Is this true?

[ddiplock]

Hi guys, I've just been reading up some more info on SH5, and I found a site that appears to give the impression that the Career mode in SH5 will end in 1943....is this true??

If so, that's is BS. Did Germany suddenly stop sending its U-Boats to sea in 1943?? They sure didn't.

Any truth to this at all?

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes sir. Party over in 43. For now anyway. Who knows what the future will bring...

[TDK1044]

From Neal's interview......

Subsim: And as you build your career, you're gonna be in charge of a Type VII U-boat at the very beginning, and you're gonna progress through the torpedo failures, the Happy Times, Operation Drumbeat... all these phases of the war until the end of the war in 1945?

Alex: You build your career through these phases, but the game ends in 1943.

Dan: The game actually ends after Black May, which we feel is the real climax of the U-boat war. We tried to portray more carefully, in more detail, the golden years of the U-boar war and what has led up to the real Black May. Neal, If you remember a few months before May 1943, they had the highest scoring month in the war, and then just a month later, they lost the most submarines because the Allies introduced some real effective countermeasures against U-boats. And then Doenitz was forced to retreat his U-boats from the Atlantic because they never actually challenged the Allied sea powers the same way as before. So for now, we felt we wanted to concentrate on the early years and maybe later to give the same attention to the the late war years we think should come with some professional approach. For example, if you remember Silent
Hunter 3 we had the late war game with the Type XXI U-boat and everything, but we never actually did portray the Allied side of the anti-submarine warfare, as we should have. You know there are really advanced weapons that were used, like aircraft dropped torpedoes and magnetic anomaly detectors that if you wanted to do a real simulation of the late war years against U-boats, you gotta have those in. So, we don't want to just put on the box of the game 'oh, it's the whole war', it's the first part of the war really where we are concentrating.

[McBeck]

Read all about it:

http://www.subsim.com/ssr/sh5/preview_sh5_jan2010.php

[Leandros]

Hi guys, I've just been reading up some more info on SH5, and I found a site that appears to give the impression that the Career mode in SH5 will end in 1943....is this true??

If so, that's is BS. Did Germany suddenly stop sending its U-Boats to sea in 1943?? They sure didn't.

Any truth to this at all?
As a matter o facts Dønitz did take a major break after the heavy looses in May '43. That said, he was expecting to get better weapons like the self-seeking torpedoes to better battle the escorts - schnorkels, coatings and electronic equipment.

[Onkel Neal]

Don't worry, by the time you make it to 1943 in the SH5 career (if you survive Black May), they will have the second part of the campaign ready :shucks:

[trenken]

I dont have a problem with it ending in '43. After black may it was all downhill anyway, and I guess it also leaves open the possibility anyway of them extending it at some point if they want to do that..

[SteamWake]

Hrm I heard something about.....

Oh never mind... Ill just sit here and Moo :03:

[bigboywooly]

I dont have a problem with it ending in '43. After black may it was all downhill anyway, and I guess it also leaves open the possibility anyway of them extending it at some point if they want to do that..

Thats the best time
The exciting time
Every patrol is a challenge

You can guarantee an extention is ( or was ) on the cards
DLC is a way to keep the cash rolling in after release
They KNOW we want more than the type 7s and the end of the war

[HundertzehnGustav]

Don't worry, by the time you make it to 1943 in the SH5 career (if you survive Black May), they will have the second part of the campaign ready :shucks:

:timeout::timeout::timeout: STOPPPPPP! All engines to a screeching halt!
THEY or WE?
Ubi or the Modders?

:D:D:D

[Egan]

Thats the best time
The exciting time
Every patrol is a challenge

You can guarantee an extention is ( or was ) on the cards
DLC is a way to keep the cash rolling in after release
They KNOW we want more than the type 7s and the end of the war

For me it's not even a question of best time or what ever. I simply feel that the barest minimum that a ww2 sub sim should provide is a full campaign as part of the base game. I know they have said that the new campaign is far more detailed but that in no way explains to me why they couldn't have actually developed it to the end of U-boat operations. Did they run out of time? of money? the 3d interior take up too much of both?

Buying new boats via add on packs I'll do if that is the system they want to use but the campaign should be there from the start - all of it - and so far I havent heard a good reason why its not.It should be the absolute focus of the game, not something to be chucked out again later when they need to earn a few more bucks. If part 2 comes in an add on I'll be very annoyed. Aside from that, If they are going to stick it out as DLC, are they really going to allow us to mod the campaign to the end of operations? It would seem rather an odd decision if they are going to charge us for it down the road.

So much more curious about this stuff than the DRM thing to be honest.

[danlisa]

For me it's not even a question of best time or what ever. I simply feel that the barest minimum that a ww2 sub sim should provide is a full campaign as part of the base game.

I had this view too.

However, thanks to aggressive re-education I now realise that the Silent Hunter series has never been a WWII simulation, it's a U-Boat simulation and as such they can focus on one particular type if they wish.

:know::damn:

[bigboywooly]

For me it's not even a question of best time or what ever. I simply feel that the barest minimum that a ww2 sub sim should provide is a full campaign as part of the base game. I know they have said that the new campaign is far more detailed but that in no way explains to me why they couldn't have actually developed it to the end of U-boat operations. Did they run out of time? of money? the 3d interior take up too much of both?

Buying new boats via add on packs I'll do if that is the system they want to use but the campaign should be there from the start - all of it - and so far I havent heard a good reason why its not.It should be the absolute focus of the game, not something to be chucked out again later when they need to earn a few more bucks. If part 2 comes in an add on I'll be very annoyed. Aside from that, If they are going to stick it out as DLC, are they really going to allow us to mod the campaign to the end of operations? It would seem rather an odd decision if they are going to charge us for it down the road.

So much more curious about this stuff than the DRM thing to be honest.

The cynical view is they only went to 43 to save work in building new allied weapon types\ships\aircraft or operations
As the campaign only runs till may 43 I would expect it to be highly detailed and accurate

:rotfl2:

[Boris]

A campaign is a phase of a war involving a series of operations related in time and space and aimed towards a single, specific, strategic objective or result in the war. A campaign may include a single battle, but more often it comprises a number of battles over a protracted period of time or a considerable distance, but within a single theatre of operations or delimited area. A campaign may last only a few weeks, but usually lasts several months or even a year. - Trevor N. Dupuy


It seems like this time they've gone for the literal definition of a campaign.

You want a full campaign? Well, by the very definition of a campaign, the devs have already said there will be several.
It has been stated often here, that no U-boat captain's career ever spaned the entire war.

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm still of the mind more is coming after the first installment in March. :03:

[bigboywooly]

I'm still of the mind more is coming after the first installment in March. :03:

If it sells

[AVGWarhawk]

If it sells

:yep: It will sell. With exception of DRM I think many have jumped the gun on the campaign aspect of the game. DRM does not matter to me. Others it does. We will see.

[Boris]

:yep: It will sell. With exception of DRM I think many have jumped the gun on the campaign aspect of the game. DRM does not matter to me. Others it does. We will see.

I'm with AVG on this. If the game is of high quality, those who have a stable internet connection will start buying the game. So it will sell.
Many may be boycotting it here, but the general public doesn't really care about, or won't even notice the new DRM.
I'm not ashamed to say that I will be buying it.

[mookiemookie]

I had this view too.

However, thanks to aggressive re-education I now realise that the Silent Hunter series has never been a WWII simulation, it's a U-Boat simulation and as such they can focus on one particular type if they wish.

:know::damn:

The next course in our re-education....excuse me, I mean "realignment of perspectives" is to realize that it's a U-boat game and not a simulation. This is why you don't see independent engine controls, ability to run electrics on the surface, etc.

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm with AVG on this. If the game is of high quality, those who have a stable internet connection will start buying the game. So it will sell.
Many may be boycotting it here, but the general public doesn't really care about, or won't even notice the new DRM.
I'm not ashamed to say that I will be buying it.


I could not tell you if my computer is connecting for a game or not. I click the icon and off I go. Some games I see some activity before starting but do not know if it is connecting or not. What was that GUI for SH4 when the uboats arrived?

[bigboywooly]

:yep: It will sell. With exception of DRM I think many have jumped the gun on the campaign aspect of the game. DRM does not matter to me. Others it does. We will see.

Ubi will be hoping you are right

TBH havent read a great deal about the campaign and have no doubt it will be extended to wars end either by modding or by Ubi - the most likely candidate

[Egan]

I had this view too.

However, thanks to aggressive re-education I now realise that the Silent Hunter series has never been a WWII simulation, it's a U-Boat simulation and as such they can focus on one particular type if they wish.

:know::damn:

:DL

Yep. They can indeed do as they wish, and as others have said it will sell. Falcon 4 only had one aircraft but it modeled that aircraft to an incredible level. I'm happy to have only one U-boat craft per expansion pack but only if they are so insanely detailed that I need 18 months to learn to captain each one. :D

Really - I want full engine management, I want to be able to trim tanks, order the crew to harbour stations, Actually WATCH my crew transferring torps from external stowage to the bomb-shop, switch to red light at lunchtime because I'm the skipper and I say so, measure salinity, sing sea shanties, tell the helmsman what angle I want on the dive, work the Enigma machine, weigh the blooming anchor and shiver my own timbers. Anything less and I will consider it a personal insult to myself and the great grog horde. Yeah, we'll get a full u-boat interior but i bet we won't be able to flush the head. Have you ever seen how complicated WW2 Sub toilets could be? Wow - there's an involving sub game right there.

Do all that and I'll be happy with one boat in the base game. :yeah:

The cynical view is they only went to 43 to save work in building new allied weapon types\ships\aircraft or operations
As the campaign only runs till may 43 I would expect it to be highly detailed and accurate

:rotfl2:

I prefer to think that they were so skint after paying for all the replica Captains hats they're going to give us for free to make up for the lack of a type IX or type II they couldn't afford to buy volume two of 'Hitler's U-boat War' by Clay Blair and therefore couldn't do the necessary research. I mean, thats gotta be the real reason...right? :salute:

[Sailor Steve]

As I said in another thread, I'm expecting the reason behind this is because they know from prior experience that dedicated modders will strip it out and rewrite it no matter how much work they put into it. Which is okay by me if it really is as easily modable as they say.

[Zoomer96]

Where can I get my White Captains Cap?:D

[danlisa]

The next course in our re-education....excuse me, I mean "realignment of perspectives" is to realize that it's a U-boat game and not a simulation.

Woah! Go easy. Talk like that might rupture the space time continuum.:88)

It was enough of a 'eureka' moment realising my first epiphany but now you go too far.