2010 Formula 1 Championship [Archive] - SUBSIM Radio Room Forums

Sekure

02-09-10, 04:55 PM

I'm thinking Mercedes might have a good season if Schumacher is fit and hungry enough to go for more success/glory.

Not convinced the car is good enough though.

Already discounted Button at Maclaren on the grounds that lightning probably won't hit the same spot twice.

I really don't think that Schumi would have returned if he didn't think he could "hang" with last year's top drivers. Also, I'm of the firm belief that Schumi at 99.8% is equal too, if not better than, the rest of the drivers.

I think Vettel is an amazing raw talent and he'll do really well as long as he gets a competitive car.

With regards to Mercedes: It may not be good enough at Bahrain, but rest assured that Mercedes will do anything/everything in their power to make it competitive after a few races. Mercedes has a stellar race history and I'm sure they wouldn't want to tarnish that with lackluster appearances.

The car really won button the championship last year. If he was in any other car he wouldn't have made the points he needed at the start of the season.

I will be supporting:
Schumi, Vettel, and maybe Hamilton (but his big bling earring kind of turns me off) although he is an exciting driver.

I also would like to see Massa do well.

Nicolas

02-19-10, 06:04 PM

Sekure knows.
I wonder how fit Schuchamer will be. But i'm sure too that he returned because he is confident about being on top. I dont see Schumacher doing shame.

stabiz

02-20-10, 03:46 AM

I think Ferrari will take it this year, with Alonso.

TheBrauerHour

02-21-10, 08:00 PM

I recently began watching F1. The Speed channel here shows the races from the 2009 season. I have watched 5 or 6 of them, the last of which saw Rubens Barrichello win in Valencia Spain I believe.

I am really enjoying watching F1, but find the lack of info about it here in America dissapointing.

Can any of you recommend some links or news sources I can go to so I can follow F1 better? I would like to see the new cars with all these rule changes and also had no idea on some of the driver moves (Button no longer at Brawn GP?)

I am looking forward to this upcoming season.

Nicolas

02-22-10, 03:05 AM

You can start with the official f1 web site:
http://www.formula1.com/

Looks like this season will be good, more teams, no rules conflicts.

stabiz

02-22-10, 06:00 AM

I use this one:

http://planetf1.com/

Lionclaw

02-22-10, 07:58 AM

Here's a quite good site for F1 stats. http://www.statsf1.com/

TheBrauerHour

02-23-10, 08:31 PM

Thanks for the links everyone. I can't wait to watch some great racing this season.

bert8for3

02-24-10, 06:00 AM

Motorsport has good pics during/after each event; F1 link under the Photos Channel heading. Also some news stuff. ... http://www.motorsport.com/

Also http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/

And tech stuff here ... http://www.f1technical.net/

Dowly

02-28-10, 11:32 AM

Go Kovo! :haha:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw5sfoJQAes

antikristuseke

02-28-10, 12:02 PM

PERKELE!:haha:

Lionclaw

03-02-10, 03:05 PM

10 days to the start of season 2010! :woot:

I've been looking forward to it since the last race in 2009. I haven't missed a race since San Marino's Grand Prix 2005. :DL

Jimbuna

03-02-10, 03:53 PM

2010...possiblr y the year Schumacher reminds everyone what they were missing last season :hmmm:

Konovalov

03-02-10, 04:20 PM

Go Webber and Vettel. Go the Red Bulls. :rock:

antikristuseke

03-14-10, 07:26 AM

**** **** **** **** ****.

I cant watch F1 live anymore as no channel broadcasts it, ****ing ****.:damn:

Jimbuna

03-14-10, 08:34 AM

Lap 43/49 and Ferrari are in 1 and 2 positions.

Jimbuna

03-14-10, 08:59 AM

Result:

1. Fernando Alonso (Ferrari)
2. Felipe Massa (Ferrari)
3. Lewis Hamilton (McLaren)
4. Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull)
5. Nico Rosberg (Mercedes)
6. Michael Schumacher (Mercedes)
7. Jenson Button (McLaren)
8. Mark Webber (Red Bull)

Not a bad sesons opener...congratulations to all the points winners :up:

XabbaRus

03-14-10, 09:39 AM

Pity about Vettel. Seems his car is suffering from Newey syndrome. Blisteringly quick but prone to breaking down. I hope his season isn't like that.

Good job by Jenson. Just saw an interview with him on BBC F1 forum. Seems happy, holds his hand up that he needs to qualify better but I think for a first race in a new team against Lewis he can be happy.

I did think the race was boring and I think tyres are going to be the issue. Bridgestone need to make them more marginal.

Syxx_Killer

03-14-10, 09:50 AM

This was the first F1 race I have watched in a few seasons. I actually enjoyed it. It was good seeing Alonso win again and great to see Massa doing good after that horrific accident last year. I felt bad for Vettel, though. He was doing great up until his car broke.

TheBrauerHour

03-16-10, 05:53 AM

Yeah too bad for Vettel. He was solidly in teh the lead once his exhaust manifold came loose. The start of the race with Webber spraying for mosquitos with smoke from his engine leaves me concerned for Red Bulls chances.

How about Lotus F1 actually making it to the end? That should be viewed as a big accomplishment, and hopefully as the season goes on they will gradually improve. As for HRT and Virgin...I forsee a very long season. I also wonder if Virgin will race a full season, as Branson has not put too much money in that team. They lack funding for an entire season.

Skybird

03-16-10, 05:40 PM

Big pity for Vettel, but he showed his class when he fought so well with such an inferior car after the failure, getting the best out of what he still had, especially in the corners. Many other drivers would not have made fourth place in his seat. Compliments for Schumacher, who made a respectable comeback with sixth place, and, more important, drove without errors and constantly improved over the whole weekend and even during the race. He will be needed to take into account later in the season. In Bahrain, the Silver Arrows technically simply were not up to the speed standard set by Red Bull and Ferrari. They need to become faster.

Konovalov

03-17-10, 04:17 PM

The F1 procession begins. :down: Also 4th and 8th for my guys. Double bummer. :damn:

TarJak

03-25-10, 10:40 PM

Melbourne GP looking good! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsK28VQy73s

Konovalov

03-26-10, 03:41 AM

Melbourne GP looking good! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsK28VQy73s
Bit too sophisticated for me. I'd doubt that you would see those ladies at the Bathurst 1000. Then again I'm sure most guys would love to be served by these ladies on a 23-24 hour flight from LHR to SYD. :D

antikristuseke

03-26-10, 04:50 AM

Not a good start to the season, im going to miss this race aswell :S

TarJak

03-26-10, 02:12 PM

Bit too sophisticated for me. I'd doubt that you would see those ladies at the Bathurst 1000. Then again I'm sure most guys would love to be served by these ladies on a 23-24 hour flight from LHR to SYD. :D
:har::har::har: Yeh they are a bit more sophisticated than your usual grid girl, but if given the choice between a sophisticate and a slapper I know which way I'd go.:D

Jimbuna

03-26-10, 03:15 PM

:har::har::har: Yeh they are a bit more sophisticated than your usual grid girl, but if given the choice between a sophisticate and a slapper I know which way I'd go.:D

Let me guess :hmmm:

Australian, of dubious ancestry :hmmm:

deinitely the slapper http://www.spreadtheiris.com/images/smilies/smacka.gif

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4030/winkbigid2zj6.gif

TarJak

03-26-10, 11:20 PM

Looks like your Lewis Hamilton is keen to join the convict ranks: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/motorsport/silly-hamilton-sorry-after-being-caught-doing-burnouts-20100327-r3km.html:D

On a serious note, for an F1 star this is rather silly behaviour.:nope:

EDIT: Webber fastest in 3rd practise session. Hope he can keep that form through Qualifying.:up:

stabiz

03-27-10, 01:31 AM

Go Force India!

(Yes, I dont have a team to cheer for this year, so Sutil & Co are placeholders :) )

TarJak

03-27-10, 03:29 AM

@Stabiz LOL!

Webber just pipped by Vettel for Pole. Looking forward to watching the race tomorrow. Webber has a great chance of winning his home GP for once and I'd really like to see him do it this year. The RB cars are looking better each GP.

stabiz

03-27-10, 06:10 AM

Those Red Bulls are lethal yes, their achilles heel last year was the fragile Renault engine, so we will see. I have a suspicion that Alonso will pull it off again.

XabbaRus

03-27-10, 06:30 AM

I'm glad JB ou qualified LH.

I don't buy the statement that Lewis was a bit rattled after his run in with the law yesterday...

Jenson seems very calm..

TarJak

03-27-10, 07:24 AM

I'm glad JB ou qualified LH.

I don't buy the statement that Lewis was a bit rattled after his run in with the law yesterday...

Jenson seems very calm..
Lewis was probably more embarrassed than anything. Dunno how much that impacted his times.

stabiz

03-27-10, 09:24 AM

More:

BBC pundit David Coulthard has revealed that some in the paddock are questioning Lewis Hamilton's commitment in the midst of a rocky Aussie GP week. According to reports, while others arrived early in Melbourne, Hamilton took his time heading Down Under, stopping first in Los Angeles to spend some time with on-again girlfriend Nicole Scherzinger.
The McLaren driver then landed up in hot water with the Aussie police on Friday night when he was caught performing stunts in his loaned Mercedes road car, which was impounded.
His woes, though, weren't over as the Brit suffered a dismal Saturday afternoon, qualifying P11 for the Australian GP while his team-mate Jenson Button put his MP4-25 up into fourth place.
Hamilton's displays - both on and off the race track - this week have raised some eyebrows in the paddock with Coulthard admitting there are some concerns about the Brit, who also parted ways with his manager father earlier this year.
"Lewis jetted in quite late from LA; some people were questioning whether his commitment was there. His week, or should I say his few days, in Australia have not gone well," he told the BBC.
However, if that's the case then one has to wonder about Michael Schumacher and Heikki Kovalainen, who instead of getting a good night's rest on Thursday ahead of practice, attended a Lady Gaga concert.

Jimbuna

03-27-10, 09:43 AM

I'm looking for further improvement from Schumacher...he can only improve as the season progresses.

XabbaRus

03-27-10, 10:46 AM

Konovalov

03-27-10, 12:17 PM

Happy with the RBR getting the lockout on the front row of the grid. :rock:

Being a big Webber fan since his early open wheeler days back in Formula Ford over here in the UK, obviously I am hoping he can notch up win number three of his F1 career and special one at that being a home win. :yeah:

However I am also a fan of Seb Vettel. I think he is a great guy and a superb driver destined to win the world championship. So my heart says Mark for the win but my head says Seb. Alonso is in with a chance and forget the rest.

If I don't get my Red Bull drivers on the two top steps of the podium can I at least ask that we have an interesting race unlike that porcessional joke that was Bahrain.

TarJak

03-28-10, 02:08 AM

Not a great start for Webber. Massa through to 2nd, followed by some bad timing on his tire change and then a bit of a slide has meant he was back to about 8th. Hope he can get a few more places back and challenge at least for some points.

Jimbuna

03-28-10, 08:18 AM

Well done JB but a bit of a disater for MW and Red Bull :hmmm:

stabiz

03-28-10, 09:23 AM

What a race!

Konovalov

03-28-10, 10:28 AM

What a race!
What a disaster. A front row lockout and the best we could get was 9th. Vettel has missed the win twice now due to reliability issues. Meanwhile Webbo was hurt by having to pit the lap after Vettel and then from there he looked wild and erratic at times and I wasn't shocked to see him punt Hamilton off at the end as both were looking to jump Alonso. Kubica for me was drive of the day given the car he had.

Konovalov

03-28-10, 10:37 AM

Not a great start for Webber. .
To be fair to him he had a similar start to Alonso and those around him. Only Massa had a stormer of a start and blasted past Button, Alonso and Webber. So full credit to Massa who got the perfect balance of throttle off the line.

Almost forgot to add that this race was much better that that rubbish track at Bahrain. Plenty of passing although you could still see the dirty air problem with Alonso stuck behind Massa and then when Hamilton and Webber caught the Ferrari's at 1.5 sec a lap and then spent the next 8 plus laps stuck behind them. :damn::damn:

Does anyone think that Schumi is now under immense pressure after such a poor race? Gotta admit it was enjoyable watching him have to bang wheels with a slow Toro Rosso. :haha:

XabbaRus

03-28-10, 10:51 AM

Webber does have a habit of doing what he did. He does need to calm down a bit.

Glad JB won. Will help him in his challenge with Lewis psychologically.

TheBrauerHour

03-28-10, 01:28 PM

I thought it was a much better race than Bahrain. The early pit by Button I thought would be a mistake since the track was still wet in places. When he went off track on his first lap out from getting slicks, I was holding my breath. It all worked out in the end though.

Too bad for Seb Vettel. I hope he gets to the podium soon. Kubica did an outstanding job, and it is good to see a "2nd tier team" get on the podium.

Malaysia next week.

XabbaRus

03-28-10, 04:22 PM

JB calling the tyres as he did is a stroke of genius and I feel what seperates good from really good. Senna could do it, as could Prost and also Schumacher.

TarJak

03-28-10, 07:16 PM

Tactically JB's call turned out to be a great one, although when he spun after putting the slicks on I though maybe he'd gone too soon.

WB's performance was disappointing although he was charging hard there was no excuse for ramming into LH like that. At least this race held the interest from start to finish. There was plenty of action and some great driving skills on show. Hopefully we can see a few more like it this season.

Hitman

03-29-10, 12:26 PM

Do you think with Lewis Hamilton it is a case of too much too soon.

If you look at Alonso, Schumacher, Raikonnen and Button, they in various parts of their careers had rubbish cars on which to cut their teeth. Lewis didn't. He walked into the best car on the grid and almost won in his rookie year.

I think he is into the life style a lot. OK Button admitted the same with himself but I think that was more what moeny could bring, he had to drive rubbish cars until last year. I think psychologically Jenson might have the edge over Lewis.Well last year Lewis had a poor car with rubbish performance for most of the season, and nil chances of fighting for the championship, and despite that he fought in all the races as if his life went on that. I think his problem is of too good too young. Too much talent combined with arrogance -which feeds itself back in that huge talent- AND youth. The incident with the police shows it clearly, it's just youth and inmaturity combined with an explosive character. But he isn't in any way the first F1 driver to have similar trouble with police, IIRC the very own Jackie Stweart did something similar. Add to that, that his father is no longer at his side, and the coctel becomes explosive. Which is really sad. I hope he settles down and matures, when he does that, he might make history with capital letters because his talent is i-m-p-r-e-s-s-i-v-e (The overtaking maneuver on Rosberg is amazing, instant classic).

A fine example of how good and benefiting it is to swallow arrogance is now Fernando Alonso, who could have moaned a lot but instead showed himself delighted at the end of the race. He did a great come back from P 18 and did not enter a stupid fight with Massa. In any case he would never have been able to go past Kubica, so only few points lost there: In the end, his 4th position was good enough to stay in front of the championship, Ferrari was happy with the teamwork, and he showed clearly that he was much faster than Massa the whole race. Who would have thought it some years ago, when we would have seen him crying in the radio that Massa was obstructing him, requesting teamwork, bla, bla, bla...

Jenson has always had my sympathy, so now that Kimi is no longer here, I might indeed become a Jensen fan. With such great races, it's no wonder!

Konovalov

04-03-10, 04:38 AM

Mark on pole and Seb behind in third. :rock::rock::rock:

Come on RBR, it's time to transfer quali performance into race wins.

Can anyone figure out when and where the shots below of Webber were taken? To be fair not many clues from background as to location. So how about just the year which is easier to work out. I have added a second shot which may give a better clue to the location. :up:

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e323/BenKonovalov/Formula%201%20Webber/DSC_1014.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e323/BenKonovalov/Formula%201%20Webber/DSC_1047.jpg

stabiz

04-03-10, 10:16 AM

Resembles the pit entry at Silverstone in what looks like the 2007 car.

Konovalov

04-03-10, 10:25 AM

Resembles the pit entry at Silverstone in what looks like the 2007 car.
Correct on the track. :yep: It is indeed Silverstone at Luffields leading onto the pit straight. Not 2007 car though.

XabbaRus

04-03-10, 05:28 PM

Will the RBR hold it together at the end of the race? They tend to break.

TBH I've become less inclined toward Webber over the past year.

He has to convert drives into goodplaces or wins. I reckon Lewis has it on the money thay Mark will be out at the end of the year, however I think it won't be his decision.

Jimbuna

04-03-10, 07:55 PM

Hamilton can always boast he won a title. :yep:

TheBrauerHour

04-03-10, 08:52 PM

I am guessing 2008.

As for the qualifying, I hope the race is as exciting...but a bit less wet.

TarJak

04-04-10, 12:03 AM

You can almost guarantee some rain during the course of the race. KL gets it's daily downpour at about 4pm almost every day this time of year.

I'm also hopeing Webber can convert some good laptimes into a race win or at least a podium. If he can keep a cool head for the full race distance he might just pull it off.

EDIT: Well Vettel got a well deserved win with Webber opening the door to him on the first corner! MW stayed cool for a well deserved 2nd with Rosberg 3rd. All up not a bad race but the RB team was really unchallenged at the front from woah to go. Most of the interest came from pack behind them. Nice to see the rain staying away for the entirety as well although that may have put the cat among the pigeons in terms of placings. The standings are looking a bit more interesting now though.

Jimbuna

04-04-10, 07:29 AM

A good result for the Red Bulls :up:

stabiz

04-04-10, 08:59 AM

Solid race. It will not go down in the history books of awesomeness, but I dint nod off either. Nice to se Vettel get that win.:woot:

I dont understand why Lewis was not slapped for his zig-zagging though, its a clear rule that you can only change lane once while defending.

Konovalov

04-04-10, 01:20 PM

I am guessing 2008.
Yep 2008 at Silverstone 3 day in season testing which of course is now banned.

Great result for the boys occupying the top two steps of the podium. Total domination with pole, race win and fastest race lap shared between Seb and Mark. :yeah:

Now we go to China where RBR had it's first one two last year. :D

Konovalov

04-04-10, 01:23 PM

I dont understand why Lewis was not slapped for his zig-zagging though, its a clear rule that you can only change lane once while defending.
I think he was warned for it. The whole thing looked quite funny between Lewis and Petrov. Lewis must have moved from one side of the track to the other at least three or four times. :o

XabbaRus

04-04-10, 03:07 PM

I don't see what the big deal is. In fact it isn't a rule but an agreement as I understand it.

Hell it makes for the spectacle and isn't that what people want?

Also there is the argument in that he was trying to break the tow Petrov was getting and wasn't defending a line into the corner therefore not punishable.

TheBrauerHour

04-04-10, 09:55 PM

I thought he was trying to break the tow as well. I would have liked to see Petrov get by Lewis, but a penalty would be a bit much.

Great finish for Kubica and Sutil. I was so pleased to see some of the second tier teams being so racey. Poor luck for Alonso, He should be commended for driving so well without the engine breaking.

Konovalov

04-05-10, 11:02 AM

Well I never had a problem with the weaving. It wasn't in the braking zone for a start. Secondly they were the only two cars on that part of the track. Not sure how it can be deemed dangerous and worthy of a warning. What are you meant to do? Just sit there and take it up the backside while your opponent behind gets the tow and slips right past. So fair play to Lewis as far as i'm concerned. As I said, it was quite funny to watch and a little like GP2 which is no surprise as both drivers raced in GP2 in the past.

Nicolas

04-05-10, 07:43 PM

Jimbuna

04-05-10, 07:45 PM

Well whatever he was trying to achieve it worked :hmmm:

Konovalov

04-06-10, 02:07 PM

Hamilton funny doing that, but its against the rules. Most drivers think he should be penalized

Former Super Aguri driver Anthony Davidson told BBC radio: "I don't know what Lewis was doing, weaving all over the track. I think he thought he was playing a Playstation rather than real life." :)
Firstly it wasn't in the braking zone so I'm not sure which rules he broke. Do we want racing or not in F1?

Anthony Davidson would know all about driving on the playstation because he can't get a drive in F1.

Nicolas

04-06-10, 03:26 PM

No really, i dont know if it is a written rule, but seriously that is not legal, i want to watch good races of course, be sure Hamilton wont do this anymore.

I found this sorry for the long text:

Hamilton was given a black-and-white flag for this incident, but should he have been penalised further, or not at all?

Hamilton claims he was weaving to “break the tow”, but Renault are not happy. Team boss Eric Bouiller says:
“Very frankly, it is very clear in the regulations that you can have one change of direction, so when you do three in a row something is wrong.
“He got a warning for dangerous driving, but I am not sure it is enough. It is definitely clearly written in the regulations that you can not do any more than one direction change, and it is something you should not be doing.”
Eric Bouiller
In defence of Hamilton, if you look at the video above he swerved from side-to-side and Petrov followed each time. Hamilton doesn’t appear to be blocking an overtake from Petrov as it was the Brit making the move first. However, it would be very hard for the Russian to make an overtaking move while Hamilton was veering to each side of the track.
As Eric Boullier says, you are allowed 1 change of direction when attempting to block an overtake, and while Hamilton wasn’t necessarily trying to block an overtake, he was still weaving to try and break the slipstream. The real question in this case has to be therefore: how many times is a driver allowed to weave across the track to break the tow? Surely it should be the same as the allowed number to try to block an overtake.
I believe that Hamilton deserved a harsher penalty than what he got. Not only is attepting to break the tow dangerous, it spoils the racing by not letting the driver behind have a decent passing opportunity, and the ‘one change of direction’ rule has to be strictly enforced.

XabbaRus

04-06-10, 03:45 PM

Let them weave as much as they want as long as they are not endangering each other or other drivers.

There driving was very current GP2. Not surprising given they were in GP2.

It looked good.

HunterICX

04-16-10, 03:18 AM

Sebastien Buemi loses both front tires in the first free training on the circuit of China

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84-egMy9GTM

how bizarre, both just pop off like that. :o

HunterICX

Schroeder

04-16-10, 03:33 AM

I've never seen anything like that before.:o

XabbaRus

04-16-10, 04:07 AM

Yea, like a circus car....Red Bull and Torro Rosso both have had wheel failures...

Lucky it happened on the straight.

stabiz

04-16-10, 06:58 AM

:o What the ...?

Jimbuna

04-16-10, 08:34 AM

Incredible....had to be seen to be believed :o

Dowly

04-16-10, 08:34 AM

Whoa! :o

XabbaRus

04-16-10, 09:11 AM

Where is the red nose and silly shoes....di di dilli dilli di di dilli dilli....

Seriously it was like a clown's car.

Konovalov

04-17-10, 02:55 PM

Another front row lockout for the Red Bulls. :yeah: Hopefully this time Mark can get the jump on Seb into turn 1. Enjoyed hearing Christian Horners comment on the radio to Vettel after winning pole position. Put that in your pipe and smoke it Whitmarsh. :D

Meanwhile Schumi languishes back in 9th with a 1:35.646 on the grid having struggled just to make it into Q3. Contrast that with his younger countryman Rosberg who showed the Mercs true pace with a 1:34.923 for 4th on the grid. Schumi better hope that things start to turn around in this race and on the return to Europe. :o

Jimbuna

04-17-10, 07:12 PM

Don't write Schumi off so quickly...many have in the past and learned from it :hmmm:

stabiz

04-17-10, 08:58 PM

Yeah, I have an eery (?) feeling he will suddenly pounce.

Dowly

04-18-10, 02:08 AM

Hahaha, Alonso you idiot! :har:

TarJak

04-18-10, 03:20 AM

The rain looks like it is causing some problems for some!

Hitman

04-18-10, 04:15 AM

GO JENSON GO!!!! :yeah:

Keep shutting mouths :up:

The race in one headline: "And Britannia rules the waves" :salute:

stabiz

04-18-10, 04:18 AM

Good race. A total shambles for Red Bull, damage limitation for Alonso, a great tactical victory for Button and a painful-to-watch performance from Der Rainmeister.

Oh, and who knows why Hamilton was not slapped with a drive through for the "safe release" in the pits.

Konovalov

04-18-10, 04:27 AM

Disaster for Red Bull. :damn:

Brilliant from Button and indeed the whole team with the one two result. Guessing Lewis will might be taking a grid penalty into the next race and Vettel might also get a little penalty for shaping to push Hamilton further into the pit area.

All in all a crazy and exciting race to watch. Those inters really didin't last long at all for anyone. Webber managed to jump from 12th to 7th by pitting early and put in a few fast laps on the inters to gain him those 5 positions but then as they were so shot Petrov got him at the end.

Hitman

04-18-10, 04:27 AM

Oh, and who knows why Hamilton was not slapped with a drive through for the "safe release" in the pits. Probably the same guy who knows why Hammy wasn't either slapped for taking Vettel out during caution lap behind the Pace car, or for crossing the full track and part of the gravel to enter the pits during caution lap, etc. :hmmm:

AFAIK the inicident would be investigated after the race. This is really the stewards again doing strange things, as no penaly AFTER the race can match the results of being given duirng the same race. It's bad for the driver -who might plan a better strategy- bad for the rivals, -who could have benefitted from going pass him- and bad for the spectators, because you shut off the TV without really knowing the final result.

stabiz

04-18-10, 06:43 AM

Yeah, I agree. (But wasnt it Webber who was pushed off?)

Jimbuna

04-18-10, 07:12 AM

GO JENSON GO!!!! :yeah:

Keep shutting mouths :up:

The race in one headline: "And Britannia rules the waves" :salute:

http://imgcash6.imageshack.us/img91/5841/greatbritaincj6.gif ....and onward next to Spain :DL

HunterICX

04-18-10, 10:00 AM

Oh, and who knows why Hamilton was not slapped with a drive through for the "safe release" in the pits.

Honestly, I loved that...and you think he should be slapped for it?

let them race, instead of punishing them for it.

HunterICX

Schroeder

04-18-10, 10:25 AM

Honestly, I loved that...and you think he should be slapped for it?

let them race, instead of punishing them for it.

HunterICX

The problem is if they had collided within the pit lane they could have easily killed some mechanics, reporters etc.:dead:

TheBrauerHour

04-18-10, 11:50 AM

I think over the last couple of weeks Hamilton is crossing the line between aggressive and reckless. He showed some brilliant moves on the track but the danger he put others in with his pitlane stunt was a bit too much. I realize it wasn't all his fault, but if you look at the last few weeks his name does keep coming up.

Someone needs to have a sitdown with him in the least.

Great drive for Jenson though. Nice to see a driver who does it the right way get the spotlight on that team.

Oh and nice result for Kubica and Petrov. Renault looks pretty impressive.

XabbaRus

04-18-10, 04:38 PM

They both got slapped with a warning. Lewis for trying to race in the pits and Vettel for moving over and pushing Lewis towards the garages, which IMO was the more stupid and blatant.

Alonso dived infront of Massa when they both pitted and they didn't do him for that.

I though think it made great racing and am glad the FIA isn't handing out punishments. Neither Vettel or Hamilton gained and advantage from it.

Red Bull keep shooting themselves in the foot. They do have the out and out fastest car for qualifying but in race pace unless they get off from the front they aren't so great. To be honest on the couple of occasions that Red Bull cars have been behind the pack they haven't impressed.

Vettel has only won from the front row, this season and last. I don't rate him at the moment as a great overtaker unlike Hamilton in every race. Webber I'm afraid is in his last season. He is getting blown away by Vettel.

Hitman

04-21-10, 12:41 PM

Alonso dived infront of Massa when they both pitted and they didn't do him for that.

Apparently since the pits beging later -white line where everyone brakes hard and puts the speed limiter- the rest is considered still part of the track, and unlike the exit, there's no rule preventing from crossing the white line. It was however in my opinion a move in very bad taste, and also potentially dangerous, as that part of the track is not designed for wheel to wheel action. A warning also would have been in order, IMHO.

stabiz

04-21-10, 01:36 PM

Hamilton also did that and received no warning. I guess he should be warned twice then?

Konovalov

05-09-10, 11:15 AM

Fantastic result for my man Webbo. :rock::rock::rock:

Absolutely poo pooed all over the field. Faultless driving all weekend and blew away his fancied young teamate Vettel. A shame he didn't get the hat-trick of pole, race win and fastest lap having Hamilton pinched the fastest lap honours late in the race. Webbo deserved it and I reckon RBR could have taken fastest lap in the race if they wanted to. Watching the F1 live timing on the laptop I lost count just how many fastest laps Mark racked up. I counted at least ten or eleven compared to Alonso, Hamilton, and Vettel who had about five or six between them. Webber also put in some blazing fast in and out laps during his single pit stop and for a change the pit stop itself was without a hitch. All round great result for RBR despite the problems suffered by Seb.

Lewis I thought also drove a great race to be robbed by a tyre/wheel failure. Alonso again showed up Massa while Rosberg must be feeling that Mercedes has now become team Schumi. I reckon Rossberg can now kiss his season goodbye thanks to fat Norbert and Ross Brawn. :down:

Roll on Monaco and my tip is that RBR will have the F duct implemented for Turkey along with a host of other developments. Credit to RBR that they can match Ferrari and McLaren in the development wars. There are no longer just two big teams in F1.

I'm going to have a virtual coldi for Mark now. He was just bloody awesome and as Seb said, Mark was in a league of his own. :()1:

Jimbuna

05-09-10, 12:02 PM

Good race, well done Webber :up:

Best race yet for Schumacher....I should imagine Button will be disappointed.

Schroeder

05-09-10, 12:12 PM

I fell asleep while watching it.....:yawn:

Konovalov

05-09-10, 12:48 PM

I fell asleep while watching it.....:yawn:
Then you missed some great fast driving from Hamilton, Webber, and Alonso. Also some nice foxy defensive driving from Schumi against Button.

Also hats off to Webber for doing an interview just before the race. Not many drivers on pole position do that and I guess there was quite a bit of pressure on him given firstly that no one this year had won from pole until today and also that the person on pole has won here roughly 9 out of the last 10 times I think. Tough place to pass Catalunya. Also Webber chucked his helmet into the crowd after the race. Nice touch in a form of motorsport which doesn't allow the fans to get as close as they should be allowed. Webber is one of a few drivers who are very conscious giving back to the fans. :up:

Konovalov

05-15-10, 09:23 AM

Mark does it again with a stunning lap at Monaco to beat Kubica to pole position by 3 tenths of a second and blew away finger boy Seb by 4 tenths. Awesome. :yeah:

Great driving from Kubica also. I really thought that he was going to get pole.

Now for Sunday. Clean start into first right hander then up the hill and away. :yep:

Did anyone see the Schumi and Rosberg interviews. It's all getting nasty in the Merc garage and credit to Rosberg he isn't taking a backward step with the old man Schumi. Fireworks for the rest of the year between those two. ;)

TarJak

05-15-10, 06:28 PM

Monaco being the tight twisty circuit it is, means that the race to the first corner will be crucial. If the RB cars stay relaible, then whoever gets there first will win it.

Lord_magerius

05-15-10, 06:46 PM

That's true Tarjak, I'm looking forward to the start though, seeing who has the nerves to brake late going into that first corner. After that it'll be pretty boring I think though.

Jimbuna

05-15-10, 07:21 PM

Webber should win.

Hitman

05-16-10, 09:34 AM

And he did it!

Congratulations Mark, this seems to be going to be your year! :woot: He's taking the best out of him, and what a class show. Leaving Vettel so far behind on the same car both in BCN and here is no easy feat.

Finally another australian will be champ? :up:

Congrats also to Kubica, what a load of talent that guy has. Only his start on the dirty side has deprived him of 2nd place.

A fantastic race for Alonso also, what a strategy!

In all, a pretty interetsing Monaco GP to watch. :sunny:

Jimbuna

05-16-10, 09:52 AM

I wouldn't count out Button just yet.

He'll be devastated at not finishing in the points.

Konovalov

05-16-10, 11:15 AM

Webbo, Webbo, Webbo. :rock:

Awesome drive. Again faultless all weekend and blowing away the fancied young Vettel. Take out the four safety cars and Mark would have won Monaco by at least 30 seconds. He had a decent start but his restarts after the safety car were just flawless every time and gave Vettel not even a sniff.

Webber leads the championship after six races while RBR streak from third to first in the constructors. :yeah:

Newey has done a great job with the RB6. The RB5 was not a good car at Monaco last year. The RB6 is proving to be strong across all types of tracks. And the car may have the F duct at Turkey which will help to negate some of the straight line speed disadvantage that they have been suffering.

Hitman

05-16-10, 12:47 PM

Schumi now demoted with a 20s penalty, everyone behind him climbs a place for points :D or more points. Not a big difference for Alonso, but rounds up his unbelievable recover and damage limitation. Had he not smashed his car on the wall, he could have probably looked at a 3rd place and the provisional leadership of the championship ... until Turkey, where probably Webber is going to hit with the hammer on the table and definately emerge as solid championship leader. I would love to see either Webber or Button win the championship, but I certainly don't like that it all is done with such an insulting technical superiority. Like it happened to Button last year, havinga much superior car tends to hide how good the driver is, and reduces his merits. Webber has enough merits to be a deserved champion, let's hope he can show them rightfully above the RB6 :up:

TarJak

05-16-10, 06:04 PM

Well done MW! Good interesting race too. Plenty of drama and action and some excellent stratgic battles across the paddock. Nice to see that one driver/car combo is not completely dominant so far this season with that combo streaking to an unbeatable lead in championship.

I do hope Webber wins this years champinship but I also hope that the race to the finish is close.

Jimbuna

05-16-10, 07:12 PM

...and he had of been in the Aussie 20 twenty team for the final today :DL

More of that tomorrow :03:

TarJak

05-16-10, 09:49 PM

...and he had of been in the Aussie 20 twenty team for the final today :DL

More of that tomorrow :03:OK well done to the Poms on playing 20 overs of mediocre bowling really well.:O:

XabbaRus

05-30-10, 09:14 AM

Schroeder

05-30-10, 10:21 AM

In an interview with a German TV channel Vettel said that he lost his car on the brake and that caused him to hit Webber.
I don't know whether that's true or the team ordered him to say that.
Sure thing though it was definitely not Webber's fault.:shifty:

XabbaRus

05-30-10, 10:29 AM

Jimbuna

05-30-10, 11:00 AM

Konovalov

05-30-10, 06:18 PM

Cracking Turkish GP

Well done Lewis and Jenson....best overtake of the day although Lewis got the place back.

Idiot of the Day : Vettel. Webber didn't have to move out the way. He'd left the door open, Vettle should not have jinked right.

Jenson I think has proven that in a straight dry race he can keep up with and take Lewis.

Congrats to both though.
Yep cracking Turkish GP. My only regret apart from Mark being taken out by "Sebastion finger boy can't make a clean pass Vettel", is that I went to last years event. There wasn't a great deal of action anywhere let alone the turn 9 stand where we viewed the race. This year was much better and glad to see a proper shootout now between the Red Bulls and the Maccas.

The Macs look like they had the pace although Webber managed to hold off Hamilton despite sustained preesure in the first stint of 17 laps. Can't say the same for Seb who let Hamilton past after only a few corners.

And yes idiot of the day was definately Vettel although Christian Horner and RBR advisor Helmut Marko came a close second with their churlish attempts to defend Vettel and the cuddling on the pit wall was just a joke. Hand the kid a kleenex instead.

I would have been happy to watch Mark and Lewis do battle all day. Anyway I can be happy that Mark is now still leading the champ and has increased his lead while his teamate gets zero points and a shoulder to cry on.

Konovalov

05-30-10, 06:54 PM

They were still quite a way away from the braking zone as Webber has said on the BBC. After listening to what has been said on the BBC F1 programme there is a definite feeling that within RBR Vettel is the blue eyed boy and Mark has upset the apple cart with his blistering pace in the last 3 races including this one. Apparently Horner is defending Vettel, and the way they were hugging him suggests this. I of course would like to see Jenson retain his title and Mclaren take the WCC, however I think Webber is alright and hope he finishes ahead of Vettel this year if he doesn't take the WDC.
Agree again with what you have said. I fully agree with what Martin Brundle said at the time of the accident during the race, "I'm giving that 100% Vettel's fault and he's so lucky he didn't wipe Mark Webber out."

Also did anyone notice Vettel pulling the same crazy swiping move to the right on Hamilton on the same part of the track? Lewis was interviewed on the BBC F1 forum after the race (35min in on the player).

He was asked a question by Eddie Jordan, "Were you at all surprised by the move that Vettel pulled on you?"

Lewis replied " I was very very surprised. Travelling at those kind of speeds you have to be sensible. You probably heard it on my radio, I said that it was a dangerous move because I was trying to go down the outside of him, and as I was alongside he erratically turned towards me and considering the next corner is a left hander, there was no reason to turn right. And he did the same thing with Mark and unfortunately took himself out but it was a little unfortunate for Mark because he drove a great race. He's done great for the last few races and is performing well, qualified pole, but I'm glad that he was able to finnish."

Come to think of it didn't Vettel also turn into Lewis in the pits when they were released at simialr times? They wound up driving alongside each other in the pits and I'm sure Seb swerved at Hamilton which was pretty dangerous not because of the speed but by virtue that it was in the pits with load of unprotected pit crew and people about.

Mark for the title and he sticks it to RBR and takes the number 1 elsewhere. :rock::rock:

antikristuseke

05-31-10, 12:26 AM

It was a racig incident that was unfrtunate, but personally i see much more fault landing on webber in this one. I have reviewed the footage tens of times from all the angles i have managed to dig up. Neither driver made any jerky movements there, webber simply did not leave any space, the two had contact and that was that.

Schroeder

05-31-10, 03:18 AM

After rewatching it a couple of times I'm also not that convinced any more that it was a 100% Vettel mistake. He had past Webber so he could have left a little space for him. But it's still a 70%Vettel /30%Webber thing in my opinion.

TarJak

05-31-10, 06:02 AM

Webber had no need to give anyone trying to pass him space. Purely Vettel getting over eager to pass IMHO. Glad to see him shunted and Webber continue to a podium place and maintain the Championship lead.

HunterICX

05-31-10, 06:19 AM

Honestly I don't really care whois to blame, I see it as a racing incident nothing more...as Webber said ''it could happen to anyone''

I like Vettel for the risk he dares to take, because if all where tactical drivers who don't take chances it would be a boring sport to watch.

must say not only Vettel made contact with other drivers, the one at start had a nice touché too resulting in 1 losing a part of his nose and the other a punctured tire and the overtaking of Button by Hamilton after start had a contact moment well.

nice race, nice overtakes and a good ending.

that no-refueling rule brought back more interesting races :yeah:

HunterICX

Konovalov

05-31-10, 06:30 AM

webber simply did not leave any space, the two had contact and that was that.
Webber left a car width and a bit of space on the dirty left side of the track. That is racing hard but fair. Vettel chose to go there rather than on the outside where there was more room. Vettel then was half a car length in front and turned right into Webber by easing to the right. At that high speed and being that close to each other how did he expect Webber to react in time. As Alexandrer Wurtz said to paraphrase, "did Vettel expect Mark to just teleport to somewhere else like Spock in Star Trek?"

It is also important to note that all of this was well before the braking zone and just before the 150m marker on the track. The contact happened between the 200m and 150m marker which are on the right hand side of the track before the left hander. Watch the video closely and you can see that.

Previously Hamilton had a go at Vettel on the same part of the track but on that occassion Hamilton chose to go on the other right hand side. Again Vettel swerved to the right and attempted to scare Hamilton off the track. Again in the pits of a previous race when Vettel and Hamilton were side by side Vettel again swerved to the right at Hamilton. That's not racing. That's just dangerous and plain dirty.

So yes a racing incident but not exactly the best racecraft from Vettel. If you listen to most the F1 pundits, journalists, and racing public it's pretty clear that an overwhelming majority feel Vettel was at fault. The pressure has ratcheted up on Vettel over the last few races where he has been outqualified and outraced by his teamate. Another DNF from Vettel while trying to pass and zero points. Just like Melbourne last year where he collided with Kubica.

Konovalov

05-31-10, 06:54 AM

While Vettel doesn't come out of this great it is the RBR team management that come out of it worse. Horner and Marko are a joke:

http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/05/31/the-real-fking-disaster/

In a previous post we examined the lap times involved and it was clear that Vettel was suddenly able to speed up in relation to Webber. Team boss Christian Horner has now confirmed that the drivers did have different engine settings – something he initially denied. And “denied” is an important word. He did not say that he thought they were on the same setting. He said that they definitely were. Later he recanted on that. Explaining why Horner and Red Bull representative Helmut Marko attacked Webber after the race is going to be difficult to explain.

And

The problem now is that everyone in the F1 paddock thinks that the Red Bull camp wants Vettel to be World Champion and the whole business has created the ironic situation of Webber being 15 points ahead. To make matters worse the two McLaren drivers are now between the two Red Bull drivers and so trying to help Vettel will be watched for and could open the way for one of the McLaren men to steal the title – which would not be smart at all.

Good blog highlighting the inexperienced and immature RBR management that could help one of the Macca drivers to win the drivers title and possibly the constructors.

XabbaRus

05-31-10, 10:17 AM

Konovalov

05-31-10, 12:41 PM

I have watched the replays over and over and still think 100% Vettels fault.

Sure Webber has had his moments, ie Australia, but that was an ill timed lunge up the inside and out braked himself.

Watching Vettel he twitches right. Webber was not obliged under any circumstances to give. It was miles before the braking zone. I'm sure had Vettel stayed straight Webber would have backed off a la Hamilton and him later on.
Yep. :yep: And to Webber's credit he did admit in a BBC interviw prior to the Turkey race that his dodgy move on Lewis in Melbourne was 30/70 with the 30 being him or something like that.

Good piece by Martin Brundle today about RBR management and the Vettel move calling it all exactly as it is from someone who has raced in F1 for 12 years over 150 races: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8714410.stm

Konovalov

06-12-10, 04:10 PM

Hamilton does the business on his last run to secure pole position. Well done Lewis and blitzes Button.

Another great day for Webber as he does his much fancied young teamate. Now leads Vettel in quali 5-3 and continues to show the speed he has. :rock:

Schumi didn't even make it in to Q3.

Hamilton for the win, Webber 2nd and Alonso to complete the podium hopefully.

Jimbuna

06-12-10, 04:27 PM

antikristuseke

06-13-10, 08:53 AM

Alonso would be better in the podium with this Ferrari rather than on it ;)

Jimbuna

06-13-10, 02:11 PM

Well done to Lewis and Jenson in the Mclaren team....a fine one two :yeah:

XabbaRus

06-13-10, 04:47 PM

Interesting race.

Once Jenson got past Alsono I just turned it off as I couldn't bear to watch.

Was worried Jenson would get overtaken by Alonso.

I think McLaren have closed the gap with RBR. We will see at Silverstone though.

XabbaRus

06-19-10, 04:20 AM

This is so funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zf40OzfwOo

Schroeder

06-19-10, 04:36 AM

Cool.:D

Jimbuna

06-19-10, 10:21 AM

Crackin ad :yeah:

Lewis should have done something with his hair before they started filming :DL

XabbaRus

06-19-10, 12:21 PM

It actually looks quite natural and not set up. They probably knew the team were going to walk off but I bet they did spend hours putting it together.

Dowly

06-19-10, 12:22 PM

It actually looks quite natural and not set up. They probably knew the team were going to walk off but I bet they did spend hours putting it together.

Yeh, looks pretty natural. Tho, would've loved if in the end the whole car would've just come apart. :DL

Lionclaw

06-20-10, 01:43 AM

This is so funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zf40OzfwOo

:DL

Love the ending, <odd sound as they push the car> "It works." :haha:

Hitman

06-27-10, 09:40 AM

Well, this has really been too much ... it is obvious how Lewis "Cheatington" will go into history, like Schumacher, as a driver whose talent made it unnecessary to cheat and yet he did. The pace car incident in Valencia has been one of the darkest days in Britain's sports history. What happened to the good old tough and fair british drivers like Mansell, who won like gentlemen on the track? Lewis should have lost his position to Alonso in the pits (Nose wing change) and have finished 10th after him, or 9th if managing to overtake the Ferrari. But in any case, he should have finished behind the true, british gentleman driver Jenson Button, who would be now leading the championship.

What happened today is shameful, disgusting and extremely unfair. Again, like with the famous crane incindent and many other similar situations, Lewis bends the rules and wins by that. Now the FIA will amend the rules and ensure that anyone overtaking the safety car will not get more benefit than from respecting the rules ... AFTER the harm is done, and Cheatington has benefitted from it. Hearing him say in the press conference "I don't remember much about it" -after breaking to slow down the followers, and then accelerating to pass the safety car "in extremis" was one of the low -points of Cheatington's career, unless he manages to outdo himself- Which wouldn't amaze me. Go on Lewis, Schumi threw a deserved champion of the track once and cheated to win ... you can beat him.

:nope:

Jimbuna

06-27-10, 11:44 AM

I take it your not too keen on Hamilton then? :DL

Lord_magerius

06-27-10, 11:50 AM

Of course not, he's spanish :DL

MGR1

06-27-10, 11:52 AM

I'd say that he and the rest of Spain would be a lot happier if Hamilton wasn't in Formula 1.:03:

Hamilton made a very stupid mistake for not erring on the side of caution with the Safety Car coming out of the Pit-Lane.

What made it even more maddening for Alonso was that Hamilton's drive-thru penalty didn't even cost him a place as Kobayashi, who was then in third, was so far behind.

Of course, Kobayashi passing Alonso on the 2nd to last lap wouldn't have improved the latter's mood, either.

Button may be a gentleman, but even Stirling Moss thinks he's too nice to be a proper World Champion - a selfish b****r like Hamilton probably has that extra drive to be a multiple winner like Schumi.

Speaking of the latter, he shouldn't have come back - he's not the driver he once was.

Mike.

Hitman

06-27-10, 12:39 PM

Of course not, he's spanish :DLYup, but I'm no Alonso fan. I was Kimi Raikkonen fan until he left F1, and now I am a Jenson Button fan. I respect Cheatington for his talent, and reckon he is the fastest guy on the grid, as well as enjoy his racing moves, but I really hate seeing cheating, be it Lewis or anyone else. In this case, this could be a championship worth cheat, and we will only know at the end of the year. But consider the case: Had Lewis and Alonso entered the pit at the same time, Alonso would have passed Lewis in the boxes (Faster stop, no need toc hange nosecone) and that would have ensured that Lewis would have ended far behind Button. So Jenson would have gotten 2nd place easily and would be leading teh championship clearly now.

The bottom message of this all is sad: It pays off to cheat :nope:

stabiz

06-27-10, 08:27 PM

Yes, that was pathetic. Almost as bad as the track and the race itself.

TarJak

06-27-10, 09:16 PM

Lots of disappointment all round except for Vettel. Webber's accident looked nasty but glad he was OK. A testament to the safety of the cars now. Webber does seem prone to these brain farts now and then that cost him races.

Captain Vlad

07-02-10, 09:01 PM

Ya' know, watching F1 (this is the first season I'm able to watch all the races, if I want) has made me suddenly grateful for the mute button and thankful for the fact that I don't have to read long articles about how Alonso was 'robbed' etc. etc.

The griping about Webber screwing up and taking himself and Kovalinen (sp) out of the race was bad enough, and then after the race...all this.

How do long time F1 fans put up with all the whining? Seriously, tell me, I think I need to develop the skill.:DL

HunterICX

07-03-10, 03:42 AM

How do long time F1 fans put up with all the whining? Seriously, tell me, I think I need to develop the skill.:DL

We Ignore it, simple as that :haha:

One of the channels I recieve with the satalite is a Austrian channel who regulary broadcasts these Formula 1 races from the 80's, you'll see real men drive real cars and far less Bullsh!t by FIA.
just awesome to see those races :yeah:

HunterICX

Captain Vlad

07-03-10, 01:40 PM

We Ignore it, simple as that :haha:

Gotcha.

One of the channels I recieve with the satalite is a Austrian channel who regulary broadcasts these Formula 1 races from the 80's, you'll see real men drive real cars and far less Bullsh!t by FIA.
just awesome to see those races :yeah:

I've watched more of the older races than I have this season, I think, though I've never got to sit and watch the entire 1976 season or anything. Maybe I should.:03:

papa_smurf

07-05-10, 10:46 AM

Not sure if anyone has already posted webbers crash, but here it is...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8766194.stm

This just shows how safe F1 is, but notice the tantrum webber has throwing out his steering wheel.

XabbaRus

07-07-10, 02:46 PM

Shame Button didn't get in second.

I was reading on the BBC that apparently when the safety car came out if Hamilton hadn't hesitated and driven straight on it would have been ok as the SC was still behind the line.

I can see how Alonso is upset. Anyway I really want Button to win it. He might not have the outrioght 1 lap pace of Hamilton, but he has the race pace and the race craft to beat him. He set fastest lap in Valencia after all. He is also a good overtaker which some wouldn't have you believe. Just look at Brasil last year. I was surprised he didn't take Kobyashi out earlier but then again Valenica is rubbish for overtaking and having remembered his eralier tussles with Koba he didn't want to get himself taken out of the race.

Root for Button first and if he doesn't win it I'd like to see the title go to Mark Webber.

Konovalov

07-07-10, 03:07 PM

See you at Silverstone guys on Saturday. Only going for qaulifying this year to get my fill of up close and personal F1 action. :yeah:

Waming up for Silverstone by having Friday off work to be one of a few who will have a tour of the private Williams F1 Grand Prix Collection at Grove. No video allowed but I will take my DSLR to capture the afternoon. :D

Go Webber, Hamilton, and Button. :rock:

Speaking of Hamo and Jense not sure if this video has been posted yet. Another in the Macca series it seems of vids staring the two. This one is better than when they try to put the car together just because it stars the MP4 of Senna. Just awesome. :|\\

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tQCXE7DDuc

XabbaRus

07-07-10, 03:13 PM

Konovalov, I may be in Spain but I can still brig you for making everyone jealous....

:)

Hitman

07-07-10, 03:31 PM

How do long time F1 fans put up with all the whining? Seriously, tell me, I think I need to develop the skill.:DL

We survive thanks to satellite broadcasting CART (Now Indy) and sometimes NASCAR :|\\

Shame Button didn't get in second.

Yeah, that's the point everyone seems to have missed!!!

Go Jense, get the Silverstone Trophy home :yeah:

Konovalov

07-07-10, 04:19 PM

Konovalov, I may be in Spain but I can still brig you for making everyone jealous....

:)
Lol. Well at least Spain won to proceed to their first final tonight otherwise it would have been a miserable night where you are. :woot:Hope you took plenty of shorts and t-shirts. I heard that it is stinking hot over there in Spain right now. :sunny:

And here is the link I forgot to post earlier of the Macca tour: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tQCXE7DDuc

Schroeder

07-11-10, 09:25 AM

Nice race and a great victory for Webber.:yeah:
I really don't get why he is regarded as the number two driver by the Red Bull officials. I think Red Bull has two number one drivers.:shifty:

Konovalov

07-11-10, 10:28 AM

Great win from Webber and also a fantastic drive from Hamilton who drove the wheels of his car again which kept Mark honest. Aussie grit does it again with win number 3. :yeah: And being at Silverstone for qualifying yesterday was fantastic.

RBR management continue to shoot themselves in the foot. Horner didn't show much excitement over the radio in congratulating Mark for the win. Contrast that to the last race with Vettel's win. Not to mention the poor handling of the front wing situation yesterday. :down:

And great day for Williams with both cars in the points. I'm sure the guys at Grove would be really happy today. Will post some photos of my Williams F1 museum tour from Friday. The largest private collection of F1 cars in the world and I got to touch Senna's Williams FW15D car. Also got to plant my behind in Ralph Scumacher and Jenson Button's FW22 2000 car. :D

Schroeder

07-11-10, 01:21 PM

RBR management continue to shoot themselves in the foot. Horner didn't show much excitement over the radio in congratulating Mark for the win. Contrast that to the last race with Vettel's win. Not to mention the poor handling of the front wing situation yesterday. :down:

Yeah, noticed that too.:down:
It really starts to p*ss me off....and I'm German.....

XabbaRus

07-11-10, 03:12 PM

Tell you what I wish someone would cut Vettels index finger off.

Does it do anyone elses nut that he has to stick it in the air all the time when he gets pole?

How many times has he converted pole to a win.

Also correct me if I'm wrong but while driving for RBR has he ever won a race from anywhere but pole?

I hope Jenson however turns his wick up a bit more. He needs to start getting ahead of LH.

Konovalov

07-11-10, 05:14 PM

Tell you what I wish someone would cut Vettels index finger off.

Does it do anyone elses nut that he has to stick it in the air all the time when he gets pole?
Yes, every time. :damn: Hence why he has earn't the nickname Finger Boy. I am just sick of it. We know he is on pole. The occassional fist pump would make a nice change. Quite frankly his finger waving has become as tiresome as Christian Horner's constant jibes at Eddie Jordan over his choice of shirt and attire.

How many times has he converted pole to a win.
This season only the once and that was in the last race in Valencia.

Also correct me if I'm wrong but while driving for RBR has he ever won a race from anywhere but pole?
Again yes and only the once which was in Malaysia. I remember that well because my man Webber was on pole, left the door open, couldn't see Seb in his mirrors and Vettel snuck down the inside. End of race then and there and had to settle for 2nd behind Finger Boy.

Vettel has been on pole 5 times this season to Webber's four. Vettel has won two races while Webber has won three. To Vettel's credit he did manage to come through the field today thanks to the safety car otherwise he would have been no chance of even a point. He finally made passes on other cars although he also barged Sutil off the track to finnish 7th.

Jimbuna

07-13-10, 08:16 AM

Tell you what I wish someone would cut Vettels index finger off.

Does it do anyone elses nut that he has to stick it in the air all the time when he gets pole?

I never put that much significance to it....but I will now :DL

Jimbuna

07-25-10, 01:38 PM

Well pole position tday didn't help Vettel, he finished third.

Congratulats to Alonso and Massa in the Ferrari for first and second.

Hamilton in fourth and Button in fifth did enough to maintain the first and second positions in the drivers table and McLaren top of the constructors table.

Lionclaw

07-25-10, 02:58 PM

Ferrari fined, referred to WMSC [autosport.com] (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85552)

Skybird

07-25-10, 03:39 PM

Dowly

07-25-10, 05:52 PM

Alonso had been pushing Massa hard for several laps and was heard saying on the team radio, "This is ridiculous."

Boooo hoooo!! :nope:

Konovalov

07-25-10, 06:10 PM

Why having rules if violation of rules gets punished so mildly? 100.000 bucks a team like Ferrari pays from the petty cash.

The points for both drivers and for the team should be nullified - that is the only reasonable sentence possible.

It's better to have no rules than to claim some rules - and then not enforcing them with determination. that undermines the authority and the reputation of the rulemaker. On the other hand - can there be anything more ruined in FIA's reputation and authority?

Ferrari would be willing to pay for every point it gains in the season a 100.000 dollar fee. So where is the deterrence?

i think the rule on prhibiting team orders, should be abandoned. But as long as the rule stands, you have to enforce it, for reason's sake. Else rules do not make sense.
Exactly to every single word you have said. Forget the fine and take all the contructors points away for this race. As Ferrari keep saying that it is all about the team so take their points away. And Alonso needs to stop bitching and moaning ("This is ridiculous" comment today) and waving his hand out of the car every time he thinks someone in front of him is slowing him down. I want to see racing. Massa had equal pace of Alonso through out the race. He had track position number 1. The Red Bull of Vettel was no threat despite the rubbish that the Ferrari PR guys were spouting. Massa deserved the win today but instead he bent over and took it from behind. It wasn't for the team, it was for Alonso. What a joke. :down:

Schroeder

07-26-10, 04:40 AM

This already sucked back in the days when Schumi's team-mates had to let him through.:down:

papa_smurf

07-26-10, 04:48 AM

Ferrari - dirty cheating oiks. Thought these days were behind F1, but then again:nope:

(p.s for those in the UK, Top Gear last night showed a tribute to the greatest F1 driver ever - Aryton Senna. Catch it again on the BBC's iPlayer)

Jimbuna

07-26-10, 05:49 AM

STEED

07-26-10, 09:48 AM

Once again people, Ferrari has shown us they have the FIA by the balls.

Get off your ass FIA and do something right for a bloody change.

HunterICX

07-26-10, 09:50 AM

^
Steed, your not helping by writing in Ferrari Red color...does Ferrari got you by the balls too? :O:

HunterICX

STEED

07-26-10, 09:51 AM

^
Steed, your not helping by writing in Ferrari Red color...does Ferrari got you by the balls too? :O:

HunterICX

ARE NUTS! :rotfl2:

Jimbuna

07-26-10, 11:26 AM

He didn't say or mean nuts...he said balls :DL

Dowly

07-26-10, 11:51 AM

http://www.purple-twinkie.com/images/odd/balls000.jpg

Schroeder

07-26-10, 12:04 PM

http://www.purple-twinkie.com/images/odd/balls000.jpg
Your girlfriend Dowly?:O:

Dowly

07-26-10, 12:07 PM

Your girlfriend Dowly?:O:

Was, then I learned that squirrels don't have "storage bags". http://images.dmusic.com/v7/emoticons/puke.gif

Jimbuna

07-26-10, 01:41 PM

Was, then I learned that squirrels don't have "storage bags". http://images.dmusic.com/v7/emoticons/puke.gif

Nowhere to hide the evidence then :O:

Flaxpants

07-27-10, 04:54 AM

I think this whole banning of team orders is problematic. First of all, I agree that Ferrari should be punished- they broke the rules as they stand, and I agree that someone winning a race, any race, by merit of being 'let through' makes somewhat of a mockery of the victory. Massa should have won the race. However, I fail to see how you can abolish 'team orders' in Formula 1, it is not that kind of environment. When you look at the clinical, rigid commercial environment that these teams operate in, with huge budgets of other peoples money, you can hardly imagine them saying to their drivers- "right, she's all set, just get out there and leather the opposition, including your team mate". It is inevitable that they will have a more measured, and arguably more conservative approach to racing strategy.
Unfortunately, Sunday was a perfect example of how the money has compromised the racing.
What galled me most about it was the circumstances under which it happened. If for example Vettel had been quicker and was closing down the Ferraris fast enough to pass both of them and win the race, then I would have probably given the same team order as they did to allow Alonso a chance to get away, to hang onto any chance of victory for the team. What happened on Sunday however, felt more like someone stealing a kids christmas present from them and then handing it to the spoiled brat who already has everything.
I don't know what the answer is to this one. The team is a team, the team-mates are generally arch enemies. How do you resolve that one?

TarJak

07-28-10, 01:40 AM

I agree that it is is very difficult to police because depending on circumstances teams may compromise the "2nd" driver's performances somehow outside of the blatant flouting of the rules by Ferrari.

That said I don't have a problem with team orders being banned as like any rule the teams will find their own ways of bending them which is part of the challenge for them.

TBH I like what I see in the battle between Webber and Vettel because we are seeing a "2nd" driver giving the team the finger and doing his best to win rather that complacently sitting back and letting the other driver through. IMHO that should be encouraged and if there are ways of doing that through penalties for team orders then I'm all for it. The whole point is seeing racing, not a bloody procession in the order that team bosses dictate.

Jimbuna

07-29-10, 08:15 AM

Konovalov

07-29-10, 12:07 PM

As per subject head over to the thread here. (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1455740&posted=1#post1455740) Had a brillaint time and would totally recommend to any F1 fan. :yeah:

Flaxpants

07-30-10, 12:29 AM

TBH I like what I see in the battle between Webber and Vettel because we are seeing a "2nd" driver giving the team the finger and doing his best to win rather that complacently sitting back and letting the other driver through. IMHO that should be encouraged and if there are ways of doing that through penalties for team orders then I'm all for it. The whole point is seeing racing, not a bloody procession in the order that team bosses dictate.

Agree with you on that one. I wonder what would of happened if the roles had been reversed- Massa catching Alonso? Another team order for Massa to hold position? How well would that have gone down with the fans? I'll bet not as bad as what did happen, though the net result on the racing would have been the same.

Incidentally, for anyone interested, I used to attend the British GP as a kid in the 70's, and I made a point of collecting autographs at the time. Recently my father discovered these old books in his attic, all mint condition- I have 2 autograph books and one signed programme from the Graham Hill International Trophy, all from between '76 and '79. Here's a list of who I've got (in no particular order):
Mario Andretti; Carlos Reutemann; John Watson; James Hunt; Brett Lunger; Vittorio Brambilla; Jean-Pierre Jarier; Chris Amon; Jackie Ickx; Patrick Gaillard; Rupert Keegan; JP Jabouille; Rene Arnoux; Alan Jones; Clay Regazzoni; Jaques Laffite; Niki Lauda; Jochen Mass; Patrick Neve; Nelson Piquet (Sr); Jody Scheckter; Jackie Stewart; Arturo Merzario (he used to be sponsored by a coffin manufacturer!!); Hans Stuck; And all on one page, signed at the same time- Stirling Moss, Jack Brabham & Roy Salvadori.
I tried to get a valuation on these a couple of months back- Bonhams were interested in auctioning them at this years Goodwood festival of speed. According to them, the lot are currently worth around 800 UK- I'm going to hang onto them for a few more years.

XabbaRus

07-30-10, 04:41 PM

That is something I would never get rid of. Hang on to them.

Any chance you could scan a page and post?

Konovalov

07-31-10, 11:04 AM

I have 2 autograph books and one signed programme from the Graham Hill International Trophy, all from between '76 and '79. Here's a list of who I've got (in no particular order):
Mario Andretti; Carlos Reutemann; John Watson; James Hunt; Brett Lunger; Vittorio Brambilla; Jean-Pierre Jarier; Chris Amon; Jackie Ickx; Patrick Gaillard; Rupert Keegan; JP Jabouille; Rene Arnoux; Alan Jones; Clay Regazzoni; Jaques Laffite; Niki Lauda; Jochen Mass; Patrick Neve; Nelson Piquet (Sr); Jody Scheckter; Jackie Stewart; Arturo Merzario (he used to be sponsored by a coffin manufacturer!!); Hans Stuck; And all on one page, signed at the same time- Stirling Moss, Jack Brabham & Roy Salvadori.
Wow. Definately hold on to them. :)

Can Alonso spoil the RBR party on Sunday? Again it's all going to come down to the long run into turn 1 on Sunday. If not then it will be a RBR 1 2 procession.

Jimbuna

08-01-10, 09:40 AM

Webber overtakes Hamilton in the drivers table and Red Bull overtake McLaren in the constructors table.

This is looking like a close competition in both categories this season.

Once more Vettel can't make pole position count.

MGR1

08-01-10, 10:40 AM

A good, solid, drive from Weber - a well deserved win as well.:yeah:

Vettel looked like he'd bitten on something sour - the BBC cameras caught a great moment with Vettel moaning to one of the race officials and Weber giving a sigh that seemed to say "oh no, he's off on one again"!!!!:nope:

Gave me a wee chuckle!:D

As for Schumacher's move on Rubens - crazy, stupid and he deserves to be penalised. Nearly driving someone into a concrete wall just isn't on!:down:

Mike.

Schroeder

08-01-10, 11:00 AM

As for Schumacher's move on Rubens - crazy, stupid and he deserves to be penalised. Nearly driving someone into a concrete wall just isn't on!:down:

Agreed. That was one hell of an ugly move.:nope:

STEED

08-01-10, 12:22 PM

Bit of a dull race apart from the run away wheel and naughty Schumacher, never the less well done Weber.

Konovalov

08-01-10, 02:58 PM

Yippee.....4 wins for Webber now this season and he leads the drivers champ. :rock::rock::rock:

Schumacher trying to kill his old teamate. :down::down::down:

Vettel, another pole position and no race win. What a shoddy record.

XabbaRus

08-01-10, 04:57 PM

Vettel = Over-rated
Webber = Good on ya
Button = oops must try harder
Hamilton = Bad luckl
Schumacher = old cheating dirty bstard....
Barrichello = Nice move..

Flaxpants

08-02-10, 12:04 AM

That is something I would never get rid of. Hang on to them.

Any chance you could scan a page and post?

Sent you a pm XabbaRus with a link for an ftp where I have the lot photographed in pdf format. If anyone else wants a look then please pm me.

F

XabbaRus

08-02-10, 04:26 AM

Cheers

Herr-Berbunch

08-02-10, 10:09 AM

I've always been a staunch defender of Schumacher, but that was totally undefendable! :nope:

TarJak

08-02-10, 09:23 PM

Vettel = Over-rated
Webber = Good on ya
Button = oops must try harder
Hamilton = Bad luckl
Schumacher = old cheating dirty bstard....
Barrichello = Nice move..
^+1

Flaxpants

08-02-10, 11:05 PM

I've always been a staunch defender of Schumacher, but that was totally undefendable! :nope:

Indeed, and I hear this morning that he has formally apologised for the move, saying it was over the top. Perhaps he meant 'over the hill'?

Herr-Berbunch

08-03-10, 07:27 AM

Indeed, and I hear this morning that he has formally apologised for the move, saying it was over the top. Perhaps he meant 'over the hill'?

(Back to staunch defending...)

OK, he's apologised, let's move on! :D Let's not focus on the bad, remember that win in '99 in the rain, that was phenomenal...:03:

MGR1

08-03-10, 11:34 AM

(Back to staunch defending...)

OK, he's apologised, let's move on! :D Let's not focus on the bad, remember that win in '99 in the rain, that was phenomenal...:03:

When he was good, he was very very good.

But when he was bad, he was 'orrid!!

He's been man enough to apologise, so that's good.:up:

I'm starting to get a little worried about Jensen. He seems a little too dependent on a good car or set up. He's underperforming compared with last year.

Mike.

TarJak

08-03-10, 06:21 PM

When he was good, he was very very good.

But when he was bad, he was 'orrid!!

He's been man enough to apologise, so that's good.:up:

I'm starting to get a little worried about Jensen. He seems a little too dependent on a good car or set up. He's underperforming compared with last year.

Mike.
I think all drivers are dependant on a good car or set up. At this level the driving standards are pretty much neck and neck except for the odd brain fade. The cars and set ups are one of the major deciding factors when a wing adjustment of a few mm could mean the difference between pole position and 2nd or 3rd row on the grid.

If Jensen's team is getting it wrong then he should be pretty miffed with them.

papa_smurf

08-04-10, 04:17 AM

The FIA have finally got their act together and are hauling in Ferrari in on the 8th Sep over the team orders incident.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8879447.stm

MGR1

08-04-10, 11:57 AM

I think all drivers are dependant on a good car or set up. At this level the driving standards are pretty much neck and neck except for the odd brain fade. The cars and set ups are one of the major deciding factors when a wing adjustment of a few mm could mean the difference between pole position and 2nd or 3rd row on the grid.

If Jensen's team is getting it wrong then he should be pretty miffed with them.

Possibly, but Hamilton seems to be doing a lot better with the same equipment. Mind you, Hamilton has been with McLaren longer, so Jensen may still be feeling his way into the set up at the team.

The FIA have finally got their act together and are hauling in Ferrari in on the 8th Sep over the team orders incident.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8879447.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8879447.stm)

Good.

Mike.

Captain Vlad

08-04-10, 09:18 PM

I gotta admit, Barrichello getting past Schumacher actually made me yell "Yeah!" at the screen. Barrichello's luck often seems quite bad and I was expecting him to either not manage an overtake or have an off-track adventure.

For a split-second, when Schumi forced him over towards the wall, I sort of said 'yeah, here it comes'....and then Rubens passes him anyway.

Great driving, and made the race for me. Judging by his mood in the post-race, I'm guessing it made the season for Rubens.:DL

stabiz

08-06-10, 01:09 PM

I watched the race live in Budapest, my first race! What a kick it is when those machines scream by for the first time.:o

Here is a video diary, sort of:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du7j_jaT784

Konovalov

08-06-10, 03:33 PM

TarJak

08-18-10, 03:07 AM

Nice video diary there Stabiz of your F1 experience. :) Loved the Prodigy track from the Jilted Generation album. Suited the race perfectly. :yeah:

I try to get to a F1 GP every few years if possible. Went to Turkey last year for the full weekend and just to quali at Silverstone this year. Prior to that were races when back home in Australia during the 90's in Adelaide twice and Melbourne once. Have always had a ball no matter if the races were exciting or dull. It's the mates that you go with which makes it great in my opinion. :yep:
Amen to that, although I lucked out one year in Melbourne and got pit passes and corporate hospitality in the Williams box above the pits which was completely awesome. Got to meet Mark Webber and one of my all time F1 hero's Jackie Stewart! If anyone gives you the opportunity to do something like this jump at it!

Meanwhile back to the circus! Schumacher gets pinged with a 10 place grid penalty for Belgium (http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/8/11113.html)! Well deserved IMHO.

Lionclaw

08-18-10, 05:30 AM

:rock:

Flaxpants

08-18-10, 05:54 AM

Right on!. Spa- best F1 track ever! Shame they're not all like this one.

Konovalov

08-18-10, 03:11 PM

Yeah Spa is still one of the special tracks even with all the downforce that modern F1 cars have. Some great F1 memories at Spa. Very difficult to put together a perfect lap there. I'm talking about my GP4 days there. :up:

Flaxpants

08-22-10, 11:59 PM

Very difficult to put together a perfect lap there.

My fastest lap at Spa was about 3.5 hours. I was on foot and discovered a beer tent just off at Eau Rouge.

Jimbuna

08-23-10, 06:44 AM

My fastest lap at Spa was about 3.5 hours. I was on foot and discovered a beer tent just off at Eau Rouge.

LOL :DL

Konovalov

08-23-10, 12:57 PM

Nice one Flaxpants. Spa is one of the tracks that I would love to visit along with the Le Mans 24 hour.

Flaxpants

08-24-10, 01:31 AM

I can't remember the exact year I was there, but it was the year with the huge pile up down the hill onto the way to Eau Rouge in the pissing rain, and me and my dad had seats in the grandstand right there, the biggest accident I have ever seen anywhere in my whole life. There were bits of Ferrarris and Mclarens etc all over the place, the marshalls were having a field day with collectables. I think it was the year that Damon Hill won in the Jordan.

Konovalov

08-24-10, 03:36 AM

Ah yes the chaotic start and then the further chaotic restart. Typical treacherous Spa conditions on that Sunday.

stabiz

08-24-10, 01:42 PM

Yeah, Damon won that one because Mini Schumi was not allowed to challenge him, hehe. 1998? Dont worry, I get that team order. Jordan had a 1-2 in the bag, Eddie was probably pissing himself when he saw Ralf close in on Damon. Btw, Damon shrieking on the radio is priceless.:rotfl2:

Flaxpants

08-25-10, 12:00 AM

That sounds about right stabiz, 1998. T'was a fine day for the Jordan team. Funny, on Koh Samui there is a bar named 'Jordans', and it's owned by a guy named Stuart who used to be in charge of the carbon fibre parts for the Jordan team. He has got some tales, it's always interesting to enquire about the drivers and what they're really like. According to him Ralf Schumacher, Barrichello, Frentzen- these are all really great guys who always liked to have fun with the team. When I asked about Hill there was a brief pause, and then, 'He's a *********g w****r' Apparently on his last drive for Jordan after he climbed out of the car he simply just walked away- didn't say a word to anyone in the team, never to be seen again. Fine behaviour!

Konovalov

08-28-10, 12:10 PM

Webbo on pole position for the 5th time. :rock::rock::rock:

But the best lap of quali had to be Lewis with that last run on slicks as the rain came down on the pit straight and La Source. :up:

I don't think that it will matter too much because I predict that Lewis will get the slip and with the extra grunt of the Merc engine will power past Mark into Les Combes.

As for the win well I'm obviously biased and I hope Mark collects another 25 points this weekend and does the back to back wins again. However Lewis has to be a favourite and even though Alonso and his team stuffed up the tyre strategy in Q3 they are still in with a chance of at least a podium. And who knows with the Spa weather tomorrow. All in all I can't wait for the race. :yeah:

TarJak

08-28-10, 05:43 PM

Aye good Q3 session for Webber. Better to be starting from the front than a few rows back. As usual at Spa the weather will be a factor and however much I might want MW to winn and think you are right about the grunt of the Mercs. Looking forward to sitting up and watching the race though.

Konovalov

08-28-10, 06:06 PM

Looking forward to sitting up and watching the race though.
I don't miss those late Sunday nights. Back then it used to be Channel 9 doing the piddly coverage comprising of just the race and with ad breaks. :damn::damn:

It's one thing I love about living over here is that firstly most of the races are during civilized times. Secondly it's on the BBC and that means no ad breakes every 5 minutes. In fact no ads at all. Third BBC provides what I would describe as almost complete coverage. They cover all 3 practice sessions, qualifying with one hour build up, and race day again including 1 hour build up and 30min after race analysis. Then after the race they have a 1 hour F1 Forum discussion going into details of the race. Finally on the BBC's website you can watch highlight's of 5 other Belgian GP's over the years (10mins each) while one of them is extended highlights.

So yeah things have come a long way from the late Sunday nights with the dodgy Channel 9 coverage hosted by idiots such as Ken Sutcliffe and Darryl Eastlake back in Australia. What the hell did Darryl Eastlake know about F1. All the guy was good for was State of Origin and that's being generous. :03: My best mate back home tells me that Channel 10 now do the coverage and even show Saturday qualifying. That's a step in the right direction.

That's the end of my rant on the bad old days of F1 tv coverage. Time for bed. :DL

TarJak

08-29-10, 05:55 AM

Yeah Ch10 has a dedicated HD sports channel called One now which covers the F1 quals and the full race. Still get adds but at least they take the UK commentators who know about about what they are talking about. Nice to see it in HD too. Sounds great on the surround system.:DL Only problem is the timezone.

Big Dazza has been [pretty quiet since he retired which IMHO is a good thing. Never could see what Ch9 saw in him. Kenny Sutcliffe is still there though and they've brought back WWOS on a Sunday morning which I normally give a miss to. Sleeping in from Saturday night qualifying.:DL

XabbaRus

08-29-10, 10:23 AM

Saw the highlights

Good one Lewis
Webber did well to recover
Vettel has shown he is a donkey, he might be very fast but obviously cannot overtake.

Button - well was probably on for a top 3 finish.

Kubica - well done.

Hopefully Button can close the gap but I think he will have to support Lewis and concentrate on next year.

MGR1

08-29-10, 01:09 PM

Spa = Nice unpredictable race - no snoozefest there!:up:

A win for Hamilton.

Great damage limitation from Webber - pity he had such a duff start.

Vettel needs to cool down - taking Button off was a stupid mistake to make. Multiple visits to the pit lane are becoming a feature of his race.

Dare I say it, good solid drive from Schumacher - 21st to 7th is good going. Just a touch of the "good" old Schumi. Mind you, Rosberg did get back past him though...:03:

Pity about Rubens - he deserved better.

Alonso spinning off - :yeah:. Don't like him at all. I get the impression he has an unhealthy obsession with Hamilton and McLaren.

Let's just see what happens on Wednesday with Ferrari....

Mike.

Konovalov

08-29-10, 05:20 PM

Happy for Webbo and his result. :DL A really controlled and safe drive and he never looked like throwing it off the track. In fact at the Bus Stop chicane at the end of lap one he was the only one out of leaders who negotiated it while everyone else tripped over and went straight on. And in the greasy conditions he looked quicker than Kubica and Hamilton.

RBR were never going to be strong on this track and the same will go for Monza. Then at least 4 out of last 5 tracks should lend to the RB6 superior downforce.

Credit to Hamilton for a great drive. :up: At the other end of the scale finger boy Vettel had another hot headed race to forget. And Alonso really needs to win in Monza to have any chance. It has been a very un-Alonso like season littered with mistakes and team tactical errors. Today he gambled on a wet setup and it didn't pay off. However it wasn't his fault that Rubens used the rear of the Ferrari as a braking marker at the Bus Stop chicane.

TarJak

08-30-10, 12:16 AM

Nice result for Webber and Hamilton. Vettel looks like he is watching his season go up in smoke. Alonso as well unless he can get a result at Monza. Not a bad drive from Kubica though.

TheBrauerHour

08-30-10, 09:56 PM

I feel like I am watching an implosion when I see Vettel as well. Webber drove a good race, minimizing the damage done by his bad start.

It was an eventful race, that's for sure. All those cars spinning kept me on the edge of my seat.

TarJak

08-30-10, 10:43 PM

Monza could be interesting too for other reasons: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/motorsport/red-bull-compromised-by-fia-tests-says-button-20100831-14aw6.html

Flaxpants

08-30-10, 11:08 PM

Personally I thought Hamilton did a fantastic job @ spa. The race was impressive enough, he controlled it from start to finish like a true pro. The thing that impressed me most though was in qualifying after the rain started to fall -Hamilton managed to get out and actually improved on his time- Webber even mentioned it in the press conference. He was the only one who did...
It never ceases to amaze me how much flak Hamilton gets on some forums (not this one I'm pleased to see). I've been avidly following formula one for 35 years, and was involved in motorsport myself for 12 years, and I can honestly say that in my opinion, Hamilton has some seriously special talent as a driver. I don't care what he gets up to off the track, nor am I particularly interested in him as a person, but as a driver- wow. I would put money on him breaking Schu's world titles record by the time he retires.

HunterICX

08-31-10, 06:45 AM

Monza could be interesting too for other reasons: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/motorsport/red-bull-compromised-by-fia-tests-says-button-20100831-14aw6.html

Pffff.....look that doesn't change the fact that Button himself is a dull statistic driver with lack of balls so who cares.

my favorites for the title this year are Hamilton and Webber.
I would say Vettel still has a lot to learn before he's up for the title, he at least shows he's a racer and dares to take the risks now he only needs to take his time when overtaking and try to keep his car in check when doing so.

HunterICX

TarJak

08-31-10, 10:31 PM

Pffff.....look that doesn't change the fact that Button himself is a dull statistic driver with lack of balls so who cares.

my favorites for the title this year are Hamilton and Webber.
I would say Vettel still has a lot to learn before he's up for the title, he at least shows he's a racer and dares to take the risks now he only needs to take his time when overtaking and try to keep his car in check when doing so.

HunterICX
I don;t think Button is on a winner either. The point will be what the rule changes do to the RBS cars, if anything.

XabbaRus

09-01-10, 04:12 PM

I disagree about your statement of Button.
His drive last year in Brazil showed him anything but a statistic driver.

Vettle isn't a racer, in fact I can't actually think of any ballsy over taking moves he has done, and most of the races he has won have been from poll.

I hope RBR throw their weight behind Webber.

Vettel is a donkey.

Konovalov

09-02-10, 08:14 AM

I disagree about your statement of Button.
His drive last year in Brazil showed him anything but a statistic driver.
Yep true. He had another of his poor quali efforts but in the race Jense made some decisive clean passing moves to get himself high enough up the order to secure the points for the WDC.

TarJak

09-03-10, 06:11 PM

Meanwhile Hamilton worries about his image:http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/gp-ace-hamilton-worried-about-his-image-20100825-13r51.html

Konovalov

09-03-10, 06:36 PM

Meanwhile Hamilton worries about his image:http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/gp-ace-hamilton-worried-about-his-image-20100825-13r51.html
He should be more worried about McLaren possibly being off the pace again once they leave Monza and move to higher downforce tracks. He really needs to get another win in Monza or at least a podium and also be in front of the Red Bulls.

TarJak

09-10-10, 10:22 PM

Webber previewing Monza in the RB simulator (http://media.smh.com.au/sport/sports-hq/webber-previews-monza-grand-prix-circuit-1917933.html). BTW I so want one for my man cave.

Jimbuna

09-11-10, 02:26 PM

First time I've seen that....get me one for the huffy room whilst your at it :DL

XabbaRus

09-12-10, 02:36 AM

Looks to be an interesting race.

I think JB will go well if he mugs Alonso at the first corner.

Interesting strategy.

Hitman

09-12-10, 03:12 PM

A great drive by Jenson Button :yeah: but sadly the ferraris had the edge today performance-wise :hmmm:

Nevertheless, and thanks to Lewis unbelievable silly mistake, Jenson is again on the championship race. :up:

TarJak

09-12-10, 08:16 PM

Webber had a poor start and ended up 6th but still enough points to put him on top of the championship. Singapore should suit the RB cars better than Monza so it will be interesting to see how they go there.

papa_smurf

09-26-10, 05:55 AM

Poor Massa, couldn't even get 1 lap of qualifying done. Wasn't a bad qualifying either, Button did better and so did Hamiltion (sort of). But Alonso was just brilliant - should be an interesting race.

XabbaRus

09-26-10, 12:36 PM

Maccas just don't quite seem to have the pace. Lewis was a little bit faster than Jenson but not by much, I also think though LH almost pulled off a great move it has damaged his chances a lot. JB is who I would back purely in the way he keeps out of trouble. Before anyone says he keeps out of trouble because he isn't a proper race I say BS. He's just a bit calmer than certain others.

Jimbuna

09-26-10, 12:58 PM

Missed the bugga :damn:

Watched both footy matches on Sky and the TOON got beat :damn::damn:

antikristuseke

09-26-10, 01:06 PM

I missed it because I am still at wrok, 13 hours done, 11 to go. At least I cvan watch it later as i have it recorded at home now.

Schroeder

09-26-10, 01:18 PM

How can you do 24h shifts? I would fall asleep for sure, especially in such a job.:dead:

Jimbuna

09-26-10, 01:34 PM

I missed it because I am still at wrok, 13 hours done, 11 to go. At least I cvan watch it later as i have it recorded at home now.

How can you do 24h shifts? I would fall asleep for sure, especially in such a job.:dead:

Yeah....I reckon 2 hours dancing around a pole is as much as I could do :O:

http://www.smileygenerator.us/community/uploads/stripshy.gif

STEED

09-26-10, 04:07 PM

Dose Lewis know the cost of one of those steering wheels as he throws it to the ground.

Jimbuna

09-26-10, 06:24 PM

Dose Lewis know the cost of one of those steering wheels as he throws it to the ground.

When your earning as much as him I suspect cost is not a serious consideration.

antikristuseke

09-26-10, 06:44 PM

It is sort of the same deal that was with tobaco advertising being banned in Italy, the fines imposed were so miniscule that all tobaco backed teams just payed the fines and got on with the racing while raking in bundles of cash from their sponsor.

TarJak

09-26-10, 07:09 PM

Good result for Webber. I watched the race and the commentators were calling the tactical error by McLaren leaving their pit stop late on Lap 21! WEbbers early pit stop looks like it was a good gamble. He was lucky that no damage was taken when he and Hamilton came together on lap 36.

Not a bad race all up though I reckon the Singapore circuit appears to lack atmosphere to me.

Flaxpants

09-27-10, 12:33 AM

Lewis a little over-exuberant again....Solid drive from Alonso. The championship is still wide open.
I agree with TarJak about the lack of atmosphere, I haven't been to the race but I imagine it's not the same if you're there, it just doesn't come across on the TV. I would say that Singapore has yet to give us a great race, last night was ok but a bit processional like the previous two years. Still not as bad as Valencia, which should be scrapped...

HunterICX

09-27-10, 03:49 AM

Not a bad race all up though I reckon the Singapore circuit appears to lack atmosphere to me.

Agreed, but at least you can overtake on that track can't say the same for Monaco and Valencia those are like a merry go arounds that are decided in the qualification and the only things that might change are tactical error or technical problems with a car.

It might lack atmosphere but there's at least a race going on.

HunterICX

TarJak

09-27-10, 05:41 AM

Agreed, but at least you can overtake on that track can't say the same for Monaco and Valencia those are like a merry go arounds that are decided in the qualification and the only things that might change are tactical error or technical problems with a car.

It might lack atmosphere but there's at least a race going on.

HunterICX
True, Monaco has loads of atmosphere but no real race. Valencia I'm not too sure has much of either.

papa_smurf

09-27-10, 05:47 AM

Well, Hamiltons chance of a third title has gone this year with another stupid error. Solid drive from Alonso, going to be a close finish.

Jimbuna

09-27-10, 06:00 AM

Well, Hamiltons chance of a third title has gone this year with another stupid error. Solid drive from Alonso, going to be a close finish.

I agree the odds are stacking up against him but I wouldn't write him off just yet.

TarJak

09-27-10, 07:07 AM

I agree the odds are stacking up against him but I wouldn't write him off just yet.
Ths year is going to be a very close race to the championship. There are about 5 runners who could mathematically take the title given the points available.

XabbaRus

09-27-10, 07:22 AM

TarJak

09-27-10, 05:58 PM

You should see the Hamilton fans on the autosport forum. They are calling for Webber's head.

Lewis didn't leave enough room and Webber was very lucky, apparently 5mm from having is tire come off the rim.

I'm still rooting for Button but I think the championship will be between Alonso and Webber.

Alonso is storming along now though...not too keen on the guy but his talent is amazing, and to be honest he seems to have become a lot less arrogant this year, more calm.The Hamilton fans need to view the replay then. Nothing in it for either driver, just a racing incident and nothing worth anyone taking action.

I suspect you may be right about Alonso, but I think Webber has his eye on the prize now and this race showed he can charge from back in the field to pick up a podium spot. It will definately be an interesting few weeks.