View Full Version : Enough is enough
oscar19681
02-03-10, 09:37 AM
All this endless flow of bashing, discrediting , attacking , and harasing sh-5 can actually do damage. It has moved from the DRM thing to " sh-5 should be released for console " Sh-5 will have sharks with lasers etc etc. To make a long story short i sence that the attack is now focussed on sh-5. The funny thing is nobody has ever played it or seen anything in depth enough to say how it will be. Thuss people feel unsecure about it and start bashing it. I know most of it is focussed at UBI. but i think it will also hurt the devs. But worst of all this could seriously damage the silent hunter series. I can imagine if sails will be bad after release it will be the last silent hunter and you can all be proud becuase you all have contributed to that as well.
:doh: Do you really think the success or failure of SH5 rests on the comments we make here? If SH5 fails, it will be because of the direction Ubi is putting it on, not because of our forum comments.
I wish we had that much power!
There are genuine issues that people are unhappy about based on press
releases and what we already know about SHV.
If SHV does not deserve the general public opinion that the majority of
Subsim members are energetically expressing, and if it is also damaging
the game's prospects, then it would easily be fixed by Ubisoft putting
the record straight and showing us our error.
From the fact that this has not happened, we can conclude that either
Ubisoft does not think the negativity is damaging enough to be refuted,
or Ubisoft can not refute the basis of the concerns because they are truthful.
Neither of these possible cases would give us any obligation to stay quiet
about our concerns and grievances.
Blauritter
02-03-10, 09:47 AM
:doh: Do you really think the success or failure of SH5 rests on the comments we make here? If SH5 fails, it will be because of the direction Ubi is putting it on, not because of our forum comments.
I wish we had that much power!
X2..Ubi is the wrong way ...
oscar19681
02-03-10, 09:49 AM
All i,m saying is give the game a chance. It could be the greatest one yet!
Have Ubi remove DRM/OSP and we'll give SHV a nice push forward. With DRM/OSP included, the game is rubbish and deserves to die
All i,m saying is give the game a chance. It could be the greatest one yet!
The chance they are having now is on it's way to expire in a month. However situation might change if they tossed out DRM completely.. But I'm affraid it's not going to happen since UBI believes DRM will serve more like money draining machine in future, rather then a counter measure against piracy :)
All i,m saying is give the game a chance. It could be the greatest one yet!
When SHV was announced there was much rejoicing and optimism.
That that is no longer the case isn't a result of us forum members being
predisposed to negativity or not giving things a chance. Where that the
cause, the negativity would not be unusual. It is.
Therefor, the dissaperance of the rejoicing and optimism and the
negativity that has since emerged must be a result, not of inherently
negative and bias attitudes, but of what we have been told of the game
so far.
Now it could be that the information we have only focuses on the worst
aspects of the game, but that seams to me unlikely. It is more likely that
the press releases have focused mainly on the best parts of the game.
If you take a rejoicing and optimism crowd, who have not previously
been inclined to negativity, show them mainly the best parts of the game
and they then become negative and worrisome, it does not bode well.
TDK1044
02-03-10, 10:15 AM
Nothing that happens on this Forum will effect Silent Hunter 5 in any way. Historically in the Silent Hunter series, the total percentage of sales from this and other Forums has been a very small number...certainly under 10 percent.
With Silent Hunter 5, Ubisoft has made a business decision to make it an online game targeted at casual gamers. It's therefore understandable that those who wanted the game to continue towards a sim rather than becoming an online arcade experience are critical of this decision.
Don't underestimate the impact of SubSim.
The SHV site doesn't link to subsim on the front page because it is insignificant.
TDK1044
02-03-10, 10:25 AM
Don't underestimate the impact of SubSim.
The SHV site doesn't link to subsim on the front page because it is insignificant.
It links to it because it relates to the Silent Hunter series. In terms of sales, this and other such Forums are not a consideration for Ubisoft.
capthelm
02-03-10, 10:25 AM
i do agree, has become quite boring the forums lately on the negative rants on sh5.
ok keep it all in one thread not a new one every 5 secs on sarcastic neg smuck.
urfisch
02-03-10, 10:25 AM
Don't underestimate the impact of SubSim.
The SHV site doesn't link to subsim on the front page because it is insignificant.
? insignificant...
SteamWake
02-03-10, 10:27 AM
Feed the flames brother :shifty:
The SHV site doesn't link to subsim on the front page because it is insignificant.
? insignificant...
Veeery poor choice of words from me.
It should read
The SHV site does link to SubSim and the reason that it does so is
because Subsim has some significance to Ubisoft.
Galanti
02-03-10, 10:30 AM
The funny thing is nobody has ever played it or seen anything in depth enough to say how it will be. Thus people feel unsecure about it and start bashing it. .
Wake up, for the love of Moses. There is less than a month to go everything we've seen so far points to a dumbed-down, consolized sub-shooter. Just look at that ridiculous periscope interface screenshot. I half expect to see 688's and Akulas in the final project.
I hope I'm wrong, we all want it to succeed, but we're not getting a warm and fuzzy over what Ubi has deemed to show us so far.
martes86
02-03-10, 10:42 AM
:doh: Do you really think the success or failure of SH5 rests on the comments we make here? If SH5 fails, it will be because of the direction Ubi is putting it on, not because of our forum comments.
I wish we had that much power!
Correction for accuracy: if SH5 fails, it will be because Ubi's direction for it will result in people not wanting to buy it, and that's the real killer, the lack of sales. Comments in the forum are also an influence on people that read forums to see how good/bad some thing is, and negative image also contributes to negative sales.
Cheers :rock:
PS.: Oh, and, yes, I agree the abuse of jokes/bashing will ultimately have a bad effect if it translates only in lower sales.
Webster
02-03-10, 11:14 AM
But worst of all this could seriously damage the silent hunter series.
this OMG your gonna kill SH series if you dont stop saying mean things is getting just as old. look i love UBI games and i think they have done a great SH series but weather it lives or dies depends solely on the game they put out and not anything said on these forums or any forum for that matter.
i agree with you that its not good to hear all the bad talk about sh5 but its UBI's fault for not giving us something "real" to talk about so you cant blame us for that and asking people to stop saying bad stuff isnt fair or reasonable. only UBI can do this with releasing info to alay peoples fears.
i assume mods can remove all the arcade indicators of health and damage so i think it comes down to UBI needs to release one simple short in game footage of how you can use the manual targetting and TDC and i think all this doom and gloom talk goes away.
its human nature and pretty solid experience with past promises that if you dont see it then its not in there and this is THE biggest problem with UBI marketting and how they refuse to address the worries their customers have about the game.
sh5 has DRM/OSP (or whatever they call it) so its absolutely not for me even if i get a million dollars to go with it for the inconvenience so i really dont care anymore, im so over it its not even funny.
i think for those who still are interested in sh5 will buy it they will have a nice game. weather it will resemble anything close to the sim experience we were used to with sh3 or sh4 is to be seen but the info as released so far says it wont be.
All i,m saying is give the game a chance. It could be the greatest one yet!
It could be. The problem is that people were expecting GWX5 out of the box, and everything we've seen points to Das Boot, The Game.
It's a new direction in submarine games. It's an interesting concept, and I'll watch to see how it goes. But so far, nothing seems to really connect with a submarine _simulation_ in this game. Perhaps it is there. The marketing campaign may just be going off in a different direction, figuring the folks here are sold already, but a lot of people have been put off by what has been released about the game so far.
The game will have its chance in March. The marketing department has had its chance, and has not brought a lot of hope so far.
MercurySeven
02-03-10, 11:24 AM
Well, bottom line is a rather bad use of the community for developing purpose by UBI. Yes, there is a lot of ranting going on which contributes to the fact that a growing portion of SH fanboys and people that just discovered SH and though it might be worth a try become very cautious about the thing and drop their plans to preorder. But if the information policy and the overall marketing strategy were better (Customer Lifetime Value, for crying out loud!) this might have very well been the other way round with an active and passionate community actively promoting the game throughout the internet. UBIs marketing and strategic department overall failed to promote SH5 so now they get the resulting PR. Other companies and other games have shown how it SHOULD be done. UBI just chose not to learn from them.
It could be. The problem is that people were expecting GWX5 out of the box, and everything we've seen points to Das Boot, The Game.
It's a new direction in submarine games. It's an interesting concept, and I'll watch to see how it goes. But so far, nothing seems to really connect with a submarine _simulation_ in this game. Perhaps it is there. The marketing campaign may just be going off in a different direction, figuring the folks here are sold already, but a lot of people have been put off by what has been released about the game so far.
The game will have its chance in March. The marketing department has had its chance, and has not brought a lot of hope so far.
What Ubi marketing is doing is trying to shove DRM/OSP to an unwilling public with the game taking second place as a vehicle--fatal mistake
It's the rule of nature.. If ppl are happy about something they are expressing it with joy and all positive it has. If ppl are dissapointed about something they are expressing negative emotions, and no one should say or draw a line how much of this should be. It's all natural stuff so pls be tollerant to negatives as you are to positives and reversed. Thanks :)
What Ubi marketing is doing is trying to shove DRM/OSP to an unwilling public with the game taking second place as a vehicle--fatal mistake
I think the OSP pill would be a bit easier to swallow if they'd give us a big spoonful of hardcore simulation sugar to go with it.
From reading comments in this forum, it seems that the OSP was what turned a lot of people away from the game. I think many of those people would be rethinking their stance on OSP if they knew they were getting the quality tested, hardcore subsim they are begging for.
gimpy117
02-03-10, 11:51 AM
+1.
I think some people are thinking they can rate the game before it comes out.
Nisgeis
02-03-10, 11:54 AM
ok keep it all in one thread not a new one every 5 secs on sarcastic neg smuck.
Good luck with that idea. You will have more luck trying to herd cats.
+1.
I think some people are thinking they can rate the game before it comes out.
With all respect I hope you do realize that most ppl are clever human beings and they can obviously make appropiate conclussions from what they're allowed to know by given info. So basically you don;t need to wait untill the very first release to judge about what this game will be like.
onelifecrisis
02-03-10, 11:58 AM
Letum, I'm disappointed. Your reasoning is normally sound.
What's the most important ingredient in a tasty meal? Answer: the mood of the person eating it. We (people) are not flawlessly objective reasoning machines.
I don't need to wait for the game to be released. I do know Ubi said the game would be infected by DRM/OSP. I do know DRM/OSP Suxx, thus making the game a suxxs container that may as well be flushed down the tubes. Nice move, Ubi.
Can it be fixed?
Yes! Get rid of DRM/OSP.
Moo
I don't need to wait for the game to be released. I do know Ubi said the game would be infected by DRM/OSP. I do know DRM/OSP Suxx, thus making the game a suxxs container that may as well be flushed down the tubes. Nice move, Ubi.
Can it be fixed?
Yes! Get rid of DRM/OSP.
Moo
Right.. And if UBI won't remove it - there will always be somebody who will remove it for us..
frau kaleun
02-03-10, 12:12 PM
It could be. The problem is that people were expecting GWX5 out of the box, and everything we've seen points to Das Boot, The Game.
Despite all the fun I've had in other threads cracking wise about various presumed elements of SHV based on info released so far... I can tell you without hesitation that I would absolutely buy "Das Boot: The Game."
If it turned out to be more arcade-y or whatever then I would consider it a very fast and shiny alternative to SH3+GWX3 and probably have some fun with it. If it got modded to be something more/better/different, I'd probably have some fun with that too.
What I will not do is pay the full release-date price for any single-player game that limits my ability to play it whenever and for however long I like by making that ability utterly dependent on the reliable service and continued goodwill of a corporation over which I have no control and which already has my money.
Webster
02-03-10, 12:19 PM
^ ^ ^ ^ smart lady
Adriatico
02-03-10, 12:19 PM
i do agree, has become quite boring the forums lately on the negative rants on sh5.
Well, there are professionals called "Ubi marketing"... that are paid for making this and similar web sites "alive and kicking" by their input... which was in a last two weeks "gorgeous and exciting"...:dead::yawn::dead:
If football game is boring - don't blame the crowd and fans... but ask professional players! ...what we should be inspired about ?
Except DRM disaster... there is "raido silence" on Ubi side... with a few arcade screens.
So we can find the way to keep the SH brand alive... or leave it to it's destiny in web silence... boring in both ways.
And if you think that in their own garden, "Ubi forums", the mood is better... check it out :dead:
Afterall, I agree with you... it is damn boring and pesimistic... despite the IQ of members... quess whom to blame?
EDIT: This whole post just won't work. -- NS
Iron Budokan
02-03-10, 01:38 PM
We don't have to play this game to know there are elements within (all duly noted and accounted for from UBI itself) that are, to many of us, troublesome to say the least.
goldorak
02-03-10, 01:59 PM
Right.. And if UBI won't remove it - there will always be somebody who will remove it for us..
Maybe, maybe not. But this still will not fix the heart of the problem.
If and I say if you buy SH V out of a sense of loyalty to the devs or the series (although you don't like the drm) and then you get the non official version because it plays better, you are still accepting Ubisofts policy.
Things are simple : if you don't accept the drm you don't buy the game until Ubisoft decides to remove it. When will it be who knows. 1, 2 or even 5 years down the road or maybe never.
If you accept the drm then you'll buy the game.
There are no middle roads here, its one or the other.
Webster
02-03-10, 02:08 PM
Things are simple : if you don't accept the drm you don't buy the game until Ubisoft decides to remove it. When will it be who knows. 1, 2 or even 5 years down the road or maybe never.
If you accept the drm then you'll buy the game.
There are no middle roads here, its one or the other.
this is why as far as i am concerned there is no sh5
one day IF UBI decides they want to release a version of sh5 that I can play then i will buy it but for now they may as well call it a playstation game because it isnt usable on my PC
gimpy117
02-03-10, 02:50 PM
With all respect I hope you do realize that most ppl are clever human beings and they can obviously make appropiate conclussions from what they're allowed to know by given info. So basically you don;t need to wait untill the very first release to judge about what this game will be like.
yes, we allowed to have opinions, but not jump the gun when ubi puts out a few screen shots and videos. i just feel were being very trivial fans who are used to GWX
Right.. And if UBI won't remove it - there will always be somebody who will remove it for us..
If so then that whole DRM/OSP thing is a farce and that whole anti pirate protection is a big joke.
And who knows, maybe it is ..............
Mud
goldorak
02-03-10, 03:40 PM
this is why as far as i am concerned there is no sh5
one day IF UBI decides they want to release a version of sh5 that I can play then i will buy it but for now they may as well call it a playstation game because it isnt usable on my PC
Don't tell that to me.
I stick to my principles even if it means I don't get to play the game. Case in point SH 3. I've waited several years before finally buying a budget edition that came DRM free.
I've played it years after everybody else but I still enjoyed the game.
In some cases I've had to abandon any hope of ever playing some obscur or niche titles (such as sequels to lock on or even dcs : black shark) simply because the publisher or the devs never cared to release a drm free version.
Gaming is not a drug, its not a work it has to be an enjoyable endevour.
And going crazy over drm, what it can do to hardware, create incompatibilities, blue screens etc... is not what I consider a smooth trouble free experience.
So years agoi I decided to only buy those games that have had their DRM removed officially. I buy less games, but those that I have give me no trouble whatsoever (except for the normal bugs).
Platapus
02-03-10, 05:27 PM
The funny thing is nobody ...seen anything in depth enough to say how it will be.
You have identified the problem. Ubi has chosen (and it is their choice) to only show us glitzy graphic eye candy and nothing significant about the actual game play attributes. Why would a software developer/distributor do some thing like this?
One reason is that perhaps the glitzy graphic eye candy is the best that SH5 can offer its customers.
It may not be fair to Ubi, but no one ever claimed that business was fair, but if Ubi chooses to release only limited information, it is only human for the members of this forum to make assumptions. They may be right, they may be wrong.
But if Ubi were truly interested in "selling" this game to not only the customer base that likes glitzy graphic eye candy, but to the customer base that likes game play realism simulation, Ubi would release more information.
People bitch about SH5 because they care. it is important to us. We want SH5 to succeed, but due to the lack of information from Ubi, we are stuck with the inferences we make with the information we are given.
That's why some of us are upset... because we don't know what SH5 will be.
Only Ubi can fix this, but it appears they are not interested in mitigating this issue.
Webster
02-03-10, 06:01 PM
if the fisherman lets the fish sit on deck to spoil he cant then turn around and complain because you arent buying his spoiled smelly fish now can he?
in my mind UBI has worked very very hard to make people be dissappointed in what we have seen so far and it is all their doing
not because we are just too spoiled and demanding and asking for too much
theluckyone17
02-03-10, 08:11 PM
Despite all the fun I've had in other threads cracking wise about various presumed elements of SHV based on info released so far... I can tell you without hesitation that I would absolutely buy "Das Boot: The Game."
If it turned out to be more arcade-y or whatever then I would consider it a very fast and shiny alternative to SH3+GWX3 and probably have some fun with it. If it got modded to be something more/better/different, I'd probably have some fun with that too.
What I will not do is pay the full release-date price for any single-player game that limits my ability to play it whenever and for however long I like by making that ability utterly dependent on the reliable service and continued goodwill of a corporation over which I have no control and which already has my money.
Exactly. Well said, and it states my stance as well. I will stand my ground, too.
As an aside, are you married? Do you have a sister? Wait, I'm married. Will you talk some sense into my wife for me? :D
THE_MASK
02-03-10, 08:14 PM
Apart from the crew abilities which i hope can be modded (cannot see why not) I cannot see anyone bashing SH5 . OPS on the other hand deserves to be bashed to death .
Steeltrap
02-03-10, 08:19 PM
Wait, I'm married. Will you talk some sense into my wife for me? :D
Why? Do you want her to leave you?
:har:
frau kaleun
02-03-10, 08:37 PM
:har:
Hey, wait a minute. That was, like, the best set-up ever... and you stole it from me while I was logged out!
:stare:
I guess I'm just gonna have to stay connected to Subsim all the time now.
:doh:
Hey, wait a minute...
:O:
theluckyone17
02-03-10, 10:00 PM
Heh. Maybe she's hopeless. If she'd had any sense at all, she wouldn't have married me. It's probably for the best, too... she said "Divorce is not an option, but the shotgun is." Doesn't bode well for me...
Yeah, off topic, I know, but we need a little humor right now :D. Nice to see somebody took my bait, too...
Overboard
02-03-10, 10:17 PM
Maby we should stop playing submarine games for a while and just move on to something else.
Steeltrap
02-03-10, 10:17 PM
Heh. Maybe she's hopeless. If she'd had any sense at all, she wouldn't have married me. It's probably for the best, too... she said "Divorce is not an option, but the shotgun is." Doesn't bode well for me...
I like a woman who takes the 'til death do us part seriously.
:rock:
Not so sure I want her to arrange it, however...
:hmmm:
Highbury
02-03-10, 10:26 PM
Maby we should stop playing submarine games for a while and just move on to something else.
^^^ what IS this man on about????
Overboard
02-03-10, 10:33 PM
From SH1 to SH4.. i played them but now im Thinking ive had all the sub games i care for.
I mean you can only sink a ship so many times till your like think WTF...(dull).
Kapitanleutnant
02-03-10, 10:40 PM
From SH1 to SH4.. i played them but now im Thinking ive had all the sub games i care for.
I mean you can only sink a ship so many times till your like think WTF...(dull).
Hi and welcome to www.subsim.com/radioroom (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom)! Can you guess what people like to play and talk about at www.subsim.com (http://www.subsim.com)?
I'll give you a hint: It's not tanksims (except in the tanksim section!).
Hope this helps!
audessy
02-04-10, 07:45 PM
If you don't like SH5 I'm sorry but Ubi probably won't care or notice. Stop wearing your fingers out on this and learn to mod. Fix the crap out of SH4 and make it into a game we love. It has a lot of potential. I've been adjusting values and playing with the models since Sh2 days. Either way SH5 can't suck half as bad as SH2. Remember no dynamic campaign?
My one and ONLY concern with DRM is the fact that it will take away from the mod friendliness. If that's the case... oh well.
I'm ignorant and don't see how succesful modding will not be seriously byrestricted by OSB/DRM.
OBS will think modders are hackers
Webster
02-04-10, 08:24 PM
I'm ignorant and don't see how succesful modding will not be seriously byrestricted by OSB/DRM.
OBS will think modders are hackers
i have given the idea some thought and if the mod tools they speak of are only available online then your mods will also only be doable online and maybe only be able to be kept on UBI servers so it works. that could mean that all data on UBI servers would then belong to UBI giving them the right to steal/borrow/use your mod settings and ideas to call their own and use the modding community as free labor resource to create game updates and fixes for the game.
but this is just wild random speculation on my part and only a company with no reguard for its customers would do such a thing
so maybe the solution is online only modding
sabretwo
02-04-10, 11:05 PM
I know most of it is focussed at UBI. but i think it will also hurt the devs.
I think we all feel bad for the devs at this stage. They must be on suicide watch right now. (Nothing like pouring your heart and soul for months on end into something to see it's future dashed before its even brought to life.) Although judging from the chuckle during the last dev interview, they must have been bracing for the backlash to some degree.
But all that said, UBI made this mess for themselves. Although poor marketing communications and lack of visible features are valid concerns, I think the DRM/OPM bomb is the real killer. If they removed the DRM/OPM crap, subsimmers would probably embrace it in spite of its shortcomings hoping that modders can get the game to a level that suits most expectations. But the DRM/OPM has nailed the coffin closed for possibly as much as 84% of us! (according to the poll)
If SH5's failure ends the SH-series, there is only one entity to blame...UBI itself.
Rule #1 of business: DON'T PI**-OFF YOUR LOYAL CUSTOMERS!
:nope:
I think the OSP pill would be a bit easier to swallow if they'd give us a big spoonful of hardcore simulation sugar to go with it.
From reading comments in this forum, it seems that the OSP was what turned a lot of people away from the game. I think many of those people would be rethinking their stance on OSP if they knew they were getting the quality tested, hardcore subsim they are begging for.
The OSP isn't something one should "swallow". This is a feature that gives total control to the publisher. No game or anything in a game will ever make me swallow that. It's not the arcadish features or the game it self i'm having a problem with or the game at all. That i can swallow because SH5 do come with hardcore options. Ubi wants to drag new players into the genre and thats a very good thing. God knows the genre needs more. Many of the new players will probably HAVE to play with easy options. At least till they get the gripes on the TDC and other stuff :)
I will never give in to total control from anyone or anything... ever. No matter what the deal is.
THE_MASK
02-05-10, 03:28 AM
i have given the idea some thought and if the mod tools they speak of are only available online then your mods will also only be doable online and maybe only be able to be kept on UBI servers so it works. that could mean that all data on UBI servers would then belong to UBI giving them the right to steal/borrow/use your mod settings and ideas to call their own and use the modding community as free labor resource to create game updates and fixes for the game.
but this is just wild random speculation on my part and only a company with no reguard for its customers would do such a thing
so maybe the solution is online only moddingSH3/4 saves games with mods so whats the diffrence with SH5 saving games with mods on there server .
karamazovnew
02-05-10, 03:31 AM
The OSP isn't something one should "swallow". This is a feature that gives total control to the publisher. No game or anything in a game will ever make me swallow that. It's not the arcadish features or the game it self i'm having a problem with or the game at all. That i can swallow because SH5 do come with hardcore options. Ubi wants to drag new players into the genre and thats a very good thing. God knows the genre needs more. many of the new players will probably HAVE to play with easy options. At least till they get the gripes on the TDC and other stuff :)
I will never give in to total control from anyone or anything... ever. No matter what the deal is.
Ubi will use OSP for all games, not just for SH5. Yes I agree there will be a conflict between the need to advertise this niche game and the potential downfall of the unborn SH5 community.
But in my view, Ubi makes the games so they can do whatever they want with them. You don't need to "swallow" this, you can just keep your money. The guy who took this decision clearly stated that they base their hopes on the fact that MOST people have internet access. So yes, they agree that they slap the others on the face.
What's sad is that the devs got caught in this too. It's clear that they will loose sales no matter how good the game might be. It's clear that Ubi will have to change its mind later on so it's sad that SH will get hurt just because it's one of the first game to have this "feature".
Ubi will use OSP for all games, not just for SH5. Yes I agree there will be a conflict between the need to advertise this niche game and the potential downfall of the unborn SH5 community.
But in my view, Ubi makes the games so they can do whatever they want with them. You don't need to "swallow" this, you can just keep your money. The guy who took this decision clearly stated that they base their hopes on the fact that MOST people have internet access. So yes, they agree that they slap the others on the face.
What's sad is that the devs got caught in this too. It's clear that they will loose sales no matter how good the game might be. It's clear that Ubi will have to change its mind later on so it's sad that SH will get hurt just because it's one of the first game to have this "feature".
I am keeping my money. At least untill we get an offline option or a better solution comes along. I am fully aware that the OSP is being used with most upcoming titles and i'm not buying any of those either. I cancelled 4 pre-orders.
I agree when it comes to the devs. I feel sorry for them because they do alot of hard work. I respect them for that. It's a very unfortunate situation. As i said... it's not the game that is the problem and i will buy it the second we get the offline option or a better solution. Untill then i'll just play something else or just buy the games for a console if available.
I use alot of money to keep my PC highend for gaming. It's part of my work as reviewer and i'm not going to accept a game that may start to pause in the heat of a battle because my internet connection may lag or drop. Bad pings and lag happens to everyone in every network. How low it has to be before the game is starting to pause is another thing. But the requirement is a highspeed broadband according to the OSP faq.
What would you say if movie companys started to add the same type of DRM on Blu-ray and DVD's? Internet connection is quite common on Blu-ray players.
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