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Just giving my fellow subsimers a heads up . During the month January 2010, starting on the 17 th USGS detected 1700 earthquakes on the northwest rim of the Yellowstone Caldera the largest of them a 3.8 on january 21 2010. Check USGS Yellowstone Observatory, or search yellowstone volcano. USGS released statement Feb 3, 2010 about increased activity in the last 24hrs. Activity inside a volcano not volcanic makes sense to me brouht to you by the same people that gave you Katrina.
ETR3(SS)
02-01-10, 07:31 PM
Not to be a dick, but what does this have to do with US submarines in the pacific and modding SH4?:06:
No offence taken . Just once in awhile you got to pop the hatch and take alook around . So if it looks like a duck, and acts like a duck , it must be a duck. So when you:haha: hear a little rumbling and it gets alittle louder and louder, while you are trying to figure out why a mod dosen't work you'll know it's not the beaney and wheannies that your mommy fed you. That's what it has to do about US submarines in the pacific and modding SH4, you look out for your buddies or did you forget that.
No offence taken . Just once in awhile you got to pop the hatch and take alook around . So if it looks like a duck, and acts like a duck , it must be a duck. So when you:haha: hear a little rumbling and it gets alittle louder and louder, while you are trying to figure out why a mod dosen't work you'll know it's not the beaney and wheannies that your mommy fed you. That's what it has to do about US submarines in the pacific and modding SH4, you look out for your buddies or did you forget that.
USMC.
Zoomer96
02-03-10, 12:18 AM
OH-RAAH!
The way I found this out was from a homeless guy I know.Then ckecked it out online. HELL of way to find this out. Don't support people that are not:rock: willing to take care of thier own.
Raptor1
02-04-10, 01:55 PM
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nikimcbee
02-04-10, 02:06 PM
Just giving my fellow subsimers a heads up . During the month January 2010, starting on the 17 th USGS detected 1700 earthquakes on the northwest rim of the Yellowstone Caldera the largest of them a 3.8 on january 21 2010. Check USGS Yellowstone Observatory, or search yellowstone volcano. USGS released statement Feb 3, 2010 about increased activity in the last 24hrs. Activity inside a volcano not volcanic makes sense to me brouht to you by the same people that gave you Katrina.
That's scary stuff. If the heat vent that feeds the Yellowstone region every gets plugged up, that could cause the mother of all volcanic eruptions:o, destroying most of the Western US.
SteamWake
02-04-10, 02:56 PM
Geologist have known there is a 'super volcano' of sorts buried deep beneath that region.
It is also well known for hundreds of events its almost a constant thing.
However that being said there has been a greater frequency and magnatude of rumblings there as of late.
Therotically it has the potential of massive destruction but no one really anticipates it.
Sounds like she's planning on an active year this year. I wonder what the geysers are doing, more or less active than before? :hmmm:
EDIT:
"At this time, no one has noted any anomalous changes in surface discharges (hot springs, gas output, etc.)." http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/yvo/publications/2009/09swarm.php
Well, that's something at least. :) Quite the swarm though, something to keep one eye on as the month goes on.
EDIT: EDIT:
Disregard that. That's 2009...THIS is 2010
At this time, no one has noted any anomalous changes in surface discharges (hot springs, gas output, etc.). Keep in mind that it is winter and much of the park is covered in snow. The Old Faithful webcam (http://www.nps.gov/archive/yell/oldfaithfulcam.htm) provides views of that area along with weather information.
http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/yvo/publications/2010/10swarm.php
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Raptor1
02-04-10, 04:30 PM
Doesn't Yellowstone get like that every year?
No, that's just your graphics card and/or router :yep:
Arrgh, stop reminding me of my router, I'm trying to make myself forget that thing exists!
Doesn't Yellowstone get like that every year?
Some years more than others, 1985 was the last record with 3000 quakes registered over three months. If this continues for the same time period at its current level of activity it will probably exceed the '85 record, however there's just as much of a likelihood that it will peter out over the next three weeks. All the initial signs point to the swarms being caused by fault movement as opposed to magma movement, so that's good and the surface warning signs aren't prevalent, although like the release says, it's winter, there's snow on the ground so some signs might be missed. Data on how the ground is moving is being gathered at the moment so we'll see whether it's a subsidence or growth, since it's in the north-west corner of the caldera I'd put my money on growth.
So, business as usual at the moment, but like I said, it's something to keep one eye on in case things change, but not something worth running to the hills about, although like the opening post says, might be a good time for surfing in the lake, particularly if any slides take place! :haha::hmmm:
Task Force
02-04-10, 05:27 PM
hmm if she does"blow" wounder how that would affect the east us coast.:hmmm: probably get covered with ash... and stuff...
probably like the Pompeii from hell.:o
frau kaleun
02-04-10, 06:55 PM
hmm if she does"blow" wounder how that would affect the east us coast.:hmmm: probably get covered with ash... and stuff...
probably like the Pompeii from hell.:o
There was a "docudrama" about this on... I think was it NatGeo, or maybe Discovery Channel, a few years back.
The estimated guess was that pretty much everything west of the Mississippi would be either gone or take enough ash fallout to kill anything and anyone that breathed and did not manage to get far enough east in time (which would be made difficult or impossible by the failure of mass transit systems and general panic). Landscape would be utterly devastated, all agriculture in those regions wiped out. Goodbye, Breadbasket of America.
East of the river I'd think it wouldn't be so great either, depending on how much ash made it how far. Even without that to deal with, you'd be looking at a tremendous loss of natural resources at the very least including food production which (it was speculated) would cause problems in any part of the world that depends largely on North America as a source of grain and other agricultural products.
That's not even considering the masssive loss of life involved. :cry:
hmm if she does"blow" wounder how that would affect the east us coast.:hmmm: probably get covered with ash... and stuff...
probably like the Pompeii from hell.:o
Yeah, pretty much. No sun for quite a few months, no air travel, road travel difficult unless road sweepers are out non-stop, average temperatures plummet (there was a dip after Mt St. Helens went up IIRC), roof collapses after ash build up (that's one of the main things you need to look out for), mass crop devastation, supply shortages due to panic buying, hoarding, civil disorder, brown-outs, black-outs, loss of telephonic communications (overground cables pulled down by settling ash, transformers shorting out).
Off the top of my head that's some of it, although looking at the distance between Yellowstone and the eastern seaboard, you'd probably be spared the worst of the ash but would receive at the very least 1cm of it (all of the US would get min/max 1cm).
I've heard it referred to a mini-nuclear winter, of course the likelihood of a nuclear winter occurring after an exchange is something which has received much debate, particularly during the Cold War, and thus some of the descriptions of a 'nuclear winter' might not apply to such a scenario, however it'd be pretty reasonable to assume that a northern hemisphere average temperature drop of a few degrees would be likely.
Some reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_winter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supervolcano
Although TF, if I were you, I'd be more concerned about the volcano at La Palma:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Palma#Volcano
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megatsunami#Canary_Islands
Although, it's a fair bit more likely that the Yellowstone caldera would go up, than a mega-tsunami would be generated by the collapse of the Cumbre Vieja, however it's still something that cannot be counted completely one hundred percently out. Certainly nothing to lose sleep over though, both Yellowstone and the Canary Islands :03:
There was a "docudrama" about this on... I think was it NatGeo, or maybe Discovery Channel, a few years back.
This one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF-RKzqNtz0
And also mentioned in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv-47kCoFE4&feature=related
Task Force
02-04-10, 07:05 PM
yea. lol. well, I have no issues with the "get as far east as you can" thing. lol but... err... that dosent help with the mega-tsunami.:rotfl2:
frau kaleun
02-04-10, 07:49 PM
This one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF-RKzqNtz0
Yep, that looks familiar. In fact I think I saw two shows about it, both around the same time - one was the docudrama, the other was a straight documentary.
Since I didn't know before then that Yellowstone was a "super-volcano" possibly waiting to happen, I found them both quite interesting.
for live seismograms for yellowstone area go to Yellowstone Volcano Observatory,to monitoing data,eartquakes,to live seismograms for yellowstone, then on the map click on YMR that will take you to live feed. The YMR site is on the left of center in the map
frau kaleun
02-04-10, 08:12 PM
for live seismograms for yellowstone area go to Yellowstone Volcano Observatory,to monitoing data,eartquakes,to live seismograms for yellowstone, then on the map click on YMR that will take you to live feed. The YMR site is on the left of center in the map
Is there a popup or something that will let me know when I need to get on the next bus to Maine?
Is there a popup or something that will let me know when I need to get on the next bus to Maine?
I should imagine the massive explosion outside would be the giveaway... ;)
Task Force
02-04-10, 08:17 PM
I should imagine the massive explosion outside would be the giveaway... ;)
yea... The "suddent shake" should tell you something...:rotfl2:
frau kaleun
02-04-10, 08:29 PM
Lol, I live in Ohio - don't know how long it would take the sound/shake to travel this far, but I'd prefer to have my suitcase already half filled when it does!
Task Force
02-04-10, 08:36 PM
Lol, I live in Ohio - don't know how long it would take the sound/shake to travel this far, but I'd prefer to have my suitcase already half filled when it does!
Lol, wounder how long till you would know about it in Virginia.:hmmm:
frau kaleun
02-04-10, 08:41 PM
Are you in Virginia? Whereabouts, if you don't mind telling?
My dad and his people were all Virginians but I haven't been back there in ages.
I'm in florida .Next to the space center .
Task Force
02-04-10, 08:52 PM
A topsecret bunker... err, southeastern... lol
not even my ass is hanging out there too maybe next shuttle flight. Here are a few things that you should get 1 water you only last 3 days without it 2 get some good dust masks. 3 panty hose you might think I"m crazy , you pull them over your head and dust mask to protect your eyes I use to work inside bulk concrete ships here in port canaveral and it works if you get this stuff in your eyes you are done.......................
some one check live feed for me I lost it . disreguard this feb5 1100pm live feed up and running looks ok . going to try and get some sleep. any body watched Orsan Wells War of the Worlds ?
frau kaleun
02-04-10, 10:10 PM
A topsecret bunker... err, southeastern... lol
My dad was from Blue Ridge country, born in Natural Bridge and grew up for the most part in and around Doe Hill. When I was very little we used to visit his older sister every autumn, she still lived in Staunton at the time. Always a beautiful drive down from Ohio that time of year.
I also have distinct memories of being on a boat that one of my grown cousins had, on what seemed to me like a pretty big stretch of water. I used to assume it was Chesapeake Bay but given how little I was at the time it could've been somewhere far less grand and just looked big to me, lol. I don't remember how we got there or how long it took - just the water and being on the boat and playing cards with my cousin's kids, who were my age, at a little table in what I guess was the cabin.
Funny how little snippets of experiences stick with you like that, even after "the rest of the story" is long gone.
Task Force
02-04-10, 10:28 PM
My dad was from Blue Ridge country, born in Natural Bridge and grew up for the most part in and around Doe Hill. When I was very little we used to visit his older sister every autumn, she still lived in Staunton at the time. Always a beautiful drive down from Ohio that time of year.
I also have distinct memories of being on a boat that one of my grown cousins had, on what seemed to me like a pretty big stretch of water. I used to assume it was Chesapeake Bay but given how little I was at the time it could've been somewhere far less grand and just looked big to me, lol. I don't remember how we got there or how long it took - just the water and being on the boat and playing cards with my cousin's kids, who were my age, at a little table in what I guess was the cabin.
Funny how little snippets of experiences stick with you like that, even after "the rest of the story" is long gone.
Cool, the blue ridge moutians are a nice place. been there.:yep:
you guys alright????????????? I wish that we hear something from the media that would easy my mind that some one besides us are aware of this . good night and God Bless One last note I think we found a new job for NASA how to survive on this rock
Blacklight
02-05-10, 01:40 AM
you guys alright????????????? I wish that we hear something from the media that would easy my mind that some one besides us are aware of this . I'm sure it's nothing to be upset about. If there were any signs, they WOULD be raising the alarm. If you read the article here:
http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/yvo/publications/2010/10swarm.php
You'll see that 1. They installed new and more sensitive equipment. The results are that they're now detecting more quakes that they wouldn't have detected before with the older equipment.
and 2.
YVO staff from the USGS, University of Utah, and Yellowstone National Park continue to carefully review all data streams that are recorded in real-time. At this time, there is no reason to believe that magma has risen to a shallow level within the crust or that a volcanic eruption is likely. The current swarm earthquakes are likely the result of slip on pre-existing faults rather than underground movement of magma. The USGS Volcano Alert Level and Aviation Color Code (http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/activity/alertsystem/index.php) for Yellowstone remains at Normal and Green.
At this time, no one has noted any anomalous changes in surface discharges (hot springs, gas output, etc.).Is it a 0% chance that it'll suddenly erupt out of nowhere with no warning ? No. But guaranteed, if they notice anything moving more than usual, I'm sure we'll hear about it.
feb 5 0830 checked live feed seems to be quiet at YMR it seems more quiet than it has been in the last 10 days :down:since I started monitoring this site may be this is a downward trend, still no word from are fearless leaders in DC. after 20 days and 1700 earthquakes,not even note worthy. Some people might be alright with a 800 pound gorilla in the room with them, but I'm not.
Steady Yubba, it's not 2012 yet ;)
Regarding the earth shattering kaboom. A quick spot of mathematical skulduggery gives me:
Frau Kaleun will hear the bang first approximately just under two hours after the detonation
Then Task Force about fifteen to twenty minutes later, and then finally yubba at two and a half hours after the explosion. This is approximate, because it all depends on air conditions, however they would definately be heard, because when Krakatoa went up with a VEI6 in 1883 (a fart compared to the VEI7 or 8 that Yellowstone would produce in full swing) the explosions were heard 3000 miles away in Australia where they were mistaken for cannon fire.
Now, a shockwave...I doubt that would actually get as far as your locales, although there might be a brief gust of wind just before the sound of the explosion reaches you, it all depends on the geography between Yellowstone and yourselves, a lot of the energy from the detonation would probably be thrown upwards into the atmosphere with the ash cloud, like the Tsar Bomba nuclear device.
Now...the shaking...that's another little calculation to undertake. Assuming the P wave is travelling at 7km/s (speed ranges between 5-8km/s depending on the composition of the ground)
Frau Kaleun, again, would be the first to receive the shake, the P wave arriving five minutes after the explosion. Then Task Force just under seven minutes after the boom and yubba about thirty to forty seconds after that.
P waves aren't that destructive, it's their friends the S-waves that do the main moving and shaking, although naturally, the intensity of said moving and shaking dissipates the further away from the main event the wave travels, likewise the P-wave, however, the S-wave moves approximately sixty percent slower than the P-wave, so Frau Kaleun would get the S-wave eight minutes after the explosion, Task Force about eleven minutes, and yubba about eighteen minutes...although my calculations on that are a bit hazy, so don't take that for granted. I can't find at the moment the energy usage of a VEI8 eruption, although the more extreme VEI8 Toba eruption which happened about 70-75,000 years ago was an estimated 1 gigaton of explosive energy, and the Taupo event of 26,500 years ago had an explosive force greater than that of every single nuclear weapon ever created exploded together. I'd be very surprised if Yellowstone went up like that, though, very surprised indeed, it's most violent event was 640,000 years ago and the ash bed from that covered an area from San Francisco in the west, to Kansas City in the east, and as far north as Canada and as far south as the Mexican border. Not quite as eventful as Taupo which covered pretty much all of New Zealand in at least 18cm of ash and buried the North Island under 200 meters of rock.
So, while its likely you'd hear and feel the explosion, well, feel THEN hear, you wouldn't get much more than that until the cloud arrived and put the sun out of commission. From that it would be a volcanic winter for at the very most about six-seven years, with global temperatures dropping by 1-2 degrees Celsius (doesn't sound much, but it is) and a fair bit of chaos in the US, and the Northern hemisphere. :yep:
I sure picked a find time to quite drinkin.:woot:maybe I'll take up smokin, had way too much coffee today.download patches for sub command see if I can blow something up .Oh by the way, just up to recent times, didn't they just figure out leap year? Wouldn't that thing on the wall there with the numbers and you know, with the days on it could be a couple of years off, instead of it being 2010 it's really 2012.? AAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGG ,,what's next, the ,,,damn Easter Bunny, going too impale himself on my fence?????
Blacklight
02-05-10, 09:40 PM
still no word from are fearless leaders in DC.
If there was a problem, I can guarantee that we'd hear something. There's no WAY that the news media wouldn't be crawling all over it.
I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
HAVE YOU SEEN MOOOSE ANND SQUIRRRRELLL...................................... ....................... Ok I did my duty. Some one elses turn too save the world. AAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGG ....Women,, I ain't got time for that,,,, I got piratting to do where's me pirate suit? HHOOWWW can I go piratting without me suit...........:arrgh!: YEA BY THE TELL THAT 800 POUND GORILLA TO KEEP IT DOWN.......:yawn: YUBBA, USMC,,, OH A PARADE YOU SHOULDN"T HAVE.
krashkart
02-06-10, 09:39 AM
There was a "docudrama" about this on... I think was it NatGeo, or maybe Discovery Channel, a few years back.
The estimated guess was that pretty much everything west of the Mississippi would be either gone or take enough ash fallout to kill anything and anyone that breathed and did not manage to get far enough east in time (which would be made difficult or impossible by the failure of mass transit systems and general panic). Landscape would be utterly devastated, all agriculture in those regions wiped out. Goodbye, Breadbasket of America.
East of the river I'd think it wouldn't be so great either, depending on how much ash made it how far. Even without that to deal with, you'd be looking at a tremendous loss of natural resources at the very least including food production which (it was speculated) would cause problems in any part of the world that depends largely on North America as a source of grain and other agricultu ral products.
That's not even considering the masssive loss of life involved. :cry:
Was that the one on Discovery a few years back?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAf6OyFth7Y
Buh-bye, Wyoming! *KA-PHOOM* :o
Here's another predictive video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR1bg_Yf0T4
So much for the Grand Teton area tourist industry. *KA-BLAMMO* Suppose the bison might have a problem with this? :hmmm:
krashkart
02-06-10, 09:43 AM
I sure picked a find time to quite drinkin.:woot:maybe I'll take up smokin, had way too much coffee today.download patches for sub command see if I can blow something up .Oh by the way, just up to recent times, didn't they just figure out leap year? Wouldn't that thing on the wall there with the numbers and you know, with the days on it be a couple of years off, instead of it being 2010 it's really 2012.? AAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGG ,,what's next, the ,,,damn Easter Bunny, going too impale himself on my fence?????
Not to worry about the Easter Bunny, brother. He checked himself into a clinic last week, citing userland issues and something about craving a heavy makeout session with Tony the Tiger. TMZ is all over it. :DL
@ Oberon:
Your post about the P- and S-waves is quite the interesting read.
it chuckled at most of it ,it shows it on the seismothingey. We ought try see if we can make it bust a gut.
@ Oberon:
Your post about the P- and S-waves is quite the interesting read.
Thanks, I did a fair bit of reading about earthquakes and volcanoes during my school days, geography was one of my strong points :rock::D
Torplexed
02-06-10, 06:45 PM
Crater Lake (Mt. Mazama) in Oregon has had a small micro swarm of earthquakes this week lasting about 8 hours. These were very weak quakes, < 0.1 in magnitude, and nothing to be concerned about....maybe. ;) It's considered normal background activity for volcanic regions.
However, Nikimcbee had better be on stand-by to run for the hills....no make that run from the hills. :D
http://earth.jsc.nasa.gov/EarthObservatory/CraterLake,Oregon_files/ISS006E15238_Crater-Lake.jpg
I found it rather fascinating that the Scafells section of the Lake District in the UK is the remnants of a supervolcano that went up 400 million years ago. You really don't think of volcanoes in the UK, even though Exeter and Edinburgh castles sit on them. :hmmm:
Torplexed
02-06-10, 07:32 PM
I found it rather fascinating that the Scafells section of the Lake District in the UK is the remnants of a supervolcano that went up 400 million years ago. You really don't think of volcanoes in the UK, even though Exeter and Edinburgh castles sit on them. :hmmm:
The Isle of Skye in Scotland as well. The northern part is primarily composed of tertiary volcanic rock.
http://www.mantleplumes.org/images2/SkyeFig4_500.jpg
Feb 8 2000hrs how long does an eathquake inside a volcano have too be for it is something else ,event started 1706 ended 1713 at YMR site live feed. still no word from fearless leaders.
Only suckers wait for word from Fearless Leaders.
Blacklight
02-09-10, 01:53 AM
When the megacontinent Pangea ripped apart to form our current continent arrangement, all along the new coasts of where the land split apart was pretty much one big giant volcano. There's REALLY deep lava rock inland for pretty much MILES along each coast that split off.
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