Unexpected Turn

[Brag]

Big surprise!
Yesterday's poll Will DRM affect your . . . in the Sticky section
showed 18% of members would buy SH5 regardless of DRM

So I predicted a loss of 50% of people who would buy.

This morning, that group was reduced to 13%
This indicates a significant trend. Very seldom one sees such unanimous opinion.

Ubi, pay attention to the voice of your clients.

[urfisch]

unexspected?

:hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

I wonder what figure represents in actual unit costs :hmmm:

[tomfon]

I wonder what figure represents in actual unit costs :hmmm:

Also, how many will be using an ''unofficial way'' of playing the game given that this ''way'' is going to be provided??? :D

:ping:

[Brag]

Also, how many will be using an ''unofficial way'' of playing the game given that this ''way'' is going to be provided??? :D

:ping:

Originally Posted by jimbuna http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1251322#post1251322)
I wonder what figure represents in actual unit costs :hmmm:

My guestimate is our group is representative of at least 20,000 (Neal would have more accurate figures)that owuld represent a loss of 17,400clients at let's say 20 Euros each. That's 348,000 euros.

We don't have data to calculate the bad mouth effect, negative news coverage and reviews

Ubis marketing dingalings are in for a rough ride.

[tomfon]

Originally Posted by jimbuna http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1251322#post1251322)
I wonder what figure represents in actual unit costs :hmmm:

My guestimate is our group is representative of at least 20,000 (Neal would have more accurate figures)that owuld represent a loss of 17,400clients at let's say 20 Euros each. That's 348,000 euros.

We don't have data to calculate the bad mouth effect, negative news coverage and reviews

Ubis marketing dingalings are in for a rough ride.

I guess we will have to wait and see.

[Onkel Neal]

Just a friendly reminder, getting "I wonder how many people will rip off the game", not a good idea here. ;)

[FIREWALL]

Let's clear the air.

You can download Rise of Flight alot of places free.


YOU JUST CAN'T PLAY IT !!!

It's just hard drive filler.

So all the pirateing in the world isn't going to make a pirated SH5 playable.

[Letum]

Who mentioned RoF in this thread?

Besides, not quite just a HDD filler. It's being used in timeshare with Australians one one account. ;)

[Nickolas]

Let's clear the air.

You can download Rise of Flight alot of places free.


YOU JUST CAN'T PLAY IT !!!

It's just hard drive filler.

So all the pirateing in the world isn't going to make a pirated SH5 playable.


is this the "uncrackable DRM" discussion all over again? :rotfl2:
allow me to quote Dowly "if it was made by a man, it can be cracked by another".

[HundertzehnGustav]

Originally Posted by jimbuna http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1251322#post1251322)
I wonder what figure represents in actual unit costs :hmmm:


We don't have data to calculate the bad mouth effect, negative news coverage and reviews

Ubis marketing dingalings are in for a rough ride.


Subsim aint the only place with people wondering about this DRM or OSA or GTF or HYS or whatever.
There are many Gamer forums, simmer forums, and real world discussions. and none of them were PRO - Ubisoft marketing.
They all shake their heads. Except those who dont care about the future.

[Sulikate]

is this the "uncrackable DRM" discussion all over again? :rotfl2:
allow me to quote Dowly "if it was made by a man, it can be cracked by another".
True. It surprises me some still believe one can build an inexpugnable wall.

[Méo]

We don't have data to calculate the bad mouth effect, negative news coverage and reviews

Seems like a big paradox to me!

Negative news coverage has already started ...even before seeing some real reviews.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the whole DRM thing is a good one, but for my part, I'm gonna wait to read some in-depth reviews & comments here by credible members before making a decision about whether or not I buy the game.

[FIREWALL]

Who mentioned RoF in this thread?

Besides, not quite just a HDD filler. It's being used in timeshare with Australians one one account. ;)


It was a current example letum.

The majority of simmers can't play RoF nor will be able with SH5 that way.

[prowler3]

Seems like a big paradox to me!

Negative news coverage has already started ...even before seeing some real reviews.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the whole DRM thing is a good one, but for my part, I'm gonna wait to read some in-depth reviews & comments here by credible members before making a decision about whether or not I buy the game.

Sorta puts a big Kibosh on the entire "pre-buy" thing...don't it? :rotfl2:

Why anyone would "pre-buy" a PC game is beyond me, anyway. "Support the developers"? Support their bad habit of releasing unfinished BS, maybe. This entire DRM thing lends much more creedance to my phylosophy...I don't spend a dime on anything, until it is working and working the way I expect it to. Patches and updates are things for the unfortunate souls who buy into the entire "support the developers" myth.

When and if I ever pay a dime to have SHV...it will be a completely patched up and DRM free version, with all bugs worked out as much as they are willing to fix. If that version is not acceptable, by listening to you users, then I will gladly continue my SHIII+GWX campaigns and not miss SHV a bit.

I will rely on all the poor people who pre-bought SHV to give the rest of us the real "skinny" on how it's working and the progression of the "patches".

I gotta say it..."I told you so!"

[Task Force]

so, after doing alittle math from the will you buy poll, If they market it at 50 dollars which is average for new games if I rember.... they have lost 31,800 dollars. just from subsim...

[Hartmann]

It´s like black may in 1943 for UBI , in a short period the damage done to SHV was too high that they had to retire of the battle. ( less sales and loss of people and money)

[Dutch]

Let's clear the air.

You can download Rise of Flight alot of places free.


YOU JUST CAN'T PLAY IT !!!

It's just hard drive filler.

So all the pirateing in the world isn't going to make a pirated SH5 playable.


And that is exactly why over intrusive protection software fails. You underestimate everything. Where there is a will there is a way.

Remember it only took one man with a rifle and three bullets to kill the worlds most powerful man. Never say Never........again.....

[Zoomer96]

All of this discussion is moot for me. I am already having to purchase something I do not want (a U Boat sim) which I am buying to support Ubisoft hoping that SH6 will be back in the Pacific where the series belongs. As long as I have the funds available I will have an internet connection but, the economics are thinning out the herd so to speak and I cannot say that I won't have some kind of situation that would cause me to drop my ISP. The health of my family and pets will always come before my leisure time activities. I won't be pirating the game though. I couldn't crack it with a nut cracker! However in my opinion, if it ain't showing up on the bit torrent sites, nobody else will be playing it but subsim.com members. The news about the modding tools is a plus I suppose, if you know how to do mods. I am wondering will we be able to hear the sound of the ASDIC hitting the hull during gameplay?

[andycaccia]

I guess some of the nay-sayers will buy sh5 at the end...maybe not everyone, but some will.

[Reece]

I guess some of the nay-sayers will buy sh5 at the end...maybe not everyone, but some will.Yep!! When there's a no DRM patch!:yep:

[tennozan]

I found this today as I did a quick internet search on Ubisoft and DRM:

http://pendr4gon.blogspot.com/2010/01/ubisoft-plans-mandatory-online.html

Food for thought perhaps. Well, I've gone back to enjoying Silent Hunter 3 and will have to hope that Silent Hunter 5 returns to base for critical repairs before sailing our way. If it were my company, I'd announce a strategic delay, dump the mandatory online scheme, launch a major PR effort to regain my customer base and try and be very transparent at this point - in other words, avoid "spin" and hiding behind excuses like "this is simply the way the market / culture / technology is forcing us to go, blah, blah." I mean, you're publishing a U-Boat simulator right? Read your history books guys. To hell with what everybody else is doing in the market. Just be different and your customers will rally to you - load your torpedoes and launch 'em.

Well, I'm just a customer. Now, I've got orders to report to Lorient before the wife stirs and then I'll need to make my way to the galley to feed my crew. Good hunting all.

[HundertzehnGustav]

LOL i just reported back there, with a Kingfisher shot down (was taken by surprise) and the DDs that followed the Kingfisher had me mauled pretty well.

Ay Ay Ay, the Bay of Biskay!:o

:yeah:

[Onkel Neal]

is this the "uncrackable DRM" discussion all over again? :rotfl2:
allow me to quote Dowly "if it was made by a man, it can be cracked by another".

Yeah, and if it was made uncrackable by man, then men can't crack it :haha:

[oscar19681]

Big surprise!
Yesterday's poll Will DRM affect your . . . in the Sticky section
showed 18% of members would buy SH5 regardless of DRM

So I predicted a loss of 50% of people who would buy.

This morning, that group was reduced to 13%
This indicates a significant trend. Very seldom one sees such unanimous opinion.

Ubi, pay attention to the voice of your clients.

Well if i must believe an UBI official who said . " we do not believe DRM will effect sailes at all " they have nothing to worry about. But i think they wil be sorry they ever choose to go for DRM. Esspecially concidering the fact that they dont listen to there own clients that have even warned them well in time to consider dumping DRM

[Jimbuna]

Yeah, and if it was made uncrackable by man, then men can't crack it :haha:

But a woman could....just out of spite if nothing else :rotfl2:

[JU_88]

Big surprise!
Yesterday's poll Will DRM affect your . . . in the Sticky section
showed 18% of members would buy SH5 regardless of DRM

So I predicted a loss of 50% of people who would buy.

This morning, that group was reduced to 13%
This indicates a significant trend. Very seldom one sees such unanimous opinion.

Ubi, pay attention to the voice of your clients.

Brag, If you somehow turn out to be right, (about a 50% loss) then it may also have sealed the fate of the SH franchise.
So excuse me for not joining in any victory celebrations just yet.

[TwistedFemur]

I think Neal is getting the keys for this thread

[Brag]

Brag, If you somehow turn out to be right, (about a 50% loss) then it may also have sealed the fate of the SH franchise.
So excuse me for not joining in any victory celebrations just yet.

If that happens there will be no reason to celebrate

We want Ubi to reconsider and save itself. They obviously did not think this thing through. Now, they are probably perplexed at the massive negative reaction

[MercurySeven]

Brag, If you somehow turn out to be right, (about a 50% loss) then it may also have sealed the fate of the SH franchise.
So excuse me for not joining in any victory celebrations just yet.

Well, even though I would be cautious about the impact that DRM will have on the sales (negative, yes, but HOW negative exactly ...) IF UBI should face such problems they would simply have to take a look in their own forum to read the reason why sales are low and a possible cure ( "The Holy Patch" ). If I was in management at UBI and my product would suck at sales I'd at least try to regain those that claim to hold out until the online requirements are dropped. Then all there is to do is hope that enough people notice and run happily to the store and buy SH5. :DL

[KL-alfman]

and a possible cure ( "The Holy Patch" ).


quoted! :DL