be just as important if not more so the the D-Connect.

[cardiff]

Not to nit pick, but i think the model of the Hood is missing the range finder on top of her tower as well as the mast, and the main rangefinder behind the second main gun seems to be missing its fins.

http://www.gamestar.de/index.cfm?pid=6&pk=81228&fk=2096975

http://www.gamestar.de/index.cfm?pid=6&pk=91510&fk=2097146

historical pic

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h60000/h60450.jpg

it makes the ship look like its missing something major to me.

[TH0R]

Not to nit pick, but i think the model of the Hood is missing the range finder on top of her tower as well as the mast, and the main rangefinder behind the second main gun seems to be missing its fins.

http://www.gamestar.de/index.cfm?pid=6&pk=81228&fk=2096975

http://www.gamestar.de/index.cfm?pid=6&pk=91510&fk=2097146

historical pic

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h60000/h60450.jpg

it makes the ship look like its missing something major to me.

Lets hope they put it in the final release...

[PL_Andrev]

So many ships...
So many modders created new ships, new merchants...

Any news about fast manual recognition (at 100% real)?

[Weather-guesser]

Sweet! Getting psyched! :yeah:

[Decoman]

I wonder if the merchant ships have a variety of colors and not simply being all gray.

Seems fair to say that some would be light gray, black, red or maybe also white.

[Webster]

I wonder if the merchant ships have a variety of colors and not simply being all gray.

Seems fair to say that some would be light gray, black, red or maybe also white.


if they are spotted then they are going to be sunk so why would you think that they would ever use bright colors that attract attention?

they only did this in peace time

[Decoman]

Very well. I found btw a thread discussing this color issue of mine:http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=152218

Perhaps it would be a nice feature to have ship colors turn gradually from default merchant ship color in 1939 to a standard gray'ish pallette in 1943?

[Letum]

if they are spotted then they are going to be sunk so why would you think that they would ever use bright colors that attract attention?

they only did this in peace time

Even in 1944 I would imagine that a significant number of merchant ships still had their peacetime colors.

No point painting over your yellow chimney and light-grey hull if you have a smoke plume almost a mile high.
Especially if your not even doing the main Atlantic run.

[Webster]

Even in 1944 I would imagine that a significant number of merchant ships still had their peacetime colors.

No point painting over your yellow chimney and light-grey hull if you have a smoke plume almost a mile high.
Especially if your not even doing the main Atlantic run.


good point, so any pre-war built ships might just still have bright colors

[Kongo Otto]

Just to clear it for the JU 88
It is a JU 88B0, they were the Prototypes for the later Ju 188.
It had the Cockpit from the Ju 188 and the Airframe from the Pre Production Ju 88A4.
Just 10 have been built.

[AG124]

Is there any word on ships which are actually included in the game, but which did not appear in the screenshots posted earlier in this thread? I'm especially interested to hear about some smaller tankers and freighters, and some coastal vessels, if there are any present. I would also like to see screenshots of the UK Fiji Class CL, and US Wasp Class CL, if they are included.

Any screenshots of ships, NOT previously revealed in this thread (and its links), would be appreciated.

[pythos]

I actually like the substitutes for the american planes. That Catalina looks like a possible design. It almost looks like a Walrus (the critter).

But the whole legal crap is just annoying. I also find if funny that the same country that has the medical insurance scam we have is the same that has such nonsense that has companies by the image from defunct aircraft companies and demand liscense fees.

Greedy mother.....