[FAUXPAS] Game pauses, when Internet Connection is lost!

[urfisch]

I had to make this poor fact into a thread.

That means with other words, the same **** as with steam-games like COH, etc (in COH you can interrupt the connection, after starting the game).

These Games are not really mod-or playable. Think of all the people, who just have dial in, or pay-per-time connections. Everytime, you want to test a mod, you have to go online! No playing in the countryside, when visiting grandma and grandpa or at longer journeys in the train. No playing for all the people, who have no permanent Internet Connection.

AND

In case of server laggs, or breakdowns: PAUSED

:88)

Nice invention. Really nice invention, UBI. The helplessness of stopping dramatically decreasing income, will not be changed by these measures. Far from it!

UBI not seems to recognize, most of the people are bored of the decreasing quality of games, they produce. Beside the fact of extremly grotty support. The strategy of making fast money is the killer of their revenue. Not the software piracy. Remeber "ANNO"? The game crashed often and remained unplayable for month, due to a missing patch! Unbelievable.

:doh:

They lost many honest customers through this kind of business strategy. And they even will lost more.

:arrgh!:

[McBeck]

Do you have a reference to this opinion to back it up? These days there are MANY opinions stated as fact...

[BulSoldier]

WE know for sure that without constant internet connection you cant play the game.
You cant start the game without being conected to internet and if at any point your internet fails or something happens to their servers your game pauses and resumes only if connection is resumed.If you quit it will be saved...
It especially annoying to me since my gaming pc is in naval academy dormitory where there is no internet and my computer cant recieve wireless.So what i am supposed to do to play the game ? Sadly only one thing, to install the old sh3gwxolcmfm ...
Im sorry I uninstalled the game when i heard of sh5...Truly sorry.

[McBeck]

True, that you cant play the game unless you are online, but where does it say its not modable?

[BulSoldier]

The problem is that if it autoupdates without asking (as other members of subsim said happens with other games) it will overwrite the moded files and the mod goes to the bin. Noone said if it will be so but noone denied it either so it is up to speculation for now.But it is better to prepare for worst and hope for the best.

[McBeck]

I agree that its speculation how DRM affects the mods...we will have to wait and see and decide then. I would much rather remain neutral and wait for facts, than either prepare for the worst (how can we do that) or asume the best.

[BulSoldier]

By not getting my hopes up.

[martes86]

Do you have a reference to this opinion to back it up?

I think it was an answered question in the new system Q&A.

[Reece]

True, that you cant play the game unless you are onlineBut why should I have to be online to play a single player game offline!! Talk about controlling!! and opening my system to all sorts of spyware intrusions, can't see any sound reason why I should have to stay online for the entire game, it's quite scary!!:nope:

[vickers03]

if the connection is lost, game will pause once but it will
resume even if it can't connect again.

[BulSoldier]

as far as i know it wont resume unless connected again.If not it will save your progress if you chose to quit (probably).

[ReallyDedPoet]

The problem is that if it autoupdates without asking (as other members of subsim said happens with other games) it will overwrite the moded files and the mod goes to the bin. Noone said if it will be so but noone denied it either so it is up to speculation for now.But it is better to prepare for worst and hope for the best.

There was an auto-update with SH4, but only if you selected it, there is an option not to :yep:

[vickers03]

from Q&A about the new Ubisoft online platform (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=160807)

What will happen if I lose my Internet connection when I play the game?
If you lose your Internet connection the game will pause while it tries to reconnect. If the Internet Connection is unable to resume you can continue the game from where you left off or from the last saved game.

[McBeck]

But why should I have to be online to play a single player game offline!! Talk about controlling!! and opening my system to all sorts of spyware intrusions, can't see any sound reason why I should have to stay online for the entire game, it's quite scary!!:nope:Your right - that does not make sense

[badkarma]

from Q&A about the new Ubisoft online platform (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=160807)

What will happen if I lose my Internet connection when I play the game?
If you lose your Internet connection the game will pause while it tries to reconnect. If the Internet Connection is unable to resume you can continue the game from where you left off or from the last saved game.

That needs some clarification..

You can continue the game from where you left off or from the last saved game.. when you DO get a connection again, be that minutes or days later.

You can continue the game from where you left off or from the last saved game.. as soon as this small pause is over and everything will continue, save, and work as you would expect and re-sync itself when you do next get a connection.

2 VERY different situations. The way everything has read so far, it's the first one I'm afraid.

[McBeck]

I cant understand why they didnt implement this like Steam did...:damn:

[<Jason>]

this is disappointing to me because i have a powerful laptop as well as a desktop and when i travel by plane, i will not be able to play. looks like its back to reading books :arrgh!:

ahhh...the old days of a disc and cd key...cd's keys don't seem so bad now huh guys :hmmm:

[Webster]

from Q&A about the new Ubisoft online platform (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=160807)

What will happen if I lose my Internet connection when I play the game?
If you lose your Internet connection the game will pause while it tries to reconnect. If the Internet Connection is unable to resume you can continue the game from where you left off or from the last saved game.

to me that sounds like they mean "once you reconnect" not continue playing offline.

note they only said "you can continue the game from where you left off "

[fromhell]

thats what i understood

[Westbroek]

If it's true that saved games are being stored online, then it's the only interpretation of that statement that makes sense. No way to load a saved game unless you wait to reconnect to the server. However long that takes.
My biggest concern stems from my repeated frustrations in the past with signing in to (try to) play multiplayer games with SH4. Sketchy...always very sketchy.
Man, I'm so bummed out with all this.

[BulSoldier]

Your savegame will be stored localy aswell but that has no point since without connection to their server you cant play.

[Westbroek]

I see. Sure seems redundant though, to have saved games stored locally and online if you can only play online...
I've been holding my tongue because I figure I don't know all the details. But, man, what a bad call this seems to be.

[BulSoldier]

Thats actually not that bad since if one fails (even in the current situation) you will be able to play.And by fail i mean file corruption.

If their server go down , well you are screwed.

[Westbroek]

Having been following the build up to SH5 for months, the phrase, "you are screwed" is something I'm beginning to become very familiar with.

[BulSoldier]

If it is any comfort to you, you are not the only one being scr**** :)

[Webster]

I see. Sure seems redundant though, to have saved games stored locally and online if you can only play online...
I've been holding my tongue because I figure I don't know all the details. But, man, what a bad call this seems to be.

the way i understand it is it is saved on your computer and you duplicate save it on UBI server so you can play on another computer like at work or your girlfriends house (providing your wife doesnt know about it) and you can load up your saved game and continue it there, then at home you can load up and save your progress on your main system.

the DRM thing doesnt sound all that bad but it needs to be an optional connection feature and not mandatory IMO. i think thats why it keeps failing everywhere they try it because its forced upon you without a choice.

[Westbroek]

Webster, ah, well put.
If they are going to pitch the DRM as providing features that will benefit the player in the long run (which didn't really make sense to me until you put it the way you did), let's hope they don't shag us from every which way to make up for it.
You're right, if it weren't mandatory, I would be :rock: right now.

[conus00]

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk234/conus00/SHV.jpg

[Westbroek]

:haha:
Brilliant

[Iron Budokan]

Absolutely brilliant. That, sir, is top notch work. :yeah:

[Antiacus]

So 10 years from now when the game is no longer supported it becomes $50 bucks down the drain?

I still play classics like the campaign series (west front, east front, etc), Close Combat series, Age of Empires all the time. If they had something like that they would be unplayable.

This is a horrible precedent to set and since my laptop is constantly losing connection due to a funky built in wireless card i'm hosed.

Like another poster said, when traveling i like to play games. This would render it impossible.

I will think long & hard before buying this game despite being really excited about a true dynamic campaign as advertised. I was ready to pre-order thru subsim this week but that's definitely on hold.

lame Ubisoft. You will lose far more sales from this BS than from t33n h4ckz0rz who probably lack the attention span for SH5 anyway.

[Webster]

So 10 years from now when the game is no longer supported it becomes $50 bucks down the drain?

maybe, or maybe its 5 yrs or 2 yrs or it could be as little as just 8 months if its a big flop because nobody buys it with DRM.

all we have is the hope that when it happens (and it will at some pointin time) that UBI is nice enough to undo the DRM restrictions or you are SOL

so all you have is a hope and a wish that a company that already has yourmoney andhas long since spent it decides to give you the ability to keep playing it when they walk away from it or stop allowing its servers to be used for it.

[EAF274 Johan]

The problem is that if it autoupdates without asking (as other members of subsim said happens with other games) it will overwrite the moded files and the mod goes to the bin. Noone said if it will be so but noone denied it either so it is up to speculation for now.But it is better to prepare for worst and hope for the best.This is how Steam works, and I assume the Ubi system will be similar. It doesn't necessarily have to be a problem... Mods usually need to be updated when a game is patched.

It does become a problem, however, if for some reason you wish to stick with an older version of the game. Take a game like Empire Total War, where a nasty bug was introduced in the latest (and final) patch which made the game very unenjoyable for a lot of people. But you cannot roll back to a previous patch version, since Steam won't let you.

[Alienfresser]

I luv it. At last we have the same features in a singleplayer game that we love in mulitplayer games.

Like lag. Nothing better then missing a fatty oiler because he is warping around in the sea.
Dropped connection in the middle of a hot convoy raid. Waiting 60 minutes for the save-game beeing transfered to the "high"performance ubi-servers.