What is happening to this forum?

[Rosencrantz]

Hello, everyone!


I'm sure it's not just my eyebrowns which seems to be stucked to upper position, so I'd like to ask, what is happening to this forum, to us?

During the last 5 - 6 years which I have been a proud member of this forum, I have never seen this kind of venting and arguing between the members. Plus that only times I needed to report a bad topic or message, I could do it first in front of mirror. Sad, this has not been true during last couple days.

Especially I'm very dissapointed and surprised that members with maybe only 65 posts sent during the last few years seems to think it appropriate to ask other, and often older members, to "move on from the forum", or the way especially Sailor Steve was treated yesterday by another member. This is something very unusual on this site, and raises many questions as this is happening just prior to the release of SH5.

I only hope evidently stupid DRM choice made by UBI won't raise new fights on the forum, that old battle axes could be burried, and that younger members of the forum take account the Subsim's honourable traditions and rules.


-RC-

[FIREWALL]

The Sheep are turning into Rams. :yep:

[Letum]

I think on the whole things have been rather civil.
There have been strong opinions and frank discussions, but on the whole
there haven't been and major infractions or insults.
I wouldn't expect that from all domains on the internet. It's a credit to
subsim's members.

There is, clearly, a minority set on picking a fight at every opportunity, but
they are being kept in check.

[HundertzehnGustav]

I have had no rant since i joined, went away and got back.
I am glad to be here in general. Love the funny quotes, the humour and the transatlantic understanding. the Globalm communication.

But What is being forced on SubSimmers, to me - just another peaceful gamer, i cannot take at the moment, and am Mad as hell about how a perfectly good product i would have loved to buy, is being cut to pieces.

And yes i say loved. I have seen SHIII - i have seen CFSIII, i have seen FS9 and i have seen GWX.

I love what the Poly pushers, the system doers and the Code writers were about to finish.

Untill some "Greedy Upper level marketing Gurus" stepped in, and really messed it up.
For me at least.
I was looking forward to SHV and SoW-BoB this year. to a new IX/B or C.

It is this difference between love on the one hand, and hate on the other hand, that spawns this dissatisfaction in me, and the more i read about new bad news, the more fuel is poured into the flames.

Since i can not kick the people that 5broke SHV?) in the arse (physical relief), an am restricted to voice my opinion and wote with my wallet,
i use all means possible to relieve the pressure that is builing up in me.


untill i log off and have to study Linux or do some Excel. or the dishes.

[Brag]

Members are still mostly civil to each other. The outrage is against Ubi. There are very few Ubi defenders, so arguments are rare.

I used to defend Ubi before their announcement aboiut OSP, even then people were mostly civil to me. :DL

[AVGWarhawk]

It is madness I tell you....madness.......:o

Well no, it's a game.....

[JU_88]

It just a phase and it will pass - it always does. :haha:

[bigboywooly]

Hello, everyone!


I'm sure it's not just my eyebrowns which seems to be stucked to upper position, so I'd like to ask, what is happening to this forum, to us?

During the last 5 - 6 years which I have been a proud member of this forum, I have never seen this kind of venting and arguing between the members. Plus that only times I needed to report a bad topic or message, I could do it first in front of mirror. Sad, this has not been true during last couple days.

Especially I'm very dissapointed and surprised that members with maybe only 65 posts sent during last few years seems to think it appropriate to ask other, and often older members, to "move on from the forum", or the way especially Sailor Steve was treated yesterday by another member. This is something very unusual on this site, and raises many questions as this is happening just prior to the release of SH5.

I only hope evidently stupid DRM choice made by UBI won't raise new fights on the forum, that old battle axes could be burried, and that younger memebers of the forum take account the Subsim's honorable traditions and rules.


-RC-

Civilised so far apart from the odd one
Have seen far worse in the SH3 forum at times and indeed the SH4 but that was due to modding not the actual game itself :oops:

You cant blame ppl for being het up or annoyed
Most have been waiting for this for months and over the last couple of weeks its bombshell after bombshell
With OSP the last AND worst

[tater]

Members are still mostly civil to each other. The outrage is against Ubi. There are very few Ubi defenders, so arguments are rare.

I used to defend Ubi before their announcement aboiut OSP, even then people were mostly civil to me. :DL

I agree. It's really only a couple, low post count shills (I don't really think they are "real" members) that are stoked about the OSP scheme. This is NOT an insult to any of the legitimate new members or lurkers (welcome!).

In terms of the forum getting ugly, any REAL member (or even lurker) could get any of these threads ugly or locked in a heartbeat. In one post with the right content. Many members could easily segue it into a DRM thread (I could, somehow). :yep:

[Webster]

the angry mob has been "somewhat" reasonable but emotions have gotten to some.

overall for a crowd carrying pitchforks and torches over this DRM bombshell it has been less shall i say "out of control" as i was afraid it might get.

my poor mouse is on life support after clicking through so many posts so fast trying to keep up with it all and my request to the members would be to add to existing threads and not keep opening threads with a slightly different wording or phrase of a question. its easier for the other members and neal and the modderators to monitor and see all of your opinions.

IMO members taking less respectfull tones at times that has frayed the edges in some dissagreements but i think other then a few people they have been pretty well behaved most of the time

[onelifecrisis]

Yeah, as others have said this is pretty mild by SS standards. Mod fights get more heated than this, and as for General Topics... well suffice it to say that in there I got my one and only infraction by telling a fascist motherf... oh wait wait
ommmmmmmmmmmmmmm
ommmmmmmmmmmmm
ommmmmmmmmmmm
whale music
rainbows

[HundertzehnGustav]

*waves breaking on a beach*

[johan_d]

what happened? we are all here all of a sudden in end 1943, fighting radar, asdic and turn of the tides.. that what makes us all a Thompsen!

[Platapus]

During the last 5 - 6 years which I have been a proud member of this forum, I have never seen this kind of venting and arguing between the members.

You must not go to the General Topics forum much if you think this is bad



Especially I'm very dissapointed and surprised that members with maybe only 65 posts sent during the last few years seems to think it appropriate to ask other, and often older members, to "move on from the forum", or the way especially Sailor Steve was treated yesterday by another member. This is something very unusual on this site, and raises many questions as this is happening just prior to the release of SH5.

Everyone is entitled to post their opinion, including an opinion that people should move on. It is just an opinion. If you don't like it, you can simply ignore it. I don't think too many member are leaving this website just because one person said "move on".

I also think that post count is completely irrelevant to this issue. A person with 10 posts has as much a right to post their opinion as a person with 10,000 posts. And both posts are equally worthless at times. I hope that you are not inferring that a person with more posts is entitled to some level of respect based on their post count. F- That! An opinion is an opinion. You either agree with it or not, but they are all equal (equally good or equally bad)

[SteamWake]

It is madness I tell you....madness.......:o

Well no, it's a game.....

Cats and Dogs living together ! :o

[Red Heat]

We all aways find the away...give a little more time ( like some one said... give the peace a chance lol) i personaly think when finally the game its out in the stores the analise it will be deeper...may be its not a perfect game but with the help of everybody we will be ok one more time...

*Salute! :salute:

[McBeck]

Its the same everytime a SH is released :D

And yes...this i NOTHING compared to general topics :arrgh!:

[John Channing]

You think this is bad?

Just wait until about 36 hours after release! You won't recognize the place...

JCC

[AVGWarhawk]

You think this is bad?

Just wait until about 36 hours after release! You won't recognize the place...

JCC


Don't press the 'A' key! :o

[GREY WOLF 3]

:yeah:You think this is bad?

Just wait until about 36 hours after release! You won't recognize the place...

JCC
:yeah:

[longam]

GWX GWX GWX GWX GWX

What ever! :yawn:

[SteamWake]

Don't press the 'A' key! :o

HAH !!! memories !! :salute:

[Rosencrantz]

Brag wrote:


Members are still mostly civil to each other.


Yep, I agree. My aim was a little bit different.


Bigboywooly wrote:

You cant blame ppl for being het up or annoyed



No, I can't. Got heated up myself too, but still I think everyone here should try to behave.


John Channing wrote:

You think this is bad?

Just wait until about 36 hours after release! You won't recognize the place...



Exactly! :DL That was something I was thinking about too...


Platapus wrote:

I hope that you are not inferring that a person with more posts is entitled to some level of respect based on their post count. F- That!


Nope, at least not that straightforward you probably think I do. But the trouth is that if I go to some forum and find a guy who has been there a long time and has been active... Well, who I am to tell him what to do? I think this is true in our everyday life, so why shouldn't it be so also in different forums? Plus that I was also looking forward. Pitty us if this got out of hands... Once that I got some timeout from the forum and then got back I found a good guy who had given much to this forum wasn't here anymore because of some sort of problems. I wouldn't like to see something like that happen again. It's just that.

-RC-

[Nisgeis]

This Forum = On topic and slow burning disgruntlement. :doh:
General Topics = Thread about a boy scout with a pen knife turns to an argument over whether Finland was responsible for the slave trade in less than a page. :o

There are people here that have been lurking for a very long time and it often takes something emotive to get someone to sign up and post. That's good, because once they've signed up and posted for the first time, there's no stopping them and the community grows. All hail the new members - they're the future! :|\\

[urfisch]

its simple...

ubi made the people angry here. more angry than former progress on games made them. people rage against just beeing customers, who should buy things and shut up, without any opinion or critical positions.

:stare:

[TDK1044]

The DRM issue has defined the point of no return. For years, many members here have held back their opinions because Ubisoft is the only Publisher producing sub sims. There was therefore a 'don't bite the hand that feeds you' mentality here.

However, the DRM issue has been polarizing. There is no middle ground. You either agree that it's an inevitable evolution of the video game industry, or you see it as unacceptable and unnecessary.

That's what you're seeing play out here.

[Rosencrantz]

TDK wrote:

However, the DRM issue has been polarizing. There is no middle ground. You either agree that it's an inevitable evolution of the video game industry, or you see it as unacceptable and unnecessary.




I know, TDK. It's not that I'd like to take some midway course, or press others to do so. But the truth is that after I was a day off the forum, there's again one closed thread more - John W. Hamm's. That's something I was waiting for and that's why I set up this thread. Webster's official is closed, so you can't discuss there.


-RC-

[Platapus]

But the trouth is that if I go to some forum and find a guy who has been there a long time and has been active... Well, who I am to tell him what to do?

Well first of all, you can't tell anyone to do anything here. Only the forum owners and staff can do that. All you can do is post your opinion. Everyone has the right to, within the rules, to come here and post their opinion. Never confuse a person's opinion with fact...including your own. :know:. They are often quite different.

Second, it is folly to think that because someone has a high post count that they are posting anything with more authority then their opinion.

I reiterate: The opinions of a person with 10 posts is just as valuable as the opinions of people with 10,000 posts. I have gotten some very good advice from posters with low post accounts and I consistently ignore some posters with thousands of posts.

All high post count means is that you hit the "submit reply" button a lot, nothing more or less.

Opinions posted here should be evaluated on their logic and reason, not on post count. :nope:

[Takeda Shingen]

I think on the whole things have been rather civil.
There have been strong opinions and frank discussions, but on the whole
there haven't been and major infractions or insults.
I wouldn't expect that from all domains on the internet. It's a credit to
subsim's members.

There is, clearly, a minority set on picking a fight at every opportunity, but
they are being kept in check.

Agreed. With the exception of the occasional numbskull saying or doing something stupid, this has been a rather civilized affair. It's been nothing compared to General Topics during the last US Presidential election cycle. Now those were flames.

[Webchessie]

This is why I love this forum! Open discussion and respectful opinions . . . well most of them. However, we do need a little more decorum when it comes to some of the posts I've read in the last few days.

I think most of us want our beloved subsim not to become something negative and disrespectful - including the Ubi developers that read these posts and that we all rely on to make a great product.

[Steeltrap]

Well first of all, you can't tell anyone to do anything here. Only the forum owners and staff can do that.

Second, it is folly to think that because someone has a high post count that they are posting anything with more authority then their opinion.

I reiterate: The opinions of a person with 10 posts is just as valuable as the opinions of people with 10,000 posts. I have gotten some very good advice from posters with low post accounts and I consistently ignore some posters with thousands of posts.

All high post count means is that you hit the "submit reply" button a lot, nothing more or less.

Opinions posted here should be evaluated on their logic and reason, not on post count. :nope:

Agree regarding the fact that post-count is not especially relevant.

I do think there is a point to being careful about the way you behave in general, and possibly more so towards those members who have been in the community for a long time. If you walk into a club as a new member it is generally a wise policy to consider how you act to all members, and particularly those who seem to get some level of deference due to their longstanding membership.

Now, the fact that I've got a relatively low post-count compared with my relatively long-term membership has nothing to do with these views....

:D

[Platapus]

Case in point.

You have been a member of this forum for about 5 years longer than I have

I have about 3,600 more posts than you do.

Q: Who deserves more "respect"?

A: We both deserve the exact same amount of respect

Is your opinion on a matter more valuable because you have been a member way longer than I have?

Is my opinion on a matter more valuable because I have been way more active on this site than you have?

Answers to both is no, of course not. Both your opinion and my opinion need to stand on their own merits (logic, reasoning, research, analysis...).

The fact that you have been a member longer or that I have been a more active member really should have no influence.

I would be very disappointed in this site if it devolved into a situation where "senior members" can do such and such while "junior member" can't. One of the attractive aspects of this site is that there is no feeling of "seniority" and that poster's opinions were challenged (sometimes attacked) based on their opinion and not on their "age".

[Steeltrap]

Plat, I agree with you. My point about how long someone has been a member was more in the sense that a new member would do well to consider that before posting something particularly obnoxious, if only for the reason that the longer someone has been around the more likely it is they will have plenty of support. Other than that it's simply a question of courtesy.

I would never advocate any sort of 'seniority' system other than the moderators and Neal. The 'equality' in this forum is one of its attractions, and I am opposed to 'seniority by tenure' as a matter of principle.

[Webster]

Case in point.

You have been a member of this forum for about 5 years longer than I have

I have about 3,600 more posts than you do.

Q: Who deserves more "respect"?

A: We both deserve the exact same amount of respect




a distintion should be made in the respect for the validity of anyones opinion which is all opinions are equal and the reader desides who has made the better point. and the earned respect we have for a long time member who we feel we know and its human nature to allign yourself with people you feel you know.

the fact that long time members have usually built up a reputation (good or bad) and the reputation of a long time member will usually garner them the benefit of the doubt in a tie situation of equally valid points being made because we feel we know them better having read numerous opinions they have given over time. its human nature to allign yourself with people you feel you know.

[Steeltrap]

a distintion should be made in the respect for the validity of anyones opinion which is all opinions are equal and the reader desides who has made the better point. and the earned respect we have for a long time member who we feel we know and its human nature to allign yourself with people you feel you know.

the fact that long time members have usually built up a reputation (good or bad) and the reputation of a long time member will usually garner them the benefit of the doubt in a tie situation of equally valid points being made because we feel we know them better having read numerous opinions they have given over time. its human nature to allign yourself with people you feel you know.

What would you know, n00b?

:har:

(j/k of course!)

The rules apply equally to everyone, as they should....breaking the rules in a way that's aimed at a long-term member might possibly make the wider community a little less sympathetic to a newcomer. That seems about right to me.

[HundertzehnGustav]

dont forget one factor... KNOWLEDGE.

people that lurk and read a lot, yet have a low post count, might know somethig.
people that are greenhorns, have the same post count as the lurkers, that are new to the genre... know less.

to put it nicely.

And whiole i am all for fresh blood, i come from the flight sims (moving fast, reacting quick...) i cringe at the thought of SHV going to be a "First person experience"... and attract "all sorts" of people from "other" genres of games.

People like this.
YIKES!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0urxCKJCkQ

[Jaeger]

Case in point.

You have been a member of this forum for about 5 years longer than I have

I have about 3,600 more posts than you do.

Q: Who deserves more "respect"?

A: We both deserve the exact same amount of respect

Is your opinion on a matter more valuable because you have been a member way longer than I have?

Is my opinion on a matter more valuable because I have been way more active on this site than you have?

Answers to both is no, of course not. Both your opinion and my opinion need to stand on their own merits (logic, reasoning, research, analysis...).

The fact that you have been a member longer or that I have been a more active member really should have no influence.

I would be very disappointed in this site if it devolved into a situation where "senior members" can do such and such while "junior member" can't. One of the attractive aspects of this site is that there is no feeling of "seniority" and that poster's opinions were challenged (sometimes attacked) based on their opinion and not on their "age".

very good post! i absolutely agree.

[Jimbuna]

Opinions are like ar$eholes....we all have one.

The only difference being....some are smellier than others.

:DL

Seriously though....a year or so back topics/subjects could get more heated, but that was usually down to modding and not the actual game itself.

All in all, a great community http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[Platapus]

Opinions are like ar$eholes....we all have one.

The only difference being....some are smellier than others.

:DL



If I may offer a more accurate representation:

Opinions are like farts

1. Every a$$hole has them
2. They stink to everyone else, but are not so bad to the individual

:D

[Lord Justice]

Sir Rosencrantz, Disorder!! my dear fellow, with mixed intentions, thats what. :arrgh!:

[oscar19681]

Hello, everyone!


I'm sure it's not just my eyebrowns which seems to be stucked to upper position, so I'd like to ask, what is happening to this forum, to us?

During the last 5 - 6 years which I have been a proud member of this forum, I have never seen this kind of venting and arguing between the members. Plus that only times I needed to report a bad topic or message, I could do it first in front of mirror. Sad, this has not been true during last couple days.

Especially I'm very dissapointed and surprised that members with maybe only 65 posts sent during the last few years seems to think it appropriate to ask other, and often older members, to "move on from the forum", or the way especially Sailor Steve was treated yesterday by another member. This is something very unusual on this site, and raises many questions as this is happening just prior to the release of SH5.

I only hope evidently stupid DRM choice made by UBI won't raise new fights on the forum, that old battle axes could be burried, and that younger members of the forum take account the Subsim's honourable traditions and rules.


-RC-

Well said could not have said it better myself! I mean my opinion personally about this matter is , i also hate DRM myself but it seems nothing is gonna change UBI strange dissision so it seems. I mean everything there is to say about the matter has been said. And this forum is about sh-5 and not about the DRM.

[Onkel Neal]

This is why I love this forum! Open discussion and respectful opinions . . . well most of them. However, we do need a little more decorum when it comes to some of the posts I've read in the last few days.

I think most of us want our beloved subsim not to become something negative and disrespectful - including the Ubi developers that read these posts and that we all rely on to make a great product.

Thank you, I like to hear that. Yes,we want people to feel welcome to express their opinions, agree or disagree, but we have to watch out for the sad drama queens who live for the chance to cause disharmony and chaos--this is the internet. So, don't rely on just the moderators to keep things mature and respectful, we need members like you to lend a hand.

gracias
Neal

[karamazovnew]

but we have to watch out for the sad drama queens who live for the chance to cause disharmony and chaos--this is the internet. So, don't rely on just the moderators to keep things mature and respectful, we need members like you to lend a hand.
Neal

There are posts that don't really require an answer. You don't need to put your hand in every fire you see, just to check if it burns like the others. Simply ignoring offensive of silly posts will rob them of their oxygen. "Think twice and then say nothing." That's my girlfriends motto for when I say something stupid. And she's 11 :D

kiddin...

[Webster]

"Think twice and then say nothing." That's my girlfriends motto

wow, you found a girl who will say nothing? thats hard to believe :hmmm:

[karamazovnew]

I did say I was kidding didn't I?

Currently alone anyway... whyyyyy?! :nope:
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee216/Daeikis/zoidberg-why-1.png

[Steeltrap]

Umm, judging by that picture, you're alone because you have crabs?

[mookiemookie]

That's my girlfriends motto for when I say something stupid. And she's 11 :D

kiddin...

Pedobear, is that you? :D http://versatile1.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/pedobear.png?w=200&h=324

[karamazovnew]

Pedobear, is that you?

Of course not :shifty:

http://www.randomblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/306_panda_dance.gif

[Rosencrantz]

4Para wrote:

Sir Rosencrantz, Disorder!! my dear fellow, with mixed intentions, thats what. :arrgh!:



At ease, 4Para! How dare you give orders to me, your honoured senior member in the Subsim?!? How dare you...! :O:


-RC-

[Rosencrantz]

Platapus wrote:

All you can do is post your opinion. Everyone has the right to, within the rules, to come here and post their opinion.



I think we are not talking about the same thing at all. Opinion is an opinion, everyone has right to have one and state it. What I'm talking about is how to do your statement, how to express your opinion. And then we run into respect.

"If you want respect, you have to show it yourself. Otherwise you can go to h***." That's my opinion.


-RC-

[Buddahaid]

Yeah, as others have said this is pretty mild by SS standards. Mod fights get more heated than this, and as for General Topics... well suffice it to say that in there I got my one and only infraction by telling a fascist motherf... oh wait wait
ommmmmmmmmmmmmmm
ommmmmmmmmmmmm
ommmmmmmmmmmm
whale music
rainbows

Oooh, the brainwashing software developed here is working! I've got to tell the wo....r.....er..........lllll........... (passes out from brain hurting).:dead:

[TwistedFemur]

Hello, everyone!


I'm sure it's not just my eyebrowns which seems to be stucked to upper position, so I'd like to ask, what is happening to this forum, to us?

During the last 5 - 6 years which I have been a proud member of this forum, I have never seen this kind of venting and arguing between the members. Plus that only times I needed to report a bad topic or message, I could do it first in front of mirror. Sad, this has not been true during last couple days.

Especially I'm very dissapointed and surprised that members with maybe only 65 posts sent during the last few years seems to think it appropriate to ask other, and often older members, to "move on from the forum", or the way especially Sailor Steve was treated yesterday by another member. This is something very unusual on this site, and raises many questions as this is happening just prior to the release of SH5.

I only hope evidently stupid DRM choice made by UBI won't raise new fights on the forum, that old battle axes could be burried, and that younger members of the forum take account the Subsim's honourable traditions and rules.


-RC-


We are nearing crush depth.

[Brag]

Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbuna http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1254095#post1254095)
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/6918/seacow.jpg (http://img683.imageshack.us/i/seacow.jpg/)

We'll be saved by Moo Fish!

[martes86]

I'm sure it's not just my eyebrowns which seems to be stucked to upper position, so I'd like to ask, what is happening to this forum, to us?

Well, it seems DRM has centralized all discussions in the SH5 department. I posted some news regarding moddability, and for the moment, all the answer there was to it, was a simple "Moo". Which is fine by me (funny thing how cows are now the flagship of this subforum :har: ), though seeing how there was some people asking for stuff other than DRM (news, positive thinking...), I thought such news would get a faster response.

Anyways, this will be over soon (I hope). :rock:

[Rosencrantz]

Marte86 wrote:

Anyways, this will be over soon (I hope). :rock:



Yep, I hope so too. :up:


-RC-

[walrusbomb]

RC, good to see some still take this forum as seriously as you do.

[Kresge]

I'm hoping that once SHV is out and people have a chance to get into it the discussions of historical/technical topics will return. I haven't been around for a while and was eager for new information, but trying to sift through 57 separate threads of DRM bitching is getting weary.

[daft]

I'm hoping that once SHV is out and people have a chance to get into it the discussions of historical/technical topics will return. I haven't been around for a while and was eager for new information, but trying to sift through 57 separate threads of DRM bitching is getting weary.

Agreed. I came back, as I always do close to a release of a new SH, and found the forum to be in a shocking state. It's sad I suppose. We are all driven by our passion for submarines and history, so it is understandable that we all get a bit disappointed at some revelations. Still, this is getting a bit out of hand.

[Galanti]

Thread about a boy scout with a pen knife turns to an argument over whether Finland was responsible for the slave trade in less than a page. :o

The most ridiculous thing I've read all day, everybody knows Latvia was responsible for the slave trade.

On the whole, though, I agree the board has been mostly civil. Any other game board would look like Jonestown by now. Disclosure: I lost my temper today and was suitably chastised for it.

But unfortunately, I don't see heat dying down anytime soon. I predict it will peak and then go supernova sometime around March 10.

However, I have full confidence that our common passion for subs and subsimming, and the generally high personal integrity of members here will see us through, with the help of fine Scotch.

[fromhell]

yeah man:haha:

[Rosencrantz]

RC, good to see some still take this forum as seriously as you do.


Hello, Walrusbomb!

I'm not sure if your statement was meant to be sarcastic, but yes, I have taken and I'm still taking this forum quite seriously. I have enjoyed to visit here, and I (still) think this forum is full of people with skill and knowledge. So, this arguing... well, I'm getting wordless. But, to be frank, I can't agree with such statements like "board has been mostly civil". I think it hasn't. Since first DRM fights there has been at least John W. Hamm's case couple days ago, The General case yesteday, and now DRM discussion has been heating up again. I would not call that "normal" nor "civil".

But, who cares...


-RC-

[Bilge_Rat]

If I can offer my comments as a long time lurker, the forum always seems to heat up before the release of a new SH since many new/returning members pop up and there is nothing better to do than to discuss rumors.

Is it worse than before? hard to say, there were many heated threads prior to SHIII on the copy protection, starforce if I recall.

However two things are certain:

1. SH V is only a game and no matter in what state it is released, it will be very unimportant in the grand scheme of things; and

2. one month after release, the forum will be back to its normal semi-torpor...


:ahoy:

[Lord Justice]

The General case yesteday, and now DRM discussion has been heating up again. I would not call that "normal" nor "civil".

But, who cares...


-RC-Sir Rosencrantz, so sensible and good natured a man, might i ask, is it just? is it so meek and helpless, irreparable to not care? Perhaps i can offer you a brandy, other than that , i have nothing to inform of but that my lurking has been.. (of recent silence, due to the folly and imprudence of a considerable body of members,).. very tedious, and that iam still about. Although, i had met my apprehensions. Good Day sir :yawn: