A Message To All of the Members of this Forum

[Das Gespenst]

I've been a member of this forum since 1997, since the very beginning. I started as a poster, moved (briefly) through modding, became a contributor, staff writer and finally a moderator. I have lived through the Fast Attack, 688i, Sub Command, Fleet Command, Dangerous Waters, Sh2, Sh3 and SH4 wars. As heated as the discussions got ( and yes... I was right in the middle there from time to time) the one thing that always struck me was that most of the members here were able to discuss matters with a level of respect for each other and the people who enable our hobby/passion.

Lately that seems to be missing.

So I would like to remind everyone that one of the things that makes this forum popular is the level of maturity and civility that is not common on many other forums. Whether you like a game, like SH5, or not; maybe you're worried about this or that feature, maybe you are unhappy or overjoyed with the way the game is shaping up: discussions here should be reasonable and intelligent. Say what you want, but let's avoid overblown rants and tantrums.

Please keep in this mind when you are discussing issues here.

Thanks

JCC





I agree with you sir. I have been browsing many forums for a long time and this one is one of the best! :salute:

[Ships-R-Us]

2 days ago I refused to view any SH5 forums for that reason. It made my blood boil and took up 26% of all posts. I am happy in the other forums learning constructive things such as politics.......
I "10-4" that John.

[capthelm]

totally agree here enough of the ranting trolling in here.

start to think positive on sh5..

[JScones]

You know, comments like "SH5 will be the most awesomeness thing ever" don't bother me. Comments like "SH5 will be the worst thing ever in the history of the universe" don't bother me (and I hate hyperbole - all credibility disappears whenever I read such comments). But what does bother me are "Your opinion is wrong and thus you are an idiot because whilst I haven't seen the game I know I am righter than you" comments...regardless of whether the maker of said comments is in the "positive" or "negative" camp.

Next to no-one here has seen the game, so how can anyone judge the game, either way to empower them enough to tell others that their opposing view is wrong?

Fine to opine...but when it comes at the expense of personally ridiculing others (and that includes "STFU and stop whining" comments), I think it's a bit rich.

[IanC]

totally agree here enough of the ranting trolling in here.

start to think positive on sh5..

I've realized in life some people actually get energy from negativity, while for most others, it just drains us.
The encouragement toward bashing a game that's not out yet and/or the spreading of silly rumors (like the no rough seas one) is a real head scratcher for me. :hmmm:
Like I said, some people just enjoy doing it I guess. :nope:

[SteamWake]

Good post JC ... will it help... well lets hope so.

[JScones]

I've realized in life some people actually get energy from negativity, while for most others, it just drains us.
The encouragement toward bashing a game that's not out yet and/or the spreading of silly rumors (like the no rough seas one) is a real head scratcher for me. :hmmm:
Like I said, some people just enjoy doing it I guess. :nope:
I don't think Webster was maliciously intending to spread a silly rumour about there being no rough seas. I think it was an honest belief. He may have misread, forgotten, who knows, but to imply that it was a deliberate attempt at spreading a silly rumour is a real head scratcher for me, IMHO of course. :nope:

[IanC]

I don't think Webster was maliciously intending to spread a silly rumour about there being no rough seas. I think it was an honest belief. He may have misread, forgotten, who knows, but to imply that it was a deliberate attempt at spreading a silly rumour is a real head scratcher for me, IMHO of course. :nope:

Actually I had you in mind, not Webster. Nice attempt to twist yet another post around (I've seen it many times from you). IMHO of course. ;)

[JScones]

Me???!!! Where I have I said it? :o

The only time I referred to it was post #15 here (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=160472)... in response to Webster's post #5!

Indeed, if you then read post #26 and #29 here (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1243027), you'll see I certainly wasn't spreading such a rumour!

Seems someone is seeing things through prejudiced glasses. ;):nope:

[IanC]

Right, #29 is a perfect example. Thanks for proving my point.

[JScones]

How do you get me spreading silly rumours from a comment like:

Well, Webster said he read somewhere something about rough seas not being modelled...but I guess unless he can produce a link, then it was never said. I couldn't find anything similar in the Q&A thread. :hmmm:

I'm not gonna speculate - like many people I assumed "Operation Drumbeat" to also mean the inclusion of Type IX U-boats...how wrong that was, LOL!Where did I say that there will be no rough seas? I said Webster mentioned it, and I couldn't find anything to confim it! In fact, my post was to down play his statement until he provided proof (if any existed)! I specifically said that I wasn't speculating!

Funny that you think my post is spreading rumours when Webster's original one:
i think you can forget anything past normal weather.

they said ther wont be any rough sea conditions in sh5 so that should mean no blizards but matbe just heavy snow is the limit


they did say cold weather effects your boat and crew so icing up of equipt. and such should be in the game
and subsequent one:
i cant find the link to it but in an interview a question was asked about if we could have trouble using the periscope in rough weather conditions and the answer was something to the effect of we dont have seas that get that rough in sh5.

so i have no firm specific statement on it but by the reference and no video of boats in rough seas (which is a big "wow man thats cool" factor that they would want to show) then i have to go with the implication of no rough stormy seas untill i see or hear something different about it.

it sounds impossible they would do that but so did the idea of a 1 sub sh5 game
goes uncommented by you.

Man, I know you have a beef with me, but geez, take the prejudice glasses off just for one second! :nope:

[IanC]

I stand corrected about your link, the post that proves my point is #26 not 29.
I think I've wasted just about enough time with you on this.

[Onkel Neal]

Back on topic, please.

[THE_MASK]

I cannot see any problem with general banter as long as its to do with SH5 and no personal insults. Where have you seen a problem ? Theres a lack of good info on SH5 so its only natural that people make stuff up if there is no real info .

[JScones]

Sigh, I still challenge you to find one post where I said, overtly and clearly, that there would be no rough seas modelled.

Seems you can make foundless claims, but struggle to back them up. :nope:

Sorry Neal, you'll see I didn't start the finger pointing here, and I certainly will defend false claims laid against me!

[TarJak]

You know, comments like "SH5 will be the most awesomeness thing ever" don't bother me. Comments like "SH5 will be the worst thing ever in the history of the universe" don't bother me (and I hate hyperbole - all credibility disappears whenever I read such comments). But what does bother me are "Your opinion is wrong and thus you are an idiot because whilst I haven't seen the game I know I am righter than you" comments...regardless of whether the maker of said comments is in the "positive" or "negative" camp.

Next to no-one here has seen the game, so how can anyone judge the game, either way to empower them enough to tell others that their opposing view is wrong?

Fine to opine...but when it comes at the expense of personally ridiculing others (and that includes "STFU and stop whining" comments), I think it's a bit rich.
Hear hear Jaeson. I'm not into making anything up eitehr as there is enough BS to go round already, however I will certainly opine away if there is a lack of concrete material pointing at any facts. This in fact is merely human nature.

[Reece]

It was actually me who said "No rough seas" referring to the snapshots and videos shown of SH5 so far, I haven't seen anyone say that there is none, only the Devs can say that, until it's released!:03:

[spiksy]

I am not pesimistic and im always hoping for the best but the Silent Hunter 5 "from its last informations" is total missmatch

it has a 5-6 major errors that cannot be excused or forgoten (like only VII type subs, campaign finish on 1943,)


why they just dont sell their project to ACTIVISION or INFINITY YARDS, OR BLIZZARD ENTERTAINAMENT.....or some company that knows hot to make the perfect game

activision and infinity made the special military FPS and they made it perfect since call of duty 2 in 2005

ubisoft didnt succeded in making the PERFECT u-boat simulation even in 2010 with SH5

i mean the game is comming out in 2010 and it looks like (engine, graphics etc.) it is from 2007

[karamazovnew]

Might I add to the topic of this thread, a huge increase in threads that really say the same thing over and over and over again.

"Hey, what about wolfpacks?! I'd love to see wolfpacks in the game, please comment..." We\ve been doing that since september! Just because we now get a new movie or screenshot every other week, doesn't mean we need to duplicate the entire forum. Can people please do a "Search" before deciding to open a new thread of "Will we play the americans in SH5?!".... We all repeat ourselves from time to time, repeat from time to time (intended) but some are taking it to new extremes :D

JC, your negativism is legendary, that's why we love you :shucks:, don't deny yourself that :D

[JScones]

I was just thinking the same thing, after reading yet another dynamic campaign thread. That blasted Med map is now burned into my brain...spelling errors and all!

[Andrew82]

I've been a member of this forum since 1997, since the very beginning. I started as a poster, moved (briefly) through modding, became a contributor, staff writer and finally a moderator. I have lived through the Fast Attack, 688i, Sub Command, Fleet Command, Dangerous Waters, Sh2, Sh3 and SH4 wars. As heated as the discussions got ( and yes... I was right in the middle there from time to time) the one thing that always struck me was that most of the members here were able to discuss matters with a level of respect for each other and the people who enable our hobby/passion.

Lately that seems to be missing.

So I would like to remind everyone that one of the things that makes this forum popular is the level of maturity and civility that is not common on many other forums. Whether you like a game, like SH5, or not; maybe you're worried about this or that feature, maybe you are unhappy or overjoyed with the way the game is shaping up: discussions here should be reasonable and intelligent. Say what you want, but let's avoid overblown rants and tantrums.

Please keep in this mind when you are discussing issues here.

Thanks

JCC


Good posting!!

This is by far the most mature and respectful forum I've ever been on, and I like it very much!

I have read all the SHV topics but never replied on one, we'll see the game it when it get there, until then don't complain. You can always stay with SHIV or SHIII, you are not obligated too buy SHV and it will certainly not ruin your life if it does not meet all of your expectations. Don't worry, be happy. There's a lot more sh*t going on in the world to worry about...

my 2 cents :salute:

[Wolfling04]

why they just dont sell their project to ACTIVISION or INFINITY YARDS, OR BLIZZARD ENTERTAINAMENT.....or some company that knows hot to make the perfect game

activision and infinity made the special military FPS and they made it perfect since call of duty 2 in 2005

ubisoft didnt succeded in making the PERFECT u-boat simulation even in 2010 with SH5

i mean the game is comming out in 2010 and it looks like (engine, graphics etc.) it is from 2007

I am sorry but MW2 is a pile of rubbish IMO, I am a Cod PC Gamer, also a co-leader of a CoD clan, and when IW announced there would be no dedicated server support for the game, I chose to never buy another IW game ever again.

But that aside, I have sat back and watched every post from "what i hate about SH5" and "what I love about SH5", I was not around for the forum post about SH4, Yes the campaign ending in 1943 does $uck, but game makers have a deadline and if they could not finish the 43-45yrs, before the release, then so be it, I KNOW (not officially) but deep down that either 1. Ubi will develop an add-on for the yrs43-45, maybe even type IX and II U-boats 2. We got some he11icious modders around here and if Ubi doesn't release an add-on then our modders will get us our 43-45 and our type IX and II's.

As for the graphics of SH5 they look AMAZING IMO.

I look at it like this, why bad mouth something that hasn't been release yet. People have put a lot of hard work into SH5, a game that does have a very niche market. How do you think your comments make the individuals making the game feel.

I know I wouldn't want to be making something for a very niche market and have people bad mouthing my work. Ok I'm done for now.

"Do unto others as you would have others do unto you":salute:

[Arclight]

I am not pesimistic and im always hoping for the best but the Silent Hunter 5 "from its last informations" is total missmatch

it has a 5-6 major errors that cannot be excused or forgoten (like only VII type subs, campaign finish on 1943,)


why they just dont sell their project to ACTIVISION or INFINITY YARDS, OR BLIZZARD ENTERTAINAMENT.....or some company that knows hot to make the perfect game

activision and infinity made the special military FPS and they made it perfect since call of duty 2 in 2005

ubisoft didnt succeded in making the PERFECT u-boat simulation even in 2010 with SH5

i mean the game is comming out in 2010 and it looks like (engine, graphics etc.) it is from 2007
I don't own a single Activision, IW or Blizzard game. But I do own several Ubi games. Imho your point depends on perspective: what you call perfect, I call half-decent (or even half-assed). ;)

And here I was thinking SH4 looked like a 2007 game. :doh: :lol:



(feel free to ignore; as far as I know none of those companies ever even attempted to develop a sim, therefore I don't think it's even a fair comparison)

[Safe-Keeper]

I support the OP wholeheartedly. As some of you know, I test and do some scattered mapping work and whatnot for the First Strike mod for 2142, and I know how much hard work and determination goes into a game, or for that matter any art project of this size.

Unfortunately, there's a bad culture, especially on the web, of not recognizing or understanding this effort at all and giving the artists absolutely no respect if they don't perform to par. Shows like Idol have just made this worse, in my eyes.

When you've never lifted a finger to make a mod or game in your life, it's easy to forget how much work goes into it and just sit there in your armchair throwing **** insults and complaints whenever your minions in the development business don't please you.

Like this one:
it has a 5-6 major errors that cannot be excused or forgoten (like only VII type subs, campaign finish on 1943,)It's one thing to disagree with a feature, but "major errors"? And what do you mean, that's "inexcusable", we asked for it! People have been screaming for full interiors since the SHIII days, many of them saying they'd be fine with a smaller selection of subs if only they had full interiors. Then SH5 finally does it... and that's wrong, too. They must be scratching their heads in Bucharest right now.

I mean, I know Subsim has a huge influence and all, but lately everyone here has been acting like they own the company or something, or that SH5 is being made only for Subsim members. "We asked for this and this and this, how dare you not give it to us!". Seriously, people, get your feet back down on the ground and recognize that Ubi has as much of a right to try new things as do the rest of us.

:slightly off-topic: i mean the game is comming out in 2010 and it looks like (engine, graphics etc.) it is from 2007Gameplay over graphics.
:/ot:

[Uber Gruber]

I'm a teapot.:O:

[The General]

[Rant!]

I'd like it if people didn't repost masses of photos when they quote a previous post. We all saw the photos, we don't need you posting the entire batch again! Just put the "Quote-Box" around the specific text you wanna reference, not the whole ****ing thing!

Thank you

[/Rant over]

[Safe-Keeper]

[Rant!]Strongly agree. Not to mention the people who quote a gargantuan post just to write a two lines long reply. It's just bad form.

[mookiemookie]

Might I add to the topic of this thread, a huge increase in threads that really say the same thing over and over and over again.


Good lord yes. I wish we could have a cleanup.

[longam]

Wow

[Reece]

[Rant!]

I'd like it if people didn't repost masses of photos when they quote a previous post. We all saw the photos, we don't need you posting the entire batch again! Just put the "Quote-Box" around the specific text you wanna reference, not the whole ****ing thing!

Thank you

[/Rant over]It's the grouch again!!:03:

[Lord Justice]

It's the grouch again!!:03:Its the mixer again!! :03:

[verte]

So I would like to remind everyone that one of the things that makes this forum popular is the level of maturity and civility that is not common on many other forums. Whether you like a game, like SH5, or not; maybe you're worried about this or that feature, maybe you are unhappy or overjoyed with the way the game is shaping up: discussions here should be reasonable and intelligent. Say what you want, but let's avoid overblown rants and tantrums.

Please keep in this mind when you are discussing issues here.

:up: The maturity of a large part of users of this forum is the first and most important reason of my joining the discussion. Personally I don't want to have any relationship with abysmally stupid behaviour of internet trolls and all this "lolchat" subculture. It's really nice to find here normal and serious people :salute:

[spiksy]

The main problem is that UBI dev. team always calculate their time of game release wrong.........they say in "march 2010" and what now "oops out of time, no time for IX, II and XXI type submarine, oops no time for finishizing campaign"


Only thing that worries me still is the fully realistic control of the sub which was very bad till now.....i mean on fully realistic options in sh4 and sh3 there was still enough to press one button to dive the sub...(what about opening main wents, stabilizing balast tanks on port and satrboard, what about dive planes control options....nothing, everything was fully automatic)


and type VIIC got borring, we know it since das boot film, i was always woundering about XXI interior and IXD2, gonna miss it so hard (and evading a pursuit from destroyer with XXI in 6-7 min diving do 240-250 m :DL)

and in sh3 campaign was borring till 1943 because convoys were easy to attack cuz destroyers were stupid dickheads (bad AL inteligence) and now the limit is 1943....totaly suck, but i hope the AL inteligence get more realistic

[McBeck]

The main problem is that UBI dev. team always calculate their time of game release wrong.........they say in "march 2010" and what now "oops out of time, no time for IX, II and XXI type submarine, oops no time for finishizing campaign"
Please refer to your source for this opinion.

[Safe-Keeper]

The main problem is that UBI dev. team always calculate their time of game release wrong.........they say in "march 2010" and what now "oops out of time, no time for IX, II and XXI type submarine, oops no time for finishizing campaign"That's one heck of an arrogant and presumptive statement to make. Like McBeck, I'd like to know what your sources were for this stance of yours that SH5's limited campaign and focus on the Type VII was due to the devs running out of time. As if anyone has time to program two years of dynamic campaign and the full interiors and coding of several subs in two months:shifty:.

In another thread I used Falcon 4.0 Allied Force as an analogy - you can only fly various F-16 variations, but these variations come with fully functional cockpits, where practically every single button, dial, switch and screen works as in reality (at least in the layman's eyes:O:). Do you consider the limitation to one fighter in this game, too, the result of a restricted time schedule? "Oh, bugger, out of time, and here we were planning to give you every aircraft in the NATO arsenal".

Edit:
Only thing that worries me still is the fully realistic control of the sub which was very bad till now.....i mean on fully realistic options in sh4 and sh3 there was still enough to press one button to dive the sub...(what about opening main wents, stabilizing balast tanks on port and satrboard, what about dive planes control options....nothing, everything was fully automatic)Oh god... you do realize that the reason they restricted themselves to one sub was to give that one sub an unparalelled level of detail?

Same with the campaigns... you called the '39-42 period boring, well, now that the devs are limited only to this period it'll receive more detail - more events, more challenges, more dynamics and scripted events, more overall fun. You can either have many, unrealistic subs, or you can have one or two highly detailed subs. You cannot have both. Same with campaigns.

[John Channing]

The main problem is that UBI dev. team always calculate their time of game release wrong.........they say in "march 2010" and what now "oops out of time, no time for IX, II and XXI type submarine, oops no time for finishizing campaign"


Only thing that worries me still is the fully realistic control of the sub which was very bad till now.....i mean on fully realistic options in sh4 and sh3 there was still enough to press one button to dive the sub...(what about opening main wents, stabilizing balast tanks on port and satrboard, what about dive planes control options....nothing, everything was fully automatic)


and type VIIC got borring, we know it since das boot film, i was always woundering about XXI interior and IXD2, gonna miss it so hard (and evading a pursuit from destroyer with XXI in 6-7 min diving do 240-250 m :DL)

and in sh3 campaign was borring till 1943 because convoys were easy to attack cuz destroyers were stupid dickheads (bad AL inteligence) and now the limit is 1943....totaly suck, but i hope the AL inteligence get more realistic


I would also like to ask what has any of this to do with my request? Surely there are 30 or 40 currently running threads where this might be a little more on topic?

Thanks

JCC

[Uber Gruber]

Personally I don't want to have any relationship with abysmally stupid behaviour of internet trolls and all this "lolchat" subculture. It's really nice to find here normal and serious people :salute:

Abysmally stupid internet troll seeks similar for lochats, nights out and maybe more....:03:

[Webster]

I've been a member of this forum since 1997, since the very beginning. I started as a poster, moved (briefly) through modding, became a contributor, staff writer and finally a moderator. I have lived through the Fast Attack, 688i, Sub Command, Fleet Command, Dangerous Waters, Sh2, Sh3 and SH4 wars. As heated as the discussions got ( and yes... I was right in the middle there from time to time) the one thing that always struck me was that most of the members here were able to discuss matters with a level of respect for each other and the people who enable our hobby/passion.

Lately that seems to be missing.

So I would like to remind everyone that one of the things that makes this forum popular is the level of maturity and civility that is not common on many other forums. Whether you like a game, like SH5, or not; maybe you're worried about this or that feature, maybe you are unhappy or overjoyed with the way the game is shaping up: discussions here should be reasonable and intelligent. Say what you want, but let's avoid overblown rants and tantrums.

Please keep in this mind when you are discussing issues here.

Thanks

JCC


Gentlemen, this is a serious subject from a well respected member.

show the man a little respect and please do not go off topic or highjack the thread by changing the discussion

thank you

[Uber Gruber]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I would like to take this opportunity to impose my conception of maturity on the world...I want you to be dull people...DULL!

"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Roaldl Dahl.

I suppose I tend to lean towards Roald's way of thinking here...

[John Channing]

Forgive me my nonsense, as I also forgive the nonsense of those that think they talk sense.


Robert Frost

[urfisch]

nice statement. i totally agree JC!

i like this forum also very much and take part in it since march 2005, the release of sh3. its nice to be part of a really grown up community.

and i wanna say: even if the progress on sh5 made me sad and angry...i am not insulting anyone. and when i might say "lol@devs" or something like that. its obvious, to see the game has its own concept, which does not fit most of our exspectations - and the devs leave just a lack of info, cant change anything, but present themselves as very much "passioned".i cant ignore this fact and the wave of crude, excessive optimism, some folks spread here. there is no reason to do so.

but, not to hijack your thread. this was just a statement for my personal derailment, which lead me to break some unwritten rules here.

:salute:

[Uber Gruber]

Good to see you're still snapping at the bit JC :yeah:

[AVGWarhawk]

The main problem is that UBI dev. team always calculate their time of game release wrong.........they say in "march 2010" and what now "oops out of time, no time for IX, II and XXI type submarine, oops no time for finishizing campaign"



Perhaps with SH4 but not with SH5. I believe all wil enjoy SH5!

[Wilcke]

Perhaps with SH4 but not with SH5. I believe all wil enjoy SH5!

Right you are AVG, plus all the posting activity builds buzz, hype and attracts more traffic to SubSim. In the advertising world its all good! Plus additional folks will go out and pre-order.

[AVGWarhawk]

To be sure, it looks like the main unsets are lack of u-boat varity and scripted campaign. Your actions or inaction create different outcomes. In other words, free roaming might look to be useless. I suspect it is not. After your directive is completed free roaming would be cool. SH4 had the same type deal but no effect as far as campaign or out come of the war.

[SteamWake]

Gentlemen, this is a serious subject from a well respected member.

show the man a little respect and please do not go off topic or highjack the thread by changing the discussion

thank you

Yes.. indeed..

Good luck with that. :salute:

[elanaiba]

To be sure, it looks like the main unsets are lack of u-boat varity and scripted campaign. Your actions or inaction create different outcomes. In other words, free roaming might look to be useless. I suspect it is not. After your directive is completed free roaming would be cool. SH4 had the same type deal but no effect as far as campaign or out come of the war.

Free roaming will be possible any ship sunk, even if unrelated to the currently assigned patrol objective, may count towards completion of campaign goals. And bring further developments.

[AVGWarhawk]

Free roaming will be possible any ship sunk, even if unrelated to the currently assigned patrol objective, may count towards completion of campaign goals. And bring further developments.


:yeah: Hey, no issue here with that. SH4 gave the objective. Objective completed one could ask for another objective or sail off to do whatever they wished. Sounds ok to me. :up:

[Brag]

Free roaming will be possible any ship sunk, even if unrelated to the currently assigned patrol objective, may count towards completion of campaign goals. And bring further developments.

I like this! :D

[AVGWarhawk]

I like this! :D

Do you realize new missions can be created just like Dan has implemented. Other operations can be created, free roam accomplished. Really folks what is the issue? I see operation drum beat coming and other mission not in the game but being created all the same by the community.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

I can't leave you guys alone for five minutes, can I. :O:

[Red Heat]

Stop whining and do something useful for the motherland...go patrol or something like that! :DL
Jocking! :-?

[prowler3]

DRM...'nuff said. Another game with intrusive software. Does anybody remember Starforce???

Not on my machine...not ever again. Once was MORE than enough.

[Kresge]

John, your message rings true for me. Subsim used to be one of the first sites I hit every single day, until the lead up to SHIV attracted so many new and highly opinionated users. I come around from time to time now, especially with SHV on the horizon, but I can't bear to read the forums much because of all the negativity and name calling that goes on now.

[FIREWALL]

[Rant!]

I'd like it if people didn't repost masses of photos when they quote a previous post. We all saw the photos, we don't need you posting the entire batch again! Just put the "Quote-Box" around the specific text you wanna reference, not the whole ****ing thing!

Thank you

[/Rant over]

Strongly agree. Not to mention the people who quote a gargantuan post just to write a two lines long reply. It's just bad form.


Could it be possible their not familiar with the posting features ?

[Sailor Steve]

That's why people write these things, so hopefully those not familiar will learn.

[Jimbuna]

I've been a member of this forum since 1997, since the very beginning. I started as a poster, moved (briefly) through modding, became a contributor, staff writer and finally a moderator. I have lived through the Fast Attack, 688i, Sub Command, Fleet Command, Dangerous Waters, Sh2, Sh3 and SH4 wars. As heated as the discussions got ( and yes... I was right in the middle there from time to time) the one thing that always struck me was that most of the members here were able to discuss matters with a level of respect for each other and the people who enable our hobby/passion.

Lately that seems to be missing.

So I would like to remind everyone that one of the things that makes this forum popular is the level of maturity and civility that is not common on many other forums. Whether you like a game, like SH5, or not; maybe you're worried about this or that feature, maybe you are unhappy or overjoyed with the way the game is shaping up: discussions here should be reasonable and intelligent. Say what you want, but let's avoid overblown rants and tantrums.

Please keep in this mind when you are discussing issues here.

Thanks

JCC

Great post JCC http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

Courtesy, civility and respect cost nothing and are always more gratifying when reciprocated.

[Vikinger]

This forum have allways been a good forum for me to get information and constructive feedback.

Its so much more than just a gaming forum.
There is so many people that have so much intresst and knowleadge about history,ww2 and submarines so i really enjoy to reading what people know and what they have to say.

Ive learned a lot from this forum about an intresst we all share.

For me its important to have a civil and mature conversation and on this forum i get that. We have most of the times treated each other whit respect, even if we sometimes dont agree whit each other, just like we do whit our real life friends.

Dont let this forum turn into one of thos many others flamming gaming forum.

If they cant behavie, deny them acces and direct them to the official gaming forum instead.

Vikinger.

[Ping Jockey]

Roger that!!!:up:

[the_belgian]

i entered the silent hunter 5 ubisoft-forum a few days ago and was slaped in the face the way there is no respect for eachother or the effords ubisoft makes.:rock:
so when i (a little over-)reacted to that and read the reactions i knew that i was on the wrong forum.
luckely i could recover my old nickname here(trough an old comicbook i made using SH IV pictures) so i'm glad to be under a more decent company now.
my nick there(ubisoft-forum) is "kapitan holmann" but don't worry about me getting out of control here:salute:

[Takeda Shingen]

Welcome. I hope our regulars will show restraint and respect.

[Brag]

Welcome, Belgian!
This is a great and mostly friendly forum. In this time of crisis and outrage things can get hot. I visited the Ubi forum and found its members just as outraged but the forum police there would not fit here at all.

[Onkel Neal]

Hey Belgian, thanks for the banner, looks very nice. :shucks:

[mookiemookie]

Hey Belgian, thanks for the banner, looks very nice. :shucks:

A little late to the party there, aren't you, fearless leader? :O::D

[Onkel Neal]

I was waiting for just the right moment :shucks: