We demand a gameplay movie [Archive] - SUBSIM Radio Room Forums

Reaves

01-31-10, 09:17 AM

Even steam can be used in offline mode.

DRM is good for the first few months of release but then it should be canned. This online save game idea does not allow that.

If it matters to anyone I've moved from pre-ordering to wait until it's bargain bin. My enthusiasm for this game sunk...

I only wish Enigma rising tide did better. Those guys were true fans of the genre.

JU_88

01-31-10, 09:20 AM

I don't see 'demands' achieving much in the way of a response....a cordial request might carry a little more weight though.

^^This +1

mookiemookie

01-31-10, 09:27 AM

After the breach of trust that's happened in these forums, I'd say we are in absolutely no position to "demand" anything.

Platapus

01-31-10, 09:52 AM

By game play video, I would want to see the game played at the higher realism settings and show the target tracking, plotting, and manual targeting aspects of the game.

I am not interested in glitzy graphic eye candy! I am interested in how SH5 will simulate the important aspects of submarine control.

It is almost one month before release. I would hope that some developer/tester has played this game, at least a little, on the higher realism levels.

The General

01-31-10, 09:56 AM

After the breach of trust that's happened in these forums.Can you elaborate on this please MM?

Mud

01-31-10, 09:59 AM

"We demand", speak for your self 'cos I don't demand anything.

Mud

Sgtmonkeynads

01-31-10, 10:00 AM

So if we get a 45 min. video of everything on ultra-realistic setting,
but there is still a need for permanent connection,
what's it gonna solve.
People will still beat that poor dead horse no matter what is shown now.
http://www.silverfishlongboarding.com/forum/images/smilies/other_beatingA_DeadHorse.gif

JU_88

01-31-10, 10:06 AM

Can you elaborate on this please MM?

A subsimmer is serving brig time for sending a somewhat provocative PM to a dev, then publishing the devs PM response on the forum.
Very uncool.

Jimbuna

01-31-10, 10:12 AM

A subsimmer is serving brig time for sending a somewhat provocative PM to a dev, then publishing the devs PM response on the forum.
Very uncool.

No sympathy....PM's are as the title suggests 'PRIVATE'

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4872/1182400429cr.gif

609_Avatar

01-31-10, 10:13 AM

Brag

01-31-10, 10:33 AM

I demand noothingz but: :haha:Moo, :haha:Moo, :haha:Moo.

Letum

01-31-10, 10:34 AM

I'm with Avatar.
Until issues are resolved, I don't give a damm what the game looks like.

The General

01-31-10, 10:35 AM

A subsimmer is serving brig time for sending a somewhat provocative PM to a dev, then publishing the devs PM response on the forum.
Very uncool.Oh yeah. I saw that actually, that was crazy! I love the part where The Dev says 'You're not in a position to call me Dude'. I thought that was very cool.

I just got out of The Brig myself for making fun of Dowly and Australia (How could I?! :03:), but I would never do anything like that! Neal should just bann that guy altogether.

Anyway, on topic I voted that 'It'd be nice to see a vid, but I could live without it'. Not long to go now 'til the game comes out and of course I'm gonna buy it, what true subsim fan wouldn't?

Sub146

01-31-10, 10:36 AM

My pc cannot run the game anyway , but a new game play movie would be nice. :salute: /voted

urfisch

01-31-10, 11:20 AM

i am hopeless, regarding any wish posted here to be fulfilled. save your energy for more important things in RL...

;)

IanC

01-31-10, 11:59 AM

Demand or politely ask, whatever, as if any of those make a difference anyways... but yes, they should let a video out. Anything to get our minds off the negative vibe.

kptn_kaiserhof

01-31-10, 12:00 PM

i agree with the general

KL-alfman

01-31-10, 12:09 PM

of course I'm gonna buy it, what true subsim fan wouldn't?

so you consider 80% of your fellow community here as "not true subsimmers"?

continuing insults will see you in the brig soon, I suppose.

HundertzehnGustav

01-31-10, 12:14 PM

IanC

01-31-10, 12:14 PM

Isn't a PR trick, that if something goes wrong, you quickly do something else to divert attention to said problem? We see it time and time again in other situations... Doesn't always work but it's worth a try. I think the Ubi PR people are sleeping on this one.

KL-alfman

01-31-10, 12:19 PM

ah come on alfmann, he wasnt insulting ya.... otherwise i would have to feel insulted too.

He is enthousiastic, and i give him that.
Wish i could say the same about me, but to feel insulted/treated as a not-true-subsim-fan...

Both of us got a thicker skin than that.
:03:

hmmm, you are right.
it's just that all my anticipation has turnde into something I cannot express here. that got me maybe way too thin-skinned.

@ General:
pls, state what you like. I won't take notice in the future. :D

Nisgeis

01-31-10, 12:22 PM

Isn't a PR trick, that if something goes wrong, you quickly do something else to divert attention to said problem?

Yes, either a cunning plan, or incompetence. Ubisoft have had lots and lots of 'cunning plans' in their past. I have often read on other forums when people rant that they will never again buy a Ubi product due to Ubi's sheer brilliance with PR campaigns.

oscar19681

01-31-10, 12:23 PM

Yes, "demand" may have been a poor choice of words but at this point I don't care how marvelous SH5 will look or play. I don't support this form of DMR and will not do so again (I did buy RoF) with my wallet. If that means I'll be missing out on all the latest and coolest games I can definitely live with that. I have more than enough right here to keep me happily entertained until I die and voting with my wallet is the only true effective way to clearly get my opinion across to those that can actually change it.

Yes Demand is indeed a bad choice of words. But what i mean by this poll is to show the demand for a gameplay movie. I mean i just dont anderstand why we dont get anything at all while this would surely to a certain extent turn this DRM thing around a bit and have people focus on the features on sh-5 that make the game. I mean i getting tired of this whole DRM thing and all the posts sem to be about this one way or another. But if they dont give us anything else to talk about this will remain the same i guess. I,m sure the devs and ubi are somewhat carefull as to what they should give us now , but i,m sure not giving us anything at all is always the worst thing to do in the end.

kiwi_2005

01-31-10, 12:25 PM

oh dear drama drama.

Rock on SH5 :D

IanC

01-31-10, 12:40 PM

Yes, either a cunning plan, or incompetence. Ubisoft have had lots and lots of 'cunning plans' in their past. I have often read on other forums when people rant that they will never again buy a Ubi product due to Ubi's sheer brilliance with PR campaigns.

I see... well then Ubi should hire new PR people. I wonder if that Ronald McDonald clown is available. He does a good job.

Adriatico

01-31-10, 12:50 PM

we demand?

cool choice of word!:yeah:
we demand the announcement that i can play offline.
keep your screens and remove the chain.

+1
...keep your screens and remove the chain
"we"... ??? http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=160783

The General

01-31-10, 01:02 PM

so you consider 80% of your fellow community here as "not true subsimmers"?Are you suggesting that 80% of the Community are not going to buy SH5? If so, I think you are very wrong. I think you are in the minority.

To clarify, I am suggesting that anyone who does not buy SH5 can't really love Subsims, what else is there!? You guys can't exactly afford to be picky! The Silent Hunter series is the best subsim series there has ever been! What are you talking about?! This can't be just the language barrier.

If you can afford a computer powerful enough to run SH5 smoothly (Even I can't at the moment and I have a dual core processor and 8000 Series NVidia Card), you can afford broadband internet connectivity. The majority of people who will buy SH5 have broadband. It's 2010, broadband has NEVER cut-out on me, so to suggest that DRM (or whatever the hell it's called) is a problem is completely ludicrous to me.

HundertzehnGustav

01-31-10, 01:07 PM

Hay!

I am a Virtual Pilot, yet have not bought FSX/acceleration nor Falcon 4.0
i am into Il-2, Cfs3 and Lomac though.

Whats this nonsense anyway, true subsimmer vs not-true subsimmer?

Yall are a bunch of Keyboard users and Mice clickers! nothing more nothing less. And me too.

we dont even eat Navy food!

:rock::rotfl2:

and SHV is a FPS or RPG game, we should close the SHV forum entirely by March 6!
Just wait and see!

then the SHV GAMERS will be cast out of the Simmers Elite, and what remains is the SHII, III and IV crews laughing about a bunch of kiddos.

(---> Just an exercise to see if i can post such strong and absurde comments as good as the next fellow.)

IanC

01-31-10, 01:07 PM

To clarify, I am suggesting that anyone who does not buy SH5 can't really love Subsims, beacause what else is there!? You guys can't exactly afford to be picky! The Silent Hunter series is the best subsim series there has ever been! What are you talking about?! This can't be just the language barrier.

Are you serious when you say things like that? So if I play Aces Of The Deep and not SH4 or 5 I don't really love Subsims? :o

The General

01-31-10, 01:11 PM

Are you serious when you say things like that? So if I play Aces Of The Deep and not SH4 or 5 I don't really love Subsims? :oThat's exactly what I am saying. The name of this website is subsim, not u-boat sim.

What do you mean you're not playing SH5?! No one is, it hasn't come out yet!

If you're dissmissing Sh5 without even playing it, then I am flat-out telling you you're not a subsim fan.

The General

01-31-10, 01:16 PM

(---> Just an exercise to see if i can post such strong and absurde comments as good as the next fellow.)Well, I think it's safe to say that you cannot. :O:

IanC

01-31-10, 01:16 PM

That's exactly what I am saying. The name of this website is subsim, not u-boat sim.

What do you mean you're not playing SH5?! No one is, it hasn't come out yet!

If you're dissmissing Sh5 without even playing it, then I am flat-out telling you you're not a subsim fan.

:doh:

Adriatico

01-31-10, 01:28 PM

..., you can afford broadband internet connectivity. The majority of people who will buy SH5 have broadband. It's 2010, broadband has NEVER cut-out on me, so to suggest that DRM (or whatever the hell it's called) is a problem is completely ludicrous to me.

Do You think that planet earth is UK ?
How would people afford broadbend connection if there is no line?
***
Does Toyota or Ford control what you do with your car?
Do they pose conditions and restrictions... in starting and parking?

If you feel happy to be "on Ubi chain"... go for it, but please without "lessons" to us...

Brag

01-31-10, 02:03 PM

The General, hmmm, thinks we are stupid. I have only one thing to say to him.

Moo :D

ryanglavin

01-31-10, 02:23 PM

Does Toyota or Ford control what you do with your car?
Do they pose conditions and restrictions... in starting and parking?
Well they do give you the car keys :88)

Jimbuna

01-31-10, 03:20 PM

It's 2010, broadband has NEVER cut-out on me, so to suggest that DRM (or whatever the hell it's called) is a problem is completely ludicrous to me.

I think you should give consideration to the fact that many people aren't on broadband connections because of it's cost or possibly even the fact that it might not be available in their area.

Even with a broadband connection you have failed to recognise the vital ingrediant.....the Ubi server, will it work trouble free and will it be able to supply enough capacity to meet the expected demand.

Personally, I'm currently on a 50MB connection but that will mean squat if I'm locked out of the server.

oscar19681

01-31-10, 03:24 PM

PLEASE PEOPLE!! lets NOT have this turn into yet ANOTHER DRM thread please!! There are enough of those out there allready.

Elder-Pirate

01-31-10, 04:48 PM

Hay!

we dont even eat Navy food!

:rock::rotfl2:

Speak for yourself, I know a restaurant near where I live that serves chow just about like I ate aboard the USS Sarsfield EDD 837 in 56-57. ( sig. )

We had better food on that DD than some superior restaurants in the world.:D

Although I can not say that about eating on the base at Key West were we were stationed at the time.:down:

I really did want SHV but now I find out the chow is poisoned, so forget it unless the OSP/DRM or whatever they want to call it is removed period.:arrgh!:

Now excuse me for its chow time here. :DL

Platapus

01-31-10, 05:11 PM

So if we get a 45 min. video of everything on ultra-realistic setting,
but there is still a need for permanent connection,
what's it gonna solve.

There are people, like me, to whom the requirement for internet connection is a minor annoyance compared to game play.

If, and a huge if that is, SH5 turns out to be a really good simulator, with good game play at the realism levels I am looking for, with more actionable features (working hydrophone, better plotting capabilities, etc.) I would probably deal with the annoyance of a permanent connection.

I won't like it, but I can compromise on this.

However, connection or no connection, if SH5 is a crappy graphic focused arcade game, the issue of connection won't even come up.

That's why I want to know more about the game playing aspects of the game. Perhaps I am alone in this or not. I won't speak for other Simmers.

V.C. Sniper

01-31-10, 05:29 PM

i want to see 100% realism!!!!

Elder-Pirate

01-31-10, 05:35 PM

Perhaps I am alone in this or not. I won't speak for other Simmers.

No your not alone on the SHV subject I'm sure, but you are dog-gone close.:03:

Sgtmonkeynads

01-31-10, 10:56 PM

Perhaps I am alone in this or not. I won't speak for other Simmers.
Your doing well so far. I feel the same way. I have no problems with my Internet now, I upgraded my cell phone. But there are still a lot of people that don't and I don't think that they should be left out.

I'd like to see a new movie, I just don't think it would quell any of the **** storm around here lately.
No news may be good news, but in this case it just makes me worry more.
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Steeltrap

01-31-10, 11:02 PM

If you're dissmissing Sh5 without even playing it, then I am flat-out telling you you're not a subsim fan.

That's nice of you. I frequently question my own state of mind...it's so helpful to have a complete stranger tell me what/who I am and what I think.

Here I was thinking my having played Silent Service, AoD, 688, Red Storm Rising and Silent Hunters 1 - 4 might have qualified me as a subsim fan, but clearly I was mistaken.

Thanks for clearing that up for me. Should prevent any cognitive dissonance I might otherwise experience when discussing subsims....

:D

SubV

01-31-10, 11:14 PM

I don't really care about SH5 anymore.

Expect another buggy release with major technical and gameplay problems that'll never be fixed. Even worse, this time the game is cut in half and will contain some draconian type of protection system.

SH3 was a hit, mainly because of nice graphics and random freeplay campaign. They decided to leave it in unfinished state, though -- not caring much of our opinions. Some serious problems were not fixed even in last patch 1.4b (1.4 beta (!) ).

SH4 failed in many ways, because the developers decided not to learn from their mistakes. This time, we've got even buggier and incomplete game. And I don't think most of us really care about that Pacific campaign. The whole thing was a mistake.

Now, they trying to sell the same thing again, with slightly polished graphics and unnecessary 3d-action elements, targeted at casual gamers.

No gameplay video can change the simple facts.

IanC

01-31-10, 11:44 PM

That's nice of you. I frequently question my own state of mind...it's so helpful to have a complete stranger tell me what/who I am and what I think.

Here I was thinking my having played Silent Service, AoD, 688, Red Storm Rising and Silent Hunters 1 - 4 might have qualified me as a subsim fan, but clearly I was mistaken.

Thanks for clearing that up for me. Should prevent any cognitive dissonance I might otherwise experience when discussing subsims....

:D

:haha: Yeah, so what if we've been playing subsims for 25 years (literally, Silent Service 1985). Doesn't mean we're fans right... :roll:

karamazovnew

02-01-10, 01:34 AM

To quote a great man of wisdom "All will be revealed in March." :up:

JScones

02-01-10, 02:17 AM

Firstly, I don't "demand" anything. Indeed, I'm quite happy to wait as I don't see the need to see the same stuff rehashed again. Besides, how many more "punches" can we take? :D

I'll wait and see the screenshots that the buyers here post.

Platapus

02-01-10, 08:30 PM

:haha: Yeah, so what if we've been playing subsims for 25 years (literally, Silent Service 1985). Doesn't mean we're fans right... :roll:

1985? Damn, you are right. You did forget Gato (1984) but still 25 years. Gosh we are old. :shucks: