What happens if you sink a neutral ship in GWX 3.0?

[Rangoon]

If I sink an unlit ship which is flying the flag of Norway in October 1939 (they become Allies in Sept. 1940), am I penalized? At what point do I know something is wrong - not until after the mission is over and I'm back in port?

Thanks!

[psykopatsak]

i almost think negative renown, but im not sure at all, so dont go by my answer. just dotn sink the neutrals, and be an honorable kaleun.

[Task Force]

you looser reown, and said ships country is at war with you for... 24hrs I think...

[Sailor Steve]

Same as the stock game - you will lose the same renown you would have won had the ship been an enemy. If it's worth 230 renown, that's how much you will lose.

[Laufen zum Ziel]

Bad thing is you will have everyone in the world trying to kill you. :arrgh!:

[Rangoon]

I almost sunk the Norwegian ship, but just as I was about to fire the torpedo I was able to *just barely* make out the flag (this was around midnight). I'd been tracking the ship four 4 hours (game time) and set up a perfect 90-degree shot, had the unlit ship coming to zero degrees gyro when I just spotted the faint cross and then saw some color and the whole crew let out a sigh of disappointment.

So why are they running without lights? They're *asking* to be sunk! :arrgh!:

The same ship 11 months later would be fair game, but I assume the "Flaggen" tool in GWX has accurate dates for neutrality and allegiance.

Oh well. At least I didn't fire. Door was open, finger on the trigger, straining to see the flag before he came to zero degrees on the gyro.

What a ride though!

[Tweety]

This brings a question to my mind.

If the neutral ship is unlit and in a convoy. Is it still a neutral that cost renown against you or is fair game.

I'm thinking if a neutral ship is lit in a convoy, then it is neutral. But if the ship is unlit in a convoy than it is the enemy and deserves to be sunk.

Tweety

[Sailor Steve]

I forgot about the 'enemy' part. Yes, if you sink a neutral (or friendly), that nation considers you an enemy for 24 hours.

So why are they running without lights? They're *asking* to be sunk! :arrgh!:
Because in the stock game there were no lighted ships at all. They were created for a mod and ended up in GWX, so some are lighted and some are not, just like real life.

The same ship 11 months later would be fair game, but I assume the "Flaggen" tool in GWX has accurate dates for neutrality and allegiance.
That's absolutely correct.

Oh well. At least I didn't fire. Door was open, finger on the trigger, straining to see the flag before he came to zero degrees on the gyro.

What a ride though!
I know that feeling well, and yes it is quite the experience.:sunny:

[unterseemann]

I sank a panamean tanker in convoy, unlit, bad visibility in feb 1941. negative renown ( patrol renown was around only 100pts ...:down:) but i can live with it and think i was right to do that

[KL-alfman]

in my current career an US-vessel was hit by me in spring 1941.
had very foggy sight and guns at stern and midships were enough for me to consider her "enemy". I then recognized my big mistake and hurried away. she had probably sunk but I was out of range already!
pheewww that was close

[Obltn Strand]

This brings a question to my mind.

If the neutral ship is unlit and in a convoy. Is it still a neutral that cost renown against you or is fair game.

I'm thinking if a neutral ship is lit in a convoy, then it is neutral. But if the ship is unlit in a convoy than it is the enemy and deserves to be sunk.

Tweety

With GWX 3,0 I attacked a convoy early in war sailing near british coast. I scored two hits on a large cargo which sinked of course. All ships were darkened and escorted. When I returned to base in my horror I noticed that had sinked some 7000 tons of neutral shipping. It was only ship I had sunked during patrol. Anyway got positive renown for it.

Happened to me only once.
Any similar incidents?

[Rangoon]

Anyway got positive renown for it.

You got positive renown for sinking the unlit neutral ships within a convoy? Or your net renown for the patrol was positive?

And I think this answers my question - you may not know whether what you sunk was neutral until you get back to port, right?

And thirdly, neutral ships escorted by Allied ships in a convoy are still neutral?

[Randomizer]

If you sink a hospital ship in GWX your career will end and you will be shot when you return to base. No kidding.

[Obltn Strand]

You got positive renown for sinking the unlit neutral ships within a convoy? Or your net renown for the patrol was positive?

During that patrol I sinked only one ship which was neutral. I got positive renown.

And I think this answers my question - you may not know whether what you sunk was neutral until you get back to port, right?

Or pressing Esc

And thirdly, neutral ships escorted by Allied ships in a convoy are still neutral?

After docking to port final scores showed it neutral.

It was about year ago. But I'm pretty sure I remember the situation correctly. I wasn't looking any flags because it was radio reported enemy convoy.
Be more agressive they say.

[Obltn Strand]

Time to cut wings from this rumour.

I sinked following ships:

Large Cargo 7441 tons
Modern Tanker 8816 tons (Neutral, sailing in enemy convoy)
Modern Tanker 8814 tons
Large Merchant 11 041 tons (to BillCar: hit from 3800m, confirmed, give or take some 10m. Doesn't beat your 4000m but close enough)
Whale Factory Ship 12 016
Coastal Freighter 1870
Empire-type Freighter 7401
S-class Submarine 767

Hull Integrity 94,69%
Total renown: 1510

Now if someone would tell me how to count renown in GWX3 so I can get this over with.

Or even better. Do the math for me so I can concentrate on my friday night patrolling:arrgh!:

[Sailor Steve]

Time to cut wings from this rumour.
Look in the file Ubisoft/Silent Hunter III/Data/Cfg/Basic. You will see the exact renown applications.

Enemy: +1
Neutral: -1
Friendly: -10

Not a rumor at all. Doesn't matter if they are lit or not. Doesn't matter if they are escorted or not. If you sank a bunch of enemy ships and one or two neutrals, of course your overal score will be positive.

[Obltn Strand]

:oops:just did the math.

Maybe I should cut back my saturday hobbies:dead: