question to all members here ?

[Lt commander lare]

hi to all members here including neal i was wondering if anyone would be offended or upset if i bought and tried sh5 i mean i spent over 650 dollars to upgrade my computer for this game and ubisoft pulls this drm thing well we are going to need some people here to analyze the game so to speak and i was wondering if you would all nominate me to try out the game and give an honest feedback on all of it and i have been here for a long time im setting up a pole, vote how you feel there will be no hard feelings no matter what if u all say no then thats what i will do

lt commander lare

[Boris]

Don't worry about it dude. Despite the negative hype a lot of us are going to buy SH5, myself included. I'm not going to feel guilty towards the subsim community, nor should I, and nor should you or anyone.

[TarJak]

I'm abstaining from the vote because there is no option to say it is your call.

I've made my call. You have to make your own and should not let pressure from any group sway your convictions.:salute:

[Webster]

neal has already said he is buying it to give us all an unbiased informative review of the game.

do what you want to but there is no need to do it for the community to get info about the game.

[Sailor Steve]

I'm with Tarjak. Don't ask others to tell you what to do. Make up your own mind.

Adding to what Webster said, there will be many who will buy the game, and they will talk about it. What you do is up to you.

I would politely ask that you start using punctuation in your writing, though. It makes it much easier to read.:sunny:

[THE_MASK]

You have to make up your own mind .

[IanC]

I would politely ask that you start using punctuation in your writing, though. It makes it much easier to read.:sunny:

Steve get with the times us tweeters and texters dont use punctuations :O:

i mean i spent over 650 dollars to upgrade my computer for this game and ubisoft pulls this drm thing


That really ruffles my feathers when I read things like that. People spent a lot of money before knowing about DRM, some found out they can't even play it. Anyways...
Like others said, make up your own mind. Remember Neal will also buy and review it as soon as he can.

[Sailor Steve]

Steve get with the times us tweeters and texters dont use punctuations :O:
thenwhyusespacesatallorevnspllngyknwitsntthtsytrdi twnitsdnthtwy

[IanC]

:haha:

[ryanglavin]

I'm going to buy the game myself, but I will not share my opinions until Neal does. Because hes been here a long time. A LONG TIME.

[onelifecrisis]

Punctuation Is Your Friend (http://hubpages.com/hub/punctuation)


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Full stop
A full stop is used to mark the end of a sentence.
A full stop is sometimes used to mark a short form of a word such as an initial.
Also known as a 'period'.

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Comma
A comma is used to mark a pause between different items in a list.
Use as a pause or an interval.
A comma is often used to separate two phrases within the same sentence.
A comma is used to mark the beginning and the end of a phrase which interrupts the flow of a sentence.

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Question mark
A question mark is used at the conclusion of a sentence that asks a direct question.
It is not used at the end of an indirect or reported question.

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Exclamation point
An exclamation point at the end of a word, phrase or sentence to indicate forceful utterance or strong feeling, such as surprise or rage. It can also follow an order given to someone. Also called an exclamation mark

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Brackets
Brackets are used to separate a comment or phrase from the rest of the sentence.
The bracketed word, phrase, or sentence may amplify the meaning or be explanatory. Or it may contain a remark or passage that departs from the theme.

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Hyphen
A hyphen is used between the parts of a compound word or name (to join two words that are normally separated) or between the syllables of a word (especially when divided at the end of a line of text).

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Semicolon
A semicolon marks a longer pause than a comma to indicate a major division in a sentence. Used to create a more distinct separation between clauses or items on a list than is indicated by a comma. It separates statements which could stand as sentences on their own and are usually of similar importance, but are not linked with a conjunction.

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Dash
A dash is used in place of a semicolon to mark a pause in a more dramatic way - to create an abrupt break or pause in a sentence or hesitation in an utterance.
Two dashes can used instead of brackets to separate a piece of information from the rest of the sentence.
A dash is written very much like a hyphen. The difference being the dash is longer, and has a gap on both sides of it.

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Quotation Marks
Quotation marks, also called Inverted Commas, are placed on either side of words and the punctuation that goes with them, to show that someone has spoken or of a text directly cited.
Quotation marks can be put around a word or phrase to make it stand out from the rest of the sentence.
Quotation marks can be written in one of two ways "either" - 'or'. "Sometimes this way is used to show speech" and the other one is use to 'draw attention' to a word or phrase.

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Apostrophe
An apostrophe used to indicate the omission of one or more letters. It can be also be used the same way with numbers. For instance to denote a calendar year: instead of 1998 it could be written as '98.
An apostrophe is used before or after an 's' at the end of word to show who owns something. When you use its to mean the owner of something you do not write an apostrophe.
An apostrophe also shows the plural of a number or letter of the alphabet, or a word which does not normally have a plural.

[ryanglavin]

Punctuation Is Your Friend (http://hubpages.com/hub/punctuation)


http://s2.hubimg.com/u/125533_f120.jpg

Full stop
A full stop is used to mark the end of a sentence.
A full stop is sometimes used to mark a short form of a word such as an initial.
Also known as a 'period'.

http://s3.hubimg.com/u/125538_f120.jpg

Comma
A comma is used to mark a pause between different items in a list.
Use as a pause or an interval.
A comma is often used to separate two phrases within the same sentence.
A comma is used to mark the beginning and the end of a phrase which interrupts the flow of a sentence.

http://s4.hubimg.com/u/125539_f120.jpg

Question mark
A question mark is used at the conclusion of a sentence that asks a direct question.
It is not used at the end of an indirect or reported question.

http://s3.hubimg.com/u/125542_f120.jpg

Exclamation point
An exclamation point at the end of a word, phrase or sentence to indicate forceful utterance or strong feeling, such as surprise or rage. It can also follow an order given to someone. Also called an exclamation mark

http://s2.hubimg.com/u/125549_f120.jpg

Brackets
Brackets are used to separate a comment or phrase from the rest of the sentence.
The bracketed word, phrase, or sentence may amplify the meaning or be explanatory. Or it may contain a remark or passage that departs from the theme.

http://s3.hubimg.com/u/125550_f120.jpg

Hyphen
A hyphen is used between the parts of a compound word or name (to join two words that are normally separated) or between the syllables of a word (especially when divided at the end of a line of text).

http://s4.hubimg.com/u/125551_f120.jpg

Semicolon
A semicolon marks a longer pause than a comma to indicate a major division in a sentence. Used to create a more distinct separation between clauses or items on a list than is indicated by a comma. It separates statements which could stand as sentences on their own and are usually of similar importance, but are not linked with a conjunction.

http://s1.hubimg.com/u/125552_f120.jpg

Dash
A dash is used in place of a semicolon to mark a pause in a more dramatic way - to create an abrupt break or pause in a sentence or hesitation in an utterance.
Two dashes can used instead of brackets to separate a piece of information from the rest of the sentence.
A dash is written very much like a hyphen. The difference being the dash is longer, and has a gap on both sides of it.

http://s2.hubimg.com/u/125553_f120.jpg

Quotation Marks
Quotation marks, also called Inverted Commas, are placed on either side of words and the punctuation that goes with them, to show that someone has spoken or of a text directly cited.
Quotation marks can be put around a word or phrase to make it stand out from the rest of the sentence.
Quotation marks can be written in one of two ways "either" - 'or'. "Sometimes this way is used to show speech" and the other one is use to 'draw attention' to a word or phrase.

http://s3.hubimg.com/u/125554_f120.jpg

Apostrophe
An apostrophe used to indicate the omission of one or more letters. It can be also be used the same way with numbers. For instance to denote a calendar year: instead of 1998 it could be written as '98.
An apostrophe is used before or after an 's' at the end of word to show who owns something. When you use its to mean the owner of something you do not write an apostrophe.
An apostrophe also shows the plural of a number or letter of the alphabet, or a word which does not normally have a plural.
I laughed as I was reading this. I laughed at the end of reading this.
Then I felt like an idiot for not knowing half of these facts.

[Nicolas]

It's a pitty this drm issue. the game looks promising.

If the devs speak it right then sh5 will have:

- Better flooding of the ships.
- Multiple parts of the ships can break.
- Adds to the interior and crew managment a lot (the first person view,
press in sh3 shift-f2 and try to walk around and you can see how nice this feature is).
- Graphics of course.
- Much better campaign.
- Wolfpacks.

:hmmm:

[Mud]

My copy of SHV is still in preorder and still can't decide what to do.
I was looking out for this one but I don't wanna support Ubi with this OSP thing.
Decisions, decisions ......... :damn:

Mud

[Nicolas]

My copy of SHV is still in preorder and still can't decide what to do.
I was looking out for this one but I don't wanna support Ubi with this OSP thing.
Decisions, decisions ......... :damn:
Mud

Imho, you can cancel and wait... that is wise, suppose sh5 is full of bugs etc, if not then you have oportunity of buying later after reading reviews comments etc. They don't make a discount for pre-ordering right?.

[Mud]

Imho, you can cancel and wait... that is wise, suppose sh5 is full of bugs etc, if not then you have oportunity of buying later after reading reviews comments etc. They don't make a discount for pre-ordering right?.

No mate, it's the full price and no bonus items.
And yes I expect bugs .... lots :O:

Mud

[JSLTIGER]

This is one of those decisions that you should make on your own and not allow anyone to influence you.

[Lt commander lare]

i appreciate the feeback and i will try and use puncuations im not that good at it i guess i will take some time and make the call you guys are the best as always and i might just wait until neal's review is out then make the call


lt commander lare

[JScones]

Another one for "Do whatever you think is right for you". :up:

I'm using Neal's SH3 review as levelling for his SH5 review. He gave SH3 100% all across the board. Any less than 100% for SH5 and my decision is made.

[FIREWALL]

If your that easy... Give me your paycheck. NOW!!!

[Jimbuna]

Abstained.....don't be a sheeple, decide what is the best course of action for you as an individual.

To each their own http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif

[TDK1044]

hi to all members here including neal i was wondering if anyone would be offended or upset if i bought and tried sh5 i mean i spent over 650 dollars to upgrade my computer for this game and ubisoft pulls this drm thing well we are going to need some people here to analyze the game so to speak and i was wondering if you would all nominate me to try out the game and give an honest feedback on all of it and i have been here for a long time im setting up a pole, vote how you feel there will be no hard feelings no matter what if u all say no then thats what i will do

lt commander lare

Guys, nobody here should ever be intimidated by the opinion of other members. If you want to purchase the game then purchase it. And if you want to give feed back on the game, then feel free to do that also.

The purpose of myself and others complaining about DRM is not to influence others in terms of purchasing choices. We are simply expressing an opinion that some share and others don't.

This is not a trade union. Anyone wishing to purchase this game should do so with no feeling of guilt. For me, not purchasing it is a point of principle. For others, DRM is not a big deal.

That's the circle of life. :)

I haven't checked my punctuation or spelling, so I apologise in advance, Steve. :DL

[Steeltrap]

I laughed as I was reading this. I laughed at the end of reading this.
Then I felt like an idiot for not knowing half of these facts.

Don't worry. At work I am frequently surrrounded by Master degree holders whom I consider to be depressingly close to illiterate.....

Here are a few words from an acknowledged master of the language, George Orwell:

It is rather the same thing that is happening to the English language. It becomes ugly and inaccurate because our thoughts are foolish, but the slovenliness of our language makes it easier for us to have foolish thoughts. The point is that the process is reversible. Modern English, especially written English, is full of bad habits which spread by imitation and which can be avoided if one is willing to take the necessary trouble.

He wrote that in 1946 (the bolding was done by me). It's an extract from an essay 'Politics and the English Language' (http://www.orwell.ru/library/essays/politics/english/e_polit), and I use that quote as exhibit 1 when someone tells me spelling/punctuation/grammar don't matter.

I think that essay should be included in every English curriculum around the world, especially for his simple rules for clear writing.

OK, off soap box...

[Lt commander lare]

I think jscones is right im going to wait until neals review is out and then make my decison maybe ubisoft will come to there senses and release the game with an offline option and all this will come to pass


lt commander lare

[mookiemookie]

Another vote for the "do what you like" camp. I will not be bullied, pressured or otherwise intimidated by the purchasing decisions of others, no matter how much the messages put forth in some member's signatures would like me to be.

[Brag]

I will not tell an individual to buy or not to buy. However, everyone should know, Despite my dissapointment I'm not buying.' This damned trickery Ubi wants to use to eventually charge us a service fee to finance servers, etc. doesn't work with me.

If enough of us stand firm, Ubi's plan will fail. We are not alone. Because of the DRM launch we're up front. Lots and lots of gamers out there will also vote with their wallets.

Moo! :down:

[Adriatico]

What feedback could you provide to me - on my relation towards online play and "renting" the games... and my preffered privacy... ?

[Ships-R-Us]

What feedback could you provide to me - on my relation towards online play and "renting" the games... and my preffered privacy... ?

Agreed.........

[FIREWALL]

I will not tell an individual to buy or not to buy. However, everyone should know, Despite my dissapointment I'm not buying.' This damned trickery Ubi wants to use to eventually charge us a service fee to finance servers, etc. doesn't work with me.

If enough of us stand firm, Ubi's plan will fail. We are not alone. Because of the DRM launch we're up front. Lots and lots of gamers out there will also vote with their wallets.

Moo! :down:

What feedback could you provide to me - on my relation towards online play and "renting" the games... and my preffered privacy... ?


:up: :up: :up: :up:

[Sailor Steve]

@ Steeltrap: Thanks for the Orwell reference. I had never read it, but his own illustration about 'dressing up' language reminds me of one I came up with a long time ago:

While it is theoretically true that one may direct a quadruped of the genus equus to a nearby source of liquid refreshment, it does not necessarily follow that one may coerce said equestrian to partake thereof.

[Lt commander lare]

I meant i thought i could provide my own feedback on the game itself what i thought of it and the level of play the realism and compare it to sh3 and sh4 but i have decided to wait and force ubisoft to change there ways. If they dont maybe i will change my mind down the line but for now some of the other members here are correct we need to wait I mean but for other members that want to buy the game I think thats great because they can provide feedback on the game and let us know how it is I guess its just dissapointing that ubisoft did this because this is the only game I was interested in this year thats coming out

lt commander lare

[Ships-R-Us]

I meant i thought i could provide my own feedback on the game itself what i thought of it and the level of play the realism and compare it to sh3 and sh4 but i have decided to wait and force ubisoft to change there ways. If they dont maybe i will change my mind down the line but for now some of the other members here are correct we need to wait I mean but for other members that want to buy the game I think thats great because they can provide feedback on the game and let us know how it is I guess its just dissapointing that ubisoft did this because this is the only game I was interested in this year thats coming out

lt commander lare

This forum will be posting lots of feedback. I can see the members now racing to install trying to be the first post reporting live:rotfl2:as Neals server goes tilt.....

[TDK1044]

For those who have been frustrated with the recent server issues here at subsim......imagine you just paid $50 for a video game and the same thing is happening.

You may only have a couple of hours that you can commit to playing SH5 on that day, and the servers are down when you try and access the site.

Classic! :haha:

[Webster]

For those who have been frustrated with the recent server issues here at subsim......imagine you just paid $50 for a video game and the same thing is happening.

You may only have a couple of hours that you can commit to playing SH5 on that day, and the servers are down when you try and access the site.

Classic! :haha:


lets see :hmmm: $50 and spare time on my hands ... i could call Trixie the one legged prostitute

[SteamWake]

Sierra shuts down servers effects 21 games.

Yes ancient history but just an example...

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2008/10/09/sierra-shuts-down-21-game-servers/1

[himlaviz]

For those who have been frustrated with the recent server issues here at subsim......imagine you just paid $50 for a video game and the same thing is happening.

You may only have a couple of hours that you can commit to playing SH5 on that day, and the servers are down when you try and access the site.

Classic! :haha:

As a long time MMORPG junkie I know this all to well. New game/expansion is about to be released, hype is building up, some vacation is planed and before you know it the big day has arrived. You happily install the game/expansion and try to log on to the server to register/upgrade an account just to have a lot of timeouts. Then you manage to do that and wait for the game to patch and then finally you just have to wait for the server to come back up from the latest crash. This might go on for 24 hours or so....

:o:wah::damn:

And you promise yourself not to be there on launch day next time... hrrm yeah. :doh:

[the_belgian]

Don't worry about it dude. Despite the negative hype a lot of us are going to buy SH5, myself included. I'm not going to feel guilty towards the subsim community, nor should I, and nor should you or anyone.

i second that!
we will inform,learn and talk about the game together once it's installed on our computers.
ubisoft hasn't turned us down when we requested things like an entire sub to run trough and all those things we would like to see.
so now that they present us a product in wich they have to combine our wishes with the need to reach a larger public it's up to us not to let them down.
i'll buy silent hunter 5 just like i bought the other four!

[klmmicro]

I canceled my pre-order. Been down this road before with a couple of other titles and it just is not worth the headache. If I am paying top dollar for something, I want to be able to use it WHEN I WANT.

In the end, everyone has to make up their own mind. The group cannot make the decision for you. It sounds like you have put a lot of money into building your machine around this title. That is not a small expenditure. Sounds like a tough call in your case.

[tonschk]

:yeah: I cant wait ,:woot: I need to buy SILENT HUNTER 5 :up: as soon as possible , I cant wait :yeah:

[HundertzehnGustav]

wait and see

[Rip]

Put in my pre-order today on Amazon using the subsim link of course. Have a beer on me Neal!

[TarJak]

No Neal, don't have a beer! Put more coins in the Subsim server slot to keep it running.:D

[Steeltrap]

While it is theoretically true that one may direct a quadruped of the genus equus to a nearby source of liquid refreshment, it does not necessarily follow that one may coerce said equestrian to partake thereof.

:har:

My favourite variation on that is:

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it think.

Very useful in the office when trying to explain some people's behaviour/attitudes......

[cappy70]

....sooon,soooon,....:salute:

[theluckyone17]

I say buy it, if you're so inclined, and feel free to report on its awesome gooey goodness center (once you bite through the nasty putrid DRM crust).

Realistically, one copy ain't gonna make a difference.

It might convince the rest of us to put up that much more of a stand against OSP, so Ubisoft might just relent that much sooner, so the rest of us can get along with putting money in Ubisoft's pockets.

[Lt commander lare]

as it stands im waiting for neals review and the other members who buy the game there review as well im not going to lend a hand to ubisoft's drm policy and the poll that i setup say to wait so thats what im going to do


lt commander lare

[Reece]

as it stands im waiting for neals review and the other members who buy the game there review as well im not going to lend a hand to ubisoft's drm policy and the poll that i setup say to wait so thats what im going to do


lt commander lareGood on ya!:up: I'm just praying for a patch, if one comes then I will buy it!:yep:

[Dave Kay]

I'm with Tarjak. Don't ask others to tell you what to do. Make up your own mind.

Adding to what Webster said, there will be many who will buy the game, and they will talk about it. What you do is up to you.

I would politely ask that you start using punctuation in your writing, though. It makes it much easier to read.:sunny:

Thanks Sailor Steve, I voted for punctuation too....:hmmm:

[Frederf]

I don't have nearly information about the game to even begin to think about buying it or not. The actual facts of how the game series is improving are very few and far between. All we know is that the scope has been narrowed to TypeVIIs, until 1943, and you can traverse about the entire submarine in first person.

I'm going to need a demo and/or a review from a trusted source before I'll consider it.

[tonschk]

:yeah: Without a doubt , I will buy the :salute: SILENT HUNTER 5 :salute: game :woot:

.

[Nimmo55]

As people have said, gotta make up your own mind. I for one will not buy...I will wait for people to post their impressions...if they have dumbed it down, I definately won't buy....want to send a message to the developers in my own small way (and the only way I can vote BTW...). If they haven't dumbed it down and it is ok..I will still think long and hard about buying it...I might support those who are against the internet connection....it's not as if we won't have other choices in the negre of simulation (SoW coming...NTW in terms of strategy about to hit us etc...)

Nimmo55

[Sailor Steve]

And I'm just the opposite. I will certainly buy it just to see first-hand how it plays. But I absolutely will not buy it as long as the "IT tool which is not to be named" is in place.

[Nisgeis]

But I absolutely will not buy it as long as the "IT tool which is not to be named" is in place.

I like it, the new name for *cough*, the 'Lord Voldermort System'.

[Sailor Steve]

I like it, the new name for *cough*, the 'Lord Voldermort System'.
Hastur.

[Asakura]

It's always better to experience something yourself than to just rely on what others are saying. People are too different in their opinions, likings and dislikings - one player of SH5 might say a feature stinks, while another player actually loves that particular feature. There will be many pros and cons on everything, and the only way to find your personal pros and cons is to experience the game all for yourself. You can then discuss your thoughts with others, but you can't discuss something you don't know anything self-experienced about. :03:

[Lt commander lare]

Your right about that point but if i bought it even if everyone here gave me the go ahead to try the game wouldnt i be saying to ubisoft i support your drm and your constant internet connection

lt commander lare

[Webster]

Your right about that point but if i bought it even if everyone here gave me the go ahead to try the game wouldnt i be saying to ubisoft i support your drm and your constant internet connection

lt commander lare


well in my opinion, do your own thing.

if the DRM isnt a big deal for you then buy the game

if you like the game buy it, but forget about this notion of "if everyone doesnt buy it" stuff unless trying to take part in stopping DRM matters to YOU.

if you had real issues with the DRM working or were worried about not getting or being able to afford the connection fees then waiting would make sense.

weather you do or dont buy it wont matter, what does matter is how YOU view it. if you want to make a stand against DRM then do that but if you are on the fence with this DRM thing then one sale more or less wont make a difference.

[Lt commander lare]

Thanks webster i dont currently have any gams that have a drm other than sh3 i dont know if counterstrike counts becuase i know you have to be online to play that but that was created for multiplayer only if i remember correctly well i guess i will wait for neals review if its great i will get it if not so long sh5

lt commander lare

[Jades]

FWIW I'm another one of those who say "it's your money, do what you want." If I'd just spent six hundred and fifty dollars on upgrading my machine I'd be wanting to push my investment to the limit too. Do you play flightsims? The new game from the developers of IL2 looks like it'll benefit from a beefy machine.

I won't be buying SHV as it stands, largely due to the DRM but also I don't think my current machine will even run it!

[Lt commander lare]

yes i play flightsims all the time i have recently beat the game hawx by ubisoft really fun game to play and i have flight sim x and 2004 and i have operation flahpoint 1 and 2 where i fly a fantastic helicopter called airwolf


lt commander lare

[CaptainHaplo]

This boils down to you - my opinion is made. I will not give Ubisoft my money until this OSP is taken out - though they are welcome to put in a DRM package, just not one so invasive. I vote with my money - you do the same with yours.

Yes, if you buy it your telling UBI that your ok with OSP. And thats your right. If OSP is a deal breaker for you as it is me, then don't buy it. If it is something you can live with - then by all means buy it and tell those of us who don't (yet) what your thoughts are!

Don't worry about hard feelings. Anyone who would get upset that you bought the game with YOUR money when it doesn't have anything to do with them, isn't someone that has an opinion worth anything to start with on the matter.

[Lt commander lare]

I have alot of friends here and im glad for it and yes drm thing is a problem for me so im waiting for now until neals review is in and the other members review is in the fact that I spent so much money on this computer to upgrade tells me I can wait like everyone else my computer is ready to go when sh5 is.


lt commander lare